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[Ghost_Nappa]

^ I'll take that double whammy for mage elves and in female....now you got a triple sucks to be you.

Plus on the species wooing...Im sorta ok with it being a human female wooing the hot nonhuman guy...it just be nice if i can change the damn body type for her! *desperately wants my hawke to be pear shaped...dat ass*.
Or say...kossith female protecting her elven delicate flower. (gender stereotypes screw em!)
(also Aldy if you do write that, I'll unabashedly read it.)

[CuriousArtemis]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

 Plus on the species wooing...Im sorta ok with it being a human female wooing the hot nonhuman guy...it just be nice if i can change the damn body type for her! *desperately wants my hawke to be pear shaped...dat ass*.
Or say...kossith female protecting her elven delicate flower. (gender stereotypes screw em!)
(also Aldy if you do write that, I'll unabashedly read it.)

Now have awesome image of huge lovely kossith woman squeezing her honey, Fenris' feet about a foot off the ground, a helpless look on his face as he looks at the camera and says, "Help."

Yeah I would love to be able to tweak body size and shape.  Maybe that's why playing as a female dwarf was so comforting.  They aren't built like Amazons (humans) or super models (elves).

Also would like DudeHawke to not look like a body builder in pretty much every outfit I put him in except the Dragonhide Mantle of the Predator.  

[PizzaThe Hutt]

motomotogirl wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

 Plus on the species wooing...Im sorta ok with it being a human female wooing the hot nonhuman guy...it just be nice if i can change the damn body type for her! *desperately wants my hawke to be pear shaped...dat ass*.
Or say...kossith female protecting her elven delicate flower. (gender stereotypes screw em!)
(also Aldy if you do write that, I'll unabashedly read it.)

Now have awesome image of huge lovely kossith woman squeezing her honey, Fenris' feet about a foot off the ground, a helpless look on his face as he looks at the camera and says, "Help."

Yeah I would love to be able to tweak body size and shape.  Maybe that's why playing as a female dwarf was so comforting.  They aren't built like Amazons (humans) or super models (elves).

Also would like DudeHawke to not look like a body builder in pretty much every outfit I put him in except the Dragonhide Mantle of the Predator.  

Gah I would love to further change the appearance of the PC, like weight, height, body type, hair length.  Though to be honest the different body types of women might be a little harder since there are a bunch of differrent types.  You'd think graphics-wise, it would be fine since they seemed to be going in a The Sims 3 style for DA2

[Ghost_Nappa]

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

 Plus on the species wooing...Im sorta ok with it being a human female wooing the hot nonhuman guy...it just be nice if i can change the damn body type for her! *desperately wants my hawke to be pear shaped...dat ass*.
Or say...kossith female protecting her elven delicate flower. (gender stereotypes screw em!)
(also Aldy if you do write that, I'll unabashedly read it.)

Now have awesome image of huge lovely kossith woman squeezing her honey, Fenris' feet about a foot off the ground, a helpless look on his face as he looks at the camera and says, "Help."

Yeah I would love to be able to tweak body size and shape.  Maybe that's why playing as a female dwarf was so comforting.  They aren't built like Amazons (humans) or super models (elves).

Also would like DudeHawke to not look like a body builder in pretty much every outfit I put him in except the Dragonhide Mantle of the Predator.  

Gah I would love to further change the appearance of the PC, like weight, height, body type, hair length.  Though to be honest the different body types of women might be a little harder since there are a bunch of differrent types.  You'd think graphics-wise, it would be fine since they seemed to be going in a The Sims 3 style for DA2

Pizaa as someone who is majoring in illustration and seeen way more nude female models than males, different body types is like a god send for me. granted all the details over clothing and hair leave me with little interest. Its the muscles, bone and fat for each type that fills me with treipidation or fervor to draw. Plus finding a good spot or bad spot to challenge yourself helps.

So for body types I say bring em on!...its gonn be all that BS accesorizing that'll kill me. (im just a plan solid color shirt and jeans gal)

[PizzaThe Hutt]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

PizzaThe Hutt wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Now have awesome image of huge lovely kossith woman squeezing her honey, Fenris' feet about a foot off the ground, a helpless look on his face as he looks at the camera and says, "Help."

Yeah I would love to be able to tweak body size and shape.  Maybe that's why playing as a female dwarf was so comforting.  They aren't built like Amazons (humans) or super models (elves).

Also would like DudeHawke to not look like a body builder in pretty much every outfit I put him in except the Dragonhide Mantle of the Predator.  

Gah I would love to further change the appearance of the PC, like weight, height, body type, hair length.  Though to be honest the different body types of women might be a little harder since there are a bunch of differrent types.  You'd think graphics-wise, it would be fine since they seemed to be going in a The Sims 3 style for DA2

Pizaa as someone who is majoring in illustration and seeen way more nude female models than males, different body types is like a god send for me. granted all the details over clothing and hair leave me with little interest. Its the muscles, bone and fat for each type that fills me with treipidation or fervor to draw. Plus finding a good spot or bad spot to challenge yourself helps.

So for body types I say bring em on!...its gonn be all that BS accesorizing that'll kill me. (im just a plan solid color shirt and jeans gal)

That's the spirit!  I think my problem is that whenever I hear a game bragging that they have loads of customization when they don't...  I lost my train of thought but I think I was going to say something about dissapointment?

Anyways, I really really hope they have different body types for the next game!  I'm getting rather tired of seeing the same body model used for every man/woman/whatever in a game...

[aldien]

Faerunner wrote...

aldien wrote...

I have to admit I am a bit sick of the mage/templar conflict. I would prefer something elf orientated in the next DA game, but from what I have been reading from devs, the tidbits they do throw us, it's going to be set in Orlais and it's still about he mage/templar conflict. Although, I suppose, it would be a great time for the elves to rise up while people are focused on that conflict. It would be interesting if the elves allied themselves with the mages.

My thoughts exactly.

One thing that bothers me is that the mage/templar conflict so far has worn a human face. It's mostly human mages and human templars fighting each other, mostly human mages going "Oh, woe is me!" with maybe the occasional elf thrown in here or there, but the few elves that do show up are treated as having a terrible life only because of their magic; the game almost never touches on the race issues that would accompany the discrimination of magic.

Another thing to consider is that elves have a greater effinity for magic than humans, yet this is never explored in the story. Wouldn't having greater magic ability also mean they're a greater target for demons (because they want powerful hosts)? Maybe elves are believed to be a greater risk and so are treated more severely than humans, more likely to be killed during the Harrowing, less likely to be given greater possitions of authority within the Circle in case they go berserk later, et cetera on top of the usual human/elf subjugation.

Not to mention the regular implications of humans subjugating elves, non-mages subjugating mages, and all templars being non-magic humans while roughly half of the mages are all elves. The irony of human templars lecturing elven mages about abusing their power the way the magisters did when elves never had power over humans is also rich.

Minor characters like Eadric from DA:O and Sketch from Leliana's Song have touched up on how much it sucks to live with the double prejudice of being a mage and an elf in a non-magic shem's world, but I'd like to see their stories explored in the future. So far, all of DA:O, DA:A and DA2's companions have been either human mages or Dalish Keepers, and I want to see Elven Circle Mages' and/or Apostates' stories being told. 

If the devs HAVE to keep this stupid mage/templar conflict that everyone is sick of, they could at least explore the elven side of the conflict, because there are so many stories and implications not yet explored. 

Plus, I want to romance elves in the future AS an elf. Romancing the elven Fenris as the human Hawke was viscerally painful. I hated being addressed as a human, I hated addressing him only as an elf (Hawke: "It seems like a waste of a perfectly good elf." Me: "He's a person, not just an elf you racist b!tch.") and I hated being the human wooing the elf and not (possibly) the other way around. I like elves better and I want to BE an elf.

Fae!

Sorry I didn't answer your last reply. Crazy life atm.

the game almost never touches on the race issues that would accompany the discrimination of magic.

Good point as always.

Yeah, it's bad to be a human mage in the Circle, but to be an elf and a mage; I just couldn't imagine :/ It's like the lowest rung on the ladder. Though, I did read that mages in the Circle are a bit different. They don't have the same divides as the rest of society because they are all thrown in together, even the nobility. It would be interesting to see bullying within in the Circle, because I'm certain Elves would get bullied by other mages and definitely by the templars.

Speaking of elves and magic. I just had this heart wrenching scene go through my head where the templars come along and grab a Keeper and take them to the Circle. :/ *sobs in corner*


Wouldn't having greater magic ability also mean they're a greater target
for demons (because they want powerful hosts)? Maybe elves are believed
to be a greater risk and so are treated more severely than humans, more
likely to be killed during the Harrowing, less likely to be given
greater possitions of authority within the Circle in case they go
berserk later, et cetera on top of the usual human/elf subjugation.

Perhaps, greater magic ability might mean better resistance to demons. It's just a thought, but of course like you said, it might make them at greater risk for demon possession. I can't for the life of me ever see a templar treating an elf with respect. I just can't.

There is Orsino though. I have to throw him in the mix. He did have a high position in the Circle. Isn't First Enchanter head of the Circle? Now, how he got that high up is something of a miracle imo.

The irony of human templars lecturing elven mages about abusing their
power the way the magisters did when elves never had power over humans
is also rich.

There you have templar propaganda and the ever-present human racism blatantly evident. Elves taught blood magic, which is debatable, to the first Archon, therefore it is all their fault. I can just hear that from Meredith's lips. Nevermind, it was humans who caused the corruption in the first place.


Eadric

I have to be nerdy and say that is such a Tolkenistic name. Okay back to the subject at hand.

If the devs HAVE to keep this stupid mage/templar conflict that everyone
is sick of, they could at least explore the elven side of the conflict,
because there are so many stories and implications not yet explored. 

Can anyone say: slave revolt in Tevinter??? That's what I wanted to see and Fenris or any elf for that matter, leading it or at least having a hand in it. Orlais, uggg... I think it's just to appease Leliana and Cassandra fans. I wanted gritty Tevinter and very angry elves or elven mages grouping together and starting a revolution.  See, that's something to get your blood pumping.

Plus, I want to romance elves in the future AS an elf. Romancing the elven Fenris as the human Hawke was viscerally painful.
I hated being addressed as a human, I hated addressing him only as an
elf (Hawke: "It seems like a waste of a perfectly good elf." Me: "He's a
person, not just an elf you racist b!tch.") and I hated being the human
wooing the elf and not (possibly) the other way around. I like elves
better and I want to BE an elf.

I just want the choice of race. I like to explore it all. Chance to romance Fenris as an elf, Varric as a dwarf etc. That limitation needs to seriously be addressed. It becomes an interactive storybook instead of an rpg imo.

Did you hear the foreman on the docks speaking to the random elf dockworker during DA2? It cracked me up. The foreman keeps telling him what to do and always refers to him as 'elf'. He never addresses him by name. The dockworking elf says: Elf this, elf that, I will show him elf (something to that extent). See, that just proves they do not like to be called elf. Just like when the Quanari said 'human' it always sounded like an insult. So, yes, I never thought about it before, but Hawke calling Fenris 'elf' is really a racist insult. Hmmmmm I suddenly dislike that line now. I write Hawke/Fenris because that was the choice given, but I would have preferred a billion times over to be an elven woman in DA2.

Modifié par aldien, 30 juillet 2012 - 11:58 .

[aldien]

motomotogirl wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Too bad that we can't really sit him down and really talk to him about his beliefs and help him overcome himself, instead we either get the "tell him he's wrong" (which he isn't), or "tell him he's right" (which he isn't) or crack a joke and avoid avoid avoid.

All my Hawke's are giving you the thumbs up on that one xD  *always plays dorky sarcastic Hawke's -- oh except my current FemHawke who is a diplo*

Mages versus Elves ... Elves remind me of people who are oppressed because of race where the race in power falsely attributes their "lesser qualities" to their apperance (they are dark-skinned and thus like the devil) and culture (i.e. they are heathens and thus hated by Yahweh).  And the Elves who go back to the Dalish are like the freed Blacks or escaped slaves who left England and America to found colonies in East Africa.  

Mages remind me of LGBTQ peeps; they have that "I was born this way" vibe about them; they are persecuted becasue they were born "different" from the "normal" populace.  Now if LGBTQ people could shoot (rainbow) mage spells at straight people that comparison might be more apt, but work with me here.

Anyway, regardless of how and why you are persecuted - elves, mages, historical black slavery, gay folks - everyone deserves to be free.  So I don't place one over the other, or say one needs to be addressed first.

Also, can I say that finding out that magic runs in Fenris' family was one of the most amazing twists in this game.

If we must stereotype, I'd say elves are more representitive of Native Americans, for which I am a quarter, rather than African Americans or originating from Africa. They are pushed out of their homeland and scattered throughout Thedas. They are rightfully the indidenous people of Thedas, and their kingdoms, tribal land, what have you. has been eradicated twice. Those who go back to the Dalish are going back, in my opinion, to their  clans, tribes, but not welcomed with open arms, because their ancestors turned away from the 'people'.  My two cents. We can't know for sure what the elves represent, but that's my take on it. I guess I am biased. Perhaps it is more directed at Scotland. *shrugs* best not to guess.

[Ghost_Nappa]

^actually aldy that is a better analogy for elves in Dragon age one can think of. Especially when you equate the alienage to a reservation....its just out of sight, out of mind. Plus when you do visit one you cant help but be depressed without ransacking a state like its the lousianna purchase.

Now i really wish they dont neglect the important options cause we need elf warden and fenris leading a revolution.

[MissRedZelda]

Faerunner wrote...

I hated being addressed as a human, I hated addressing him only as an
elf (Hawke: "It seems like a waste of a perfectly good elf." Me: "He's a
person, not just an elf you racist b!tch.") and I hated being the human
wooing the elf and not (possibly) the other way around. I like elves
better and I want to BE an elf.


(Meekly) Though, to be fair, elves address humans as "human", Dalish call humans "Shemlan" (or "Shem" if they're feeling REALLY bitter, dwarves call all those on the surface "Surfacers" or even "human" and such. Most of them aren't simply insults (except for the Dalish. But then, thay hate anything or anyone that isn't one of them), just addresses. Kinda like calling a cat a "cat", or boy "boy" because you don't know their name yet.

Just how I took that line. I never thought of it as an insult. I've honestly seen Fenris as an elf with really think skin, so he doesn't mind being called "Elf" and teased a bit every now and then. It's what Varric nicknamed him, after all. Although I would have chosen "Broody" just to be a bit more imaginative.

And to finish off before class starts, I feel like I've in such a monority. I didn't mind having to play as a human. In fact, my favourite origin in Origins is the Amell Mage (second being City Elf. I would have liked the Dalish more if they had put a bit more "Oomph" into it. It felt really generic, but not as bad as the Human Noble). So . . . yeah, the strictly human thing in DA2 did not both me.

But I do have one question for all of you. What's so bad about a Human/Elf pairing? In some ways, I prefer it over strictly Human/Human and Elf/Elf pairings. To keep them all strictly with each other, it's that kind of backwards thinking? Hawke is a human, so what? Is it wrong that he/she can end up with Fenris? If anything, I think it's very progressive, especially in an age where thet two species are supposed to be against one another. 

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 31 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

you're not the only one red being human...I mean Im for elves leading a racial revolution, bu Im sorta on the line about playing as one. Im ok with being human because hell im used to it.....only thing I want to change is to fully develop my tailbone with an actual tail to hold my paintbrushes or pencils. Yet when I mention that in passing Im mistaken for being a furry....I just want an extra appendage to hold things!

But back to the whole class issue, your talking to someone who played the **** out of the CE origin when I could be rocking the casteless dwarf..why may you ask? Because gutting Vaughan like a pig and avenging Shianni, like a vengefule mother bear, wins me over, when I could be playing as elf mage.
But, nope, CE wins me over.
Every. Single. Time.

And no matter what IM sorta stuck with lady hawke as a human...if anything to change her race Ill be hollering for kossith over any other race. (imagines Lady Kossith hawke)

[MissRedZelda]

I know what you mean, Ghost. The CE is my second favourite (even better as a chick CE). When I reach Vaughan, I'm like; "B****, you violated my cousin! You die now. motherf***er!" And I kill him. and when I find him in the prison with my Female Amell Mage, I either kill him or leave him there to rot. It's rewarding.

But the reason I like the Amell Mage the most? I really can't say, but I guess it's because magic in the DA world intrigues me the most. I can't say why, but I've always been into the whole ethereal stuff, and how magic is handled in Thedas is the most fascinating part of it and is so natural with the fantasy setting.

Not that I'm saying mages are more important than elves, of course. Magic just fascinates me more.

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 31 juillet 2012 - 01:57 .

[CuriousArtemis]

MissRedZelda wrote...

But I do have one question for all of you. What's so bad about a Human/Elf pairing? In some ways, I prefer it over strictly Human/Human and Elf/Elf pairings. To keep them all strictly with each other, it's that kind of backwards thinking? Hawke is a human, so what? Is it wrong that he/she can end up with Fenris? If anything, I think it's very progressive, especially in an age where thet two species are supposed to be against one another. 

I don't think about race much in RL so I guess I don't think about it when playing the game either.  My canon pairs are Zevran x City and/or Dalish elf and Hawke x Fenris.  But I would definitely have a canon Alistair x Elf if the romance were available to boy elves.

I like playing as an elf more because they're cute.  

I'm shallow and I know it. 

[MissRedZelda]

@ Moto. For some reason, I like Zevran/F!Cousland a lot. Which is strange because the HNF is my least favourite Origin. But I guess it's really I don't like her with Alistair, because the romance feels so Goddamn cheap. There's next to no obstacles they have to overcome, and you can marry Alistair even if he hates you. Plus, he/she is a borderline Mary Sue/Gary Stu.

Ooooor... I'm just jealous of the fact that the HNF is the only one where you can marry Alistair.

And Fae, it seems like I've deeply offended you, and I'm sorry if I did. But, it's just my own personal opinion. I did not mind playing as a human, but you seem to have missed the part where I said that the City Elf is a very close second favourite Origin of mine. I also didn't say that I liked how they took race options out - I thought that was strange when I started up the game, but it didn't make me hate the game. I still enjoyed it (even if it felt horribly rushed and formulaic, and the Deep Roads was infuriatingly short). I'm sorry if I touched on a nerve, but I was just voicing my personal opinion. I'm sorry it's different from yours.

Fenris himself says that he's "Not made of glass". I think he would appreciate it more if Hawke and the other did not tip-toe around him just in case they say something wrong. He would prefer it if Hawke and co. treated him like he was just another person rather than an ex Tevintar Elf slave. Fenris does not appreciate being coddled, it seems.

[CuriousArtemis]

Cousland is totes Mary/Gary Stu. My first playthrough was M!Cousland x Zevran ... cause I wanted to make a hot guy. Yep. Shallow, remember?

Anyway ... I remember not really being moved at all. I mean he seemed motivated by revenge. He was like the fantasy version of Inigo Montoya. I felt no personal connection to him.

Second playthrough was Dalish x Zevran. Oh god I loved that little guy. I wanted to romance Alistair so badly b/c I thought that would be cute. But Zevran's not bad. He's a great character.

Then after that I played City Elf and loved that just as much.

I started a Surana playthrough but barely got past Ostagar.

I currently have a commoner Dwarf x Alistair playthrough going and another Dalish x Zevran just cause.

No, Fenris doesn't like being coddled. (ANDERS TOTALLY DOES.) He's prickly like that. He probably hates hugs or touching of any kind. Hates sentimental crap. He's sort of like me, only an elf. And a boy.

[Sealy]

motomotogirl wrote...

No, Fenris doesn't like being coddled. (ANDERS TOTALLY DOES.) He's prickly like that. He probably hates hugs or touching of any kind. Hates sentimental crap. He's sort of like me, only an elf. And a boy.

*Hiss* You just... just don't let my head canon hear that. Fenris lurves to be hugged and cuddled, didn't you know!

My fave Origin is Dalish, then City Elf. These is actually followed quite closely with my human male nobles. So much angsts! Plus I really like Zev with my human nobled, more so when I make them King.

[Dwarva]

motomotogirl wrote...

No, Fenris doesn't like being coddled. (ANDERS TOTALLY DOES.) He's prickly like that. He probably hates hugs or touching of any kind. Hates sentimental crap. He's sort of like me, only an elf. And a boy.

Yep I'd totally agree with this. It's why I tend to pair angry Hawkes with Fenris, Sarcastic Hawkes with Isabela and Nice Hawkes with Anders. I've never romanced Merrill but that's a whole other conversation.

I think Fenris would respond best to straight up 'this is how it is'. Further evidenced by his attitude to Isabela when they're getting it on:

• Isabela: That night...I can't stop thinking about it.
• Fenris: Well, then I'll see you later.
• Isabela: That was direct.
• Fenris: I thought I'd get straight to the point. Were you expecting flowers or something?
• Isabela: Don't be absurd.
• Fenris: Then I'll see you tonight.

I know they're in a purely physical romance, not a romantic, intimate one. But I suspect Fenris isn't the kind of person to do the flowers thing no matter the circumstances. Does he ever actually say he loves Hawke? I geniunely can't remember.


By *AvengersAssembling

Disclaimer: all of the above is my personal headcanon. Attacks not necessary.



Edit: Also in a purely unrelated MASSIVEINTERNETSQWEE my copy of The Silent Grove is on it's way from Amazon. The street date for it is August 7th so I didn't even bother checking the listings but have just looked and it's available for order. PURCHASED.



Edit2: Andraste's flaming knicker weasels.....now it's saying it's not available til August 7th but is showing in my order list as 'estimated delivery date August 2nd'. Meh....

Modifié par Staarbux, 31 juillet 2012 - 01:03 .

[Sealy]

I know all we see is the couple of scenes, wall smoochies/"tell me to go and I shall"/"if there is a future to be had"/"I couldn't bear to be without you"... in my opinion none of those really show a lean toward a "no touching me" Fenris. I suppose it can only be head canon-y for all of us what goes on outside those scenes but I guess in my head canon although he isn't overly PDA guy I imagine since he has never had anything to really call his own before Hawke that he also enjoys having someone he can touch whenever he pleases.

[helade64]

mmmm

[aldien]

Fleshdress wrote...

I know all we see is the couple of scenes, wall smoochies/"tell me to go and I shall"/"if there is a future to be had"/"I couldn't bear to be without you"... in my opinion none of those really show a lean toward a "no touching me" Fenris. I suppose it can only be head canon-y for all of us what goes on outside those scenes but I guess in my head canon although he isn't overly PDA guy I imagine since he has never had anything to really call his own before Hawke that he also enjoys having someone he can touch whenever he pleases.

By the way, Fenris does give Hawke a gift. It is sitting on her desk in the room with the big ugly statue of the old god, that Fenris hates, above the fireplace. If you click on the wine, Hawke will mention it is from Fenris. So... I think if he brought Hawke one gift there has probably been others. Don't forget that he doesn't have much money.

David Gaider stated that Fenris does want to be touched. He's lonely , wants love. Besides, they were obviously touching when they had sex. Hawke mentions the markings hurting and Fenris says: 'It's not that.' Trust me, if that man did not want to be touched you would know it. Also, somewhere in the back of my nether mind, I seem to recall David saying something about it being more of a reflex, but once Fenris gets used to Hawke's touch then he is like a big puppy dog and you can pet him whenever you please.

Definitely, head canon-y. Anyone who tries to say it must be this way or that can eat a big hairy worm, even the writer, if he tells me it must be this way with Fenris. Bah! Like Fae says: the imagination is endless.

He's a living, breathing being that obviously wants to be loved. Why would he not want to return affection? We see one facet of Hawke and Fenris's life and it is just glimpses. I have always suspected Fenris is a closet romantic to some degree with Hawke.

Anyway, Isabela is not Hawke and Hawke is whatever you want Hawke to be. Isabela and Fenris's relationship is a friends with benefits type thing. If you start bringing in thoughtful gifts then it can be misconstrwed into something else and that's when one of them would want to flee.

Fae said: Same here, that's why I write Elven!Hawk and Fenris stuff (so far
unposted online). The game may only give us a chance to be human,
but the imagination is endless. I may get saddled with a human
protagonist in the electronic game, but when I go to write some nice
fantasies online... no, I don't want to be constrained by whatever the
company decides to give me in that department.


Thanks for sharing the link to the poem! It is an extremely clever adaptation So.... where is the ElvenHawke and Fenris story??? I want to read! I feel so stupid right now. I never thought to change Hawke in an elf. I have allowed the game to pigeon hole me into one role. Unfortunately, I have two stories on the go with FHawke/Fenris that can't be restarted with an Elven woman. Will have to write that in private until Ghost bugs me to post my porn.

Ghost, yes I always felt the alienages were the equivalent of reservations and they are often overcrowded and well... there are tons of problems :/ Out of sight, out of mind. Plus, I also recall something about the elves getting ill once the humans came. It very much reminded me of Native American and smallpox.

From my daughter, Ellie: :wub::wub::wub::innocent: (she loves the emoticons)

Modifié par aldien, 31 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .

[Dwarva]

aldien wrote...


David Gaider stated that Fenris does want to be touched. He's lonely , wants love. Besides, they were obviously touching when they had sex. Hawke mentions the markings hurting and Fenris says: 'It's not that.' Trust me, if that elf did not want to be touched you would know it. Also, somewhere in the back of my nether mind, I seem to recall David saying something about it being more of a reflex, but once Fenris gets used to Hawke's touch then he is like a big puppy dog and you can pet him whenever you please.

Oh that's actually interesting to know....I've never seen that from DG. I admit I'm not sure what made me think Fenris was unromantic...maybe it was just the awkward way he can be around Hawke in public and a dislike of admitting about 'the puppy eyes' lol. Maybe I just projected how he is about Isabela, with Hawke? Something must have prompted it though because I've thought that since day 1...

[CuriousArtemis]

I meant that he's not for cuddles, not that he has sex with his clothes on lol Not romantic. At least not outwardly. If you're familiar with anime terms, I peg Fenris as a tsundere xD

[aldien]

Staarbux wrote...

aldien wrote...


David Gaider stated that Fenris does want to be touched. He's lonely , wants love. Besides, they were obviously touching when they had sex. Hawke mentions the markings hurting and Fenris says: 'It's not that.' Trust me, if that elf did not want to be touched you would know it. Also, somewhere in the back of my nether mind, I seem to recall David saying something about it being more of a reflex, but once Fenris gets used to Hawke's touch then he is like a big puppy dog and you can pet him whenever you please.

Oh that's actually interesting to know....I've never seen that from DG. I admit I'm not sure what made me think Fenris was unromantic...maybe it was just the awkward way he can be around Hawke in public and a dislike of admitting about 'the puppy eyes' lol. Maybe I just projected how he is about Isabela, with Hawke? Something must have prompted it though because I've thought that since day 1...

It was something along those lines from what i remember. My memory isn't great though.

I think, in my head, that Fenris has the potential to be romantic when the mood takes him. How often that mood would take him... well probably not often. I can only see him giving the occasional gift or perhaps a dance with Hawke in private. Can't see him making Hawke a dinner or writing poetry.

Interestingly, I noticed that everyone had given Hawke a present except Anders, lolol unless you count his manifesto a present. So... in the romance department, if you go by the game, none of them seem particularly romantic, except maybe Merrill.

Puppy eyes... Fenris wanted Hawke to hate him, so he said *rolls eyes at Fen) To have someone say that he is showing emotion for Hawke and is in love is not what he wants. Plus, Merrill said it and we know he feels about Merrill. But, Fenris also comes across as a bit emotionally immature to me, which is to be expected considering his background.

I think Hawke can be whatever you want Hawke to be and the same for Fenris. If you have seen Fenris like that from day 1, that's cool. It's your fantasy

Can a tsundere type character not cuddle?

But what if Hawke wants to cuddle?

Modifié par aldien, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:58 .