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Faerunner wrote...

I agree completely. I've played all the origins (City Elf is my favourite though) and tried the human noble just for the sake trying out the "fairytale wedding" as you did, but I couldn't even get past Ostagar. I found it so ungodly boring, underwhelming, and frankly insulting how automatically polite and respectful people were to the human noble even before learning their names, whereas dwarves and especially elves had to earn respect after listening to nay-sayers, doubters, and disrespectful commenters. (Next person who says "My city elf was treated the same as the human noble" or "The human noble has it worst because they started with everything and lost it" gets a tongue-lashing.)

If playing the "default" is this boring, then let me always deviate from the default.


Does anyone else besides me play as the Human Female Mage? I've seen so many Nobel Humans and Dalish/City Elves, but not many Human Magi.

But I also agree, the HN is the dullest out of all of them. Which sucks because I wanted to play as a human rogue archer at one point. Eh, I'll save it for my Dalish elf playthrough.

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Faerunner wrote...

Really? I don't remember, though I do know the race concept art shows elves and humans to be roughly the same height (with males a little taller than females) and Fenris always seemed pretty tall too, so I just assumed... I don't know. Maybe Fenris is the tall one, I don't remember. It's been a while since I played.


To be entirely honest, I'm comparing with Zev. He was shorter than a human female Warden, meaning that the average elf male should be shorter than a human female. Fenris is the only male elf that has made me go "hey, he's taller than Hawke...that's odd". So either I just didn't pay enough attention to other male elves in DA2 (and their heights have been retconned since DAO), or Fenris is taller than average.

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Does anyone else besides me play as the Human Female Mage? I've seen so many Nobel Humans and Dalish/City Elves, but not many Human Magi.


I have an Amell, but he's male. Made him for Morrigan. All my other Wardens are female, but only F!Cousland is human.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 26 juin 2012 - 12:31 .


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Really? From my perspective, Hawke and Fenris seem to be about the same height.

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MissRedZelda wrote...

Really? From my perspective, Hawke and Fenris seem to be about the same height.


That could also be because Fenris' default posture is slouchy. When they're kissing, he stands taller than F!Hawke, if my memory serves.

Alternatively, I could just dig up my Fenmance saves to check >.>;

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

To be entirely honest, I'm comparing with Zev. He was shorter than a human female Warden, meaning that the average elf male should be shorter than a human female. Fenris is the only male elf that has made me go "hey, he's taller than Hawke...that's odd". So either I just didn't pay enough attention to other male elves in DA2 (and their heights have been retconned since DAO), or Fenris is taller than average.


Bingo!  Pretty sure that's the culprit.  In regular play (non-cut scenes), all male elves are the same height; that's because they all use the same body.  Next time you play Zevran's quest, stand Fenris next to Zevran and see for yourself! Bet they're the same height!

A cut scene may be different ......... but I dunno.

As to him being taller or the same height as FemHawke, damn, that would be hard to tell.  He does slouch, so, impossible to tell in regular play.  There isn't really a moment in a cut scene when they're standing side by side, is there? Well, if anything, he's at least the same height as her ... why I vaguely recall a dev saying Fenris and FemHawke are the same height?

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

Really? From my perspective, Hawke and Fenris seem to be about the same height.


That could also be because Fenris' default posture is slouchy. When they're kissing, he stands taller than F!Hawke, if my memory serves.

Alternatively, I could just dig up my Fenmance saves to check >.>;


Ah yes, he has a habit odoing that :D

I wonder why Elves are suddenly so tall. Could it be because Varric is kinda bending the truth a bit?

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....so yeah Im not into elves that badly (except Fen-fen) but I will go on a rip roaring revenge origins as CE and curbstomp a rapist.


Hear, hear.  God that was satisfying.

Favorites for me are City Elf and Dalish!

Someone recently said they just finished romancing Leliana.  I applaud people who romance outside the box, i.e. outside ones chosen/favorite love interest.  One day I will complete Alistair's romance ... one day...  And I have an Anders romance just hanging out somewhere in Act 2.  Yet all I can think of is restarting and romancing Fenris =


While CEF is awesome Dalish made me fall asleep. I like HN though. My 2nd fav of the origins (first is City Elf) I can't force myself to play Dwarves. The height thing puts me off.

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Ryzaki wrote...

While CEF is awesome Dalish made me fall asleep. I like HN though. My 2nd fav of the origins (first is City Elf) I can't force myself to play Dwarves. The height thing puts me off.


HEIGHT-IST!  Ladies we have a height-ist in our midst!!!!!! *finger point*

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motomotogirl wrote...

I think Fenris's backstory makes him more of a candidate for sweeping, too, considering he is the lowly ex-slave and Hawke is THE CHAMPION OF KIRKWALL.

 

O_O I would think being a former slave would make him LESS open to being swept, since being grabbed, touched and man-handled without consent was par for the course during his life of slavery, and he wouldn't want to go through it again. (Plus, lots of pent-up energy that he wasn't able to express in a life of servitude he can express with Hawke now, hence the really feral kiss at the end.)

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There is something I am wondering though: in the final Gallows scene, when Hawke and Fenris kiss, Hawke puts his arms around Fenris's waist and pulls him close for a deep kiss.  Fenris puts his arms around Hawke's neck ... a girl's pose.  It's very much a "Fenris as the more feminine one" scene.  And it's sweet and I squee (of course xD) but I wonder if that changes for FemHawke.  As much as I adore kick ass beotches like FemHawke, I think it would look odd if she grabbed her boyfriend in a big manly embrace whilst he swooned ladylike in her arms xDDD


Naw, I think the animation is the same regardless of Hawke's gender. (Tra and la~!)

To be honest, I didn't get "feminine" or "girl pose" from that scene. Fenris seemed too feral for that. >>;

(He just seemed to lunge at Hawke with claws out-stretched and went for the neck since it was closest to his target and easiest to pull Hawke's face closer to his, and Hawke seemed to embrace him from below instead of above since Fenris' long arms were in the way. That's my interpretation of the scene, anyway.)

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motomotogirl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

While CEF is awesome Dalish made me fall asleep. I like HN though. My 2nd fav of the origins (first is City Elf) I can't force myself to play Dwarves. The height thing puts me off.


HEIGHT-IST!  Ladies we have a height-ist in our midst!!!!!! *finger point*

:P


Psh. :P I like being tall.

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Faerunner wrote...

Naw, I think the animation is the same regardless of Hawke's gender. (Tra and la~!)

To be honest, I didn't get "feminine" or "girl pose" from that scene. Fenris seemed too feral for that. >>;

(He just seemed to lunge at Hawke with claws out-stretched and went for the neck since it was closest to his target and easiest to pull Hawke's face closer to his, and Hawke seemed to embrace him from below instead of above since Fenris' long arms were in the way. That's my interpretation of the scene, anyway.)


Okay, it's not as bad as I was envisioning then :lol: So no macho-manly FemHawke :P Even though the animation is the same, it still seems different though; to me Fenny seems more vulnerable with ManHawke because of the size difference; I mean his waist is so tiny in Hawke's big arms o.o but with him and FemHawke it's more raw and feral like you said.  Though both are passionate.

The Fenris thread, where we analyze kisses! :wub: 

EDIT: By the way, does anyone else cringe at watching default ManHawke?  I wanted to scream at him, "Get away from Fenris you fugly bear man!"

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Okay, it's not as bad as I was envisioning then :lol: So no macho-manly FemHawke :P 


True, but still not as feminine as she could be. To this day, I still would have liked her to have been a little more girly for when I romanced Fenris, but I guess the problem has more to do with a pre-set, pre-defined, pre-voiced character than anything else.

motomotogirl wrote...

Even though the animation is the same, it still seems different though; to me Fenny seems more vulnerable with ManHawke because of the size difference; I mean his waist is so tiny in Hawke's big arms o.o but with him and FemHawke it's more raw and feral like you said.  Though both are passionate.


Eh, I guess you're just seeing something that I'm not. I agree that Fenris is smaller and thinner than male Hawke, but I don't think of him as more feminine or vulnerable than he is with a female Hawke. Truth be told, I feel that M!Hawke talks in almost an effeminate way (especially Sarcastic Hawke) and is generally more in touch with his more sincere and tender feelings than Fenris. Hawke looks bigger and manlier, but Fenris acts more tough and stoic (traditionally considered "masculine" characteristics), so it kind of balances them out in my mind.

motomotogirl wrote...

EDIT: By the way, does anyone else cringe at watching default ManHawke?  I wanted to scream at him, "Get away from Fenris you fugly bear man!"


Oh yes, big time.

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motomotogirl wrote...



EDIT: By the way, does anyone else cringe at watching default ManHawke?  I wanted to scream at him, "Get away from Fenris you fugly bear man!"


Yep. I cannot stand default MaleHawke. Why they made him look like a 40 year old man when he's meant to have 18 year old siblings I'll never know. I wish he'd looked like the Hawke from the Destiny trailer - I've tried SO hard to get a Hawke that looks like that but the beard/stubble just never looks quite right. And it's a shame because he's a schmexy beast. :D

And in terms of 'playing outside the box' I'm not sure if it was myself you meant as romancing Leliana. I just finished doing a LI with her and not only do I normally romance Alistair....I normally romance guys, no matter if I play as a male or female Warden/Hawke. I just find it difficult to make a connection with a female LI. In all my DA2 playthroughs I've never romanced Merrill (I maintain it would feel like romancing a 12 year old...) and abandoned my Isabela playthrough. And when I deviate (haha nearly wrote deviant - how Freudian :wizard:) from Alistair in DAO, it's always to Zev. I just find the male LIs far more interesting - Fenris and Alistair are 2 of my favourite game characters ever, how could I NOT want to get it on with them. :lol:

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Urgh, I know how you feel, Staar. I can't romance ANYONE besides Alistair in DA:O (with the exception of the very rare occasions I play my FHN character, I choose Zevran. I don't know why, but I don't like F!Cousland/Alistair. Probably because I feel their relationship becomes too political during the Landsmeet. And because the two of them can marry even if Alistair hates her, for political reasons. It cheapens the relationship too much for me). And it's always Fenris in DA2. No matter what.

I think I have a problem, people! Not that I'm complaining ^_^

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Staarbux wrote...

And in terms of 'playing outside the box' I'm not sure if it was myself you meant as romancing Leliana. I just finished doing a LI with her and not only do I normally romance Alistair....I normally romance guys, no matter if I play as a male or female Warden/Hawke. I just find it difficult to make a connection with a female LI. In all my DA2 playthroughs I've never romanced Merrill (I maintain it would feel like romancing a 12 year old...) and abandoned my Isabela playthrough. And when I deviate (haha nearly wrote deviant - how Freudian :wizard:) from Alistair in DAO, it's always to Zev. I just find the male LIs far more interesting - Fenris and Alistair are 2 of my favourite game characters ever, how could I NOT want to get it on with them. :lol:


I'll gladly "romance outside the box", but the characters have to interest me, and that's not often the case with female LIs. I can't stand either Leliana, Merrill or Isabela, so that limits the playing field. I did, however, make a male Warden specifically for Morrigan. Granted, the motivating factor was the achievement for romancing her, but I was interested enough to finish the playthrough afterwards.

I also made 2 male Shepards specifically for Tali and Jack in Mass Effect. I can't stand Ashley, Miranda or Liara. Haven't played ME3 yet, but from what I've seen, Traynor and Allers aren't likely to interest me either.

Alternately, I started out Jade Empire with a female PC intending to romance Silk Fox, because she looked the most interesting of the lot. Then I actually met her. And her personality completely turned me off. Alas.

Faerunner wrote...

Eh, I guess you're just seeing something that I'm not. I agree that Fenris is smaller and thinner than male Hawke, but I don't think of him as more feminine or vulnerable than he is with a female Hawke. Truth be told, I feel that M!Hawke talks in almost an effeminate way (especially Sarcastic Hawke) and is generally more in touch with his more sincere and tender feelings than Fenris. Hawke looks bigger and manlier, but Fenris acts more tough and stoic (traditionally considered "masculine" characteristics), so it kind of balances them out in my mind.


Yeah, I find it difficult to picture Fenris as feminine because of the way he behaves, which feels distinctly masculine. I suspect it also has to do with the fact that both my completed Hawkes are female.

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Ugh I'm back to feeling nervous about ME3... I promised myself I wouldn't get angsty about the extended ending like I did with the real ending...and yet I'm a few hours away from downloading and have that 'omg it's going to suck' feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Why. Must. I. Care??

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@ moto: yeah, David Gaider once said he thought Fenris and female Hawke are the same height. It's hard to see in game, but it seems to be the case, although I con't see that much of a height difference between Fenris and male Hawke either.

@ Zelda: I have a playthrough of a female human mage going, although I haven't played in a while. She is romancing Leliana, because I still had to try the female romances in DAO. Leliana bores me though. xD I prefer elven mage though. That was my very first choice. I made a human because of the "Amell" thing.
I think the dwarven noble and city elf origin were the best. Maybe I'll do DN again someday, because I used her for my really, really evil playthrough, so she ended up with most party members dead and no love interest. Not the most cozy thing to do, haha.


Am I the only one who likes default Hawke? I changed his hair and hair color, and eyes, and I think he looks kinda cool. :P And there is seven years of age difference between Hawke and his siblings, so although he still looks too old for his age in the start of the game, I think it's possible in the later acts for him to look like that. He doesn't have an easy life after all.

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Staarbux wrote...

Ugh I'm back to feeling nervous about ME3... I promised myself I wouldn't get angsty about the extended ending like I did with the real ending...and yet I'm a few hours away from downloading and have that 'omg it's going to suck' feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Why. Must. I. Care??


Great, now you've got me worried, Staar :?

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I admit the height thing is part of the reason why I don't romance Zev with my human wardens. I own up to being shallow!  I like my LIs to be roughly the same height or taller. I further admit I think it's cute that the dog is almost the same height as my elf wardens in dialogue cut scenes.

I get disturbed at how huge dwarf hands look so they never get passed Ostagar.

sorry for barging in I'm trying to avoid EC spoilers and realised it's been ages since I've been to the DA forums.

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Great, now you've got me worried, Staar :?


Sorry hon. Having read the threads, something I REALLY wanted to happen clearly hasn't so I'm in a bit of a funk already. :crying:

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Gotta question and didn't know where I should post it since many threads are dead for days on end.

It's about Varric....

Is he extremely rich and hiding his wealth? I was thinking about this in relation to him selling Bartrand's estate. Surely, that mansion must be worth a small fortune (minus the haunting). I assume Varric would be the one profiting from the sell? Also, he seems to pay people off to keep Anders safe and I suspect, though it is never said, Fenris safe.

Also, Varric says something to Fenris about taking a job and that it would keep the Coterie off of his back... what is he talking about? Are the coterie trying to capture Fenris?

Does anyone know any little known facts about Varric? I'm still intrigued by Bianca. I think I also read somewhere that Varric's family was dwarven royalty?

I'm fangirling and having Varric withdrawal and asking strings of questions without pauses. Help!

You know, if Varric had been an LI I would have had a hard time deciding between him and Fenris. Hair versus lack of hair. Such a dilemna!

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Varric remains much of a mystery. I don't think he is extremely rich, but has enough coin not to worry about it. How he earns it though... When Aveline asks him if he does anything, he says coin flows when he talks and when he shuts up, haha. The expedition and later selling the estate must have earned him a lot of coin, though. Hawke had enough to buy an estate, and Varric should have gotten the other half of the price they got for the treasure.

It seems possible that the coterie would be interested in catching Fenris when they find out he has a bounty on his head. Or maybe they are not pleased with him taking odd jobs around? Although Fenris is more mercenary and the coterie smugglers if I recall correctly.

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Varric's family was noble. House Tethras was a noble house until Varric's father (or grandfather) got caught fixing Provings. The family was then cast out of Orzammar. Varric was born up top.

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Yeah, I think Varric is extremely wealthy. Doesn't he have his own personal spy network? Plus he's pretty well known and has a lot of connections in the "underground," whatever that is. Not to mention Varric made out just as well as Hawke after the Deep Roads expedition (they shared in the profits and Hawke went from poor to rich overnight, which should tell you something about Varric's rise in pocket money) and he probably got his brother's share of the cut after Bartrand went mad/had to be put down, to say nothing of the sales cost of the mansion, so there you go.
 
Coming back to Fenris, who can say? I think it's one of those random conversation bites to give an indication that the characters have lives outside of Hawke, and just like with real life, Hawke doesn't always know what's going on.

When you think about it, Fenris is squatting in an abandoned mansion without paying any taxes or doing any upkeep (he has to ask some of Hawke's other companions to keep officials away), and still keeping himself hidden from the world, yet even he needs money to live on. Before meeting Hawke, he'll mention how he had to steal coin, work with shady people and hire swords to get by (heck, it's how he meets Hawke), and he doesn't exactly get a day job after joining Hawke, so one can assume he still scrapes by that way. Given his line of work, it makes sense that he would end up on the radar of the Coterie, but how is up to the player's imagination.

About a Varric romance: what's funny is I think Bioware was originally planning on installing a tiny little tidbit of a quasi-Varric romance if you chose the right options. I think I read somehere that if you didn't romance anyone else and consistently "jokingly" flirted with Varric, then at the very end, after Cassandra lets him go, Varric would meet Hawke outside. Hawke would say something to the effect of "Did you tell her everything?" and Varric would chuckle, "Don't worry, I didn't tell her about us..." xD

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renjility wrote...

Varric remains much of a mystery. I
don't think he is extremely rich, but has enough coin not to worry about
it. How he earns it though... When Aveline asks him if he does
anything, he says coin flows when he talks and when he shuts up, haha.


I kept wondering if Aveline was going to pay him to shut up ;) I was wondering if it was more to do with connectioins and blackmail. Hmmmm can't decide if Varric would blackmail someone.

It
seems possible that the coterie would be interested in catching Fenris
when they find out he has a bounty on his head. Or maybe they are not
pleased with him taking odd jobs around? Although Fenris is more
mercenary and the coterie smugglers if I recall correctly.


I remember in Legacy Varric said they were businessmen but he made it sound as if they didn't bother with actually hurting people. I wonder if Fenris was cutting in on their action somehow. Maybe working for Athenril?




Faerunner wrote...

Yeah, I think Varric is extremely wealthy. Doesn't he have his own personal spy network?


His elven urchins? ;D I think he does have contacts since he used one to help Anders. That guy he was talking to when Hawke walks in. That's why I got the impression he is looking out for Fenris too since he is suggesting he take some job we never learn about.



Plus he's pretty well known and has a lot of connections in the "underground," whatever that is.


Connections with the underground? There is a joke in there somewhere. :lol: I know...it's some sad humor on this end.


Not to mention Varric made out just as well as Hawke after the Deep Roads expedition (they shared in the profits and Hawke went from poor to rich overnight, which should tell you something about Varric's rise in pocket money) and he probably got his brother's share of the cut after Bartrand went mad/had to be put down, to say nothing of the sales cost of the mansion, so there you go.


Good point. I always forget that Varric got a huge chunk of that money too.

I love Varric  but why must he live in the Hanged Man? I'm not saying he should move in to a big fancy estate but something less noisy and smelly might be a nice change.
 

Coming back to Fenris, who can say? I think it's one of those random conversation bites to give an indication that the characters have lives outside of Hawke, and just like with real life, Hawke doesn't always know what's going on.


It would have been nice to see more of his life or at least understand some of the conversations going on around Hawke!

When you think about it, Fenris is squatting in an abandoned mansion without paying any taxes or doing any upkeep (he has to ask some of Hawke's other companions to keep officials away), and still keeping himself hidden from the world, yet even he needs money to live on. Before meeting Hawke, he'll mention how he had to steal coin, work with shady people and hire swords to get by (heck, it's how he meets Hawke), and he doesn't exactly get a day job after joining Hawke, so one can assume he still scrapes by that way. Given his line of work, it makes sense that he would end up on the radar of the Coterie, but how is up to the player's imagination.


My imagination is a scary place. Have you ever noticed that Hawke seems to be attracted to homeless men? The other thing I noticed is that all the women have or had positions of import. Isabela, a ship's captain, Aveline in the army and then guard captain, Merrill training to be the first and so on. But... Fenris and Anders from what I understand really the same cannot be said for them. Sometimes I look at the two male love interests and think they have never matured. I don't mean that in a bad way. It comes across that way to me especially when they argue. It's like two bickering children.

About a Varric romance: what's funny is I think Bioware was originally planning on installing a tiny little tidbit of a quasi-Varric romance if you chose the right options. I think I read somehere that if you didn't romance anyone else and consistently "jokingly" flirted with Varric, then at the very end, after Cassandra lets him go, Varric would meet Hawke outside. Hawke would say something to the effect of "Did you tell her everything?" and Varric would chuckle, "Don't worry, I didn't tell her about us..." xD


Oh yeah, I remember reading that too! I was so bummed when I found out they didn't include it :( Did you ever get any flirt options for Varric? I did once and then I think they released a patch and you could no longer flirt with him :/ Why do they deny me my dwarven chest hair! Have to admit that I'd rather romance Varric as a fiesty dwarven woman than a human. I love Hawke, but I wish we could have chosen our race. Maybe Varric LI for DA3! :D