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[aldien]

Fleshdress wrote...

Oh yah I know that canonically there is nothing wrong, Still head canonically I start a rival playthrough with my male Hawkes and my head supplies a Fenris unknowingly pining for Danarius/a master again. Lol. I think I may have read a fic that had that too which certainly doesn't help. The rivalmance isn't bad, it's just ruined for me.  (I may do one anyways but not with my mage Hawkes.)

I wonder if romanced Fenris, after getting past his initial aversion to touch is rather touch starved? Certainly with what few scenes we get he is very all over Hawke/passionate.

*sob* Xbox live won't let me download witcher. I actually have to go buy the game from a store! I hate doing thatI Wanna play my game but my dog got sprayed by a skunk and then promptly came into my room to chill. It's kinda unbearable.

That up there. What you first said, yes that sentence. Trying desperately to put out of my mind now. Too bad they don't have a brain explosion icon on here.

I wonder if romanced Fenris, after getting past his initial aversion to
touch is rather touch starved? Certainly with what few scenes we get he
is very all over Hawke/passionate.

I wonder that often... too often in fact. I vote for touched starved! :wub:It's feeding time Fenris!

Well, at some point you will probably have to go to the store anyway. It shouldn't be a biggie. Although...  the one thing I hate about buying games from the store is when I have to ask  the salesman to unlock the cabinet. Gah, okay, yes that sucks.

He got sprayed by a skunk? Did the skunk have white vining lines?

Ghost, I totally love dysfunctional elves and often, ones who do not like humans. Fenris, Ioverth, Feanor and all of his sons. I guess I should have said play the game as a female elf, which would have been a nice optinon in DA2 too.

Modifié par aldien, 29 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .

[CuriousArtemis]

 I never do the rivalmance, not because of Danarius or anything, but it just feels too harsh.  Fenris has been through some serious sh!t; why you gotta make him fall in love with some jerk??   "But my Hawke's not a jerk!" Yeah, I know xD Still, the one time I tried to do rivalry, Fenris was just so upset and so shouty in all the personal conversations that I just had to load up an old save and replay the whole game and do friendmance instead.  I can't stand to see that guy unhappy.  And the rivalmance seems like a sort of "I hate him/her and everything s/he stands for, but yet I can't stay away from him/her" thing.  Yeah, you guys are right ... sort of like ... slavery, all over again.  It ain't right!

[Myrika]

Coming out of deep lurkdom for this (and I'm going to scuttle right back, lol!) but...

The Fenris rivalmance reminds me of how my husband and I argue about politics. We disagree on a number of things (and agree on others, like Hawke and Fen do about slavers in my playthroughs), but at the end of the day we still respect one another. Fen even says he respects Hawke's opinion in the third act reconciliation scene.

The hubby and I have been together for twenty years, and say "I love you" to each other every night before we go to sleep. To me, the rivalmance isn't about hatred, or abusing each other. It's two passionate people agreeing to disagree, but still walking away caring about one another.

If I were to tell him, "Mages? What mages?" and then suddenly back them up, it feels like lying to me. So, I let Fen see who my Hawke is and where he or she stands. In fact, I almost never leave him behind. He's moody, broody, sexy and angry, and Hawke loves Fen anyway, even when (s)he's getting yelled at in Tevinter.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah, honestly, I didn't like leaving him behind either just to "meta-game" the friendmance ... that's why I always cheat when I play now and bump his friendship up to 100 so I can let him b!tch about mages, but then he still loves Hawke in the lovey-dovey (not rivalry) sense when they have their chats together xD

Modifié par motomotogirl, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .

[aldien]

Myrika wrote...

Coming out of deep lurkdom for this (and I'm going to scuttle right back, lol!) but...

The Fenris rivalmance reminds me of how my husband and I argue about politics. We disagree on a number of things (and agree on others, like Hawke and Fen do about slavers in my playthroughs), but at the end of the day we still respect one another. Fen even says he respects Hawke's opinion in the third act reconciliation scene.

The hubby and I have been together for twenty years, and say "I love you" to each other every night before we go to sleep. To me, the rivalmance isn't about hatred, or abusing each other. It's two passionate people agreeing to disagree, but still walking away caring about one another.

If I were to tell him, "Mages? What mages?" and then suddenly back them up, it feels like lying to me. So, I let Fen see who my Hawke is and where he or she stands. In fact, I almost never leave him behind. He's moody, broody, sexy and angry, and Hawke loves Fen anyway, even when (s)he's getting yelled at in Tevinter.

That's an interesting point.

Lurkers talking to lurkers now At least I was lurking!

Okay, this is all just in my opinion. Please don't yell at me


But here is the thing that gets me with the Fenris rivalmance. I do find Fenris's anger sexy when it is not directed at Hawke and that smolder. But because Fenris has been abused, raped and basically subjected to torture that I don't think most people can comprehend, it's hard to for me, as a person, to watch him get upset at my Hawke. I don't want Hawke to cause him more distress or to make him feel like no one ever sees his point.

In the rivalmance I have  tried to imagine that they are two regular people having a disagreement, but they are not. There's nothing normal about Fenris's past or the circumstances in the game. People argue over shopping lists and bills, not slavers and mages. These are life and death situations and in those situations, I feel it is necessary for two people to be of like mind and for the most part in agreement.

A challenging partner... I just think it is a bad combo in this case. Ioverth, yeah now there is an elf that can
handle anything you throw at him but only because he has support. Fenris, not so much. He needs to feel someone understands. I think he even needs someone to agree with him. Being on your own for that long and without ever having any support, no it doesn't lend itself to a person who can continue to handle conflict forever.

Modifié par aldien, 29 juillet 2012 - 08:18 .

[Sealy]

aldien wrote...

Myrika wrote...

Coming out of deep lurkdom for this (and I'm going to scuttle right back, lol!) but...

The Fenris rivalmance reminds me of how my husband and I argue about politics. We disagree on a number of things (and agree on others, like Hawke and Fen do about slavers in my playthroughs), but at the end of the day we still respect one another. Fen even says he respects Hawke's opinion in the third act reconciliation scene.

The hubby and I have been together for twenty years, and say "I love you" to each other every night before we go to sleep. To me, the rivalmance isn't about hatred, or abusing each other. It's two passionate people agreeing to disagree, but still walking away caring about one another.

If I were to tell him, "Mages? What mages?" and then suddenly back them up, it feels like lying to me. So, I let Fen see who my Hawke is and where he or she stands. In fact, I almost never leave him behind. He's moody, broody, sexy and angry, and Hawke loves Fen anyway, even when (s)he's getting yelled at in Tevinter.

That's an interesting point.

Lurkers talking to lurkers now At least I was lurking!

Okay, this is all just in my opinion. Please don't yell at me


But here is the thing that gets me with the Fenris rivalmance. I do find Fenris's anger sexy when it is not directed at Hawke and that smolder. But because Fenris has been abused, raped and basically subjected to torture that I don't think most people can comprehend, it's hard to for me, as a person, to watch him get upset at my Hawke. I don't want Hawke to cause him more distress or to make him feel like no one ever sees his point.

In the rivalmance I have  tried to imagine that they are two regular people having a disagreement, but they are not. There's nothing normal about Fenris's past or the circumstances in the game. People argue over shopping lists and bills, not slavers and mages. These are life and death situations and in those situations, I feel it is necessary for two people to be of like mind and for the most part in agreement.

A challenging partner... I just think it is a bad combo in this case. Ioverth, yeah now there is an elf that can
handle anything you throw at him but only because he has support. Fenris, not so much. He needs to feel someone understands. I think he even needs someone to agree with him. Being on your own for that long and without ever having any support, no it doesn't lend itself to a person who can continue to handle conflict forever.

I can see why some people don't like him, truely. I mean he is my fave character and sometimes I daydream about Hawke throttling him! He is kinda a jerk in a "I am way to messed up to deal with this change/emotion/situation like a functional human being" way.
 
To be honest I see Zevran for the most part as an example of someone who has had an incredibly horrid past and used to to build someone who can still live some form of a "normal" life , and even he is pretty messed up and in need of healing. I see Fen's situation as much more severe then Zevs was and that's with just what we know of the five years he remembers, who knows what he went through before that. I imagine in a rivalmance Hawke is less understanding/patient. Everything comes to a fight point in which both parties are not willing to budge. Hence my preferance for friendmance now, Hawke is more willing to see Fens PoV and as time wears on Fen comes to see Hawkes.
 
I read this fic... now I have to go find it... about a rivalmance playthrough where Fen grows more and more irritated with Hawkes -"All mages should be free" *sets mages loose all willy nilly*- attitude until he finally snaps under his own fears, suspicions, and anger and kills Hawke in a less then sane moment. Which is kinda how I see most Rivalmances ending up. 

 I used to prefer the rivalmance, but now I see it as harmful, I don't see either side learning to changeor accept the opinions/trials of the other person, I think I recall one kinda hopeful line where Fen says maybe he is more to blame for his messed up self now then the mages are, though I disagree with him, but then he starts right back down mage hate road. At least on the friendship path you can imagine that Fen is being shown that not all free mages want to be magisters. Not counting how he treats Merrill and Anders cause he already sees them as fallen weak mages that will only hurt everyone around them. Which eventually is what they do... to be fair.    

[MissRedZelda]

For me, the rivalmance is good for helping Fenris to understand that not all mages are evil, power-hungry d-bags. I play as a mage mostly because of the awesome upgrade in battle system (it's a REAL upgrade for those, like me, who prefer playing as a mage), and the fact that I feel far more invested in the story, and can understand (key word: "understand") why the mages feel the need to rebel.

As for the matter with Fenris, while I can understand completely where his prejudice come from, I did not like how he would often go on in a tangent about how evil mages are WHEN I WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE! Just because he was abused severely by a mage doesn't mean it's right for him to assume all mages are like that. Which is why I don't see the problem with rivalmancing him as a mage (female mage, mind. My male hawke romances Merrill. Cos she reminds me of Tali). I've never believed in agreeing just to keep my partner happy, even though I really don't agree. Lying and false hope and all. To me, agreeing with him on keeping mages locked up (ie, friendmancing him in that way) is more harmful than the rivalmance path. If anything, I see it as a way for him to move on from his past, and accept that mages are people too.

*Cough cough* just my two cents.

And yes, Ioverth is a beautiful little elf man. How I wish my computer could play the game, and I could make a female PC who could romance him. Saskia seems like a good substitute, though.

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:11 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

We're back on the whole rivalmance thing again? Alright As someone who goes for that...I always play it as agressive hawke the first act then full on diplomat the second act, then a mixture of the two come third act.
Why may I ask? Ehhh over complicated response to show the trials and tribulations of their relationship added in with the stressful jobs of kirkwall, mother's death, quanri, champion status, Legacy...all that good stuff that contributes to shaping Hawke's personality and Fenris' interactions.

Now if i was to go with the whole "It feels like danarius' route I would be agressive rivalmancing like a beast....but sadly my hawke cannon has her as a closet cuddlebug.

[Sealy]

See and I see that bit as more of a story snag the his actual characteristic. I mean you go "Hey! Watch who you are talking about" and he seems to forget you or Bethany are mages. Actually all the characters seem to forget every now and then.

He says many times that he has no doubt that there are mages with good intentions, but that you can only offer a person so much before they break. Then of the three mages he ever really meets (not counting the countless bloodmages/abominations we kill in Kirkwall) two have already fallen to temptaion and the third is held on some sort of "Not a mage, better then mere mortals" pedastal. To Fenris I believe Hawke and Bethany are not mages past their first meeting and are simply Hawke and Bethany. I believe in the Gallows the first time you can say "You can't say all mages are corrupt" and he basically responds with "No but all mages can easily become corrupt and then they are unleashed of people with no ability to help/defend themselves."( << My interpretation) I think if we had a origin story that started in Tevinter... well I know most my elven wardens hated humans something fierce. hated the chantry that forced them down. It makes sense for a slave to a mage to hate all mages and the magic that gives them the power to rule over the mundanes for what magic has always represented in his life, a form of opression.

I have always shared Fenris' opinion of "considering all magic has done to me and my race I weep for your predicament" << I think. I agree that until elves are set free and given the same rights as humans the mages can wait, seeing as elves have been opressed much longer, and that those mages that are free are still opressing anyone they deem beneath them.

I like friendmance more cause he takes more responsibility for his actions, plus he seems on the whole a generally happier elf dude. Too bad that we can't really sit him down and really talk to him about his beliefs and help him overcome himself, instead we either get the "tell him he's wrong" (which he isn't), or "tell him he's right" (which he isn't) or crack a joke and avoid avoid avoid.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:10 .

[aldien]

MissRedZelda wrote...

For me, the rivalmance is good for helping Fenris to understand that not all mages are evil, power-hungry d-bags. I play as a mage mostly because of the awesome upgrade in battle system (it's a REAL upgrade for those, like me, who prefer playing as a mage), and the fact that I feel far more invested in the story, and can understand (key word: "understand") why the mages feel the need to rebel.

As for the matter with Fenris, while I can understand completely where his prejudice come from, I did not like how he would often go on in a tangent about how evil mages are WHEN I WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE! Just because he was abused severely by a mage doesn't mean it's right for him to assume all mages are like that. Which is why I don't see the problem with rivalmancing him as a mage (female mage, mind. My male hawke romances Merrill. Cos she reminds me of Tali). I've never believed in agreeing just to keep my partner happy, even though I really don't agree. Lying and false hope and all. If anything, I see it as a way for him to move on from his past, and accept that mages are people too.

*Cough cough* just my two cents.

And yes, Ioverth is a beautiful little elf man. How I wish my computer could play the game, and I could make a female PC who could romance him. Saskia seems like a good substitute, though.

There's no right or wrong answer here. It's all preference.

I usually play a mage too and I do understand why mages want their freedom. I feel like a hypocrite wondering around Kirkwall, living in a mansion and hanging out with princes and kings, while all my fellow mages are being oppressed in the gallows. *pets my little comb over mage, Sol*

But... when I play as a mage, I play as a responsible mage. No blood magic, no helping Merrill or allowing Anders to kill people etc etc. So, in my roleplay, when I come across mages who are messing around with demons I turn them in, no questions asked. They are the mages that give decent mages a bad name and need to be incarcerated. I try to look at each mage situation fairly. Feynriel is a danger to himself and others when you first meet him. He goes to the Circle first time around, but later I help him out instead of making him tranquil. Grey areas I guess you would call it.

It makes it harder to get Fenris's friendship rating up, but eventually I get there. He does make it bloody damn difficult. Unfortunately, the way the game plays, Fenris is often proven right in his assessments. I would have preferred it if a mage in their group, besides Hawke had shown him not all mages are bad, instead of imagining that Hawke proves that point. A wonderful Elven mage, not Dalish, perhaps alienage born would have been an excellent companion in my humble opinion, to be that example. Anyway, it's just a thought.

Modifié par aldien, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .

[Sealy]

aldien wrote...

That up there. What you first said, yes that sentence. Trying desperately to put out of my mind now. Too bad they don't have a brain explosion icon on here.

Ahaha, I am glad we don't I would use it in almost every post.

I wonder if romanced Fenris, after getting past his initial aversion to
touch is rather touch starved? Certainly with what few scenes we get he
is very all over Hawke/passionate.

I wonder that often... too often in fact. I vote for touched starved! :wub:It's feeding time Fenris!  

In my mind Fenris is a cuddler. Like my poor Hawkes wake up in the morning and have tingley asleep limbs cause Fen has cut off circulation.

Well, at some point you will probably have to go to the store anyway. It shouldn't be a biggie. Although...  the one thing I hate about buying games from the store is when I have to ask  the salesman to unlock the cabinet. Gah, okay, yes that sucks.

Yah, I am actually really lazy cause I work next to the store in the mall and my best friend runs the store. But I never remember I want the game till I am lying in bed wondering what to play

Modifié par Fleshdress, 30 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[MissRedZelda]

Just more evidence that the game was damn rushed.

But the thing is, is that the Circle in Kirkwall is as close to a prison as it can get - judging by comments from people in Kirkwall. Fenris' beliefs are, sadly, so very black and white, that it's a wonder he still chooses to stay with me even after his dept has been repayed. But what's really annoying is the amount of metagaming you have to do if you want to friendmace him as a mage fighting for mage liberation.(shakes head)

Aaaaaand, on the whole "who's suffered the most, mages or elves?" thing? To me, it's really six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both factions are shunned by society, simply for the crime of being born as what they are - you can't change the fact that you are an elf, and you can't change the fact that you have magic. Both are forced to live in seclusion in a Big Brother-esk system. The only big difference is that sometimes, City Elves can choose to go back to the Dalish, and they might just accept them back. Mages, however, sometimes spend their entire lives locked up in a tower, and whether the Circle tower is a good one is a huge gamble.

And really, being mistrusted is about the same as being hated. It just proves that Thedas a really s****y place to live wherever you go. It's for those above reasons why the Human Noble origin is my least favourite origin of all. But, when it comes right down to it, who you think deserves freedom the most comes down to your personal preference. I have the strongest feeling that at one point in DA3, they're going to give you a choice like this: which faction you think deserves freedom the most. A sadistic choice like this seems right up Bioware's ally.



>_>

I'd probably choose the mages. Probably.

[Sealy]

Gah, but the poor elves! Lol. I would choose the elves for sure. Bah, I would just raze that damned Andrastian religion to the ground lol. Then the elves and the mages can have their lives back. DA3 should be interesting hopefully they don't side line elves in favor of the mage/templar conflict. I honestly believe DA is a game meant for more then a trilogy, moreover sice the conflicts in DA:O and DA2 are entirely different.

Back to Fenris. I hope they at least touch on what became of him and Hawke I know they said that Hawkes personal story is caput but the epilogue in DA2 was so damn vague it was jarring. I hope if they cameo our Hawkes in DA2 the LI is either mentioned or with them. That would be nice. (also broken if Bioware import LI elf cameo pasts are anything to go by) I am looking forward to who our next male elven companion will be, so far Zevran and Fenris have been my fave characters in both games,

Modifié par Fleshdress, 30 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[MissRedZelda]

Well, I've always been a huge mage supporter, but that's not to say I don't care about the elves. I do. And there are some elves who can use magic, so it's not mutually exclusive. Neither are really worse off than each other, and they both suffer the same kind of hatred and discrimination. So really, it's kind of a dick move to take sides.

Buuuuuut, if Bioware forces that one you . . . I'd choose the mages. If things go right, the Chantry (not Andraste. I actually buy into the theory that she was a mage, and never intended for all the prejudice and discrimination to follow afterward. That's all the Chantry's doing, not hers) may fall and the lives of both would improve significantly.

[CuriousArtemis]

Fleshdress wrote...

Too bad that we can't really sit him down and really talk to him about his beliefs and help him overcome himself, instead we either get the "tell him he's wrong" (which he isn't), or "tell him he's right" (which he isn't) or crack a joke and avoid avoid avoid.

All my Hawke's are giving you the thumbs up on that one xD  *always plays dorky sarcastic Hawke's -- oh except my current FemHawke who is a diplo*

Mages versus Elves ... Elves remind me of people who are oppressed because of race where the race in power falsely attributes their "lesser qualities" to their apperance (they are dark-skinned and thus like the devil) and culture (i.e. they are heathens and thus hated by Yahweh).  And the Elves who go back to the Dalish are like the freed Blacks or escaped slaves who left England and America to found colonies in East Africa.  

Mages remind me of LGBTQ peeps; they have that "I was born this way" vibe about them; they are persecuted becasue they were born "different" from the "normal" populace.  Now if LGBTQ people could shoot (rainbow) mage spells at straight people that comparison might be more apt, but work with me here.

Anyway, regardless of how and why you are persecuted - elves, mages, historical black slavery, gay folks - everyone deserves to be free.  So I don't place one over the other, or say one needs to be addressed first.

Also, can I say that finding out that magic runs in Fenris' family was one of the most amazing twists in this game.

[Dwarva]

motomotogirl wrote...

Mages remind me of LGBTQ peeps; they have that "I was born this way" vibe about them; they are persecuted becasue they were born "different" from the "normal" populace.  Now if LGBTQ people could shoot (rainbow) mage spells at straight people that comparison might be more apt, but work with me here.

Oh man that made me laugh...sorry. 

Anyway, regardless of how and why you are persecuted - elves, mages, historical black slavery, gay folks - everyone deserves to be free. 

Absolutely. That's probably why I find Isabela's attitude the most refreshing when it comes to this kind of thing. She is asked if she mages should be free and just shrugs and says "everyone should be free". The matter of fact was she says it (as though it's so simple) just makes me want to schmoosh her with hugs. 

[MissRedZelda]

^^ Exactly. Her, Hawke and Varric seem to be the only three sane people in all of Kirkwall Everyone else is absolutely nuts.

[PizzaThe Hutt]

haha whenever something huge happened in Kirkwall I always had this, "Save the elves!" Kind of thing going on. I blame all those DAO elf warden playthroughs I do...

[CuriousArtemis]

Staarbux wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Mages remind me of LGBTQ peeps; they have that "I was born this way" vibe about them; they are persecuted becasue they were born "different" from the "normal" populace.  Now if LGBTQ people could shoot (rainbow) mage spells at straight people that comparison might be more apt, but work with me here.

Oh man that made me laugh...sorry. 

Haha  Well yes, and imagine a land populated and run by gay and lesbian folks; its a super fabulous land of rainbows and never ending dance clubs and gay pride parades where they pump YMCA and Madonna songs through the speakers and every holiday is celebrated with elaborate skits and drag shows ... THIS IS TEVINTER!

Imagine Fenris complaining about rainbows and drag shows ... omg how much more annoying would he be.  "You think they teach SLAVES how to crossdress?"  (Well, actually, I'm sure they probably do...)

This is like comparing Anders' or Feynriel's vision of what Tevinter's like to what someone like Fenris knows it's ACTUALLY like, haha...

[Sealy]

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

haha whenever something huge happened in Kirkwall I always had this, "Save the elves!" Kind of thing going on. I blame all those DAO elf warden playthroughs I do...

Lol, maybe thats my problem, 99.9% of my playthroughs have been elven. Even my mage playthroughs... Maybe if I am lucky and wish really hard Biowares next game series will come from the days of Arlathan and we can see what war was being fought from that Arcane warrior trapped in the gem. Or why human and elven architechture was in all those ruins together. I thought all that was very interesting. 

I have a confession. Sometimes in my headcanon Fens lyrium markings are not given to him, he is actually an ancient elven warrior noble - all the highborn elves back then had lyrium designs and were tall- who was in the long sleep and Danarius found him, the ritual was Danarius trying to pull the lyrium from his skin, not put it there... or sometimes that Fen was also a mage when he was younger and Danarius was afraid of how powerful he was and the markings are actually runes meant to supress magical talant.  *sigh* Actually most of my characters eventually have several backstories that are not canon. I obviously play this game wayyyy to much. But Fens lack of memory  is actually pretty fun to play with. Nothing is impossibly, highly unikely. but not impossible. (Okay fine, they are a little impossible)

[aldien]

Fleshdress wrote...

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

haha whenever something huge happened in Kirkwall I always had this, "Save the elves!" Kind of thing going on. I blame all those DAO elf warden playthroughs I do...

Lol, maybe thats my problem, 99.9% of my playthroughs have been elven. Even my mage playthroughs... Maybe if I am lucky and wish really hard Biowares next game series will come from the days of Arlathan and we can see what war was being fought from that Arcane warrior trapped in the gem. Or why human and elven architechture was in all those ruins together. I thought all that was very interesting. 

I have a confession. Sometimes in my headcanon Fens lyrium markings are not given to him, he is actually an ancient elven warrior noble - all the highborn elves back then had lyrium designs and were tall- who was in the long sleep and Danarius found him, the ritual was Danarius trying to pull the lyrium from his skin, not put it there... or sometimes that Fen was also a mage when he was younger and Danarius was afraid of how powerful he was and the markings are actually runes meant to supress magical talant.  *sigh* Actually most of my characters eventually have several backstories that are not canon. I obviously play this game wayyyy to much. But Fens lack of memory  is actually pretty fun to play with. Nothing is impossibly, highly unikely. but not impossible. (Okay fine, they are a little impossible)

I have to admit I am a bit sick of the mage/templar conflict. I would prefer something elf orientated in the next DA game, but from what I have been reading from devs, the tidbits they do throw us, it's going to be set in Orlais and it's still about he mage/templar conflict. Although, I suppose, it would be a great time for the elves to rise up while people are focused on that conflict. It would be interesting if the elves allied themselves with the mages.

Oh I love your backstory!

I *ahem* have to admit I always liked the idea of Fenris being my Elven overlord. LOL! Bad romance novel in the making, but still...

[Sealy]

aldien wrote...

I have to admit I am a bit sick of the mage/templar conflict. I would prefer something elf orientated in the next DA game, but from what I have been reading from devs, the tidbits they do throw us, it's going to be set in Orlais and it's still about he mage/templar conflict. Although, I suppose, it would be a great time for the elves to rise up while people are focused on that conflict. It would be interesting if the elves allied themselves with the mages.

Oh I love your backstory!

I *ahem* have to admit I always liked the idea of Fenris being my Elven overlord. LOL! Bad romance novel in the making, but still...

Bad romance novel, Pah. After Twilight and Shades of Grey being as popular as they are I don't think we really have to set the bar high to make it an epic romance novel. And when I say romance I mean smut, lol. I think if in the end Fenris can ally himself with mages all the elves can .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Fleshdress wrote...

aldien wrote...

I have to admit I am a bit sick of the mage/templar conflict. I would prefer something elf orientated in the next DA game, but from what I have been reading from devs, the tidbits they do throw us, it's going to be set in Orlais and it's still about he mage/templar conflict. Although, I suppose, it would be a great time for the elves to rise up while people are focused on that conflict. It would be interesting if the elves allied themselves with the mages.

Oh I love your backstory!

I *ahem* have to admit I always liked the idea of Fenris being my Elven overlord. LOL! Bad romance novel in the making, but still...

Bad romance novel, Pah. After Twilight and Shades of Grey being as popular as they are I don't think we really have to set the bar high to make it an epic romance novel. And when I say romance I mean smut, lol. I think if in the end Fenris can ally himself with mages all the elves can .

Well since firefox just deleted my well written reply and dear god it was since it took me 20 minutes....Ill try to sum it up with some key notes since I say it as Fereldan vs Orlais. (Loghain and his daughter Anora were inspiration for the piece)

Elves working for templars: Better armor, training and education, living quarters, rise in rank with family.

ELves working for mages: Dalish help, wetwork, hit and run on ration routes, spies in cities, learn more of their culture from dalish. I had more but again....**** you internet.

[aldien]

Fleshdress wrote...

aldien wrote...

I have to admit I am a bit sick of the mage/templar conflict. I would prefer something elf orientated in the next DA game, but from what I have been reading from devs, the tidbits they do throw us, it's going to be set in Orlais and it's still about he mage/templar conflict. Although, I suppose, it would be a great time for the elves to rise up while people are focused on that conflict. It would be interesting if the elves allied themselves with the mages.

Oh I love your backstory!

I *ahem* have to admit I always liked the idea of Fenris being my Elven overlord. LOL! Bad romance novel in the making, but still...

Bad romance novel, Pah. After Twilight and Shades of Grey being as popular as they are I don't think we really have to set the bar high to make it an epic romance novel. And when I say romance I mean smut, lol. I think if in the end Fenris can ally himself with mages all the elves can .

Those books give me the *shivers* and not in a good way. Smut! I love me some Fenris smut. Read it, write it, read it some more. Mmmmmmmmm Fenris smut. Since the bar can be set low, then I shall start penning Confessions of an Overlord's Mistress.

Ghost, you have the worst luck with technology sometimes. *kicks* Firefox for you, because I REALLY feel like kicking something today.