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[Harle Cerulean]

Aldien, a lot of people definitely put too big a emphasis on "but if we don't get married IT'S NOT A HAPPY ENDING!" And, you know. It's not even like the only ways to stay with Alistair is to either marry him and be queen, or be his mistress - I can see why people wouldn't want to be his mistress, but there's always the option of not making him King, which makes him happier to boot, since he doesn't even want the job. And then there's no issues at all with the relationship. (It also amazes me when I see people going "BUT HE'S KING HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS." Er, no. He's the unacknowledged bastard son; his claim to the throne is shaky enough that if he tries to rock the boat by marrying a non-human/non-noble, he's probably looking at civil war. Really, what proof does he have? Eamon saying he is? That's nice, and what happens when another noble claims he isn't . . . ?)

Though it does amuse me to think that he's probably already someone that most people wouldn't want on the throne if they knew the truth. (/die-hard "Alistair is Fiona's son" believer)

And yeah, Fenris and Alistair are very different characters. There is absolutely no comparison, and it boggles me that people even try. :|a

[coldwetn0se]

@Harle - shhhhhh.....no spoilers for the newly initiated DAOers (sure....it's a word. hehe!) But I fully agree with you. (and don't get me started on the Fiona thing...hell, I didn't even READ the damn book. <giggle>)

I never have never really compared Fenris to anyone (though I do find it interesting; those that have a soft spot for Fenris often like the same characters....but not always. ) I think Alistair makes sense for his background, and I think Fenris makes sense for his.

@aldien - just finished dinner, and am getting my screenshots together.

[aldien]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@aldien - you're a beauty! I love spicy food, and yes, I think Fenris would be good with spicy (him being a bit spicy himself....hubba-hubba *giggle/snort*) I would say most Bourdeaux would go well with your Lamb...mmmmmmm. If it wasn't 100 degrees right now, I might have changed my dinner plans because of you.

As it stands though, I am still making the Halibut, but I went with a Pinot Gris instead of the Chardonnay (I'm from Oregon though....It's practically a "law" that you MUST drink Pinot Noirs and Pinot Gris...heh!). Have the wine chillin' as we speak.

I will post le Fenri (like Henri, but different......I think I'm getting "sympathetic toasted" with you.....cuz I'm starting to get weird) O.o

As soon as I finish making dinner, you'll get the pictures. What about you?? I want to see your Elf Warden!

As for the Ali incident....aahhhhhh....yes.....I see. Been there...*nods knowingly* It's funny, my first Elf Warden got the same "talk" from Ali (which I didn't know about ahead of time), but being the very pragmatic Elf that she was, she dealt. (Then got a little somethin', somethin', from a smexy assassin. *ZOINKS*)

PS - btw; I too love vanilla and I think he WOULD taste like vanilla (and feel free to let your mind wander wherever with that.....including south....*SNAP*). That's my story, and I'm sticking to it (courtesy of stealing your story. heh!)

Welp now I am officially off my rocker. Wait... not sure that was the right term. Fenris spicy? Maker just don't. I'll have to go find fanfiction to go with that... taste I love the term giggle snorts... not sure what tastes good with it... perhaps port?

Fenris.... he is common perfection. The elf means the world to me (I'm so cheesy tonight... okay drunk shhh.)

Oh! Oregon! That's perfect for gardening and roses.

Le Fenri? Oh is so giggling. I love it. Le Fenri shall be my squishy and I shall name him squishy

I have 2 elf wardens. First one had bad hair... this one I just started playing. I think her nose might be weird. It;s so hard to tell until you get far into the game. :/



No... Alistair just really... oh it upset me. I cried. I honestly did because I look for a freedom in this game that you can't find in other entertainment media (or is it mediums... pfft I tried to sound intelligent . It's not a sexual freedom, though perhaps it should be, but it is a social freedom. I read the endings of the game afterwards and people cry mostly for what can become of him or the warden. I cried most because of that moment during Landsmeet.

I thought Alistair would be the one person in the world of DA to love an elf without prejudice since he has been subjected to it all his life. Crushed me when he said it :/ Fenris would be standing there going: I told you so. That is the exact reason why I love Fenris too. Probably won't make sense to most people.

But! Of everyone in the DA universe I have encountered thus far, Alistair is a bridge between the nobility and common man. An elven warden, no matter how knowledgeable, cannot fully fathom what it is to be noble in the eyes of Fereldan high society. (The warden is more noble than all of them)

I like to think in Alistair's immature, but sweet way, he was trying to save her that pain. He knows what it is like to be on the receiving end of aristocratic animosity. Plus, he likes it that my warden doesn't wear a corset C'mon Alistair is that relaxed.

I tested the game to its utmost critical limits. I was expecting wishy washy answers when it came to Anora. Thankfully, I didn't get what I wanted. Nobility, politics...well it's all a game. Alistair does see it for what it is, but you have to go ask things that you don't want to ask. The answers redeemed him in my eyes. Oh! That was some excellent writing and I rarely say that when it comes to a game. But... well... it was excellent writing. 


Harle said:

Aldien, a lot of people definitely put too big a emphasis on "but if we
don't get married IT'S NOT A HAPPY ENDING!" And, you know. It's not
even like the only ways to stay with Alistair is to either marry him and
be queen, or be his mistress - I can see why people wouldn't want to be
his mistress, but there's always the option of not making him King,
which makes him happier to boot, since he doesn't even want the job.
And then there's no issues at all with the relationship. (It also
amazes me when I see people going "BUT HE'S KING HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO
WHATEVER HE WANTS." Er, no. He's the unacknowledged bastard son; his
claim to the throne is shaky enough that if he tries to rock the boat by
marrying a non-human/non-noble, he's probably looking at civil war.
Really, what proof does he have? Eamon saying he is? That's nice, and
what happens when another noble claims he isn't . . . ?)

Though
it does amuse me to think that he's probably already someone that most
people wouldn't want on the throne if they knew the truth. (/die-hard
"Alistair is Fiona's son" believer)

And yeah, Fenris and Alistair
are very different characters. There is absolutely no comparison, and
it boggles me that people even try. :|a


Really, what proof does he have? Eamon saying he is? That's nice, and
what happens when another noble claims he isn't . . . ?)


LOL! Oh I loved the way you worded that!


The problem is, my friend, for someone who has had it beaten into them that marriage = right and anything other than that is mediocre, second hand, damaged goods, against the grain, unsuccessful, when you try and click that text that goes against it all, you are not just making a stand against social norms, you're making one against all the ****g demons you have fought your entire life. . Point is, I agree. But it has upset me to no end because I have to fight the Disneyland ending and just let it all hang out. Rendegade sexy-ass couple on the rampage (aka wardens . Suits me fine. Throw some Morrigan in there to make sure my warden gets what she wants in the end... I'm game. But... not everyone can see past their tiara. I'm not being an ass. I'm serious. This has taken it out of me.

I'm drunk.... proper answer: Bastard son on the throne will never be able to secure confidence in nobles of pure bloodlines. The more illustrious nobles will always be waiting in the shadows for an oppurtune time to strike. The silver knight's heir isn't really pure, just a stand-in until things settle down, then, I'm sure some of them will be thinking: we usurp the bastard and grab the throne. BW, however will never make it that bloodthristy.

Harle... I wish I was about half as intelligent as you and able to express myself twice as much.

[aldien]

Coldie I am power posting because of you....

I'm sop drunk

you said: I never have never really compared Fenris to anyone (though I do find it interesting; those that have a soft spot for Fenris often like the same characters....but not always. ) I think Alistair makes sense for his background, and I think Fenris makes sense for his.

Hmmmmmmm why do I like alistair and fenris. Loved Fenris first. Well... labeling I think. Your this, your that... you must go here.... you must go there.... Alistair and Fenris fight it. They don't fit where people want them to fit. THey love no matter what in the end. They overcome their own demons and become better people because of it. It's at the price of our characters, but we forgive them because they are genuine. Anyone in circumstance too easy never feels genuine. Make sense? ****.... Coldie and Harle please don't tell me I make more sense drunk. I will hit you both tomrowwo for that.

Modifié par aldien, 18 août 2012 - 02:55 .

[coldwetn0se]

aldien wrote...

allota things...*snip*

hehehe...I'm shnockered (did we do that one yet?? *sheepishgrin*)

I forgot what I was saying sooooo......................

[aldien]

I did say allota tings.... very boring things.... bah to me!


Oh you did it! You said the waste of a handsome elf. Is it sad I recognize his movements without playing the game?

Did we say pissed out of our heads yet?

She;s sexy. Why can't I make mine with short hair? I have to say that Varric is particularly (try to spell that drunk) smexy in that pic

Second half : just entered Danraius mansion????

Modifié par aldien, 18 août 2012 - 03:17 .

[coldwetn0se]

hehehe...give that lady a cookie! DINGDINGDING! Right on all accounts. I had more to post, but @&*#%ing Photobucket is now causing me pain.....why oh why!!!!

[aldien]

busy night of people postimg porn? its bad when I have type porn twice

[coldwetn0se]

being bad....but it feels soooo good.  Picspam!!!

yummmmy!


you such a badass, Harley!


Purty lass (all for you, Fenris!)

[aldien]

with a name like harley you cant be anything but BA . Mmmmm a Hawke made for Fenris.... i know its all very.... archaic but still sexy

[coldwetn0se]

hehe....wyman's movement be damned! Make female companionship for horny/lonely/broody elf!!
Mission accomplished! HA!

[dracuella]

!! Freckles mod?!?! Cold, where did you get that? I tried a few but gave up when the result wasn't what I wanted (black spots or brown blotches all over my poor Hawke's face >_<)

Aldy, about Alistair, I can assure you you weren't the only one. I didn't attempt making myself his queen during Landsmeet but the other scene where they talk about him becoming king, I was devastated when he said we would have to end. I felt so shocked and betrayed; it was as if I had been punched unexpectedly in the face by the one I love the most. I immediately did 1) mod the game so I could marry him then 2) think better of it (would Alistair be happy as king?) and ran off with him into the sunset.

I really want him to be king as he is the most just and fair character in the game. He is neither prejudiced nor power hungry and would, with proper guidance, make an excellent king. He'd be loved by everyone but the corrupt part of the nobility and who gives a toss about them anyway

I pondered the possibility of going back to harden him and become his mistress but.. the Alistair we know, the unhardened one, wouldn't want that because it would be fair to neither his new Queen nor to me. And he's so fair and nice and adorable, I could never force him to do anything he felt was wrong.

And then there's the fact that the hardened Alistair just isn't the person my Warden fell in love with. He's so boring and unfunny in every single way and his innocent, a little naive, boyish ways are what makes him so damn attractive to me. Without them he's just a pretty face, really. And there are pretty faces all around (eh, Zev?).

Modifié par dracuella, 18 août 2012 - 08:57 .

[Dwarva]

Yes I definitely want the freckles mod too. I have the one that opens all the facial options, including a freckle tattoo, but would like a better one

[Ghost_Nappa]

Right, I see getting Adly into origins has been a roaring success. Thank you ladies, she wouldn't listen to me unless you gave her all those lovely mods. Plus she knows my two cents about Alistair.....I care not for him or teagan or Eamon.

Anora and Loghain all the way! Hurrays for those without title but still fought and earned it to keep it. (Yes yes throw your bricks at me, but I care not for Cailen either. Granted it was a stupid plan by loghain to think the darkspawn an army, but I make him kill the archdemon as a full circle irony redemption....what I like the man, but karma.)

Bah, this is still to early for me....to orientation and get my paper work for classes! (I start thursday. You can tell by how Im on here less and less)

[Dutchess]

Oh my, I come here to catch up and all I have to read are drunking posts. xD

Aww, aldien, so Alistair has done it to you too. My poor elven mage was heart broken. And pissed, haha. Not that it changed anything.

Have you heard Taliesen yet?

I'd say Fenris is more similar to Zevran than Alistair. At least they both share more or less the same background of being owned by others and killing for them. Although in Fenris' case the ownership was taken a step further even...
Plus, they both say "I'm yours." And elves. And Zev likes tattoos. Oooh, so many similarities, haha!

[Amirit]

renjility They are supposed to be very similar, I think. Still they feel very differently. So much that I do not see it anymore. Mb because I think of it right now unable to decide if I want to see my cute dwarf with Zevran... Somehow Leliana looks as a better ... eeeh ... even natural? (crazy!) choice.

[Dutchess]

Why would they supposed to be similar then? Because David Gaider likes ex-slaves? Just curious, because I didn't know they were supposed to be alike.

And I know they're still very different personalities. The way they both deal with their issues is definitely not the same. Zevran tends to be more open about most (not all, not all, I know) of his past than Fenris. And I think that Fenris may have a stronger sense of pride... he really seems to feel that his time as a slave is an offense to his person, whereas Zevran more shows an "it is what it is" mentality about it. Fenris really wants to prove his independence.

[Amirit]

renjility wrote...

Why would they supposed to be similar then? Because David Gaider likes ex-slaves? Just curious, because I didn't know they were supposed to be alike.
 

My way to DAO was: SWToR-DA2-DAO. (Well, I did play BG but so long ago and was not that interested in companion system that time)

And if you look at all games together you can not help but to see patterns, common designes, common roles. Nothing bad in it - really! - at the end in every book we too have common roles to some extend. So, Fenris plays his role of "a hadsome elven companion with a tragic past"

[coldwetn0se]

@Dracuella and @Staarbux - The freckles ARE the tattoo freckles that @Staarbux spoke of. The key to them is, keep the color slider all the way to the left, and turn the color intensity down to about half way (on the slider). It keeps them looking more natural (at least to me). The only time you really need to change the color, is if you have a "true" ginger, then it is best to go with the ruddier/more orange-y freckles.

@Ghost - I actually like your reasoning for keeping Anora and Loghain around. I have let Anora rule, but I never let Loghain live. I always see my Wardens as those that wouldn't take kindly to being marked for death, so Loghain goes bye-bye. (though I really do like him as a character.)

As for a "hardened" Alistair, I actually prefer him hardened. I still find his humor is in tack, but a bit more subdued. Plus, I think he fits better to rule when hardened (at least that's how I RP it; different for all.....beauty of choice, eh? *grin*). I only leave him unhardened if I have decided to have him stay a gw. Since I tend to do romances slowly, when he is my current warden's LI, it usually isn't until AFTER that moment where you harden him or not, that I romance him.

@Ren - yup drunken posts. Hell, what do you expect two married, older ladies to do on a Friday night, then get drunk on moderately priced wine, and post on a gaming forum?!?!? hehehe.......

@aldien - How's your head, hun? *wub u*

[aldien]

dracuella wrote...

!! Freckles mod?!?! Cold, where did you get that? I tried a few but gave up when the result wasn't what I wanted (black spots or brown blotches all over my poor Hawke's face >_<)

Aldy, about Alistair, I can assure you you weren't the only one. I didn't attempt making myself his queen during Landsmeet but the other scene where they talk about him becoming king, I was devastated when he said we would have to end. I felt so shocked and betrayed; it was as if I had been punched unexpectedly in the face by the one I love the most. I immediately did 1) mod the game so I could marry him then 2) think better of it (would Alistair be happy as king?) and ran off with him into the sunset.

I really want him to be king as he is the most just and fair character in the game. He is neither prejudiced nor power hungry and would, with proper guidance, make an excellent king. He'd be loved by everyone but the corrupt part of the nobility and who gives a toss about them anyway

I pondered the possibility of going back to harden him and become his mistress but.. the Alistair we know, the unhardened one, wouldn't want that because it would be fair to neither his new Queen nor to me. And he's so fair and nice and adorable, I could never force him to do anything he felt was wrong.

And then there's the fact that the hardened Alistair just isn't the person my Warden fell in love with. He's so boring and unfunny in every single way and his innocent, a little naive, boyish ways are what makes him so damn attractive to me. Without them he's just a pretty face, really. And there are pretty faces all around (eh, Zev?).

It's nice to know I wasn't the only who got upset at that point, dracuella. After reading spoilers, since I was ready to throw the game out of the window and give up, I thought: I know who is killing the archdemon now. But... after perusing dialogue options and considering everything I understood Alistair better and I just loved him even more.

I assume my Alistair isn't hardened since he's still fussing. The first time I heard that term, I laughed my head off. But I'm not sure Alistair would make a great king. He would be fair and just and good to the common man, but I don't think he has the tactics or the shrewdness to pull it off. Maybe that changes if you uh... harden him *giggles*  But like you said if you harden him then you lose the goofy Alistair you fell in love with to begin with. :/ But, if you are an elf or dwarf and you want him to be king then I think it makes sense to harden him.

Fenris would be a good leader I think. He'd tell everyone to F off and get the job done Seriously, if it was parallelled I'd peg Fenris as more suited to a job like that. He is a good judge of character imo and not to be mean, but Fenris is extremely intelligent, multi lingual and he looks great dressed up I suspect. Well... he'd have better taste. It would be all black, trimmed in silver. No I haven't thought this through.

Are we  like spiritually connected Coldie? How is it we decide to post at the same time?

My head.... bah! Feel like I spent a night at Fenris's mansion trying out his wine cellar. THat really wouldn't be so bad would it?

Coldie said: @Ren - yup drunken posts. Hell, what do you expect two married, older
ladies to do on a Friday night, then get drunk on moderately priced
wine, and post on a gaming forum?!?!? hehehe.......

ROFL! It's either that or taking questionable pictures in a DAO modded game
Or freckles. Going to name my Mabari freckles now Usually it's miffles.  So sad Fenris wasn't in the first one :/

I did meet him Ren I keep hearing Gideon's voice usually a shopkeeper. :DDD Makes me miss Fenris :/ Have to play DA2 again to curb Fenris withdrawl.

[Amirit]

And those people dare to call themselves elves protectors!

Lagain was selling elves into slavery, allow How to rampage alienage, killed the king because kings uncle forced him to think about divorce with logain's daughter (because of her inability to have kids). Still you all "like him as a character"! Way to go!

[Dutchess]

Aldien, I don't know if Fenris would make such a good leader either. He is too much of a loner, I'd say. And just as Alistair he probably lacks the shrewdness of a scheming politician. He even despises that kind of people, because magisters are just like that. No, I think such a job would drive poor Fenris crazy.

[Ghost_Nappa]

@Amirit tomato, tomatoe. This isnt the Loghain fan page, but really what a way to show a man of great stature falling from grace.

Granted there are other fans who don't like our dear fenny due to his bigotry of mages and the main asinine reasons of him being "emo, animehead, fantasy swordman, "gay" and arrrogant." But us fans of him get to learn his character and understand him.

Same for Loghain. Yes the man has major flaws, along with his daughter, but they have those to show how they aren't just one dimensional. I mean would we all love Fenris, as a character, if he was friggin perfect?

[Amirit]

But he IS friggin perfect In every way

Btw, speaking of elves: does this "brake up" dialog from Alistair after Landsmeet race-specific? I thought human mage get the same speech but it always mentioned in the context with elves for some reason.