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[PizzaThe Hutt]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Question time, peeps!

So, if F!Hawke and Fenris were to have children, do you think the Lyrium running under Fenris' skin would increase the chances of their child being a Mage? How do you think Fenris would take it if that were so?

I don't think Fenris would take it all the well given his opinion of mages but I guess that would depend since some people romanced Fenris as a MageHawke.  Perhaps if FHawke were a mage he wouldn't mind as much and might try to be supportive, if Hawke weren't though...  Argh the possibilities, driving me crazy...

[AbsoluteApril]

MissRedZelda wrote...
do you think the Lyrium running under Fenris' skin would increase the chances of their child being a Mage?
 

oh, now that is a very good question. I wish I knew more about lyrium. hmm off to the codex...

MissRedZelda wrote...
How do you think Fenris would take it if that were so?

another interesting question. Hm. WIth my rivalmanced f!Hawke mage I am at a quandry. I honestly think they would send the child to the circle... depends on where the war stands and if they are still on the run. That Fenris, who understood not all mages were destined to be bad, would be accepting of a mage child.

The other f!Hawke templar supporting rogue o' mine, I believe Fenris would be dissapointed at  having a mage child, they both would actually.  (edit to add - however this Hawke doesn't want kids anyways.)

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Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 13 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I've thought about this for awhile before answering. And I think that when one's own child is born, all prejudices go out the window ... it's your child. Unconditional love is born. (Unless you are crazy lol) So I think Fenris would love this kid as much as any new parent would, and sending the child to the Circle would be out of the question (unless the mother was wildly pro-Templar and had persuaded Fenris to be that way, too ... not that he needs much persuasion, but you know what I mean. But then, unless she were nutso, I don't see Hawke giving up her child either.)

That's just how I read the characters, and I get that others read them differently

[SurrealSadi]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Question time, peeps!

So, if F!Hawke and Fenris were to have children, do you think the Lyrium running under Fenris' skin would increase the chances of their child being a Mage? How do you think Fenris would take it if that were so?

I think it might, if it doesn't make him outright Sterile. Remember, the Dwarves have lived with and mined Lyrium for so long, their fertility rates have plummeted.

If the Marian Hawke in question is a Mage, and has managed to prove to Fenris that not all mages are bad, then he will most likely be okay. Upset, at first, but okay. Because he knows Hawke was trained well for an apostate, and he knows Hawke will train their child as she was trained.

[dracuella]

SurrealSadi wrote...

MissRedZelda wrote...

Question time, peeps!

So, if F!Hawke and Fenris were to have children, do you think the Lyrium running under Fenris' skin would increase the chances of their child being a Mage? How do you think Fenris would take it if that were so?

I think it might, if it doesn't make him outright Sterile. Remember, the Dwarves have lived with and mined Lyrium for so long, their fertility rates have plummeted.

If the Marian Hawke in question is a Mage, and has managed to prove to Fenris that not all mages are bad, then he will most likely be okay. Upset, at first, but okay. Because he knows Hawke was trained well for an apostate, and he knows Hawke will train their child as she was trained.

In my headcanon he isn't upset as much as worried. He has seen first-hand how mages are treated and knows -despite always saying differently when Anders states so - that mages and slaves in certain ways suffer the same ill-treatment and lack of freedom. And which parent would want that for their children? Yes, he is still adamantly against mages but as moto said, you love your children unconditionally. And it isn't all mages he disapproves of, he is accepting of those that prove themselves in control of their powers. 
And of course there is my Mage Hawke. He knows how strong she is and how she, despite the odds, never turned to blood magic; knows that where he failed in the Fade and gave in to the alluring offers of the pride demon she stood tall and fought it. 

No in my story, Fenris knows that any mage child he and Hawke produce will be stong and just and given the convictions of parents who have seen the worst of the world and come out on the other side better from it. 

[Dwarva]

motomotogirl wrote...

I've thought about this for awhile before answering. And I think that when one's own child is born, all prejudices go out the window ... it's your child. Unconditional love is born. (Unless you are crazy lol) So I think Fenris would love this kid as much as any new parent would, and sending the child to the Circle would be out of the question (unless the mother was wildly pro-Templar and had persuaded Fenris to be that way, too ... not that he needs much persuasion, but you know what I mean. But then, unless she were nutso, I don't see Hawke giving up her child either.)

That's just how I read the characters, and I get that others read them differently

This is how I see it. Or damned close anyway.

[Dutchess]

The markings probably don't increase the chance for a mage child, but Fenris' sister is a mage, so magic does run in his family, as it does in Hawke's, so all in all they have a pretty big chance of getting a baby with magical abilities.

I don't think Fenris would be disappointed with a mage child. He will need time to completely accept it perhaps, but I'm sure the love for his child would win it from all his past experiences, just like with a romanced mage Hawke. That Fenris can fall in love with a mage and accept it says enough, I believe. I very much doubt he would want to send his child to the Circle (and most Hawkes probably won't agree with that either).

[dracuella]

On the topic of mages and mage children, I've wondered how something as abstract as magic could 'run in a family'. I always found it a bit unrealistic (if you can talk about realism in that regard) that it should be a genetic trait since it's.. well, magic. Unless you start defining magic as something tangible and physical (drawing electricity from your body and thrusting it towards an enemy etc), I'm having a really hard time reconciling myself with the idea that magic is something we carry around in our DNA and are able to pass on to our children.

But on the other hand, if it is not in our genetic markup, where does it come from? If you believe in the concept of the soul, you could imagine something along the lines of a realm of souls waiting to be born or infused into a human body and that perhaps some of these are especially susceptible to the essence of magic and thus bring it with them into the body.

I don't know, it's Friday, I'm tired and overworked and while this is something I've pondered a lot (especially for fanfic), I'm still finding it difficult to relay my ideas to others. What do you guys think? Is magic essentially a physical phenomenon? If so, how do spirits and demons practice it? Am I (again) thinking too much into something I should just leave as is?

[PizzaThe Hutt]

dracuella wrote...

On the topic of mages and mage children, I've wondered how something as abstract as magic could 'run in a family'. I always found it a bit unrealistic (if you can talk about realism in that regard) that it should be a genetic trait since it's.. well, magic. Unless you start defining magic as something tangible and physical (drawing electricity from your body and thrusting it towards an enemy etc), I'm having a really hard time reconciling myself with the idea that magic is something we carry around in our DNA and are able to pass on to our children.

But on the other hand, if it is not in our genetic markup, where does it come from? If you believe in the concept of the soul, you could imagine something along the lines of a realm of souls waiting to be born or infused into a human body and that perhaps some of these are especially susceptible to the essence of magic and thus bring it with them into the body.

I don't know, it's Friday, I'm tired and overworked and while this is something I've pondered a lot (especially for fanfic), I'm still finding it difficult to relay my ideas to others. What do you guys think? Is magic essentially a physical phenomenon? If so, how do spirits and demons practice it? Am I (again) thinking too much into something I should just leave as is?

I think if something were to "run in the family" like magic, I think it would be more plausible that the mother were the mage, though I think it has to do with the time the child is forming in the womb.  You know how anything that affects the mother will undoubtly affect the unborn child like if the mother were to be around a lot of fumes of some sort or have something stressful going on or whatever, the child would be affected by it too.  If there were enough magic performed around an expectant mother perhaps magic leaves a residue behind and the mother unknowingly is affected by it, causing it to sometimes give the baby enough residue to be able to use magic too though sometimes the child has a higher immunity to it or isn't exposed to enough to make a mage?  I remember some of the short stories I've read that magic leaves a smell behind?  That's why I think it would leave a residue behind as well. 

I'm not really sure how that goes.  More mages in the DA universe are being born as the years go on, going with what the paranoid guy says in the tavern, "Must be the lyrium in the water" perhaps it has something to do with the upcoming events that will take place later on in the series. 

[Dutchess]

 The wiki says this about mages:

In Thedas, magic is a natural physical phenomenon such as gravity or magnetism. Some people are born with the ability to interact, control, and shape it.Magic originates from the Fade, the realm where Spirits dwell and humans and elves visit when they dream. As such, using it can draw the attention of the beings on the other side of the Veil, leading to an increased risk of demonicpossession if they're not vigilant enough. A possessed mage becomes a distortion of their former self, a twisted monster known as an Abomination that has enough power to wipe away entire villages off the map. And that's not including the darker sides of magic, such as Blood Magic, a school taught by demons, which has a long history of corruption, human sacrifice, and greed.With the proper training however, Mages are capable of manipulating the basic elements, such as conjuring gouts of flame and small localized ice and electrical storms. There are also spells that allow for the temporary reanimation of corpses and the draining of an opponent's life-force. More altruistic Mages can use their powers to help and heal, or summon benevolent spirits in times of need. Though they are ostracized to the point of persecution for it, Mages are key for everyday life in Thedas. They serve as its healers, scholars, scientists, and weapons of war.

The explanation remains vague, but basically a mage is someone with a strong connection to the Fade, at least that's how I undestand it. The existence of a magical gene sounds a bit silly, so I'm not sure how to explain why some people are born with this greater affinity to the Fade. Perhaps you can compare it with people who can see ghosts or auras in this world (if you believe in such a thing; I don't, but I think it comes closest to the mage thing). They probably don't have a "I can see ghosts" gene. It's unknown what allows them to see things that other people don't. Magic is just as elusive. A certain genetic disposition can probably increase the likelihood of it occuring, hence magic running in the family. In codex entries there is speculation more mages are born in Kirkwall because of a thin Veil, I believe? I think that's the sort of exposure that can increase the likelihood of a mage child, rather than just being near other casting mages. 

Ooookaayyyy, not much of a useful explanation, haha. Sorry, this is as far as my brain gets at the moment. But I think it's supposed to be much of a mystery.

[CuriousArtemis]

Well, what about the SW universe. There is something inside a person (of whatever species) that makes them capable of manipulating the Force. And it is genetic (I think). Same deal?

[Dwarva]

I think I need to slink back into the comfort of the Fenris thread. I’ve ventured into some other threads and don’t think my opinion is very welcome. I don't mind people disagreeing but admit I'm surprised how people think they can be so rude when they do disagree... 
I’ll just stay here where we generally understand each other and we all have a shared love. <3

[CuriousArtemis]

Awww *pets Staarbux* I hope none of my posts upset you. Sometimes when I am making a point I go into Teacher/Lecturer Mode and I will bold or cap certain points or sentences. It may look like I'm yelling but in reality I am lecturing LOL Which is not necessarily appropriate in a forum, when I am no one's superior, as opposed to the classroom, where I am basically their god and if they displease me, TOO BAD BRATS!

[Dwarva]

No honey. We've disagreed in the past but I'm pretty accepting of others' opinions and ALWAYS try and see from others point of view. So when someone comes along and just shuts your opinion down it kinda hurts you know? Ah well. I think I need to just grow a thicker skin and stop caring what certain people think on the internets

[Dutchess]

Staarbux wrote...

I think I need to slink back into the comfort of the Fenris thread. I’ve ventured into some other threads and don’t think my opinion is very welcome. I don't mind people disagreeing but admit I'm surprised how people think they can be so rude when they do disagree... 
I’ll just stay here where we generally understand each other and we all have a shared love. <3

Yeah, some people believe their opinion is truly superior and everybody else should see the light of their wisdom.

Perhaps a tiny, cute Fenris an cheer you up?


Prince-in-Disguise 

[Dwarva]

It totally does

Thanks darlin. Xx

[AbsoluteApril]

shamelessly reposting my own doodle since we on the Fenris/Mage talk : )
TGIF


started a new Hawke last night, male mage this time. Will Daedeth Hawke end up with Isabella as planned or will Fenris catch his eye?

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:20 .

[CuriousArtemis]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

started a new Hawke last night, male mage this time. Will Daedeth Hawke end up with Isabella as planned or will Fenris catch his eye?

Good luck *snort* If I want to aovid romancing Fenris, I have to purposefully NOT recruit him 

And what a coincidence; I started a new Hawke last night, too!  Milo Hawke <3 And although I am romancing Fenris, I DID put him in a new outfit.  That counts, right?!?!

EDIT: Also, Milo is a mage, so your doodle is amusingly pertinant and adorable 

Modifié par motomotogirl, 14 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Sorry to interrupt, but I found something funny that I've lacked to notice.

Replaying DA2 on a nice PC version, and I'm doing the quest where you get Sebastian in Act II. I think everybody knows the part where there is the Harriman that has the entire "felicitate me" thing going on... but when the camera flashed back to the party, I noticed an expression on Fenris's face that I had never seen before.



He's in the back. I noticed it and started hysterically laughing and spamming the screenshot button.

=Edit=

Linky so you can see better.

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 14 juillet 2012 - 03:56 .

[MissRedZelda]

Holy crap, I love that outfit your Hawke is wearing! Where did you get it?

And Fennie looks very . . . lost, or something.

[Dwarva]

Such a cute expression. Anders' expression is hilarious too (if you use him) - like he's looking for pointers lol...

Modifié par Staarbux, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .

[Dutchess]

Lol, Fenris is now scarred even more for the rest of his life, haha.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

MissRedZelda wrote...

Holy crap, I love that outfit your Hawke is wearing! Where did you get it?

And Fennie looks very . . . lost, or something.

That lovely outfit is by setiweb on the Dragon Age Nexus. It's the Orlesian Noble Light Armors (that is the 'Blue' set there-- I was using a combination of the 'Formal' and 'Champion' outfits because when I intially made this character, she had this entire holier-than-thou-pretty-lady-in-white thing going on. And then I remembered how much I missed snarky Hawke...), which DOES require you to have the MotA DLC.

Linky!

Staarbux wrote...

Such a cute expression. Anders' expression is hilarious too (if you use him) - like he's looking for pointers lol...

Really? LOL

Creeper!Anders, trying to find ways to lure Hawke to him with his magy wiles and outsider tips?

renjility wrote...

Lol, Fenris is now scarred even more for the rest of his life, haha.

Indeed. Sad that I have never noticed his expression there on that scene beforehand, though. I've played DA2 many times before, but all it takes is my first good run-through on PC and I'm noticing soooo much crap I missed.

Tempted to do one final reroll of the character for more screenies... and just to get her perfect. Not including, I did my first runthrough of Legacy last night, and I missed the gloves. I smashed faces, found most of the codexes, did the Altar of Dumat, figured out the power nexus puzzle... and I missed the gloves.

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:30 .

[PizzaThe Hutt]

Now I want a PC that can play DA2 on it I want to get mods for my game too, play on the xbox... Guess it's better than nothing! What is up with Anders trying to lure Hawke anyways?! Clearly Hawke shows no interest in him(if you leave him unromanced)

[CuriousArtemis]

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

Now I want a PC that can play DA2 on it I want to get mods for my game too, play on the xbox... Guess it's better than nothing! What is up with Anders trying to lure Hawke anyways?! Clearly Hawke shows no interest in him(if you leave him unromanced)

You can still mod your game on xbox