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[Sealy]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

oh you guys.. with your logic and 'facts' crushing my little head dreams lol just kidding, thanks, I must have completely missed or overlooked the comment Fenris made and the codex about it.

Yeah I don't really think Fen was ever a mage either, it just makes for an interesting idea/story. : )

Uhg, logic and facts! "Burn them with fire!"

I like How Fenris is pretty much a blank slate for backstory. I know I would love to get David Gaiders canon, but I like making up whatever I want too.

[AbsoluteApril]

haha! logic/facts - pah-shaw!

aldien wrote...

You should really submit your Kossith drawing to BW see if they will put it up on Facebook

oh! Ok, I went ahead and put a link in the fan submission thread below. that would be awesome if they liked it. I'm not on FB so if by chance anyone spies them posting it, please let me know.
I'm glad you lked the meme!

eek near TOP - here's a Fenris by Purple-Meow


And in case anyone missed this Black Shirts one by Avinna

[Amirit]

 I missed Black Shirts! And it's hilariously gorgeous!
While those who like feathers could look again at this: http://th08.devianta...rts-d3ab9a9.jpg

Modifié par Amirit, 03 août 2012 - 08:44 .

[aldien]

Oh I love black shirts! Too many delicious men to choose from all in one picture .

I was looking at all the small details in that picture by Purple-Meow. I absolutely adored the little drawing of Hawke and Fenris on the wall. Oh those ears. Hawke drew it! Had to and he probably scowled at it. The pictures on the window were wonderful as well. It's hard to imagine Fenris drawing hearts Best thing about the picture is the strawberries. I really want to grab one

What is it about Anders and Fenris and feathers? Actually, there are a ton of references to feathers in DA2. Who has the feather fetish going on?

[Harle Cerulean]

I think the single largest issue with the idea of an elven Hawke is that the entire plot and driving motive for Act I is that Hawke wants enough money to buy back the Amell estate for his/her mother, a fallen noble.

And elven Hawke 1) would not have a noble mother in the first place; elves aren't nobility, and 2) would not be able to purchase a Hightown estate. The roadblocks would be huge, even with money, and even if Hawke managed to overcome those (probably by paying double or triple the price of the estate), according to a Codex, elves who purchase property outside the alienage are soon driven from their homes by mobs.

In short, the entire plot of Act I would fail to work for an elven Hawke. It just doesn't make sense. I wish to god it did, because I prefer playing elves and would be glad to use the mod to make Hawke elven, but I can't ignore the plot failing.

If that doesn't bug you, more power to you, I suppose! It's just a massive sticking point for me.

EDIT: and to make this slightly on topic - yeah, I don't think Fenris would particularly have a problem with an elven Hawke, if elven Hawke was as awesome as human Hawke.  From my understanding, Fenris dislikes Dalish elves because he feels like they act smugly superior (and they do, face it) when they're no better than city elves, and he dislikes city elves because they meekly take the scraps humans throw them and bow to the bigotry they face.  An elf who acting neither way, like him, would earn his respect, I think.  I'd be interested to see what kind of relationship he and Zevran could strike up, if they didn't meet under circumstances that roused Fenris' possessiveness.  XD

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 04 août 2012 - 03:08 .

[Dutchess]

Faerunner wrote...

Amirit wrote...

Elven Hawk...Sounds logical at first but then.. thought about it too yet there are a couple of things (from the game and short stories) that shows Fenris is very unlikely can be interested in elf. He despises those "free elves" he found outside Tevinter. Plus, he grew up among human mages. Looks like human mage is a very logical romancable choice: all his life he saw those gorgeous powerful women (sorry, cannot see him gay) who only laughed at him. 

Sorry to take so long to get back to you on this, finally found a place with internet connection.


To each their own, but to be fair, Fenris HATES mages with a burning passion and continues to do so through to the end, yet he makes an exception for Hawke after getting to know him or her. Likewise, I can see him making an exception for an elf. Plus, I don't think Fenris is so closed-minded that he would be unwilling to respect an individual after they prove themselves, especially since he's willing to do so for a mage, (and he doesn't even hate elves on principle the way he does mages, he simply doesn't respect the way he feels most free elves spend their freedom).

I'd argue that Fenris hates all mages. He is not as blind in his anger as Anders is. He hates Danarius, Hadriana, and (but I  think already to a lesser extent) the Tevinter magisters. But I think the true hatred stops there. Fenris doesn't blindly hate all mages. I don't even think he hates, say, Merrill. He is very distrustful of mages, knowing what they can turn into. But he only hates those who have personally affected him. He is relatively rational in his doubts on mages and their freedom. 

[Amirit]

Guess we all are still thinking in "origins" way - many plot lines leading to many different endings. Man, how cheap DA2 looks in that perspective. But Fenris is still great

Now just to clarify a bit: I did not say elf-Hawk is impossible. With different story line everything is possible. It just _to me_ Fenrises attraction to human mage Hawk in a _given plot_ looks easier and more logical. As they say "there is a thin line between love and hate" but between disgust and love it's an abyss. And according to codex and known stories about Fenris he really despises free elves and think of them as of something insignificant. While mages are deeply hated yet worth fighting enemies.

Again - just one way to look at it. Noting else.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ladies rarely do I see black cosplayers that put much love into their craft and make me poud to be a black anime/gamer fan....and rarely do I see any where I have to question "IS HE LEGAL?!"






Theblackestday

Seriously I must give this man, mad proper brofist.<3

[Myrika]

He does look great! That armor is really well done. And... is his Blade of Mercy glowing?

[aldien]

Fae said:

Back to Fenris... even if he denies it, I think he has some feeling of kinship with elves. When arguing with Anders over who's been oppressed more, Fenris once says "considering what magic has done to my homeland and my race, I weep for your predicament." He also seems very lonely, and elves are all about family and community. I would be interested in seeing how an extroverted elf with strong ties to extended families and communities would affect him. XD (It's like those couples where the wife is a social butterfly and the husband's a crotchedy introvert, but they're still deeply in love ad manage to find a nice balance.)

There's also this dialogue from MoTA that suggests that he may actually be speaking with elves, perhaps on a regular basis.

Fenris: I hear there is going to be an Arlathvhen soon in Halamshiral. A large one.
Merrill: A gathering of the clans? How do I not know about that?
Fenris: Possibly because some elves are still willing to talk to me.
Merrill: You've been waiting to say that, haven't you?
Fenris: Maybe a little.


I don't think Fenris bought the mansion in Hightown. He was just trying to say he had a right to it. But i might be wrong on that account, Fae.

*bro fist* He looks awesome Ghost! I think he is the best cosplay Fenris I have seen. His skin tone is much more suited to Fenris. I love the contrast with his markings, which look very realistic, and his costume is perfect.

Now how did I know Harle would show up? <3<3<3 I knew you missed me after our tiff the other day. You know, out of all the people on that thread to love on you chose me.  It made me tingly.  I missed you The last statement is true. Fleshdress can never replace you. <3

Modifié par aldien, 04 août 2012 - 04:17 .

[AbsoluteApril]

touching back on the subject of Seheron - some dialogue I came across for the first time in DA:O - Took Sten to the Brecelian forest and he says it reminds him of his home in Seheron. Then later while entering Wade's shop in Denerim some banter trigged with Zevran regarding an elf that came to Seheron. Sten remarks how she was asking questions about their rainforests and then was later killed by 'the spotted cats'.

So we know Seheron is similar to a rainforest and the Breceilian forest and there are predetory cats there. Imagine Fenris walking around this place..

[AbsoluteApril]

aldien wrote...

I don't think Fenris bought the mansion in Hightown. He was just trying to say he had a right to it. But i might be wrong on that account, Fae.

you are correct

Aveline: All right, I'm just going to say it. Fenris, you need to present yourself better.
Fenris: What are you talking about?
Aveline: You're squatting in Hightown. I sympathize with your claims, but your neighbors have influence.
Fenris: My claims?
Aveline: To the estate. "Rightfully stolen" isn't exactly something I can forward to the Viscount. Be more discreet about... yourself.
Fenris: I shall endeavor to exist with less offense.

[PizzaThe Hutt]

Don't forget the man-eating plants!

[aldien]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

touching back on the subject of Seheron - some dialogue I came across for the first time in DA:O - Took Sten to the Brecelian forest and he says it reminds him of his home in Seheron. Then later while entering Wade's shop in Denerim some banter trigged with Zevran regarding an elf that came to Seheron. Sten remarks how she was asking questions about their rainforests and then was later killed by 'the spotted cats'.

So we know Seheron is similar to a rainforest and the Breceilian forest and there are predetory cats there. Imagine Fenris walking around this place..
Snip!

I forgot about rightfully stolen! It is one of my favorite lines.

Poor elf! Getting munched on by a big **** cat is a horrible way to die :/ All I said was p-ussy cat. Jeez, you stupid sensor thingy.

Ah I love that imagery. I have not played DAO so it was a treat to see those pictures April. I had always wondered what Seheron might look like. However, it did make me a bit melancholy to think Fenris came from such a beautiful place and that he might have been ripped away from it by slavers :/ Actually, the whole thought of slavers going into a forest that beautiful and capturing elves really gets to me. All of it makes me wonder what Thedas looked like in the days of Arlathan. Maybe BW will make a prequel to DA when the elves ruled I'd love that.

Now I really want to fry some magisters! :devil:


I have a question and at the rate I'm going I'll probably be lucky if anyone answers. But here goes:

I do not know what Danarius's sexual preference is for certain. I assumed that he was homosexual because of his relationship with Fenris. Anyway, my question is: Would Danarius marry or procreate for the sole purpose of continuing his line or perhaps he already has?

The reason I wondered about this was because Fenris says in the gallows:

Magisters came from wealthy families, bloodlines that had nurtured magical talent for countless generations

Could Danarius have family after Fenris?

Also, if Danarius did not have children would his estate fall to Hadrianna?

Modifié par aldien, 04 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[Amirit]

Faerunner wrote...
 I understand where you're coming from, but I personally can't see how Fenris can be less forgiving toward elves than mages.

 

This is what I am trying to say - in case of elves there is nothing to forgive. They are simply not worth his emotions, whatever those emotions are. An elf has to work ten times harder to get his attention then any mage

And again - just one way to read his story, nothing else.

  I meant that Fenris is an elf that managed to live in a human estate (for years) without ever being mobbed, so I don't think it would be impossible for an elven family to move into, given the right circumstances. (I can almost see them making up a shadow human owner and just pretend to run the estate as servants, or kind of do what Fenris does and have various friends and contacts keep trouble at bay.

It was mentioned somewhere, that everybody around knew the Campion's friend lives in that estate, so, nobody bothered Fenris.
But I too do not understand why a fals-owener was not implemented. The simplest idea solving all the problems.

aldien wrote...
 I have not played DAO so it was a treat to see those pictures April

 

Really? May I ask you then how did you get DAO avatar (does not work for me for some reason  )

Modifié par Amirit, 04 août 2012 - 09:57 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Amirite - Aldien has a DA2 (Hawke) avatar. Though, I am surprised aldi, that you haven't played DAO....maybe you mentioned that before and my overly pickled brain just didn't retain that info.......it's quite possible...*wink*

[aldien]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@Amirite - Aldien has a DA2 (Hawke) avatar. Though, I am surprised aldi, that you haven't played DAO....maybe you mentioned that before and my overly pickled brain just didn't retain that info.......it's quite possible...*wink*

Cold, you are getting my Saturday night confessional you poor soul. How is your doggy by the way?


I lurve pickles

You see this... no babysitter for a Saturday night and I'm twiddling my thumbs and toes wondering what to do.  We shoudl be eating out and seeing a movie right now, but no! So everyone suffers!!!!  I shall aggrevate my fellow Fenris lovers >:}. You poor people.

My avatar is most definitely the evil Hawke librarian of Kirkwall. Maker help you if you have an overdue book!  Harle taught me how to get my Hawke from the game to appear as my avatar on the forums. It was very sweet.

The Aldi story begins.

I am a DAO virgin. That is the Maker's honest truth. I found out about the whole DA franchise one day by doing a seach for the top 50 games of 2011 and Dragon Age 2 popped up. I had no earhtly idea what it was and ordered it on a whim. Maker's balls, then there was Fenris. Before DA ,I played first person shooters like Half-Life 2 and freelanced  for a game developer using my uber nerd leet skillz in XSI. Anyway, no evilness intended, the game was played without any bias. It wasn't until later I discovered the forum and was finally corrupted  Now I'm just obnoxious. Seriously, it has been an honor to speak to everyone on here even on bad days or when we disagree. They are just  tiffs, because in the end we all love each other whether we realize it or not. That's what the super hippy Aldi icon says.

Aldi has been sipping the Aggregio. Can you tell?

Modifié par aldien, 05 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[coldwetn0se]

*Coldi toasts Aldi with a chilled Grenache Rose.....See; pickled....soused, sauced, inebriated, three-sheets to the wind, intoxicated, drunk....and finally, p*ssed! *

I had no idea you played primarily FPS before this. So what is your over-all impression of RPG's? Do you think you might give DAO a try? Do you normally play on PC's or Consoles? Enquiring minds want to know.....and I ain't going to bed till my bedroom reaches a comfortable 74 degrees (it's freekin' hot in here....Dayumm!)

BTW...Oscar is curled up next to me, while the cats are trying to get ON me....don't they understand it is roasting out?? Sheesh. Dog was none to happy about the heat; he is a Black Pug after all. HA!

[Amirit]

You have to try DAO. Simply MUST.
My path was a bit different but too DA2 was my first and only then DAO. It's amazing, believe me. So many of so colorful characters!

(man, when would I finally leave you alone...)

Modifié par Amirit, 05 août 2012 - 12:02 .

[aldien]

coldwetn0se wrote...

*Coldi toasts Aldi with a chilled Grenache Rose.....See; pickled....soused, sauced, inebriated, three-sheets to the wind, intoxicated, drunk....and finally, p*ssed! *

I had no idea you played primarily FPS before this. So what is your over-all impression of RPG's? Do you think you might give DAO a try? Do you normally play on PC's or Consoles? Enquiring minds want to know.....and I ain't going to bed till my bedroom reaches a comfortable 74 degrees (it's freekin' hot in here....Dayumm!)

BTW...Oscar is curled up next to me, while the cats are trying to get ON me....don't they understand it is roasting out?? Sheesh. Dog was none to happy about the heat; he is a Black Pug after all. HA!

*Hangover* Man evil... Made me get up with daughter. Bah!

I am so dense sometimes, but I do like pickles .  My preferred weapons last night: Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay and I suspect I had some Tempranillo. I could have drunk Fenris under the table and possibly into my bed last night.

hammered<------- I'm adding to our list of slang words for drunk, that way when we are drunk again we will know what we are talking about.  Ummmmm yeah.

I did have some experience with the Elder Scrolls series before DA, as in, I owned Daggerfall all those years ago. I'm old :/  But things NWN and Baldur's Gate never interested me.

So what is your over-all impression of RPG's?

Many of them have bad storylines or very similar storylines. I know they all have their roots in D&D paper based games so it's understandable. Many of them, including DA, borrow from Tolkien and mythology in general. I don't have a problem with that but I don't like it when people try to pretend they had the original idea. What makes an rpg isn't so much the world it is set in, because you can have the most beautiful scenery known to man in a game, but if the characters are very one dimensional then the game becomes stagnant quickly. (That would be Skyrim, which I bought after DA2). On the flipside of that, you need to have enough cosmetic beauty, choices, weapons, clothes, things to buy and upgrades to keep it interesting. DA2 did not have that.

Grittiness is great in a FPS, but I've discovered through the Witcher 2 that it works best in an rpg. Hard choices, moral gray areas, compelling characters and choices and SEX!  I guess of all the things, a great story and characters is the key to an rpg. If I could take the Witcher2, Skyrim, DA2 and the level design of Half-Life 2 and put it all together, bar rocket launchers and crowbars, that would be the perfect rpg for me

What bugs me is that BW put and M rating on their games but they didn't bother getting anyone naked in DA2. That was a wasted opportunity. I do think it is important that if you are going declare sexual content on a package that there be some damn it!


Do you think you might give DAO a try?

After seeing the pictures above, talking to Fae and spending a year not really having a clue what my nonexistent warden did in the last game, yes I think I better or I may go insane. I play rpg's on pc.

.....and I ain't going to bed
till my bedroom reaches a comfortable 74 degrees (it's freekin' hot in
here....Dayumm!)

I understand that all too well. It has been 90+ degrees here since June every damn day. My tomatoes are great though.


BTW...Oscar is curled up next to me, while the cats are trying to get ON
me....don't they understand it is roasting out?? Sheesh. Dog was none
to happy about the heat; he is a Black Pug after all. HA!

*scratches behind Oscar's ear. Who is a cute puppy?* Poor Oscar I hope you are keeping him cool. What is it with cats? Why do they need to be roasting all of the time?

So what about you Cold? What's your favorite rpg of all time? What was your first rpg? What do you want to see in DA3?

Amirit wrote...

You have to try DAO. Simply MUST.
My
path was a bit different but too DA2 was my first and only then DAO.
It's amazing, believe me. So many of so colorful characters!

(man, when would I finally leave you alone...)

It's okay! This thread is addictive.

I think if I don't play DAO I may be banned from the forum for blasphemy

Modifié par aldien, 05 août 2012 - 12:43 .

[Amirit]

Oh, good, you did not ignore me yet

Word of advice then about DAO: run your first game as Human Noble. Might be not the most interesting start for you at the end but more believable. And if you have issues with women in an army command positions in an otherwise classical medieval setting - play as a male. Or you risk to hit the wall of total disbelieve.

[aldien]

Amirit wrote...

Oh, good, you did not ignore me yet

Word of advice then about DAO: run your first game as Human Noble. Might be not the most interesting start for you at the end but more believable. And if you have issues with women in an army command positions in an otherwise classical medieval setting - play as a male. Or you risk to hit the wall of total disbelieve.

Why did you think I was ignoring you? I don't ignore anyone on here. Usually they ignore me

I know you can be an elf in DAO. How am I supposed to resist being an elf? Well, I tend to ignore the sexist regimes that were imposed in real Medieval history.I have a hard time roleplaying as a man since I don't have the right tackle