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[LolaLei]

aldien wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Admittedly total paranoia, but that is exactly one of my fears.......really don't want to see another "forced" death of a LI. Haven't handled the last one well at all.......got the wine bottles as proof. Heh!

That has been my greatest fear. It's why I keep saying I hope they leave the Hawke/Fenris ending the way it is because there is way too much room to mess it up and I'll be buying the wine if they kill Fenris. Actually, that would be the end of the DA experience for me. How do you deal with it Cold? If it had been Fenris instead of Thane, I would just walk away to be honest in total disgust.

Ghost, you are scaring me David Gaider feeds on doing shocking cruel things to characters, I swear. Either way, I'm not buying DA3 until I know there is no shocking cruel ending for Fenris :/ I don't want to see it and I'll be asking carefully what happens so I can get the nice fluffy version first.

Aw don't say that! I'd probably cry my eyes out if they killed off any of the past companion's, even the ones I didn't bond with so much. And if they killed off Alistair heads would literally roll!

I personally feel that Darth Gaider 'n' co killing off past companions for shock value wouldn't feel as poignant from a storyline perspective in DA3 because we will be playing with a new protagonist and it just wouldn't pack the same punch as the Thane/Mordin/etc deaths did in ME3 simply because we'd played as Shepard throughout the course of 3 games, to which Shep had developed close relationships with these characters, so it felt emotionally more fufilling. But of course to the player it would majorly affect us, especially if it's our favourite past companion/love interest.

I think Fenris will be pretty safe from the chopping block, I can't think of any possible way that killing him off in DA3 would be relevant to the storyline and it certainly wouldn't add anything positive to it. I think Alistair will be safe too, since Steve Valentine hasn't been called back to voice Ali so presumably he won't be making a cameo... at least not a speaking one. Killing him off without giving him a decent send off would be an injustice and he's too important to all the novels/comics. So I'm pretty sure we're all safe. *Fingers crossed* Now all we have to do is hope they don't pull a "jacob" with any of the past love interests LOL!

My bets are on the fact that they'll kill off one of the main companions in DA3, probably which ever one they think will make the most impact with fans... probably Cullen, to which I'll scream the place down and cry into a glass of wine!

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 mai 2012 - 02:28 .

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

If you get his friendship/rivalry to full, he should come back a second time do say the whole, "I've been thinking of you" line. It happened to me, and I was rewarded with a scene that actually made me blush. Almost as much as the Alistair romance (I literally melted when he gave me the rose).

EDIT: To trigger it, just return to the Hawke Estate.

Yeah they were always either in 100% friendship/rivalry. I think it's just bugged.

[MissRedZelda]

Ok... but have you returned to the Hawke Estate since?

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Ok... but have you returned to the Hawke Estate since?

Yeah, he comes to visit but he never stays. Weirdly I can still flirt with him throughout the game though.

*Edit* The second one never triggers.

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 mai 2012 - 02:38 .

[MissRedZelda]

Well, crap. I can't think of anything else to help you. Your game must be bugged :-(

[aldien]

LolaLei wrote...

aldien wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Admittedly total paranoia, but that is exactly one of my fears.......really don't want to see another "forced" death of a LI. Haven't handled the last one well at all.......got the wine bottles as proof. Heh!

That has been my greatest fear. It's why I keep saying I hope they leave the Hawke/Fenris ending the way it is because there is way too much room to mess it up and I'll be buying the wine if they kill Fenris. Actually, that would be the end of the DA experience for me. How do you deal with it Cold? If it had been Fenris instead of Thane, I would just walk away to be honest in total disgust.

Ghost, you are scaring me David Gaider feeds on doing shocking cruel things to characters, I swear. Either way, I'm not buying DA3 until I know there is no shocking cruel ending for Fenris :/ I don't want to see it and I'll be asking carefully what happens so I can get the nice fluffy version first.

Aw don't say that! I'd probably cry my eyes out if they killed off any of the past companion's, even the ones I didn't bond with so much. And if they killed off Alistair heads would literally roll!

I personally feel that Darth Gaider 'n' co killing off past companions for shock value wouldn't feel as poignant from a storyline perspective in DA3 because we will be playing with a new protagonist and it just wouldn't pack the same punch as the Thane/Mordin/etc deaths did in ME3 simply because we'd played as Shepard throughout the course of 3 games, to which Shep had developed close relationships with these characters, so it felt emotionally more fufilling. But of course to the player it would majorly affect us, especially if it's our favourite past companion/love interest.

I think Fenris will be pretty safe from the chopping block, I can't think of any possible way that killing him off in DA3 would be relevant to the storyline and it certainly wouldn't add anything positive to it. I think Alistair will be safe too, since Steve Valentine hasn't been called back to voice Ali so presumably he won't be making a cameo... at least not a speaking one. Killing him off without giving him a decent send off would be an injustice and he's too important to all the novels/comics. So I'm pretty sure we're all safe. *Fingers crossed* Now all we have to do is hope they don't pull a "jacob" with any of the past love interests LOL!

My bets are on the fact that they'll kill off one of the main companions in DA3, probably which ever one they think will make the most impact with fans... probably Cullen, to which I'll scream the place down and cry into a glass of wine!

And if they killed off Alistair heads would literally roll!

First thing that came to mind was: Maker have mercy on Bioware if they kill Alistair. The Internet would grind to a halt from the volume of woe that would occur on this forum. I mean, that's like telling a child Santa Claus isn't real on Christmas Day and then punctuating the point by melting the candle with his face on it. Just wrong.

I personally feel that Darth Gaider 'n' co killing off past companions
for shock value wouldn't feel as poignant from a storyline perspective
in DA3 because we will be playing with a new protagonist and it just
wouldn't pack the same punch as the Thane/Mordin/etc deaths did in ME3
simply because we'd played as Shepard throughout the course of 3 games,
to which Shep had developed close relationships with these characters,
so it felt emotionally more fufilling. But of course to the player it
would majorly affect us, especially if it's our favourite past
companion/love interest.

Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, but I agree with your assessment. Plus, the shocking deaths are getting so passé. How about a strong finish and less of the pissing off fans for the sake of saying we shocked someone? Killing a character does not equal good story telling. It needs to make sense.

I have this weird feeling that David Gaider has an agenda when it comes to Fenris. He didn't like the way he turned out, too Twilight like he suggested. But my suspicions lean more towards Fenris getting ignored completely. I'd prefer that to be honest. Adding him into DA3 would always feel like for the hell of it without Hawke.

since Steve Valentine hasn't been called back to voice Ali so presumably he won't be making a cameo

How did you find that out? Know if Gideon Emery has been called back??

My bets are on the fact that they'll kill off one of the main companions
in DA3, probably which ever one they think will make the most impact
with fans.

Perhaps Varric or Isabela? Cullen I see as an LI in DA3. David Gaider loves him. Perhaps they kill Hawke.

So you are a Cullen fan? I have tried to fancy the man, I really have, but I can't get past his eyes. Something about his eyes bugs me. I mean, he is well built and I like his voice, but I think it might be the lack of story depth in DA2.

DId you get the option 'Don't Go' with Fenris? If you received that option in the dialogue wheel and you selected it and he still left without wall slamming you, then your game is bugged.

Modifié par aldien, 29 mai 2012 - 02:50 .

[MissRedZelda]

aldien wrote...

First thing that came to mind was: Maker have mercy on Bioware if they kill Alistair. The Internet would grind to a halt from the volume of woe that would occur on this forum. I mean, that's like telling a child Santa Claus isn't real on Christmas Day and then punctuating the point by melting the candle with his face on it. Just wrong.

This is probably a very bad time to say this, but your analogy made me LOL XD. But I agree, killing off Alistair would be like Bioware writing their own death sentence. The fan backlash would be immense, to say the least.

I have one question for Bioware: why do they feel the need to write in such bittersweet endings? I understand that both DA and ME are aiming for realism by portraying the costs of war and fighting, but these are video games - as in, an escape from reality. However, I'm not objecting to writing them in. I just hate how they're scripted, and these's no way of getting around them (ME3 ending, I'm looking at you).

Kill Hawke?

No. No no no no no no, effe no. Oh, and not Varric either. He's too awesome to die.

[LolaLei]

aldien : I've been following all the DA:O and DA2 companion VA's twitters and have been checking in on them regularly to see if they let anything slip. A fan asked Steve if he would be coming back to do any voice appearances in DA3 and he said: "Nope, just DA:O, A and a little bit in DA2." - although I think it was a general question about doing DA3 voices, it included Alistair. It also seems that Anders will at least be making a cameo because his voice actor Adam Howden made a very subtle reference to being back in the SIDEuk studio (where Bioware record the VA's lines if they live in England.) This was posted at the same time as Gaider tweeted that he was listening to live VA auditions (obviously for DA3.)

So although it's all really obscure stuff, it's enough to get a rough idea of whats going on. Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol. There's been no word from Greg Ellis (Cullen's VA) either.

Aaaaanyway, yeah I'm a Cullen fan. The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters... they have a very glassy look which can be a little odd at times. Mostly I'm just glad they prettied him up in DA2!

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 mai 2012 - 03:06 .

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

aldien wrote...

First thing that came to mind was: Maker have mercy on Bioware if they kill Alistair. The Internet would grind to a halt from the volume of woe that would occur on this forum. I mean, that's like telling a child Santa Claus isn't real on Christmas Day and then punctuating the point by melting the candle with his face on it. Just wrong.

This is probably a very bad time to say this, but your analogy made me LOL XD. But I agree, killing off Alistair would be like Bioware writing their own death sentence. The fan backlash would be immense, to say the least.

I have one question for Bioware: why do they feel the need to write in such bittersweet endings? I understand that both DA and ME are aiming for realism by portraying the costs of war and fighting, but these are video games - as in, an escape from reality. However, I'm not objecting to writing them in. I just hate how they're scripted, and these's no way of getting around them (ME3 ending, I'm looking at you).

Kill Hawke?

No. No no no no no no, effe no. Oh, and not Varric either. He's too awesome to die.

I ****ing hated the ME3 "endings" with a passion! Don't get me wrong, a bittersweet/bad ending is a good thing, but in a game made by Bioware there should be multiple endings in which we can have a "good" ending if we want. I mean, we got one in DA:O with the dark ritual, even though it caused a few problems everyone came out unscathed and relatively happy.

*Edit* I think the reason DA2 had a set ending was simply because it was the second game that basically served only as the set up to DA3.

Modifié par LolaLei, 29 mai 2012 - 03:09 .

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda wrote...

aldien wrote...

First thing that came to mind was: Maker have mercy on Bioware if they kill Alistair. The Internet would grind to a halt from the volume of woe that would occur on this forum. I mean, that's like telling a child Santa Claus isn't real on Christmas Day and then punctuating the point by melting the candle with his face on it. Just wrong.

This is probably a very bad time to say this, but your analogy made me LOL XD. But I agree, killing off Alistair would be like Bioware writing their own death sentence. The fan backlash would be immense, to say the least.

I have one question for Bioware: why do they feel the need to write in such bittersweet endings? I understand that both DA and ME are aiming for realism by portraying the costs of war and fighting, but these are video games - as in, an escape from reality. However, I'm not objecting to writing them in. I just hate how they're scripted, and these's no way of getting around them (ME3 ending, I'm looking at you).

Kill Hawke?

No. No no no no no no, effe no. Oh, and not Varric either. He's too awesome to die.

There should be laws against killing Varric. They better not harm a single hair on his glorious chest!

[CuriousArtemis]

I really liked the ME3 ending, but I also have not played ME1 and ME2 yet. So long as DA3's ending makes me burst with emotion, whether that's joy or sorrow, I'll be very grateful to BW. And also let me point out that I liked DA2's ending better than DA:O; DA2 had that fantastically tense stand-off between Cullen and the knights and Hawke and his friends (I always supported the mages). Then Cullen slowly backs off, the knights follow, and Hawke and his pals turn around and walk out like bad asses. But the music assures us that this is not the end. It was eerie and shocking and left me wanting more (i.e. DA3).

Now the stupid thing with Cassandra and Leliana, not so much.

And DA:O was anti-climactic for me; just my Warden jogging around and chit-chatting with his friends. Then the scene I was waiting for, the Warden going out to visit the adoring crowds, it doesn't even occur. The guard is like, Are you ready to greet your fans? or something. And then it never happens. LAME!

[MissRedZelda]

To a casual gamer who just played ME3, I guess the endings don't cause the same emotions as those who have been loyal fans from the start. To us fans, the "endings" feel cheap and lazy, and just totally go against the themes that the series has been running with since the very beginning. Namely, beating the odds, making our own decisions, nothing is impossible, and that ORGANICS AND SYNTHETICS CAN CO-EXIST, YOU POMPOUS, GLOWY BRAT, GODDAMMIT!!!

.... Sorry, I just reeeeeeeally hate the "endings". I ended the 300 year long war between the Quarians and Geth. Your argument in invalid, Godchild brat.

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 29 mai 2012 - 03:21 .

[LolaLei]

Yeah I was expecting a cinematic of the crowd going wild too, someone should mod that, I'm actually surprised it hasn't been done already.

Funnily enough I'm also a Mage supporter even though I'd totally have Cullen as a companion/LI in DA3.

[LolaLei]

MissRedZelda: Exactly! I was totally part of the RetakeME3 movement, donated and everything! I hope this extended cut DLC improves things... And I wanna see my Elcor back canons in action dammit!

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

Funnily enough I'm also a Mage supporter even though I'd totally have Cullen as a companion/LI in DA3.

I love Cullen, too <3 I think he's a smart guy, and he's not without a heart.  Now in DA:O he was a bit one dimmensional, but he really came to life in DA2.  I especially liked his response to Aveline when she and Hawke approach him about the accusations that have been laid against her.  I forget his exact words, but he basically tells her that he truly believes she is innocent, but that he has to follow the accusations through.  I totally believed that HE believed in her, but it was such a great instance of him being caught between what he's been told is right (the templars, basically) and what he FEELS and KNOWS is right.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 29 mai 2012 - 03:30 .

[aldien]

LolaLei wrote...

aldien : I've been following all the DA:O and DA2 companion VA's twitters and have been checking in on them regularly to see if they let anything slip. A fan asked Steve if he would be coming back to do any voice appearances in DA3 and he said: "Nope, just DA:O, A and a little bit in DA2." - although I think it was a general question about doing DA3 voices, it included Alistair. It also seems that Anders will at least be making a cameo because his voice actor Adam Howden made a very subtle reference to being back in the SIDEuk studio (where Bioware record the VA's lines if they live in England.) This was posted at the same time as Gaider tweeted that he was listening to live VA auditions (obviously for DA3.)

So although it's all really obscure stuff, it's enough to get a rough idea of whats going on. Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol. There's been no word from Greg Ellis (Cullen's VA) either.

Aaaaanyway, yeah I'm a Cullen fan. The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters... they have a very glassy look which can be a little odd at times. Mostly I'm just glad they prettied him up in DA2!

Where there is Anders there is most likely, probably, perhaps, Hawke. But... what if you killed Anders 92 times like I did? How does that work? Then again, David Gaider did suggest that just because Anders is dead that Justice was a whole different matter entirely. Hmmmm

Adam Howden seems to be more popular than his computer counterpart

Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol.

There are no puppy eyes.

The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters

True, very true, though Cullen looks like he needs a good nap. He just looks tired. I guess that goes along with stressed.

[MissRedZelda]

And Jack and her students Biotic-blasting everything in their path. I really want to see Jack go back to tearing mechs apart with her Vanguard skills like she did in her recruitment mission.

Honestly, I want see my war assets in action. I worked hard for them :-(

Oh, and Godchild is a fan nickname for the Catalyst. I was not reffering to you, moto. Just in case I accidently insulted you.

aldien wrote...

There are no puppy eyes.

Oh, Fenris. You're so tsudere ;-)

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 29 mai 2012 - 04:03 .

[CuriousArtemis]

 He looks so lovely here, minus the string around his neck of course...


By caiterhe

[LolaLei]

aldien wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

aldien : I've been following all the DA:O and DA2 companion VA's twitters and have been checking in on them regularly to see if they let anything slip. A fan asked Steve if he would be coming back to do any voice appearances in DA3 and he said: "Nope, just DA:O, A and a little bit in DA2." - although I think it was a general question about doing DA3 voices, it included Alistair. It also seems that Anders will at least be making a cameo because his voice actor Adam Howden made a very subtle reference to being back in the SIDEuk studio (where Bioware record the VA's lines if they live in England.) This was posted at the same time as Gaider tweeted that he was listening to live VA auditions (obviously for DA3.)

So although it's all really obscure stuff, it's enough to get a rough idea of whats going on. Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol. There's been no word from Greg Ellis (Cullen's VA) either.

Aaaaanyway, yeah I'm a Cullen fan. The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters... they have a very glassy look which can be a little odd at times. Mostly I'm just glad they prettied him up in DA2!

Where there is Anders there is most likely, probably, perhaps, Hawke. But... what if you killed Anders 92 times like I did? How does that work? Then again, David Gaider did suggest that just because Anders is dead that Justice was a whole different matter entirely. Hmmmm

Adam Howden seems to be more popular than his computer counterpart

Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol.

There are no puppy eyes.

The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters

True, very true, though Cullen looks like he needs a good nap. He just looks tired. I guess that goes along with stressed.

OH you mean the dark circles around his eyes, I think thats down to lyrium use, all the Templars seem to have them... especially Samson.

I think Anders will probably show up as a cameo if he's alive (maybe leading the rebellion or something like that) and if you killed him then some generic character would show up (like in ME3 if Jack died in ME2 you get some random dude in her place.)

[aldien]

LolaLei wrote...

aldien wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

aldien : I've been following all the DA:O and DA2 companion VA's twitters and have been checking in on them regularly to see if they let anything slip. A fan asked Steve if he would be coming back to do any voice appearances in DA3 and he said: "Nope, just DA:O, A and a little bit in DA2." - although I think it was a general question about doing DA3 voices, it included Alistair. It also seems that Anders will at least be making a cameo because his voice actor Adam Howden made a very subtle reference to being back in the SIDEuk studio (where Bioware record the VA's lines if they live in England.) This was posted at the same time as Gaider tweeted that he was listening to live VA auditions (obviously for DA3.)

So although it's all really obscure stuff, it's enough to get a rough idea of whats going on. Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol. There's been no word from Greg Ellis (Cullen's VA) either.

Aaaaanyway, yeah I'm a Cullen fan. The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters... they have a very glassy look which can be a little odd at times. Mostly I'm just glad they prettied him up in DA2!

Where there is Anders there is most likely, probably, perhaps, Hawke. But... what if you killed Anders 92 times like I did? How does that work? Then again, David Gaider did suggest that just because Anders is dead that Justice was a whole different matter entirely. Hmmmm

Adam Howden seems to be more popular than his computer counterpart

Gideon has been silent about it so far, instead talking about his puppy and random movies he's been watching lol.

There are no puppy eyes.

The eyes are a little off but I've found that with all the characters

True, very true, though Cullen looks like he needs a good nap. He just looks tired. I guess that goes along with stressed.

OH you mean the dark circles around his eyes, I think thats down to lyrium use, all the Templars seem to have them... especially Samson.

I think Anders will probably show up as a cameo if he's alive (maybe leading the rebellion or something like that) and if you killed him then some generic character would show up (like in ME3 if Jack died in ME2 you get some random dude in her place.)

Oh, Fenris. You're so tsudere ;-)

Never a truer statement written.


That makes sense. Good way to bring back certain companions without adding the old protagonist. Forgot about the lyrium use.

Ah goody A new and interesting way to kill Anders. My day is complete

[Dwarva]

Hmm just had an odd thing with Fenris in my new playthrough. I've rivaled him the entire playthrough and (am pretty sure...) chosen all the flirt options. After A Bitter Pill I said he didn't have to go and he just said 'It would be better for both of us if I did'. And left. Cue this face:

I had slept with Isabela but said to her that it was just for fun and there were no feelings involved.

Where did I go wrong? If I want to sleep with them both do I need to sleep with Fenris first?

Modifié par Staarbux, 29 mai 2012 - 01:23 .

[LolaLei]

I think it's cos you shagged someone before him lol.

[Dwarva]

And now I've gone back to the beginning of Act 2, haven't slept with Isabela and when we get back to the mansion the conversation is exactly the same. So it's nothing to do with sleeping with Isabela first...

Edit: It's definitely bugged somehow. I got the same conversation despite going right back to the beginning of Act 2. So I thought 'bugger it, lets go back and shag Isabela' but when I went to the Hanged Man I didn't get the normal options. So despite going back to before Hawke slept with her, the game still thinks I already did. Grrr to multiple romance playthroughs. <_<

Modifié par Staarbux, 29 mai 2012 - 02:08 .

[Dutchess]

Did you still flirt with Isabela and have her show up at your mansion? It has been said that even that can break Fenris' romance, even when you turn her down and don't sleep with her.

[LolaLei]

He's a harsh mistress!