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[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

My imagination is a scary place. Have you ever noticed that Hawke seems to be attracted to homeless men? The other thing I noticed is that all the women have or had positions of import. Isabela, a ship's captain, Aveline in the army and then guard captain, Merrill training to be the first and so on. But... Fenris and Anders from what I understand really the same cannot be said for them. Sometimes I look at the two male love interests and think they have never matured. I don't mean that in a bad way. It comes across that way to me especially when they argue. It's like two bickering children.

I think this is a great point.  Look at the other great rivalry between companions: Isabela and Aveline.  They go through thier ups and downs, call each other terrible things, and nearly come to blows at least twice.  But they get over their differences and even become close friends.  

Why does this not happen between Fenris and Anders?  I hate to say it, because I do like him quite a bit, but I feel the fault lies with Anders.  Fenris is the more damaged one ... that is NOT to say that Anders hasn't suffered greaty (and certainly his current state with Justice is a difficult thing to comprehend and suffer).  But even despite his being quite emotionally crippled, Fenris is able to form friendships with other people, including Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, and Varric.  The only person Anders connects with is Varric, and that's because Varric befriends just about everyone (he never really warms to Sebastian, though).  There are a few baners when Fenris actually initiates conversation and is quite (albeit cautiously) friendly, but Anders' response is unnecessarily harsh. 

But before I rip poor Anders up too much I do think a big part of his unfriendliness can be blamed on Justice.  I really really really hope there is a way to separate Justice from Anders in DA3.  Anders is such a wonderful guy WITHOUT Justice, a jokester, a lover, a healer, a loyal friend.  Pre-Justice Anders would have teased Fenris up and down, similar to Isabela, methinks ... not lashed out and mocked him for his past as a slave.  

And although Fenris' hatred of mages is irrational, it seems like all of the companions can understand him and forgive him ... except Anders.  Fenris even refuses to turn Anders in to the templars ... sure, partly for Hawke's sake, but also because Fenris is not the type of person to turn someone in to the authorities just because.

Honestly, their relationship just frustrates me. 

[Gamergirl32]

[quote]aldien wrote...

Oh yeah, I remember reading that too! I was so bummed when I found out they didn't include it Did you ever get any flirt options for Varric? I did once and then I think they released a patch and you could no longer flirt with him :/ Why do they deny me my dwarven chest hair! Have to admit that I'd rather romance Varric as a fiesty dwarven woman than a human. I love Hawke, but I wish we could have chosen our race. Maybe Varric LI for DA3! [/quote]

I think you can flirt, but it's never treated "seriously" the way it is with other characters. (I don't remember if you get the official heart icon or not.) As you said too, it doesn't really seem to go anywhere, which is sad.

Oh, to this day I regret not having race options for DA2. Just imagine how being a dwarf would change the Champion's relationship with Varric? Or being an elf for Fenris and Merrill! (I think someone posted how they could see a short elven woman "giving Fenris hell" or something like that shortly before I stopped lurking, and am I the only one that can see a down-to-earth, street-wise city elf being sweet with innocent, loopy Dalish Merrill?) Creators, I wanted to be an elf so badly...

It's too bad Bioware is stuck in this mentality that people wouldn't want to romance dwarves and so don't make someone as awesome as Varric an option. If they don't bring Varric back (though I hope they do), I hope they include more awesome guys and girls like him (and Sigrun!) in the future. Dwarves need more love.[/quote]

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Dwarves do need more love

i mean not many people could resist that
but in my opinion

even fewer people could resist THAT (me included)

Modifié par Gamergirl32, 27 juin 2012 - 03:23 .

[MissRedZelda]

Wow. Fenris looks so . . . pretty :-D

[Nilfalasiel]

aldien wrote...

My imagination is a scary place. Have you ever noticed that Hawke seems to be attracted to homeless men? The other thing I noticed is that all the women have or had positions of import. Isabela, a ship's captain, Aveline in the army and then guard captain, Merrill training to be the first and so on. But... Fenris and Anders from what I understand really the same cannot be said for them. Sometimes I look at the two male love interests and think they have never matured. I don't mean that in a bad way. It comes across that way to me especially when they argue. It's like two bickering children.

Nope, can't agree there. Merrill and Isabela are anything but mature. Having a position of importance =/= maturity. Becoming friends with someone =/= maturity. Merrill is terminally naïve and, until life forces her to reconsider, foolishly heedless. That's not maturity. In fact, part of the reason why I could never romance her is that she never feels like an adult to me. Isabela takes everything as a joke, and, despite being made out to be kinder and more mature because of her relationship with Hawke (romantic or not; then again, she does literally owe Hawke her life), she STILL considers dealing with slavers just to get herself a ship, as late as act 3. Meaning that selfishness is still her defining characteristic.

I'd say Aveline, Varric and Warden Carver are the only ones who can qualify for the "mature" epithet in DA2.

On the topic of Varric, count me in the frustrated Varricmancers club. It would've been so much fun  Here's to hoping they'll pull an Anders with him and make him available for DA3. DA totally needs more dwarven love. And more dwarven women. Sigrun was

Hmm...this post needs some Fenris, but Photobucket appears to be down  I'll add some later.

EDIT: Here we go: boat ride to the Gallows.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 27 juin 2012 - 04:53 .

[Dwarva]

I seriously need to take the Dragon Age 2 soundtrack off the office iPod. Every time Fenris' Theme get it on I get all weepy. It's bad enough when I'm conscious of the song but sometimes it happens and I have no idea why I'm all emotional til I sit back and listen to what's playing.

Yes I'm that sad...

Modifié par Staarbux, 27 juin 2012 - 03:48 .

[dracuella]

motomotogirl wrote...
I think this is a great point.  Look at the other great rivalry between companions: Isabela and Aveline.  They go through thier ups and downs, call each other terrible things, and nearly come to blows at least twice.  But they get over their differences and even become close friends.  

Why does this not happen between Fenris and Anders?  I hate to say it, because I do like him quite a bit, but I feel the fault lies with Anders.  Fenris is the more damaged one ... that is NOT to say that Anders hasn't suffered greaty (and certainly his current state with Justice is a difficult thing to comprehend and suffer).  But even despite his being quite emotionally crippled, Fenris is able to form friendships with other people, including Aveline, Isabela, Sebastian, and Varric.  The only person Anders connects with is Varric, and that's because Varric befriends just about everyone (he never really warms to Sebastian, though).  There are a few baners when Fenris actually initiates conversation and is quite (albeit cautiously) friendly, but Anders' response is unnecessarily harsh. 

But before I rip poor Anders up too much I do think a big part of his unfriendliness can be blamed on Justice.  I really really really hope there is a way to separate Justice from Anders in DA3.  Anders is such a wonderful guy WITHOUT Justice, a jokester, a lover, a healer, a loyal friend.  Pre-Justice Anders would have teased Fenris up and down, similar to Isabela, methinks ... not lashed out and mocked him for his past as a slave.  

And although Fenris' hatred of mages is irrational, it seems like all of the companions can understand him and forgive him ... except Anders.  Fenris even refuses to turn Anders in to the templars ... sure, partly for Hawke's sake, but also because Fenris is not the type of person to turn someone in to the authorities just because.

Honestly, their relationship just frustrates me. 

 
I agree on this, so very, very much. The hostility he has towards Fenris is just too much. While you can understand where he comes from with Fenris being as anti-mage as he is, Anders lashes out far more viciously than I think is reasonable. It feels as if they've taken what I would have considered the proper amount of resent and twisted the knob all the way up to 100+.
This is also why I'm having so much trouble romancing him. I really want to try but he just seems to pull away from everybody in a way that seems so artificial. Even if you intended to do what he does, you don't alienate yourself from your friends for that many years. And then there is his constant whining about the injustice mages suffer. I know they suffer and I agree about the unfairness of the Templars but come on! I play a mage, I know all this, I'm not blind! Just because I was never in the Circle doesn't mean I don't see and feel it (not that there are many reprisals against a mage running around in Kirkwall, mind).

The worst part is I still love him to bits, our Anders dearest. I look at him and behind all the raging and fretting I see a glimpse of who he once was, that carefree rogue of a mage from Awakening and it just breaks my heart that he has changed so much. That's why I can never.. well, you know.. in act 3 

Staarbux wrote...
I seriously need to take the Dragon Age 2 soundtrack off the office iPod. Every time Fenris' Theme get it on I get all weepy. It's bad enough when I'm conscious of the song but sometimes it happens and I have no idea why I'm all emotional til I sit back and listen to what's playing. 
Yes I'm that sad...

 
Haha welcome to the club  I can't stop listening to the soundtrack and everytime the Fenris' Theme comes on, I stop what I'm doing and just sit and listen and pine away. It's horrible to be that easily affected by music. And Fenris <3

Modifié par dracuella, 27 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[MissRedZelda]

 I think it's a weird yet wonderful thing that he (and the Hawkes) are the only characters that have their own musical themes. And he can be easily passed by due to the quest to recruit him is only optional. Oh, and his theme plays heavily in the song "Mage Pride".
Irony? 

[CuriousArtemis]

MissRedZelda wrote...

 I think it's a weird yet wonderful thing that he (and the Hawkes) are the only characters that have their own musical themes. And he can be easily passed by due to the quest to recruit him is only optional. Oh, and his theme plays heavily in the song "Mage Pride".
Irony? 

But doesn't Merrill have that sort of dopey, cute music ... like when you first drop her off at the alienage? (I know that song well because once my game screwed up and the song WOULDN'T STOP until I left Lowtown.)  I always thought of that as her theme, but I guess it didn't make it to the OST.

And the song that plays when you meet Isabela ... doesn't it also play during her romance scene?

dracuella ~ I know, as awful as he is, I still love Andy-poo, and even giving him a different face wasn't enough to let me kill him. But like you, I'm having a hard time romancing him this time around for some reason...

[MissRedZelda]

motomotogirl wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

 I think it's a weird yet wonderful thing that he (and the Hawkes) are the only characters that have their own musical themes. And he can be easily passed by due to the quest to recruit him is only optional. Oh, and his theme plays heavily in the song "Mage Pride".
Irony? 

But doesn't Merrill have that sort of dopey, cute music ... like when you first drop her off at the alienage? (I know that song well because once my game screwed up and the song WOULDN'T STOP until I left Lowtown.)  I always thought of that as her theme, but I guess it didn't make it to the OST.

And the song that plays when you meet Isabela ... doesn't it also play during her romance scene?

dracuella ~ I know, as awful as he is, I still love Andy-poo, and even giving him a different face wasn't enough to let me kill him. But like you, I'm having a hard time romancing him this time around for some reason...

Really? We they must have not made much of an impression on me, cos I don't remember them. Plus, they aren't on the soundtrack.

Fenris', however, is. And I loves it! 

[Dutchess]

I recall the theme that plays during Isabela's introduction and love scene, but it is a melody that also plays during some fights, so it's not reserved for her, unlike Fenris' theme. I think you hear it when you fight in the Hanged Man.

I find this one so adorable!

by criz

[Dwarva]

I love that one too. My absolute favourite Fenris image evar is:



Purely because, for some reason, the way it's drawn really reflects his voice? Maybe I'm nuts but the way it's drawn I can absolutely see the situation and hear the 'no' in his gravely tones.



Also - totally unrelated - what does an 'Anderfel' accent sound like? Has it been established? Just finishing Asunder and someone is mentioned as having an Ander accent...

Modifié par Staarbux, 28 juin 2012 - 11:36 .

[Dutchess]

Yeah, that image is great too, haha. I love Hawke's face there. xD

I don't think we've ever heard someone from the Anderfels. Anders is from there but sounds Fereldan.

[Nilfalasiel]

renjility wrote...

Yeah, that image is great too, haha. I love Hawke's face there. xD

I don't think we've ever heard someone from the Anderfels. Anders is from there but sounds Fereldan.

Lol, reverse puppy eyes!

As for an Ander accent, the Codex description and Anders' blondness always made me think of it as German-sounding.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

As for an Ander accent, the Codex description and Anders' blondness always made me think of it as German-sounding.

Yeah, or I have also heard it described as the Fereldan version of Russia?

Either way, both accents are sexy 

Yeah, true, the Isabela intro and romance song does play during the Hanged Man fight scene.  I love that scene because it took me a couple playthroughs to realize Isabela and Varric casually join in on the fight.

[Dwarva]

Interesting re: the accent. Thanks guys.

[Dutchess]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

renjility wrote...

Yeah, that image is great too, haha. I love Hawke's face there. xD

I don't think we've ever heard someone from the Anderfels. Anders is from there but sounds Fereldan.

Lol, reverse puppy eyes!

And Fenris resists them too... 

[dracuella]

Speaking of accents, what is Rivaini supposed to sound like? Because Isabela is Rivaini I always assumed Spanish/Italian but she speaks very proper English. Also Zevran is the one with the Hispanic accent so I don't know anymore.

[Dwarva]

I always assumed it was sort of Spanish sounding as that's what Castillon sounds like but just looked at the wiki and Castillon is Antivan....so I'm stumped too. The only other Rivaini is Duncan....who also sounds Fereldan.

[CuriousArtemis]

Well, if we hear more from Rivain and the Anderfels and places like that, we'll probably be introduced to a distinct accent. Remember how the Dalish had American accents in DA:O but were finally more well-defined as a people in DA2.

[Nilfalasiel]

motomotogirl wrote...

Well, if we hear more from Rivain and the Anderfels and places like that, we'll probably be introduced to a distinct accent. Remember how the Dalish had American accents in DA:O but were finally more well-defined as a people in DA2.

I'm not entirely sure that arbitrarily assigning them all a Welsh accent qualifies as added cultural definition...The fact that they had American accents in DAO already set them apart from the rest of Ferelden, who spoke with a British accent.

So why change it to Welsh?

EDIT: Wait, I take that back. Forgot about the dwarves.

Still, the point remains that the simple fact of sticking a Welsh accent on them doesn't do much for their cultural depth, IMO.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 28 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[CuriousArtemis]

No, that's a good point. Plus half of them have Irish and Scottish accents instead of Welsh! But it's clear the devs were trying to make them a more distinct people, and they chose to do that (perhaps unsuccessfully) by giving them the Welsh accent.

P.S. No worries, I'm also not silly enough to think of American as the "default" accent, but I think it often is for BW because BW is an American company and so most readily available VAs (especially the non-big names) are American.

[MissRedZelda]

dracuella wrote...

Speaking of accents, what is Rivaini supposed to sound like? Because Isabela is Rivaini I always assumed Spanish/Italian but she speaks very proper English. Also Zevran is the one with the Hispanic accent so I don't know anymore.

For a while, I thought Antiva was supposed to be fantasy counterpart Spain. But reading the codex, it sounds more Venitian. I think Antiva is more Italy than Spain. Plus, he doesn't sound Hispanic. I have some Hispanic friends in America who I talk to over Skype, and they don't sound anything like Zevran. Zevran sounds more Italian, IMHO.

I would say Rivaini is maybe Spain/Portugal/Morocco? Isabela does sail around a lot. Maybe she picked up the Rereldan accent along the way?

EDIT: Guys . . . I don't think I can lonv Mr. Emery anyore than I already do after finding out about this! 

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 29 juin 2012 - 12:53 .

[dracuella]

MissRedZelda wrote...

dracuella wrote...

Speaking of accents, what is Rivaini supposed to sound like? Because Isabela is Rivaini I always assumed Spanish/Italian but she speaks very proper English. Also Zevran is the one with the Hispanic accent so I don't know anymore.

For a while, I thought Antiva was supposed to be fantasy counterpart Spain. But reading the codex, it sounds more Venitian. I think Antiva is more Italy than Spain. Plus, he doesn't sound Hispanic. I have some Hispanic friends in America who I talk to over Skype, and they don't sound anything like Zevran. Zevran sounds more Italian, IMHO.

I would say Rivaini is maybe Spain/Portugal/Morocco? Isabela does sail around a lot. Maybe she picked up the Rereldan accent along the way?

I would most definitely say he's not Italian judged by his accent; my Italian gaming compadres 'sing' a lot more when they speak English (ie. the pitch of their voices climbs and falls a lot more) so I've always ruled that out. Although he is just as flirty and charming as Italians, there is always that <3

I must admit, though, I don't have any Hispanic friends, I simply made the assumption from Zevran == Puss in Boots == Antonio Banderas... wait, I just googled him, he's Spanish. Not Hispanic.. that is, in the new meaning where Hispanic == South American. Right? I originally took the word Hispanic as meaning anything related to Spain but I guess I'm confusing myself now

So yes, as you say, Spain/Portugal is the best shot by far. It makes sense in so many ways and I suppose I'll have to temper my impatience and assumption making until we - as moto says - are introduced to Rivain as a proper place, not just something from the lore. It's just so hard, I really want to know