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Débuté par Chris Priestly , déc. 16 2010 09:06

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#51476
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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 05:53

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Oh, I never make Alistair king. (At least not intentionally. A hardened Alistair being crowned after executing Loghain came out of nowhere for my elven mage.) He never wanted it and I never saw the point in forcing him. :/

What I meant was that when you do make him king, he considers his kingly duty of marrying and breeding with a noblewoman to be more vital than being with the woman he loves. (He's very hard up on duty, really.) Same with Anders choosing to blow up the Chantry over being with Hawke, same with Cullen choosing to serve the Maker and later suppress mages over allowing himself to even embrace his feelings for Amell/Surana. Sense of personal duty comes first, love/loyalty/friendship next.

Not so much for Zevran and Fenris. If they love you enough, Zevran will choose you over Taliesin even though accepting means the Crows will stop hunting him and Fenris will choose to fight with you to defend mages despite his hatred of them. (Granted, they can turn on you if they don't like you enough/you can't persuade them well enough, but who's counting? :P)

I've just noticed a pattern with blond-ish human men and elven former slaves in the Dragon Age franchise is all. ^^;

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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 09:53

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berelinde wrote...

It stays pretty "meh," IMO. I read it, but I never really felt any connection to any of the characters - not even Rhys, if you believe it. No spoilers, but there is a really good reason that Rhys sounds Ferelden. Adrian may well be Orlesian. It isn't unusual for Circles to move mages from one tower to another. Given that Rhys is a spirit medium, his talents are very rare, so I could see them moving him to a tower in a different part of Thedas, but there was a more compelling reason the get him out of Kinloch Hold. They separate families.

But yeah, if you can finish Asunder and still admire templars as an organization, your empathy valve needs a tune-up. When I finished, I went to youtube and watched the Last Straw, cheering Anders on. Recommendation: After you finish Asunder, watch Dawn of the Seeker. You won't feel any better about the leadership of the templars, but it will make you feel better about the chantry as a whole.


So I'm a little further through the books and they've established Rhys is Orlesian. Which is wierd because now I'm a third of the way through the story and have been imagining him with a Fereldan accent this entire time. *le sigh*

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Posté 23 juin 2012 - 02:08

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URGH! I can't even get a hold of Asunder in my damn country either! >_< I really feel like I'm missing out here!

Oh, and Staarbux, Rhys is actually Wynne's son who she had with some random Templar. So, I would say he's more Fereldan than Orlaisian, in my own personal opinion. (shrugs) 

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 05:58

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Staarbux wrote...

So I'm a little further through the books and they've established Rhys is Orlesian. Which is wierd because now I'm a third of the way through the story and have been imagining him with a Fereldan accent this entire time. *le sigh*


From what I could grasp from the book, it might be simply the fact that he grew up in Orlais which qualifies him as "Orlesian" no matter where he might "originially" come from. Just think of Anders: he's called the "Fereldan Grey Warden" when you are looking for him in DA2, while his nickname still indicates that he was brought to Ferelden from Anderfels.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 05:58

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Hello?! Anyone?

EDIT: I guess that makes him Fereldan Orlesian, then?

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:13

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Aveline, too, was born in Orlais (I think) but considers herself Fereldan.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:13

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I have the books, but I still haven't gotten around to reading them yet. ><

#51483
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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:26

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In a world like Thedas with no "national states" as such, I think people's "national belonging" would be mostly determined by the language they speak/the accent they have (as in the case with all those Orleasians who seem to literally "flaunt" their accent), what people consider them "their own" (as in the case of the "Fereldan" Grey Warden; I doubt a Daelish grey warden would consider themselves Fereldan) and last but no least what they consider themselves to be (as in the case of Aveline). I guess that's what accounts for most of our confusion as to where a character is "truly" from.
"Belonging" is a very subjective category, more so in a world where people are not having a nationality forced upon them (via a passport) to neatly categorize them.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:05

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So I've just finished my male Amell playthrough of DAO and despite telling Anora I'd support her at the landsmeet, and telling Alistair this, AND him agreeing he shouldn't be king......once I get there and beat Loghain they still bloody make Alistair king?? WTF?


Uuuuugh. I have no idea where I've gone wrong with the dialogue and, frankly, can't be arsed going back to find out. I definitely didn't pick any dialogue at the meet itself that would put Alistair forward so have no idea what I've done. Bugger.

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:16

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Did you harden Alistair and have him execute Loghain?

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 10:29

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Yeah.....does that automatically make him king? If I kill him myself can I make Anora queen?

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:10

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Yeah, a hardened Alistair will automatically be declared king if he executes Loghain. Don't know why. (And don't feel too bad, it caught my mage Warden by surprise as well, and I promised the throne to Anora in that playthrough too.)

Kill Loghain yourself and you can crown Anora. =)

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:12

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Aww thanks you so much! I've got a save right before the landsmeet itself so can go back :)

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Posté 24 juin 2012 - 11:36

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 Go for it. Anora would make a better ruler than Alistair, anyway.

There's a distinct lack of Fenris fanart. Must rectify. Give me a moment . . .

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By Purple-meow

:wub:

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 12:03

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Here, here! Plus Alistair doesn't even want to be king, so you're freeing him from an unwanted burden! ^^

On the fanart: Ooh, those claws... @.@

Ahem, I mean, it's a beautiful picture. Hawke looks lovely, Fenris looks amazing, and those... *sigh* I'm going to let my inner fangirl out for just a minute, and ask if it's weird that I LOVE Fenris' claws? *.* (I just about die every time he touches Hawke's hair with them in the game.)

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 12:27

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Faerunner wrote...

Here, here! Plus Alistair doesn't even want to be king, so you're freeing him from an unwanted burden! ^^

On the fanart: Ooh, those claws... @.@

Ahem, I mean, it's a beautiful picture. Hawke looks lovely, Fenris looks amazing, and those... *sigh* I'm going to let my inner fangirl out for just a minute, and ask if it's weird that I LOVE Fenris' claws? *.* (I just about die every time he touches Hawke's hair with them in the game.)


I made him King once, and was heartbroken when he broke up with my female Mage. I understand that he did it because, well, he's King now and he has his duties. Plus, I put him on the throne despight him telling me that he didn't want it (probably because he knew that it would mean having to break the relationship). But, it doesn't help that unless you harden him, he doesn't have the backbone to tell the Landsmeet to f*** themselves and keep me as a mistress anyway. Sigh. I still love himmore than Zevran, though. 

But now, I just put Anora on the throne and he and I ride off into the sunset to do Warden-y thing. ^_^ It's what both of us want, after all.

And no, it's not weird. I love this picture too. His claws are pretty neat, too :wub:

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MissRedZelda wrote...

I made him King once, and was heartbroken when he broke up with my female Mage. I understand that he did it because, well, he's King now and he has his duties. Plus, I put him on the throne despight him telling me that he didn't want it (probably because he knew that it would mean having to break the relationship). But, it doesn't help that unless you harden him, he doesn't have the backbone to tell the Landsmeet to f*** themselves and keep me as a mistress anyway. Sigh. I still love himmore than Zevran, though.

But now, I just put Anora on the throne and he and I ride off into the sunset to do Warden-y thing. ^_^ It's what both of us want, after all.


I understand. Even if you know logically why he does something, it can still be very heart-breaking, especially when it seems to come out of nowhere. (Granted, like you said, the game seems to drop some hints, but Alistair is a pretty bad communicator, so...) I know I was shocked and heartbroken when I accidentally read a spoiler online during my first playthrough, and I hadn't even decided on whether or not to crown him at that point.

Though to be honest, I don't think it's just the Landsmeet in that case. As far as I know, it's usually accepted, if not expected for kings to have women on the side. (Cailan certainly ran around on Anora enough for people to comment.) I think Alistair mostly doesn't want to be unfair to you or his future wife by keeping you as a mistress, both degrading his future wife as nothing but a brood mare and you as his bit on the side.

Or is there something to that conversation that I don't remember? >>

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And no, it's not weird. I love this picture too. His claws are pretty neat, too :wub:


Fenris is so feral and primeval. For some reason, it just gives me a thrill to think that those same claws he uses to rip and tear through the hearts of opponents can be used to very gently caress a lover's hair or face. It very beautifully illustrates the softer, gentler side to an otherwise coarse, prickly person.

Okay, fangirl out. ^^

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 02:37

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Faerunner wrote...

Though to be honest, I don't think it's just the Landsmeet in that case. As far as I know, it's usually accepted, if not expected for kings to have women on the side. (Cailan certainly ran around on Anora enough for people to comment.) I think Alistair mostly doesn't want to be unfair to you or his future wife by keeping you as a mistress, both degrading his future wife as nothing but a brood mare and you as his bit on the side.

Or is there something to that conversation that I don't remember? >>

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And no, it's not weird. I love this picture too. His claws are pretty neat, too :wub:


Fenris is so feral and primeval. For some reason, it just gives me a thrill to think that those same claws he uses to rip and tear through the hearts of opponents can be used to very gently caress a lover's hair or face. It very beautifully illustrates the softer, gentler side to an otherwise coarse, prickly person.

Okay, fangirl out. ^^


No, I think it's perfectly in Alistair's charcter to not want to be unfair to you. For him, duty is everything. In this case, it's his duty to serve his country first by providing an heir, and his duty to be faithful to his wife under the laws of marriage - even if having a mistress is perfectly acceptable. I would have liked him to have had a bit of conflict when it comes to your Warden, like perhaps he talks to you about him becoming King and what it means to their relationship; "Are you sure about this? It means we won't be allowed to be together since you're a Mage/Elf/Dwaf/ect." But as you said, Alistair is a bad communicator.

And honestly, the game seems more inclinded toward a male romancing Morrigan and making his buddy Alistair King. It's why they released Witch Hunt. <_<

Oh, fangirl away. I will if you won't :D

EDIT: Where on Earth is everyone?!

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 03:17

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MissRedZelda wrote...

No, I think it's perfectly in Alistair's charcter to not want to be unfair to you. For him, duty is everything. In this case, it's his duty to serve his country first by providing an heir, and his duty to be faithful to his wife under the laws of marriage - even if having a mistress is perfectly acceptable. I would have liked him to have had a bit of conflict when it comes to your Warden, like perhaps he talks to you about him becoming King and what it means to their relationship; "Are you sure about this? It means we won't be allowed to be together since you're a Mage/Elf/Dwaf/ect." But as you said, Alistair is a bad communicator.

And honestly, the game seems more inclinded toward a male romancing Morrigan and making his buddy Alistair King. It's why they released Witch Hunt. <_<


Ain't that the truth. :x

Honestly? This is why I don't take people seriously when they tell me I should play a human noble because "they're more at home in the plot" or "the game is more inclined toward them." So? Like you said, the game is more inclined toward male characters too, but it doesn't mean I want to play a dude.

On Witch Hunt, I think it's kind of interesting if you play with Morrigan as a beloved friend, especially if you add the emotional paradox of having her carry your love interest's child. It's not quite the standard, stereotypical "heterosexual hero dude sleeps with dark femme fatale that runs away with his kid and he tracks her down to find his son." There's a lack of meaningful platonic relationships between women in most media, so I like how Dragon Age gives you the option of breaking the mold, even if the writers themselves don't seem to want to pay too much attention to it. =/


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Oh, fangirl away. I will if you won't :D


Fenris! Fenris! Fenrissimo~! <3

EDIT: A little off-topic, but do you think Fenris gets pissed off when people question his masculinity?

I mean, since elves are slimmer and shorter--well, just slimmer (thanks to the new elf designs...) than humans, I think there's the perception that elven men are less manly than human men. Fenris, while thin and wiry, has a LOT of anger and aggression to go around. The game just focuses on mages and slavery as his berserk buttons, but do you think he ever feels tweaked by humans or dwarves implying that he's less of a man thanks to his heritage?

Just a random thought to help keep the Fenris conversation going. ^^;

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 03:33

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I'm here!

I've yet to play Witch Hunt, to be honest. I just assumed from what I had heard, and from what I've played so far of DA:O. One thing I did like about DA2 was that it seemed more gender neutral. I did enjoy the Alistair romance... up until a point.

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Oh, sorry for spoiling it then! ^^;

Eh, I thought the gender-neutral thing was nice up to a point, but it doesn't allow for very much role-play freedom or variety between characters. Literally the ONLY reason I played DA2 was to romance Fenris (yes, that's how awesome I think he is), but I had a very girly character in mind. Since the game only lets you to play a more tomboy type, it ruined my vision big-time.

Actually, I had an elven character in mind too, so DA2 just seemed bad for role-playing all around. >_<

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 04:04

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It's all good. I don't mind spoilers . . . most of the time.

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Well, it's not EXACTLY a spoiler (I hope) since it's about the Warden going after Morrigan and any Warden technically can, so... Eh, I'll leave well enough alone.

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Posté 25 juin 2012 - 04:51

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Faerunner wrote...

On Witch Hunt, I think it's kind of interesting if you play with Morrigan as a beloved friend, especially if you add the emotional paradox of having her carry your love interest's child. It's not quite the standard, stereotypical "heterosexual hero dude sleeps with dark femme fatale that runs away with his kid and he tracks her down to find his son." There's a lack of meaningful platonic relationships between women in most media, so I like how Dragon Age gives you the option of breaking the mold, even if the writers themselves don't seem to want to pay too much attention to it. =/

 

But imagine your Warden romanced Zevran and didn't particularly like Morrigan.  Warden is male but was so repulsed by the thought of sleeping with her that he convinced Alistair to do it.

Now explaint to me WHY ON EARTH he would drop everything and go search for her after she voluntarily left.

This is why I hate Witch Hunt <_<

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EDIT: A little off-topic, but do you think Fenris gets pissed off when people question his masculinity? 
 

 


O.O To be sure! Did anyone in game (besides Gamlen) question it?  I always imagine that Fenris had a thing or two to mutter to Hawke after leaving Gamlen's home when Gamlen makes that comment about knowing which one of them is the girl.  Similar to how he muttered about being called a "manservant" by the Duke xD

He's such a mutterer :lol:

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But imagine your Warden romanced Zevran and didn't particularly like Morrigan.  Warden is male but was so repulsed by the thought of sleeping with her that he convinced Alistair to do it.

Now explaint to me WHY ON EARTH he would drop everything and go search for her after she voluntarily left.

This is why I hate Witch Hunt <_<


True, but then this is an optional DLC with the description right on the cover: the Warden goes to search for Morrigan (for whatever reason). If you think to yourself, "Eh, my Warden's not the type to do it," then you can lay off. If you decide to play it with your character, then your character decided to go (for whatever reason). I guess you can think of "I choose not to play WH" as your Warden deciding not to search for her, or playing merely out of curiosity as your Warden searching out of curiosity.

Between you and me, I hear the Orlaisian Warden from Awakening can go search for her too, and then it becomes REALLY awkward. It's like, "You never knew Morrigan, you've only heard of her, so why are you searching for her?" and so on. (This is only heresay though. I haven't actually done it.)

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O.O To be sure! Did anyone in game (besides Gamlen) question it?  I always imagine that Fenris had a thing or two to mutter to Hawke after leaving Gamlen's home when Gamlen makes that comment about knowing which one of them is the girl.  Similar to how he muttered about being called a "manservant" by the Duke xD

He's such a mutterer :lol:


Lol ain't that the truth!

He can be so quietly hostile, Mr. "There Are No Puppy Eyes."

(Heh! You mentioning Gamlen's snide remark reminds me of the really funny aimo comic that ren posted several days ago. The one where Gamlen makes the snide remark, Hawke says words to the effect of "You have no idea!" and goes into very explicit, graphic, cencored detail about how aggressive Fenris was in bed and embarrassed the hell out of all listeners involved. xD)
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