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[coldwetn0se]

@AbsolutelyApril - *FenrisLongstocking?* o.o
.....brilliant....

**EDIT**
Oi!! ToP.............


Zander Hawke explaining to PrinceKittyMagicMuffin that Fenris is not an animal......he is a hu____....uhh, elf.

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 20 août 2012 - 03:49 .

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

aldien wrote...

You know I just can't get out my pom poms and yell hooray for BW. I'm too grumpy for that and rather cynical after playing the second and now the first game. Writing was better in the first and I noticed many of the same plots carried over from the original with minor details changed.

Fenris is a great character but he could have been handled better in my opinion. I know it was mostly down to time limitations but still... that is the sort of thing that reflects on the company in the end. So no pom poms for me but i will pass out cookies.

I can hardly believe that coming from you. In my memory you were always defending DA2 and could not be bothered to try DAO. Not that it's bad that you have now gained a different perspective. I agree with you. The story of DAO was far more succesfull in drawing me in. The first time I played Act I of DA2 I felt like I was drowning in side quests and just went to random locations with a quest marker and talked to random people with a quest marker without actually knowing what quest they were part of. The only thing I still loved about the game (and that was the saving grace of it in my opinion) are the companions. Especially Fenris of course. Although the frustrations of a lack of love scenes and how the time skips were handled still remain. Ah well, at least the huge empty spaces the game left gave me the inspiration to start writing to fill it up, so it was not entirely a bad thing.

@ moto: the Fenris learning to write is hilarious! Apples and sunshine...

No afraid BW doesn't poop butterflies for me. Just....very very very cynical.

You are very very right. I defended DA2 on several topics throughout the forum very passionately and it got ugly at times. So, it's quite amazing my opinion changed. A miracle considering how stubborn I am. But it's a good thing because now I can look at the two games with open eyes.

Fenris is the saving grace of DA2. Without him I'd never replay it. The rest of the game is too repetitive and well.... probably get hit for saying it, kind of boring because of the tedious side quests. It doesn't draw me in like DAO has done I tried playing DA2 tonight and I had to put it down. :/ Did load up some Fenris saves in all the right places and that was fun But overall I'm disgruntled. The time skips are ridiculous especially since nothing changes. It didn't need the skips in my opinion. That's just skimming on the surface of the meat of the story, which pretty sums up DA2 for me now.

*bro fist* team cynical rulez!

Dru, I worked in the games industry for awhile. The content is more important than shipping the game on time unless you don't care about quality. That is why game companies like Valve and Bethesda take years to develop their games. Fact is, your reputation goes out that door with the first box and if you have made something mediocre you know it. You ride off the waves of your previous success,make money off of your loyal fans and then do some statistical analysis and damage control. People say it was EA's fault for the time constraint, but Mass Effect had their development time. I can't image why DA2 would have been given less. Cash cow. Now it's branching out. It's not a game any longer, it's on the verge of becoming an interactive storybook. And I have seen many posts on the forum by people who have said there is an egotistical movement taking over the development , but I'm not getting into that. The franchise will either noose itself or deflate egos and make a decent game. We will see.

Offer bigger cookies since I'm fussing.

Modifié par aldien, 20 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[aldien]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

@Aldien - I was so upset by the landsmeet break up too. (if you didn't read all the ending options, then skip the rest of this as it's full o' spoilers) - but he redeamed himself during the final approach to the archdemon, professing his true love for the warden and making an apology, then he sacraficed himself for her, for the grey wardens and for Ferelden. I cried for over 30 min, all through the credits. It was the best game ever. (also did a PT with Logain redeaming himself, he has some interesting dialogue if you take him back to Ostagar).

I'm extremely curious now. So does he make that sacrifice even if he breaks it off with her to be king? This part I didn't know I had read grey wardens die when they kill it, but I thought if he was king then he would be too important to fight it. She'd have to do it. Does he? This is awful. Not sure I want to know the answer... no I do.... I don't... *sad*

So he does?

[Harle Cerulean]

There's a bunch of factors involved Aldien. I believe it's possible, but not guaranteed. There's at least two ways to make sure it doesn't, I'll tell you that much. XD

[Dutchess]

Eh... no, wait wait. I don't think that's possible. When you make Alistair king he leaves the party during the last battle, doesn't he? Thus you can't take him to the Archdemon. That's how I remember it anyway.

[Sylvanpyxie]

When you make Alistair king he leaves the party during the last battle, doesn't he? Thus you can't take him to the Archdemon. That's how I remember it anyway.

Nah, he does the opening cut-scene to the battle and then he joins you in the fight.

My Amell romanced Alistair, made him King, yelled at him when he ended their relationship and he proceeded to save her life at the Arch Demon.

It was actually the only emotional part of the game for me... Though. Now i think about it... It could just be because essentially.. Steve Valentine saved my life.

It's super depressing though.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 août 2012 - 09:52 .

[Dutchess]

Ah, okay. Thanks. He only leaves the party permanently when you let Loghain live. Now I remember. I did that on my last playthrough, hence that is what stuck.

[dracuella]

What happens, I wonder, if you earlier on infuriate Alistair so much he leaves? Does he disappear completely from the rest of the game and DA2?

[Sylvanpyxie]

What happens, I wonder, if you earlier on infuriate Alistair so much he leaves?

Don't think you can, can you?

I know that Wynne, Sten, Leliana, Morrigan, Zevran and the other one are all expendable and you can just splat them or make them disappear, but i think Alistair is a permanent fixture in the game. He's *required*.

At least until the Lands Meet.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 août 2012 - 12:09 .

[aldien]

Harle you are such a tease! I have read some of the information about the ending but it never says he apoplogises and declares the warden the love of his life. Did this happen like that for you April?

He becomes a drunk in Kirkwall? Waaaaaaaaaa? So why couldn't Hawke romance him? I mean she falls for angry homeless men all of the time and one of those drinks quite a bit, so why not Alistair?

He could have moved in with Fenris. They could have become drinking budies.... hmmmmmm Hawke would just love that Then you take them out on quests, Alistair falls in love with her hips and becomes a changed man when he can once again see straight. See perfect... although quests might have been bad with two drunks instead of one or maybe the dialogue would have been great Damn we lost Alistair over the cliff again.

Modifié par aldien, 20 août 2012 - 01:19 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

why not Alistair?

Oh you poor girl.... Have you not seen his face yet?

[aldien]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

why not Alistair?

Oh you poor girl.... Have you not seen his face yet?

You know that's a good question. The first and only time I've seen Alistair was once in DA2 when you go to meet him as king if that's the default history. I *sheepish* didn't really pay much attention and I never bothered doing that sidequest again. I also didn't have an import for DA2 until now. I honestly can't remember what he looks like. I remember Teagan's face quite distinctively because of MoTA, but not Alistair's. I guess I'll go look. It's not that bad is it ? I don't remember anything strange about him when I saw him, but I also remember thinking why do people go mad for this character.

Have to say that I generally like a character for their story/personality rather than looks. Fenris isn't the most handsomest (is that even a word?) male character I have ever come across in a game. I think he is handsome but not traditionally so. I also think more people fall in love with him for his voice and his story. I can attest to the latter. I love Alistairs story and his goofiness and yes he is extremely handsome too, but even if he wasn't I would still love the character in DAO. I don't think I could completely dislike the character if he is that ugly in DA2. LOL! Maybe I should state that after I go look

Modifié par aldien, 20 août 2012 - 01:33 .

[Amirit]

dracuella wrote...

What happens, I wonder, if you earlier on infuriate Alistair so much he leaves? Does he disappear completely from the rest of the game and DA2?

He does. But only after Landsmeet (this is the only place you CAN infuruate him). Save Loghain - and Archdeamon is all yours

aldien wrote...
 I also didn't have an import for DA2 until now. I honestly can't remember what he looks like. 

 

Interesting thing: when I played DA2 without savings from DAO - I hade some bugs here and there. Some even very serious. With the import not only those bugs were gon but I got more party banters. You might want to re-play DA2 with a saving.

Modifié par Amirit, 20 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

It's not that bad is it?

Oh my...

It's okay. Just uh... Prepare yourself.

Really though, i don't suppose it's that bad... He's kind of yellow, as appose to the tan he has in Origins, and his face is saggy but besides that it's not too bad. 

The Zevran morph was better than the Alistair one though so uhm... Take that as you will.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 août 2012 - 01:38 .

[Dutchess]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

It's not that bad is it?

Oh my...

It's okay. Just uh... Prepare yourself.

Really though, i don't suppose it's that bad... He's kind of yellow, as appose to the tan he has in Origins, and his face is saggy but besides that it's not too bad. 

The Zevran morph was better than the Alistair one though so uhm... Take that as you will.

Zevran morph b...better? Zevran's looks nearly made me cry. I wouldn't even have recognized him without the voice and the tattoo. Alistair at least was recognizable, although less handsome than in DAO.


How I feel about DA2 Zev:


by Zinoodle



I hope Fenris will look decent if he ever makes a cameo....

[aldien]

[Sylvanpyxie]

Zevran morph b...better?

Yeah, sorry. It was easier for me to adjust to Zevran's new face because he was done in the new Elven Format as apposed to the old "Almost Human" format. So i wasn't comparing him to "Old Zev" (a fight that he would have lost), i was just getting used to "New Zev".

Alistair though... I had nothing to adjust to, there was nothing that should have been drastically different and i didn't expect them to screw it up in such a spectacular fashion, i just couldn't stop comparing him to the Old Alistair, the pretty Alistair.... I was completely unprepared for it and it just... Oh god, oh god, it scarred me for life! *Sobs uncontrollably*

I hope Fenris will look decent if he ever makes a cameo. 

Bright side for Fenris is even with the totally screwed up DA2 Elf Faces he's managed to be pretty, in a very manly way. So, unless they somehow manage to make all elves even uglier, i think he'll be pretty safe.

Then again, i thought that with Alistair....

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 août 2012 - 04:38 .

[Amirit]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...
So, unless they somehow manage to make all elves even uglier, i think he'll be pretty safe.

Then again, i thought that with Alistair....

  So true!

Aldien - does your sad face means you finished your first run and killed Alistair? 

[AbsoluteApril]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@AbsolutelyApril - *FenrisLongstocking?* o.o
.....brilliant....

YES!! I'm so glad someone got that!

aldien wrote...
Harle you are such a tease! I have read some of the information about the ending but it never says he apoplogises and declares the warden the love of his life. Did this happen like that for you April?

shoot I shouldn't have said anything! It's better when it happens and is unexpected. oh well. Ser-Pounce-a-Lot is out of Ander's cap so to speak.

Yes, he basically says he was wrong to break up and he still loves the warden and is going to make the sacrafice, Warden can argue and plead with him not to, he'll give the warden a goodbye kiss, it's so sad. I'd have to youtube or replay to get the exact dialogue.

as for DA2 Alistair.. well.. they tried and I see the effort but something about the cheeks/chin doesn't quite work in the new style, it makes him look all bloated with tiny eyes
of course, whoever made this photo chose the worst DA2 angle haha


As for who was worse, Ali or Zev, it's hard to say. I've gotten used to their remakes but still prefer the original design. my only fear about a Fenris cameo in DA3, well besides a fear of bug causing issue with LI/non-LI flags, is if they re-design the elves again, what might happen to Fenris?

[AbsoluteApril]

SurrealSadi wrote...

Oh god, FF13? I returned that to GameStop. I got to one point where all you can really do is GRIND, and my brain and love of FF games died. I adore the FF series, but I don't want to spend 40 hours GRINDING away just to be able to beat the flarking game. And that's apparently what you HAVE to do.

yeah, I'm not enjoying it all that much. Last FF game I played was FF7 (and tactics) which I loved, loved so much. This.. eh. I can't believe they took out turn based fighting, isn't that one of the major things that makes a JRPG? Plus all the fights have been so easy but then Odin I had to reload about 6-7 times, just seems very unbalanced.

I never understood the 'annoyance' or anger about FemShep or FemHawke's walking/swaying, it never bothered me, HOWEVER, after seeing Vanille prancing around, I get it! I get it now! It's driving me crazy. The only character that I could see frollic as such would be Merrill in the Viscount's garden.
ok rant over

[Dutchess]

^LOL, oh yes, female Hawke's walk! When I played the demo I thought: "wtf is wrong with how she walks" xD. I've gotten used to it, but it still makes no sense. When women run, it's not that different from men. As far as I know. When I go jogging I don't have that ridiculous hip sway. I run more like the Warden, although the Warden held his/her arms too rigidly next to the body. Normally arms move more.

Alistair makes sense in that he is years older than in DAO, so you could say that he's gotten a bit puffy and has just aged over time. Zevran's face however does not look like his old face at all. Even when you take the changed elven nose into account. He just looks like he went to a cosmetic surgeon to have it all lifted, and that the surgeon messed up....

[aldien]

Yes, he died and I cried I thought I understood how to keep him from dying but I did something wrong. I don't even know what I did wrong! I didn't think I would cry but I didn't think I had selected anything that would make him sacrifice himself. I thought it was set so that my warden would kill the archdemon. That was just... tragic. Seriously upset. I had stuff to stay about the similarities between him and Fenris. Bah! this shouldn't have upset me this much! Be back later

[AbsoluteApril]

Aww, I feel your pain! *internet HUGS* I was upset for days, I know it's just a game, but it really got me. As far as I know, the only way for a romanced Alistair to NOT do the sacrafice (besides doing the DR with Morrigan *shiver*) is to leave him behind when you make your last group selection entering Denerim.

edit to add -

renjility wrote...
Alistair makes sense in that he is years older than in DAO, so you could say that he's gotten a bit puffy and has just aged over time.

well that is actually a good point, he's been sitting on the throne enjoying good food and being political instead of running all over Ferelden fighting random badies with the warden.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 20 août 2012 - 08:44 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

I thought it was set so that my warden would kill the archdemon.

Only works if you use the straight forward "I WON'T LET YOU DO THIS" option.

Otherwise, if romanced Alistair is with you, he'll sacrifice himself. It's actually the most compelling ending.

My very first time playing Origins i had an Amell with a romanced Alistair, and i didn't trust Morrigan for trash so no ritual. I didn't expect him to do it, not after the way Amell screamed at him after the Lands Meet, but he did. It's super tragic and utterly depressing and easily my favourite Origins ending.

And this entire conversation is completely off Fenris-Topic and i've done nothing but fuel it. Sorry.

So i will pose a Fenris related question to make up for my never-ending side-track!

Am i the only one that sees vague similarities between Fenris and Valen Shadowbreath? Maybe i only see it because they're both somewhat broody and tormented. They're not *that* similar, not really, but when talking to Fenris there's some things that just makes my brain scream "VALEN!".

Also: Looking again at DA2 Alistair, i can't help but feel that everyone in Dragon Age 2 is made out of Play-Dough... Really, the whole never-ending puffy cheeks/jaw thing is horrible. Makes it impossible to create a Hawke with strong, sharp, features.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 20 août 2012 - 08:50 .

[AbsoluteApril]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I thought it was set so that my warden would kill the archdemon.

Only works if you use the straight forward "I WON'T LET YOU DO THIS" option.

is that dependent on him being hardned or not? I could have sworn I tried all the options on my first PT (yes, getting to the end, being shocked, reloading back and re-doing all of Denerim - lol) but this was an unhardened Alistair.

Can Hawke harden Fenris?

haha sorry just trying to stay on topic