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[Dwarva]

Holy whoa.....




Ahem.




So, sorry to take us off track but I'm about to torture myself by trying yet another multiple romance playthrough (yeah I know, I should have learned from the last one...). I'm planning for my Hawke to bed Fenris and then, after he abandons her, run into Anders' arms. Is this fairly easily achievable? Last time Fenris didn't take me back because I slept with Izzy but I'm assuming Anders has no such qualms about Fenris' sloppy seconds.

Edit: Top post so....

Modifié par Staarbux, 05 juin 2012 - 04:47 .

[Dutchess]

As far as I know Anders has no problems with being rebound. Perhaps complete the whole sleeping with Fenris thing before flirting with Anders in act 2 to be safe, but other than that you should be fine.

[Dutchess]

^Very good post. Just one thing: David Gaider once said that Fenris only knew about the boon, and not the ritual. So it could be that he just fought to free his family, and that was not craving any kind of magical power.

[dracuella]

renjility wrote...

^Very good post. Just one thing: David Gaider once said that Fenris only knew about the boon, and not the ritual. So it could be that he just fought to free his family, and that was not craving any kind of magical power.

Yeah, that's something I also always thought. I never saw it as a selfish pursuit on his side; it was always about helping/freeing his family. Also as far as I recall there have never been situations where he craved power, have there? I mean due to his history as a slave, he isn't the sort to oppress others (just my headcanon, sorry if it goes against the real deal)

[CuriousArtemis]

dracuella wrote...

Also as far as I recall there have never been situations where he craved power, have there?

Other than when he falls for the stupid desire demon's temptation? Nope. I never take him into the Fade with me now; that was so stupid and OOC (as it was for all the characters).

Fenris doesn't even want to be noticed let alone be the center of power.  I am always struck by his devotion to Hawke and wonder what it's like to have him as a friend and not also a romanced companion.  When he says in that darling resigned voice, "I have no desire to go into the Fade.  But if you have need of me, I will go."  None of the other companions phrase it in such a way.  It speaks of such heartbreaking vulnerability on his part.  You realize right here that he is utterly devoted to Hawke, and it's almost scary to realize Hawke has this kind of power over him.  But unless you're playing as a power-hungry sadist xD it's really just very sweet.  I imagine that my Hawke realizes right then and there that Fenris is in love with him, and it's like realizing he has hold of this pecious treasure that could very esily break if he doesn't handle it carefully.

Sorry, that scenario kind of got away with me 

Oh I have had even further adventures in modding: I figured out how to switch heads! xDDD It's like encountering a whole new game!  I gave all the girls and Anders different heads.  Aveline has Macha's head (Aveline is now stunningly gorgeous; it's shocking LOL), Isabela has Grace's head (this actually works, what with tattoos ... very piratey), Merrill has Variel's (Dalish elf girl), and Anders has Saemus's head.  Anders now much easier to resist in romance situations because he has the face of a sixteen year old boy xD  And they are all indifferent armor of course that very nicely compliments their new faces.  I'm so obsessed with this that I already have ideas for the next playthrough: Moira for Aveline, Ella the mage girl for Isabela, and Mason the hot guard for Anders.  

Only person I couldn't change, of coure, was Fenris other than his usual Athenril's outfit change.  He looks so cute in it, and I love the tattoos. 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 06 juin 2012 - 03:29 .

[aldien]

Faerunner wrote...

All right, I was gravely mistaken. I'm sorry, it was a wrong observation. I'm going now.   
EDIT: If what Gaider said is true, then Danarius really is a sociopathic liar. Fenris said "I never wanted these filthy markings," and Danarius chuckled and said "How little you know," which really implied otherwise. But Fenris was right, he really never did want it, and the ritual likely was forced on him and Danarius is still just jerking him around. Varania certainly doesn't show any faith in her brother either. Does she really think that he would free her and her mother and then abandon them to poverty while he accepted a ritual that game him immense power and promoted him to a prestigious position (for slaves)? Then again, people don't see the world for what it is, but how they are, so she probably would see it that way. Either way, I certainly screwed up in my observation of Fenris' character.

Either way, I certainly screwed up in my observation of Fenris' character.

No you didn't. There is no correct observation of Fenris's character regardless of what anyone says. Fenris in the game is written one way. Fenris outside of the game is written another. I always seperate the two. Please don't go.  You bring wonderful and insightful discussion to this thread. I haven't had a chance to reply to your posts or aggravate the David Gaider fanclub on your behalf. But I will.



By the way, FFnet is purging its M rated stories. 15k gone already. I don't know if they will target DA fanfic but they might, so I would be backing up your Fenris porn, I mean your stories up and those of authors you do like.

Modifié par aldien, 06 juin 2012 - 06:05 .

[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

By the way, FFnet is purging its M rated stories. 15k gone already. I don't know if they will target DA fanfic but they might, so I would be backing up your Fenris porn, I mean your stories up and those of authors you do like.

Damn, that sucks.  If I weren't so lazy, I'd go and edit out all the love scenes of my M-rated fics.  But I don't like having to edit myself anyway.  That isn't right.  I wrote those scenes for the fans.  What's wrong with writing erotica and labeling it "mature"?  You can go to the bookstore and pick up erotica.  You can buy Playboy or Playgirl.  But if it's on the internet, suddenly it's a big No-No?

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

By the way, FFnet is purging its M rated stories. 15k gone already. I don't know if they will target DA fanfic but they might, so I would be backing up your Fenris porn, I mean your stories up and those of authors you do like.

Damn, that sucks.  If I weren't so lazy, I'd go and edit out all the love scenes of my M-rated fics.  But I don't like having to edit myself anyway.  That isn't right.  I wrote those scenes for the fans.  What's wrong with writing erotica and labeling it "mature"?  You can go to the bookstore and pick up erotica.  You can buy Playboy or Playgirl.  But if it's on the internet, suddenly it's a big No-No?

It is apparantly one group targeting it and FF net is bowing to the pressure. I should find that link. It will make you want to vomit in your mouth. Honestly, It is ridiculous. I'm worried more about saving the old stories that author's no longer support. I was told there is an e-reader program named calibre that can download the whole story by using just the url so no cutting or pasting.

[Sialater]

aldien wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

aldien wrote...

By the way, FFnet is purging its M rated stories. 15k gone already. I don't know if they will target DA fanfic but they might, so I would be backing up your Fenris porn, I mean your stories up and those of authors you do like.

Damn, that sucks.  If I weren't so lazy, I'd go and edit out all the love scenes of my M-rated fics.  But I don't like having to edit myself anyway.  That isn't right.  I wrote those scenes for the fans.  What's wrong with writing erotica and labeling it "mature"?  You can go to the bookstore and pick up erotica.  You can buy Playboy or Playgirl.  But if it's on the internet, suddenly it's a big No-No?

It is apparantly one group targeting it and FF net is bowing to the pressure. I should find that link. It will make you want to vomit in your mouth. Honestly, It is ridiculous. I'm worried more about saving the old stories that author's no longer support. I was told there is an e-reader program named calibre that can download the whole story by using just the url so no cutting or pasting.

It's Critics United.  They're reporting stories that don't follow FF.net's TOS.  After giving them "reviews" of course. 

I will have Archive of Our Own invites later this week if y'all need them.


Now, to ask the question I came here for:  About when in comparison to Hawke's timeline do you think Fenris was hiding with the Fog Warriors?

[CuriousArtemis]

Sialater wrote...

Now, to ask the question I came here for:  About when in comparison to Hawke's timeline do you think Fenris was hiding with the Fog Warriors?

While Hawke was still in Lothering, I think.  Maybe even before the Blight.

I won't bother moving my stories unless they do get deleted.  It will be a tragedy in my mind because one of the stories has 300+ reviews, all positive.  It fills my heart wih pride!!!  A rare thing for an amateur writer to experience lol 

I will be crushed if they all get deleted 

[Sialater]

You can save your reviews, I think.

I'm not moving mine. My ME fics don't violate TOS, and The Rescue may, but I'm not all that worried about it. I can just repost it on AO3.

Another thing, FF.Net seems to have drastically changed their story layout.

Modifié par Sialater, 06 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[CuriousArtemis]

:-O Merrill just showed up at Hawke's estate.

WTF? I let him use ONE flirt option, the very FIRST one in Act 1, and since then he hasn't flirted with her. And she shows up at his house towards the end of Act 2?!

I'm gonna be so pissed if this messes up my Fenris romance!

[Dwarva]

Oh ugh cant believe that about FF.net.

I've been saving all the epic long fictions (over 100k words) and converting them to Kindle format for ease of reading....but I might just do it with all of them if there's a threat they'll go.

I need my Fenrismut!

[Dutchess]

Faerunner wrote...

All right, I was gravely mistaken. I'm sorry, it was a wrong observation. I'm going now.   
EDIT: If what Gaider said is true, then Danarius really is a sociopathic liar. Fenris said "I never wanted these filthy markings," and Danarius chuckled and said "How little you know," which really implied otherwise. But Fenris was right, he really never did want it, and the ritual likely was forced on him and Danarius is still just jerking him around. Varania certainly doesn't show any faith in her brother either. Does she really think that he would free her and her mother and then abandon them to poverty while he accepted a ritual that game him immense power and promoted him to a prestigious position (for slaves)? Then again, people don't see the world for what it is, but how they are, so she probably would see it that way. Either way, I certainly screwed up in my observation of Fenris' character.

Oh, I'm sorry, I never wanted to imply that. Your post was clearly well-thought out and it fits perfectly in what we learn of Fenris in the game. I just wanted to add what Gaider said of it. In no way I wanted to invalidate your ideas, or meant that they should just be thrown out of the window because mr Gaider said this and that. Truly, your version makes perfect sense and is not a screwed up observation of Fenris' character.


@ aldien:  that sucks. I hope my story doesn't get purged. It's not that extreme. I have read the rules of FF.net, but was not sure when something was considered "explicit" and since I've read various stories that go into a lot more detail than mine, I figured I was in the clear. Where is it stated they are actively purging the site? I see a reminder of the rules on the home page, but no mention of them actually deleting stuff.

[Dutchess]

Sialater wrote...

Now, to ask the question I came here for:  About when in comparison to Hawke's timeline do you think Fenris was hiding with the Fog Warriors?

In the conversation you have with Fenris when you first visit him in Act 1 he says he has been on the run for three years already. In Act 2 we learn he fled (and really escaped) from Danarius after he had killed the Fog Warriors. How long he has been there we do not know, but a month, or two maybe? Hawke has been in Kirkwall for a year when he/she meets Fenris, paying of his/her debt, so the two years before that Hawke was still in Lothering, as Moto said. Malcolm Hawke was probably still alive then, because he apparently passed away not long before the game starts.So Hawke's life must still have been relatively peaceful at the time Fenris was with the Fog Warriors.

[CuriousArtemis]

About Fenris and his markings ... well I think Fenris was a brash young man, probably a teenager, who jumped at the idea to free his mother and sister. I'm sure it appealed to him to be the hero of his family. Since he was a slave, however, what are the chances of him also being a warrior? I don't see a slave owner allowing his slaves to learn fighting techniques. The only possibility is that Fenris perhaps idolized the soldier lifestyle and, again, dreamed of being a hero.

So if Fenris knew that what he was competing for was to become some sort of soldier or personal bodyguard, I'm sure this could have been very tantalizing for a young boy in his situation. DG said Fenris didn't know about the ritual, but we can take that to mean that no, Fenris did not know he would be infused with poisonous lyrium and have his memories wiped clean. But I don't think it's impossible to imagine that Fenris knew more than just, "If I am chosen, my mother and sister will be free!" Surely if this was a test of strength and endurance he must have been told that in addition to the boon, he would be given some sort of fighting position.

Just my thoughts

[Sialater]

Actually, the Tevinter mages do arm their slaves as body guards. After all, they're THAT arrogant.

[CuriousArtemis]

Sialater wrote...

Actually, the Tevinter mages do arm their slaves as body guards. After all, they're THAT arrogant.

Okay but what I mean is, allowing slaves to train and arm themselves.  Yes I can see that if a slave were picked out to be made into a bodyguard, then he or she would be given training.  I just mean that Fenris probably was not ALREADY a warrior before competing for the boon.  

So knowing that, maybe it seems all the more evident now that Fenris knew he was competing to become Danarius' bodyguard!

[aldien]

I've got lots of catching up to do on this thread, but I wanted to share this with you guys because it is the biggest reason I am going to move my stories permanently in the long run. Same boat with lots of reviews and regular readers but this really bothered me.

http://wtffanfiction...-fanfiction-net

Apparently FF net is okay with this. The thing that gets me is that I suspect the people they have "reviewed" are mostly young teens.So, it's okay to verbally abuse them but not let them write a bit of harmless smut. I also laughed because I realized these "reviews" violate ToS on FF.net. Anyway, thought I'd share because I know it effects people on this thread.

Good thing for DA writers is that I believe David Gaider said he isn't bothered by fanfiction. I love him for that want to beat him for other things.

I aslo read story deletion was up to 145k. Take with a grain of salt, but I do wonder if it is true.

Ren, as far as I know FF net hasn't actually said it is purging, but it most definitely is and it does it often without giving the author a chance to backup their stories. Will be spending my time backing up fav author's works that no longer maintain them :/

Modifié par aldien, 06 juin 2012 - 11:07 .

[Elijee]

aldien wrote...

I've got lots of catching up to do on this thread, but I wanted to share this with you guys because it is the biggest reason I am going to move my stories permanently in the long run. Same boat with lots of reviews and regular readers but this really bothered me.

http://wtffanfiction...-fanfiction-net

Apparently FF net is okay with this. The thing that gets me is that I suspect the people they have "reviewed" are mostly young teens.So, it's okay to verbally abuse them but not let them write a bit of harmless smut. I also laughed because I realized these "reviews" violate ToS on FF.net. Anyway, thought I'd share because I know it effects people on this thread.

Good thing for DA writers is that I believe David Gaider said he isn't bothered by fanfiction. I love him for that want to beat him for other things.

I aslo read story deletion was up to 145k. Take with a grain of salt, but I do wonder if it is true.

Ren, as far as I know FF net hasn't actually said it is purging, but it most definitely is and it does it often without giving the author a chance to backup their stories. Will be spending my time backing up fav author's works that no longer maintain them :/

Delurking just to say... damn.  That's terrible.  As far as I'm concerned, that sort of verbal abuse is never warranted. =[  Warning someone that they're breaking the TOS is acceptable, but I wouldn't take a flamer seriously at all.  And then my story would be deleted for my troubles, I guess.

Back on topic, I also think Fenris may have had some idea of what he was competing for.  I think it had a lot to do with how Danarius might have phrased his description of the "prize" (and now the rest of my post will be read in Jacob Taylor's voice).  There's a huge difference in how people will interpret "the winner will become a warrior without peer" and "the winner will undergo an agonizing ritual in order to become a warrior without peer."  And the idea of being a respected warrior, even a bodyguard, must have held appeal for a slave--after all, it'd make sense for bodyguards to get better treatment than your average slave if the magister is entrusting their life to them.  That doesn't seem to have happened with Danarius (then again, I don't know what the standard of living for a Tevinter slave is), of course, but it might have been the expectation.

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

I've got lots of catching up to do on this thread, but I wanted to share this with you guys because it is the biggest reason I am going to move my stories permanently in the long run. Same boat with lots of reviews and regular readers but this really bothered me.

http://wtffanfiction...-fanfiction-net

Apparently FF net is okay with this. The thing that gets me is that I suspect the people they have "reviewed" are mostly young teens.So, it's okay to verbally abuse them but not let them write a bit of harmless smut. I also laughed because I realized these "reviews" violate ToS on FF.net. Anyway, thought I'd share because I know it effects people on this thread.

Good thing for DA writers is that I believe David Gaider said he isn't bothered by fanfiction. I love him for that want to beat him for other things.

I aslo read story deletion was up to 145k. Take with a grain of salt, but I do wonder if it is true.

Ren, as far as I know FF net hasn't actually said it is purging, but it most definitely is and it does it often without giving the author a chance to backup their stories. Will be spending my time backing up fav author's works that no longer maintain them :/

Well, I've got all my files still on my pc, so my story won't get lost if they suddenly decide to delete it. I don't think that Critics United group is to blame for the size of the purge. It are still the administrators of FF.net who do the deleting, and the amount of stories that are removed is too big to be blamed entirely on this relatively small group of people. But some of those comments are definitely out of line and are really too harsh to be considered "constructive". 
Maybe I'll try to spread out my fic to other sites as well. FF.net was simply the only one I realy knew when I started. But I might catch a few extra readers when I post on other sites as well.:innocent:


@ Elijee: it actually is pretty vague what the standard of Fenris' living was. We only know Hadriana would deny him meals and hound his sleep, but as far as I remember, he has never said something similar of Danarius. Hadriana may have acted this way only when Danarius was away or something like that. So maybe Fenris did live a life of relative luxury in his position? It also makes me wonder what kind of master Danarius actually was. There are no statements of torture, apart from the pain the ritual evoked. Danarius even seems to be sort of fond of Fenris in a twisted way. I think he may have really treated Fenris as a favorite pet.

I obviously don't mean to defend Danarius. No doubt he is still a cruel bastard, but he might not have been cruel in the obvious torturing way.


I also have a  question. Do you guys think Fenris ever cries? And if so, when? I know, odd question xD but he always acts so tough that it makes me wonder if he ever loses it. I think he cries after the Varania incident. And maybe one time in the three years he tries to keep his distance from Hawke, but more out of frustration than lovesick sadness.


Prince-in-Disguise 

Modifié par renjility, 07 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[Dwarva]

As for him crying I really suspect he doesn't. And that's why the choking 'I can't' when he's leaving Hawke affects me so much - he is obviously trying not to break down. Coming from him that's far more of an emotional break than Merrill/Isabela/Anders sitting bawling their eyes out IMO...

[dracuella]

 

renjility wrote...
I also have a  question. Do you guys think Fenris ever cries? And if so, when? I know, odd question xD but he always acts so tough that it makes me wonder if he ever loses it. I think he cries after the Varania incident. And maybe one time in the three years he tries to keep his distance from Hawke, but more out of frustration than lovesick sadness.

Staarbux wrote...
As for him crying I really suspect he doesn't. And that's why the choking 'I can't' when he's leaving Hawke affects me so much - he is obviously trying not to break down. Coming from him that's far more of an emotional break than Merrill/Isabela/Anders sitting bawling their eyes out IMO...

I always imagined him being too proud to let anyone see him cry, his ego rejecting the very idea. But I also always imagined him allowing himself when he was alone and given the right circumstances, I believe he would cry. I never did this myself but I accidentally watched a video on youtube of someone who let Danarius have Fenris. I was horrified. Even with the possibility in the game, there is NO way, I'm doing that. There are just some things I could never do!
Anyway, that scene go so severely stuck in my head that it sparked my mental film to go bat crazy and for the longest time, I couldn't stop imagining what happened to poor Fenris after that. One of the worst scenarios I thought of was one where he's on a cot pushed up against the wall in a dark, damp room after a day of being tormented by Danarius. Whipped, battered, broken into submission, he's lying in a semi-foetal position, face turned against the wall and you can see his shoulders shaking. The room is quiet except for his muffled sobbing and this again is only interrupted by him whispering to himself, "Why, Hawke.. Why?". It's not the abuse, it's not that he's back with Danarius; his pain is from the fact that the person he trusted the most could betray him. 

I don't know why I do this to myself, I really don't. I must have maschocistic tendencies 

Modifié par dracuella, 07 juin 2012 - 11:37 .