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[MissRedZelda]

Has DA ever explained why the elves were enslaved and now hated? I can see where the discrimination against mages comes from. But elves? It seems like they're second class citizen simply due to the fact that they're different.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Red its stated in the first game the eleves were head hanchos of Thedas, then grew all uppity that Tevinter rolled in like with some serious long ear hate, had a war with blood magic, won, decimated their lands and turned em all into slaves.

Then thay got screwed over again later on with the Chantry, who burned their second, making them go into heading that later formed the dalish. In short the elves are every minority, native, 3rd world country that got screwed over royally.

[CuriousArtemis]

People don't need a reason to hate each other, although they will invent them. White people enslaved black people and then made up s-h-i-t about black people to make themselves feel better about it. I'm sure humans in Thedas did/do the same to elves.

Don't they talk about Tevinter defeating the elves in banter when traveling to Sundermount sometimes?

[MissRedZelda]

Moto, please don't bring real world racism into this discussion. It's only going to start an argument. As for humans making that up, you might be right or you might not. Unless it's been officially stated by the writers. But the elves were once a strong and mighty people. For all you know, they have once been as crule and upity as the humans.

Ghost Nappa, when was this stated. I might have missed it. Gosh, there's so much history and lore in the DA universe!

[berelinde]

Wait, what?

Moto is saying that humans invented reasons to hate on elves. She's implying that it's as uncool as real world people inventing reasons to hate on another group with differing levels of melanin. She's saying that hate=bad. Isn't that what we're all saying?

[FieryDove]

motomotogirl wrote...

People don't need a reason to hate each other, although they will invent them. White people enslaved black people and then made up s-h-i-t about black people to make themselves feel better about it.

Uh huh keep telling yourself that and the world, if you do it enough it all becomes true right? Really this has no place here.

[dracuella]

berelinde wrote...

Wait, what?

Moto is saying that humans invented reasons to hate on elves. She's implying that it's as uncool as real world people inventing reasons to hate on another group with differing levels of melanin. She's saying that hate=bad. Isn't that what we're all saying?

Yeah, and in this case I'm thinking greed and envy were some of the reasons. Possibly ignorance. But in the case of the Tevinters definitely greed, the lust for power and all the magicks that the Elves at that point possessed. Somehow I find this reason more.. I wouldn't say 'better' but more tangible and understandable than the Chantry's Exhalted March that wasn't so much a proper reason but more an excuse.

From Wikia (http://dragonage.wik...ainst_the_Dales):
"The taking of the Dales was a struggle with several possible causes. The Dalish claim it was simple racist persecution. The Chantry holds that it was triggered by the elves practicing dark magic and offering human sacrifices to their pagan gods. The human settlements near the Dales believe it was set by a series of Dalish raids on their towns while many historians say that it was due to the Dales refusing to help humanity during the Second Blight."

We may only speculate but I'm certain it's a mix of several reasons. Payback for not helping during the blight, ignorance and prejudice and possibly a state of unrest brought on by "we attack you, you attack back, we do this for years and everybody forgets why it started".

We sure picked a dark place to go to when we wish to escape reality, eh boys and girls? 

Edit: I suck at rich text editors, apparently

Modifié par dracuella, 04 juin 2012 - 05:55 .

[slashthedragon]

motomotogirl wrote...

People don't need a reason to hate each other, although they will invent them. White people enslaved black people and then made up s-h-i-t about black people to make themselves feel better about it. I'm sure humans in Thedas did/do the same to elves.

Don't they talk about Tevinter defeating the elves in banter when traveling to Sundermount sometimes?

Although what you said might certainly be true about white/black racial issues, it is interesting to note that a main source of this was due to rich vs poor.  Blacks and whites who were poor were joining together to fight the rich.  The rich (all white) saw this and basically started racial fallacies among the poor, so that the poor whites would not want to still work together with the poor blacks.  Money and greed ruin EVERYTHING.

[dracuella]

FieryDove wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

People don't need a reason to hate each other, although they will invent them. White people enslaved black people and then made up s-h-i-t about black people to make themselves feel better about it.

Uh huh keep telling yourself that and the world, if you do it enough it all becomes true right? Really this has no place here.

Please let's keep it civil, there's no need to get personal. And as far as slavery goes, I'm sure we all agree that white people did in fact raid the African coast, enslave Africans and kidnap them back to wherever the white people came from and made them work for them. I've seen one of the actual books where the registration of trade with such slaves was written. Yes, we did it, too, in Europe. We just didn't bring them home, we took them to the colonies we occupied at the time (in the case of Denmark, the island of Saint Thomas if anyone is interested).

So please, let's end it here.

[MissRedZelda]

Yes, please. Video games are a form of escapism. No real world examples, please. I don't want this thread to be closed.

Anyway, anyone got any songs they think suit Fenris or Hawke and Fenris?

[aldien]

Damn what happened here? Someone asked me if I had looked at the forum lately and I said no, I gave my bye byes to everyone. So they said go look at it, and I did, and I was like, what the...? And then he was all like yeah, and then I was all like did not and then we were all like yeah.

So.... Ghost are you still around? Cold? Ren? Anyone?

I hate to see the thread end on this note if indeed it is on its last legs, which would be incredibly sad

Let's at least move it on to a happy note.

Songs: Almost any song by Adele. She seems to sum up their relationship beautifully in her lyrics. Rolling in the Deep says it all when it comes to Hawke's hurt after that night. Show you my love (think that is the title) I always imagine Hawke singing it to Fenris. Awwwww it's so sweet. And so on.

Coldwetnost: If they bring him back in a cameo for DA3 he better look damn good. I expect him to have put on a little bit of weight from all those pies Hawke has been feeding him and he better have some nice new armor, preferably tight in the rear. Fenris with a bit of puppy fat to go with his puppy eyes would just be adorable. He also better be telling everyone how much in love he is and that he just wants to go back to his Hawke or else!

I have a question:

What kind of conversation could you envision Malcolm Hawke and Fenris having, if Malcolm was still alive? This is research for a story I am writing. Pwease help.

Everyone kiss and make up damn it.

Modifié par aldien, 04 juin 2012 - 06:43 .

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

Gervaise wrote...

On the Varania question, I've often wondered if she was really a mage or if Denarius made the sort of offer to her that the Pride Demon did to Fenris in the Fade. After all would she know any different? She had either witnessed or been told what Denarius did to her brother which made him unique - why wouldn't she think that he could do something similar for her?
If she was a mage, then it seems odd that she did nothing to defend herself from Fenris, which would suggest she hadn't advanced much as a mage in the time since she was freed. According to Chantry propaganda, mage children are taken from their parents in Tevinter in much the same way that they are in the rest of Thedas. If true, then the only difference is that it is the Magisters who control how those children are trained. This would make sense as they would want to avoid the possibility of rebellion against their rule. Fenris says that power in Tevinter lies in the hands of a nobility that can trace their magical ancestry back to the time of the Thedas wide Imperium. I've always felt that even if Varania was a mage, the suggestion she could ever be a Magister was an empty promise as these noble human families would never allow an elf (however talented) to become one of them. She would be tolerated as an apprentice or junior mage but never more than that.

Good points, thank you. Although it sounds odd to me Varania would actually not be a mage. Becoming a magister's apprentice would obviously require magical talent, and if she thought she could simply be given that power, that would make her very unknowning for an Imperial citizen. Even a lowly servant would know you are born with magic, wouldn't she?
I had the idea the discrimination against elves with magic might be less strong in Tevinter, because magical power is a greater determinant for power there. I know I've read that he magisters suppress both ordinary people and other mages, so being a mage is no guarantee for a life of wealth, but I thought it might be possible for a very talented mage to fight his way into the senate. It was possible in the Roman senate, although very unlikely, because indeed most senators were nobles. 

But I guess Danarius indeed lied when he promised Varania to make her his apprentice. For the next update of my fic I am writing a chapter from Danarius' point of view, so that's part of the reason why I asked. I was also just curious about it, because it always made me wonder.

Varania was delusional, in my opinion, actually I think she felt entitled. It leads me to strongly believe that Leto promised to do whatever was necessary to look after his mother and sister. Varania's reaction in the Hanged Man, if you don't kill her, seems to suggest that perhaps Leto would have returned with Danarius if it meant she would get a chance at a better life. Was he really that sacrificial? And if he was, what a b itch. It also shows that part of Leto still very much exists in Fenris's personality, in my opinion. He's like one of those chocolates that has a hard exterior but is all gooey inside.

[CuriousArtemis]

I enjoy drawing comparisons between reality and fictional worlds; for me it grounds the fictional world and well, what can I say; I'm a scholar; it's what we do

slashthedragon wrote...

Although what you said might certainly be true about white/black racial issues, it is interesting to note that a main source of this was due to rich vs poor. Blacks and whites who were poor were joining together to fight the rich. The rich (all white) saw this and basically started racial fallacies among the poor, so that the poor whites would not want to still work together with the poor blacks. Money and greed ruin EVERYTHING.

Oh my, is this something I'm unfamiliar with. Is this what happened in early America (before it was America)? I know that the first Africans to come to America were not necessarily slaves (right?). It's been a few years since I've taught early American lit and I probably need a refresher course ^///^. I do like teaching that course because I find a lot of students don't really comprehend how bad slavery was; they think it was just about working without not being paid... they didn't think about what kind of work, about women being raped, about people losing their culture and religion, families being ripped apart, etc... sooo many parallels between that and what happened to the elves, and even what happened to Fenris in particular.

Fenris was torn from his family; his memories were erased, but also we see with what scorn he holds the Dalish, who are trying to retain and regain their culture. Merrill can't understand why Fenris has no interest in his own culture/people; he replies scornfully, they aren't MY people (or some such thing). That's how strongly human culture has worked to wipe out elven culture; some of the elves themselves do not even care anymore and do not consider Dalish culture their own.

So the parallels are striking and I think it's interesting and important to talk about them. Video games don't have to be about (just) escapism, but they can help us think a little more about our own world and how it works, how things came to be, and how those things continue to effect us (such as race relations today and not just 300 years ago).

If you guys haven't read what Thomas Jefferson said about blacks (and he was not just talking about slaves, or Africans, he was talking about dark-skinned people specifically), damn, you really need to. It is sick and disgusting and I often thinking of that particular writing of his when thinking about the Thedas elves.

Also the parallel between human men liking elven women, reminds me of how many white slave owners raped female slaves...

So sad and I don't think we should ever forget and I love that BW worked this into their game ... for all their claim that slavery in Thedas is based on Ancient Greece. Pffft, sure

[berelinde]

aldien wrote...

renjility wrote...

Gervaise wrote...

On the Varania question, I've often wondered if she was really a mage or if Denarius made the sort of offer to her that the Pride Demon did to Fenris in the Fade. After all would she know any different? She had either witnessed or been told what Denarius did to her brother which made him unique - why wouldn't she think that he could do something similar for her?
If she was a mage, then it seems odd that she did nothing to defend herself from Fenris, which would suggest she hadn't advanced much as a mage in the time since she was freed. According to Chantry propaganda, mage children are taken from their parents in Tevinter in much the same way that they are in the rest of Thedas. If true, then the only difference is that it is the Magisters who control how those children are trained. This would make sense as they would want to avoid the possibility of rebellion against their rule. Fenris says that power in Tevinter lies in the hands of a nobility that can trace their magical ancestry back to the time of the Thedas wide Imperium. I've always felt that even if Varania was a mage, the suggestion she could ever be a Magister was an empty promise as these noble human families would never allow an elf (however talented) to become one of them. She would be tolerated as an apprentice or junior mage but never more than that.

Good points, thank you. Although it sounds odd to me Varania would actually not be a mage. Becoming a magister's apprentice would obviously require magical talent, and if she thought she could simply be given that power, that would make her very unknowning for an Imperial citizen. Even a lowly servant would know you are born with magic, wouldn't she?
I had the idea the discrimination against elves with magic might be less strong in Tevinter, because magical power is a greater determinant for power there. I know I've read that he magisters suppress both ordinary people and other mages, so being a mage is no guarantee for a life of wealth, but I thought it might be possible for a very talented mage to fight his way into the senate. It was possible in the Roman senate, although very unlikely, because indeed most senators were nobles. 

But I guess Danarius indeed lied when he promised Varania to make her his apprentice. For the next update of my fic I am writing a chapter from Danarius' point of view, so that's part of the reason why I asked. I was also just curious about it, because it always made me wonder.

Varania was delusional, in my opinion, actually I think she felt entitled. It leads me to strongly believe that Leto promised to do whatever was necessary to look after his mother and sister. Varania's reaction in the Hanged Man, if you don't kill her, seems to suggest that perhaps Leto would have returned with Danarius if it meant she would get a chance at a better life. Was he really that sacrificial? And if he was, what a b itch. It also shows that part of Leto still very much exists in Fenris's personality, in my opinion. He's like one of those chocolates that has a hard exterior but is all gooey inside.

Interesting points. I'm inclined to think Varania was a mage, if only because of Anders's line there "Your sister's a mage? You bloody hypocrite!" I'm inclined to think that her power might be limited, though, and she is desperate for Danarius's help in augmenting her powers.

It might also be worth thinking about whether Fenris himself was a (low-powered) mage before he received his markings. I may be mis-remembering, but didn't his pre-game publicity say the his magic was ripped from him when the lyrium was embedded in his skin? If so, Danarius may have been trying to help Fenris stay alive. A weak mage has a very short life expectancy in Tevinter, but a lyrium-enhanced warrior is a different thing entirely. It would not be too much of a stretch. We don't know much about the Rite of Tranquility, but part of it involves branding the subject's forehead with lyrium. Maybe if it's applied as a tattoo instead of with heat and maybe if it isn't applied above the ears, it disrupts/reroutes magical ability while leaving the subject's connection to the Fade (emotions and dreams) intact. That last bit was nothing more than wild speculation on my part. Ramblings of the inadequately caffeinated.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Berelide thats like a better look into a warped test into making Arcane warriors again. I mean they were part of the order int he Brecillian Forest in Origins and the only surviving member was rapped, soul stone style, for the warden to find and part said info to the only two mages present....or future mages who were interested.
I mean it would make eerie sense since Fenris is a powerhouse with his martial skill but still has sucky health, yet moves across the battle...hmmm I am highly interested in this subject

@aldien...trust me Im here, just got sidetracked with a couple art projects and paperwork for classes.

[aldien]

berelinde wrote...

aldien wrote...

renjility wrote...

Gervaise wrote...

On the Varania question, I've often wondered if she was really a mage or if Denarius made the sort of offer to her that the Pride Demon did to Fenris in the Fade. After all would she know any different? She had either witnessed or been told what Denarius did to her brother which made him unique - why wouldn't she think that he could do something similar for her?
If she was a mage, then it seems odd that she did nothing to defend herself from Fenris, which would suggest she hadn't advanced much as a mage in the time since she was freed. According to Chantry propaganda, mage children are taken from their parents in Tevinter in much the same way that they are in the rest of Thedas. If true, then the only difference is that it is the Magisters who control how those children are trained. This would make sense as they would want to avoid the possibility of rebellion against their rule. Fenris says that power in Tevinter lies in the hands of a nobility that can trace their magical ancestry back to the time of the Thedas wide Imperium. I've always felt that even if Varania was a mage, the suggestion she could ever be a Magister was an empty promise as these noble human families would never allow an elf (however talented) to become one of them. She would be tolerated as an apprentice or junior mage but never more than that.

Good points, thank you. Although it sounds odd to me Varania would actually not be a mage. Becoming a magister's apprentice would obviously require magical talent, and if she thought she could simply be given that power, that would make her very unknowning for an Imperial citizen. Even a lowly servant would know you are born with magic, wouldn't she?
I had the idea the discrimination against elves with magic might be less strong in Tevinter, because magical power is a greater determinant for power there. I know I've read that he magisters suppress both ordinary people and other mages, so being a mage is no guarantee for a life of wealth, but I thought it might be possible for a very talented mage to fight his way into the senate. It was possible in the Roman senate, although very unlikely, because indeed most senators were nobles. 

But I guess Danarius indeed lied when he promised Varania to make her his apprentice. For the next update of my fic I am writing a chapter from Danarius' point of view, so that's part of the reason why I asked. I was also just curious about it, because it always made me wonder.

Varania was delusional, in my opinion, actually I think she felt entitled. It leads me to strongly believe that Leto promised to do whatever was necessary to look after his mother and sister. Varania's reaction in the Hanged Man, if you don't kill her, seems to suggest that perhaps Leto would have returned with Danarius if it meant she would get a chance at a better life. Was he really that sacrificial? And if he was, what a b itch. It also shows that part of Leto still very much exists in Fenris's personality, in my opinion. He's like one of those chocolates that has a hard exterior but is all gooey inside.

Interesting points. I'm inclined to think Varania was a mage, if only because of Anders's line there "Your sister's a mage? You bloody hypocrite!" I'm inclined to think that her power might be limited, though, and she is desperate for Danarius's help in augmenting her powers.

It might also be worth thinking about whether Fenris himself was a (low-powered) mage before he received his markings. I may be mis-remembering, but didn't his pre-game publicity say the his magic was ripped from him when the lyrium was embedded in his skin? If so, Danarius may have been trying to help Fenris stay alive. A weak mage has a very short life expectancy in Tevinter, but a lyrium-enhanced warrior is a different thing entirely. It would not be too much of a stretch. We don't know much about the Rite of Tranquility, but part of it involves branding the subject's forehead with lyrium. Maybe if it's applied as a tattoo instead of with heat and maybe if it isn't applied above the ears, it disrupts/reroutes magical ability while leaving the subject's connection to the Fade (emotions and dreams) intact. That last bit was nothing more than wild speculation on my part. Ramblings of the inadequately caffeinated.

Wouldn't magisters only take on mages as apprentices? It would seem like a waste of a magister's talents if they, say, apprenticed a swordsman.

I may be mis-remembering, but didn't his pre-game publicity say the his
magic was ripped from him when the lyrium was embedded in his skin?

Hmmmmmmmm I never remember seeing that stated. I will look around and see if I can find it because it would be one big missing piece to the puzzle that is Fenris.

A weak mage has a very short life expectancy in Tevinter, but a lyrium-enhanced warrior is a different thing entirely.

Is the life expectancy less because of competition or potential threat or it is something else?

Perhaps, Fenris was a powerful mage and a threat to Danarius. Just a strange thought.

Maybe if it's applied as a tattoo instead of with heat and maybe if it
isn't applied above the ears, it disrupts/reroutes magical ability while
leaving the subject's connection to the Fade (emotions and dreams)
intact. That last bit was nothing more than wild speculation on my part.
Ramblings of the inadequately caffeinated.

Now that is a very fascinating theory. The actually tattooing has always confounded me. Do you think it is liquid lyrium actually applied by needles or a different method? 

Hmmmm could it make your body tranquil? That makes me wonder if only Fenris's head shows up in the Fade when he dreams Seriously, very very interesting concept.

I have to ask, why do you think lyrium would rip his magic away? Why wouldn't it enhance it if he were a mage and give him ever lasting mana?


Hi Ghost! What is an arcane warrior?

Modifié par aldien, 04 juin 2012 - 06:41 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Aldy play origins! THey are basically mages that use their magic to give me strength and fight like a warrior....basically the DA equivalent of A bender from the Nickolodeon AVatar series or a Redmage or scholar from Final Fantasy....basically my favorite mage class tied with force and spirit healer.

Dealing out shoryukens and AOE revives b i tches! (sorry got gamergirl hyped for a second.)

[dracuella]

aldien wrote...
Now that is a very fascinating theory. The actually tattooing has always confounded me. Do you think it is liquid lyrium actually applied by needles or a different method? 

 
*brrrr* aldien you just put very vivid and disturbing images in my head about how Fenris suffered during his lyrium infusion. I swear, your imagination knows no boundaries, it's bad for my poor, delicate mind  (joking, joking )

 
Hi Ghost! What is an arcane warrior?

aldien, it's a specialization you can unlock in DAO which focuses on using your magic for combat rather than magical attacks.

Here's what the wiki says (a lot better than I could explain ) http://dragonage.wik.../Arcane_Warrior

"Among the ancient elves, there were mages who trained their magical arts to augment their martial prowess. They channeled magical power through their weapons and bodies, becoming terrors on the battlefield. Most consider these skills lost forever, but they may still linger in forgotten corners of the world. Arcane warriors may learn to use their magic score to satisfy the strength requirement to equip higher-level weapons and armor."

EDIT: Awww ninja'd by Ghost by 3 minutes!!!

Modifié par dracuella, 04 juin 2012 - 07:08 .

[Dutchess]

I doubt Fenris used to be a mage. I don´t recall ever seeing stated that his magic was ripped away by the ritual. Only his memories. And contact with raw lyrium would kill a mage. Wouldn't Danarius have used the ritual on a mage slave in that case? Sounds like an even more powerful bodyguard to me. I would say the ritual requires more of a natural resistance to magic than the other way around, to handle the lyrium in the body. I don't know, it's certainly all interesting to speculate about.

[MissRedZelda]

Fenris was most definitely a warrior before he became lyrium infused. And think about it, someone who's already very talented with a sword, but then infused with lyrium? He'd be very very powerful.

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Aldy play origins! THey are basically mages that use their magic to give me strength and fight like a warrior....basically the DA equivalent of A bender from the Nickolodeon AVatar series or a Redmage or scholar from Final Fantasy....basically my favorite mage class tied with force and spirit healer.

Dealing out shoryukens and AOE revives b i tches! (sorry got gamergirl hyped for a second.)

No! What would I do without Fen and my boy Solivitus?

Oh! Malcolm Hawke would have made an excellent arcane warrior. Maybe he was one. He could have been an elf mage.

You like AOE? Is one of all time favsB)

[aldien]

dracuella wrote...

aldien wrote...
Now that is a very fascinating theory. The actually tattooing has always confounded me. Do you think it is liquid lyrium actually applied by needles or a different method? 

 
*brrrr* aldien you just put very vivid and disturbing images in my head about how Fenris suffered during his lyrium infusion. I swear, your imagination knows no boundaries, it's bad for my poor, delicate mind  (joking, joking )

 
Hi Ghost! What is an arcane warrior?

aldien, it's a specialization you can unlock in DAO which focuses on using your magic for combat rather than magical attacks.

Here's what the wiki says (a lot better than I could explain ) http://dragonage.wik.../Arcane_Warrior

"Among the ancient elves, there were mages who trained their magical arts to augment their martial prowess. They channeled magical power through their weapons and bodies, becoming terrors on the battlefield. Most consider these skills lost forever, but they may still linger in forgotten corners of the world. Arcane warriors may learn to use their magic score to satisfy the strength requirement to equip higher-level weapons and armor."

EDIT: Awww ninja'd by Ghost by 3 minutes!!!

I am too lazy to make an all in one post. Just call me spammy.

*brrrr* aldien you just put very vivid and disturbing images in my head
about how Fenris suffered during his lyrium infusion. I swear, your
imagination knows no boundaries, it's bad for my poor, delicate mind
 (joking, joking [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie])

Hehehehe now I will want to do it more often. My imagination should be in solitairy confinement in a maximum security facility.

But, but, but I just want to know how Danrius did it so I can hate him more. Your poor delicate mind? I'm surprised you haven't fainted from the amount of Fenris flesh on this forum.

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

I doubt Fenris used to be a mage. I don´t recall ever seeing stated that his magic was ripped away by the ritual. Only his memories. And contact with raw lyrium would kill a mage. Wouldn't Danarius have used the ritual on a mage slave in that case? Sounds like an even more powerful bodyguard to me. I would say the ritual requires more of a natural resistance to magic than the other way around, to handle the lyrium in the body. I don't know, it's certainly all interesting to speculate about.

I don't think Danarius would have used raw lyrium. He loved himself too much to take that kind of risk, plus it would have probably rendered Fenris too mentally damaged in the long run to be of any use.

Fenris could have been a mage slave if Danarius used fefined lyrium to tattoo him. Perhaps, if Fenris had been a mage, even a weak one the lyrium was used to enhance his magic for a specific skil, for example that fisting thing he does It's all just silly speculation. But very interesting



MissRedZelda said: Fenris was most definitely a warrior before he became lyrium infused.
And think about it, someone who's already very talented with a sword,
but then infused with lyrium? He'd be very very powerful.


How do you know?  Fenris said that his Tevinter fighting skills were forced on him, so he obviously learned to fight after the ritual otherwise he wouldn't have remembered being trained to fight. Varania said he fought for his markings but she didn't say how he fought. I don't know. I kind of like the idea of a bunch of magisters watching lesser mages fight. That is something a magister would understand plus it would get rid of potential competition and make the magisters feel superior.

[dracuella]

aldien wrote...
Hehehehe now I will want to do it more often. My imagination should be in solitairy confinement in a maximum security facility.

But, but, but I just want to know how Danrius did it so I can hate him more. Your poor delicate mind? I'm surprised you haven't fainted from the amount of Fenris flesh on this forum.

Oh but I have. Have I ever! It's even been recorded:
http://dracuella.com...woon_fenris.jpg"

Modifié par dracuella, 05 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[Dutchess]

 ^Hahahaha. xD Oh, lol, that's so great. I don't know if I should be honored or worried that I'm the one posting the dirty picture. xD
I suppose I know which pic it could be too. xD
by Breogan
:innocent:


@ aldien: although it is definitely an interesting theory that Fenris used to be a mage, I don't think it's actually "canon" as in that mr Gaider made it up this way. More hints and lcues would have been dropped if that was the case, I think. This seems way to complicated to be actually intended. xD
I do find it frustrating so much remains unknown. I know we can always come up with more questions that are never answered in the game, but nog there is so much that practically remains a mystery... It hurts my brain when I try to figure out how it could be. xD