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[Amirit]

You can do all Fenrises quests as first quests in Act2, you do not need to do anything else before, afaik.

Modifié par Amirit, 22 août 2012 - 12:23 .

[berelinde]

renjility wrote...

berelinde wrote...

It's also possible that Fenris is reacting to his own uncertainty about his life before he received his markings. He doesn't know what talents were taken from him, and he has seen magisters neutralize lesser mages before. A Bitter Pill can happen before Night Terrors, so Fenris may have already confronted and defeated Hadriana, at that point. I usually do A Bitter Pill first thing in Act 2, before Blackpowder Courtesy, because I usually do the Fenris--->Anders arc and it helps avoid complications. I'm not saying that Fenris wishes he were a mage! But if the doubt existed in his mind, it would gall him.

Bitte Pill only triggers after completing Black Powder Courtesy as far as I know?

No, it's Dissent that requires Blackpowder Courtesy. All you have to do to get A Bitter Pill is leave Kirkwall.

As soon as Act 2 begins, I go to Fenris's mansion to get the QB, then head out to "visit Feynriel" at Sundermount. That triggers A Bitter Pill. Once that's done, go back to the Hawke estate for the confrontation. After *that's* done, head out to Sundermount again to visit Feynriel for real and deal with the templars that are chasing him and then head over to the Qunari Compound to pick up the Blackpowder Courtesy quest.

I'll probably be redoing that sequence over the weekend for my fic. If anybody's interested, I can put together a video and put it up on youtube.

Modifié par berelinde, 22 août 2012 - 12:08 .

[aldien]

I haven't forgotten you Fae!

I really need to ask everyone something. It's.... *holds in Aldy anger and explodes*

Does it bother anyone else on here that BW releases information on the canon ending of their games? Doesn't that kind of negate the whole point of an rpg that has a choice of several endings? Or is this just me?

I'm to the point now that I'm ready to stop reading anything other than help guides, and  that upsets me because I do enjoy speaking to other people about the game, but I really hate being told what the story is meant to be in the end. Maybe it's just me.... *goes off to sigh*

Is it a book or is it a game? If it was a book I'd be fine with it. But the game isn't a book and I have no desire to read any of them that go along with the game. I'd rather poke a spork in my eye.

Sorry I'm derailing everyone again. I'm just trying to come to a decision because it honestly depresses me when I get into these games only to find out that the ending I have chosen as the gamer really isn't the intended ending. I just... bah!

Modifié par aldien, 22 août 2012 - 02:02 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

thats the thing canon endings are only used for a continuity issue with sequels and only Mass effect got it right for me in whatever choices I made were the right choices and moved along with the game. The only thing cannon in ME was that Reapers were coming, they are planning to **** us up and we gotta stop them.

There done deal.

But with Dragon Age.....yeah I get that feeling of am I reading a book or a game based off a book? I did not buy the game for this.....plus they actually made books to go with the game so thats additional money I gotta spend to learn outside info that I couldn't play through and affect chioces.....it all becomes complicated I just fall back to my answer of: They really wanted to write their own fantasy book.

Plus with no import in the possible 3rd? and a canceled expansion for Hawke's real closure....I think I might stay in ambiguity limbo for hawke and fenris living together peacefully in hiding,

[Dwarva]

Does anyone have an AO3 invite they could send me? I've been reading as a guest but there have been far too many times I've wanted to leave kudos and couldn't.

[berelinde]

Sorry, Staarbux, they aren't allowing members to request invites anymore. They still have the "request invite" buttons on the site, but they all direct to "Sorry, but this feature is unavailable at this time."

You can still leave kudos as a guest, and comments, too. You just can't bookmark anything or submit any stories.

[Dwarva]

Ah oh well.

Thanks hon.

Edit: Just realised even as a guest it allows you to download the stories as PDF. Can put them on my Kindle which is the next best thing.

Modifié par Staarbux, 22 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

thats the thing canon endings are only used for a continuity issue with sequels and only Mass effect got it right for me in whatever choices I made were the right choices and moved along with the game. The only thing cannon in ME was that Reapers were coming, they are planning to **** us up and we gotta stop them.

There done deal.

But with Dragon Age.....yeah I get that feeling of am I reading a book or a game based off a book? I did not buy the game for this.....plus they actually made books to go with the game so thats additional money I gotta spend to learn outside info that I couldn't play through and affect chioces.....it all becomes complicated I just fall back to my answer of: They really wanted to write their own fantasy book.

Plus with no import in the possible 3rd? and a canceled expansion for Hawke's real closure....I think I might stay in ambiguity limbo for hawke and fenris living together peacefully in hiding,

I wish I hadn't asked honestly. I  just get ignored for the most part when I ask a question like this or the Gaider brigade comes along and gives me hell.

The thing is, this is really bothering me. It did with Fenris now it's triple with Alistair. It was fun to think he could run off into the sunset with his warden. But no, today I went looking for an armor mod and I found out he is supposed to become king, or rather that's canon. So why have all the endings? Why not just tell me what I'm supposed to think? Oh wait... they did. I mean, if you want to set something in stone just make it the ending and don't give options. Much less depressing in the end. Make it a book or game not both. It just makes people angry and I can prove that because after I found out, I saw complaint after complaint on a forum ( NOT BSN) from last year. People weren't being mean or anything like that, they were just upset that their chosen ending had been negated. It takes the fun out of it and games should be fun not a depressing experience.

You know what Ghost? I hope to hell they don't give Hawke and Fenris closure. Honestly, as much as this keeps depressing me I'm not certain I will bother with DA3. Just buy the book so you are not disappointed later. Well I won't be buying it, not my sort of thing, but you can if you want Ghost

Modifié par aldien, 22 août 2012 - 02:49 .

[aldien]

I don't know who this is by but here ya go:

[aldien]

And it posted twice! I don't know who this picture was by but I hope it makes someone smile Have a nice day everyone.

Modifié par aldien, 22 août 2012 - 03:10 .

[Fiacre]

Hasn't Gaider said there is no canon, though? He needs something to base his stories off, but the exact events of the books and comics with King Alistair, living Wynne, etc. are a sort of alternate universe to your game and the choices he based them off aren't canon to the games.

I actually think it's nice that Fenris' romance was written with male Hawke in mind, but that's because of all the people I've seen whine that he should have been straight.

I do agree about Hawke, though. I like "my" Hawkes, but they feel a lot less like my characters then my Wardens do. I don't mind dialogue wheels, but I prefer DA:O's system and I think they should have stayed with that for Dragon Age.

Modifié par Fiacre, 22 août 2012 - 05:51 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

@fea: That is a good point so far especially in a game where you can control how your main character look. Granted if they say by name and left with ambiguity it doesnt hurt anyone...but when you look at the canon look, yeah it sorta makes people, including me, feel alienated. Especially when we get into gender, skin tones, personality, etc all the things that vary from player to player. And this coming from a person who loves to play as both Mages and Martial artist jobs. (with the occasional range dps)

Also Gaider DID say he wrote Fenris with male rival hawke in mind.....doesn't make it any better when I rethink it, cause it does make he canon content even worse if someone wanted a friendly relationship, or different gender....why cant they just write a character with various consistences in mind for better planning?

*sigh*

[AbsoluteApril]

long post is long...

renjility wrote...
The demon messes with his mind, shows him how he can kill Danarius with power it promises... so I would say an emotional response, although I sitll don't think the promise for power is literally the promise for magical ability. The demon could also promise to increase the possibilities of Fenris' markings... making him completely immune to spells for example.

very good point, I assumed it meant make him a mage since he said 'equal'

renjility wrote...
And I don't see him plotting revenge beyond Hadriana and Danarius.

yeah the only reason I saw it as against all magisters is because, as berelinde does, I usually do his personal quests before doing the fade quest so they are already dead.

renjility wrote...
I asked that question a long time ago here.   <snip> When Isabela asks him: "don't you wish you did not have lyrium stuck under your skin?"  Fenris replies: "I do." That says to me that Fenris is still very much unhappy with the markings, and he would not mind to have them gone.

ahh! I knew someone had brought it up before! Well. most topics have been brought up I suppose. I don't remember that banter between Isa and Fen, so thank you!

renjility wrote...
About Aveline's betrayal in the Fade: I've had it happen. The only requirement is that you take her into the Fade without Isabela in your party. Then the desire demon should tempt Aveline with her dead husband, Wesley.

I'll try it again this next PT.. for some reason I always ended up bringing someone else that trumped her once I started to make a point to hear it.

aldien wrote...
But no, today I went looking for an armor mod and I found out he is supposed to become king, or rather that's canon. So why have all the endings? Why not just tell me what I'm supposed to think?

I am not a fan of non-game content becoming game 'canon' (when it started as a game).

I've heard them (bsn/writers/dev?) say that they do create their own 'canon' and use that when writing the books and comics to keep their story consistant, but that the books and such are not default canon for the game.

I would also be quite upset if in DA3 it's written canon 'warden did the DR' or "Hawke was a mage" since that does negate so many player choices and the whole idea of 'carrying your story over'. 

I found this on the wiki, "There is no "Default Canon" for Dragon Age. According to David Gaider, the comics are going to take place in an AU that is set to cater to the most popular ending choices: Alistair is King if Ferelden and not dead, and Isabela was not handed over to the Qunari. In this way they can present backstory about Alistair (such as possibly revealing his mother) that won't necessarily apply to future games (even if his mother IS Fiona, he's still dead if you kill him.) This isn't an attempt to canonize anything, it's just the easiest way to present the story without having to worry about twenty different ending scenarios."

I recently bought all 3 book and just started The Stolen Throne yesterday.

ME3... well they did pretty good as Ghost said, however one thing I wasn't happy about was how major choices from prior games resulted in no change in ME3 (did you save the genophague cure? no? doesn't matter, we figured it out anyways. Did you kil the rachni queen? Yes? doesn't matter we cloned her even though there was nothing to clone). grr okay I'll stop. 
 

Ghost_Nappa wrote...
Plus with no import in the possible 3rd?

wait.. what?? please do tell, what has been heard? or what rumor?

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 22 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Fiacre wrote...

Hasn't Gaider said there is no canon, though? He needs something to base his stories off, but the exact events of the books and comics with King Alistair, living Wynne, etc. are a sort of alternate universe to your game and the choices he based them off aren't canon to the games.

I actually think it's nice that Fenris' romance was written with male Hawke in mind, but that's because of all the people I've seen whine that he should have been straight.

I do agree about Hawke, though. I like "my" Hawkes, but they feel a lot less like my characters then my Wardens do. I don't mind dialogue wheels, but I prefer DA:O's system and I think they should have stayed with that for Dragon Age.

Thats the thing, it isnt an alternate universe when certain info from the books creep into the game, unless you had prior knowledge to read it and just meta game it. It still reeks of "I want to write novels" vibe.

Also, yes I DID whine finding out Fenris was originally sppoe to be a homosexual LI, but not for those reasons. My reasoning was it could of gtten me to play more as a male character exploring a non idealized version of man on man. Or I could of found out in the game and harbor this friendly mama-bear persona to make sure he's alright, that either irritates him or is greatly appreciated.
If anything it just leads to a HUUUUGE what-if scenario of "What was I missing?"

In all honesty, it still would of made me love the character despite the fact I couldn't romance him...which brings up another subject of Asexual Hawke for the win!

[Ghost_Nappa]

@April: Yeah everything that happened in ME3 is like the biggest subject of what not to do in writing....Im horrible at writing essays and even I can call out the pot on it. Hence why I havent finished my first play...since march! So conflicted on either Destroy or Shoot the bad plot-item in the face for a salty response.

Oh also that is a rumor back when they held the first panel at PAX what with the import issues from origins *coughZEVRANcough* So pray its all rumor mill.

[Fiacre]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Thats the thing, it isnt an alternate universe when certain info from the books creep into the game, unless you had prior knowledge to read it and just meta game it. It still reeks of "I want to write novels" vibe.

Also, yes I DID whine finding out Fenris was originally sppoe to be a homosexual LI, but not for those reasons. My reasoning was it could of gtten me to play more as a male character exploring a non idealized version of man on man. Or I could of found out in the game and harbor this friendly mama-bear persona to make sure he's alright, that either irritates him or is greatly appreciated.
If anything it just leads to a HUUUUGE what-if scenario of "What was I missing?"

In all honesty, it still would of made me love the character despite the fact I couldn't romance him...which brings up another subject of Asexual Hawke for the win!

Wait, so your problem was that they changed him to bisexual? Or am I just understanding it wrong? Cause I can see how someone could be upset with that change. I don't mind that much since I prefer the "all LIs are bi" approach, but I can see the problem.

...Or I completely misunderstood what you said, in which case i'm sorry.

[Fiacre]

I think the rumour is because they wanted to do something that is less error prone than the current import system. I'm all for something like importing and then correcting errors or simply setting your choices from the last game in the beginning in a kind of advanced options menu if that fixes things like the Zevran errors or Wynne's sudden resurrection in Awakening.

[Dutchess]

When the cancellation of the expansion was announced, Mark Darrah mentioned at some point a "clean slate of import" for the next game. People thought this meant there would be no import in DA3, but a dev came out and said they were still definitely planning to maintain people's choices, and that the clean slate refered to import bugs. So for now they seem to be willing to keep the import. Although we still can't be 100% certain it will be included in the game.

@ April: Feynriel's fade quest is in Act 2, is it not? Then it's possible for Hadriana to be dead, but Danarius is still very much alive. So Fenris is not free yet at the time.

This is the complete banter between Isabela and Fenris I mentioned:

Fenris: So I hear you think mages should be free.
Isabela: Everyone should be free. Not just mages.
Fenris: Not everyone's dangerous.
Isabela: It's not about who's dangerous. It's about having choices made for you.
Isabela: Don't you wish you had the choice not to have lyrium stuck under your skin?
Fenris: I do.
Isabela: (Sighs) This is silly. I don't want to argue.
Fenris: Do you want to guess what color my underclothes are again?
Isabela: Oh, yes, that's much more fun.

[Dutchess]

AbsoluteApril wrote...


ME3... well they did pretty good as Ghost said, however one thing I wasn't happy about was how major choices from prior games resulted in no change in ME3 (did you save the genophague cure? no? doesn't matter, we figured it out anyways. Did you kil the rachni queen? Yes? doesn't matter we cloned her even though there was nothing to clone). grr okay I'll stop. 

I know this is not an ME3 topic, but I very much disagree with this, so I have to speak my mind.:innocent: *ME3 spoilers*
Because it does make difference. When you chose to destroy the cure in ME2, Eve the Krogan female dies. Her immune system is too weak in this case. This, in combination with Wrex not surviving, leads to the only chance to stop Mordin from sacrificing himself. 
When you killed the Rachni Queen, the Reapers but some kind of abomination back together. Sure, a bit of a shabby explanation, but at least they did not simply handwave it like (unlike dead Leliana very much alive in DA2). And in the case of this corrupted queen, when you choose to save her she betrays you afterwards.
So even though it's not a world of difference between choices, I had the feeling my different choices had different results, and that my choices were respected and implemented in the game. I don't think it's realistic to expect an even wider range of possibilities based on prior actions, because it all still has to fit in one game after all.

[AbsoluteApril]

renjility wrote...
I know this is not an ME3 topic, but I very much disagree with this, so I have to speak my mind.:innocent: *ME3 spoilers*
Because it does make difference. When you chose to destroy the cure in ME2, Eve the Krogan female dies. Her immune system is too weak in this case. This, in combination with Wrex not surviving, leads to the only chance to stop Mordin from sacrificing himself. 

ahh okay, I didn't realize that was the only way to save Mordin (I did this once, but I was being super renegade and was like - hell no, krogan can' t be cured, they'll kill us all!) I've only completed 3 PTs so far, my 4th won't import from ME2 for some reason.

renjility wrote...

When you killed the Rachni Queen, the Reapers but some kind of abomination back together.

Yeah, it's better than a complete handwave, but why have the queen at all? if she was dead, they could still clone the rachni, there were those cargo ships being sent out in ME1 that had the rachni soldiers in there that the reapers could have cloned, the 'cloned and retarded' queen didn't need to even be there except they needed to do that same scene regardless of choice (because the soldiers could still rebell and use the reason of not having a queen to teach them the song). well at least that's my opinion.


I thought the whole Leliana handwave was... a bad choice. I can deal with some hand-waving, but deaths should not be changed from game to game IMO. I can see Morrigan still being alive since she only fell through the mirror and didn't die in your arms. What's next - oh look! Danarius really wasn't killed! well.. perhaps I could live with that one simply for the chance to kill him again.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 22 août 2012 - 06:37 .

[Cosmochyck]

I'm popping in quickly to ask - is there a Fenris in DA3 thread anywhere? I saw one for Anders....

I miss Mr. Broody. Although I can't decide if I'd be afraid to see him in DA3 given how poor Zevran & Alistair looked....

[AbsoluteApril]

renjility wrote...

@ April: Feynriel's fade quest is in Act 2, is it not? Then it's possible for Hadriana to be dead, but Danarius is still very much alive. So Fenris is not free yet at the time.

oops!
well not the first time I'm wrong and won't be the last

[Dutchess]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

renjility wrote...
I know this is not an ME3 topic, but I very much disagree with this, so I have to speak my mind.:innocent: *ME3 spoilers*
Because it does make difference. When you chose to destroy the cure in ME2, Eve the Krogan female dies. Her immune system is too weak in this case. This, in combination with Wrex not surviving, leads to the only chance to stop Mordin from sacrificing himself. 

ahh okay, I didn't realize that was the only way to save Mordin (I did this once, but I was being super renegade and was like - hell no, krogan can' t be cured, they'll kill us all!) I've only completed 3 PTs so far, my 4th won't import from ME2 for some reason.

I really liked how it gave a completely different perspective when you had Wreav instead of Wrex. In the case of Wreav it is very clear the Krogan will invade when they have the chance after the Reaper war. So they really are a threat for the future... and there is more truth to the words of the Salarian Councillor. 

Very off-topic, so a link to a happy dancing Fenris: dance

PS: I turned 21 today. Now I'm really part of all the adults here.

[Flemmy]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

SurrealSadi wrote...

Oh god, FF13? I returned that to GameStop. I got to one point where all you can really do is GRIND, and my brain and love of FF games died. I adore the FF series, but I don't want to spend 40 hours GRINDING away just to be able to beat the flarking game. And that's apparently what you HAVE to do.

yeah, I'm not enjoying it all that much. Last FF game I played was FF7 (and tactics) which I loved, loved so much. This.. eh. I can't believe they took out turn based fighting, isn't that one of the major things that makes a JRPG? Plus all the fights have been so easy but then Odin I had to reload about 6-7 times, just seems very unbalanced.

I never understood the 'annoyance' or anger about FemShep or FemHawke's walking/swaying, it never bothered me, HOWEVER, after seeing Vanille prancing around, I get it! I get it now! It's driving me crazy. The only character that I could see frollic as such would be Merrill in the Viscount's garden.
ok rant over

Eww... I wouldn't like such a remake.