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[aldien]

I have a quick question i should probably ask on the Anders thread but I'll ask here first.

Can Hawke become tainted by having sex with Anders? Okay...wait maybe what I mean to ask is if a warden's blood can infect a normal person with the taint?

Modifié par aldien, 05 septembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Dutchess]

Aldien... are you trying to screw up three of the four origin romances by suggesting the warden might taint his/her lover? xD And you say I like to torture characters!

Doubt it. The Wardens "master the taint", and if being near a Warden would cause the taint to afflict you... well, they wouldn't be welcome anywhere. I don't think it can spread like an STD... but I suppose you can get away with the reasoning. The taint thing is never explained thoroughly.

[Amirit]

That is an interesting question indeed. Alistair said something like "if wardens even have to have children because of taint". From the other hand, he does not care about future queen to be tainted. And many wardens did have wifes yet nowhere it was mentioned that those wifes dyed tainted (DAA, Kristoff - happy family, Oghren and Felsi - sort of a family).

[Crimson Moon]

I don't think so. King Alistair could potentially dump you if you don't suggest to marry him at the landmeet or unhardened. He needs a wife who can produce an offspring, so if both parents are tainted then it would be almost impossible for them to have an offspring. At least, the other partner needs to be clean of the taint.

[aldien]

I know... I'm mean. What if a warden bleeds on a normal person and the warden's blood goes into their bloodstream? Do they get tainted? I also wondered if warden's can sense the taint in each other?

I had this story in mind where Alistair accidently infects a chicken with the taint because it pecked him and got part of his blood in its body. Plausible? I am being dead serious.

Modifié par aldien, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:02 .

[Crimson Moon]

aldien wrote...

I know... I'm mean. What if a warden bleeds on a normal person and the warden's blood goes into their bloodstream? Do they get tainted? I also wondered if warden's can sense the taint in each other?

I had this story in mind where Alistair accidently infects a chicken with the taint because it pecked him and got part of his blood in its body. Plausible? I am being dead serious.

Do we know exactly how the taint infect people? Aveline's husband got slashed in the back and become tainted. Hawke's sibling becomes tainted for unknown reasons. Alternatively, you can drink the blood of darkspawn to become tainted as well. What we do know is the taint has an effect on genetic since the kids of the Grey Wardens are tainted as well. I have the impression that the warden can sense each other's presence since they become akin to the darkspawn. Many people got lost in the tunnel and ate darkspawn's flesh, so they can't be detected. The darkspawns wouldn't target them because they feel that they are one of them. i feel like it is similar to the grey warden.

Modifié par Crimson Moon, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:12 .

[Amirit]

Have you payed DAA? There is a character there - Architect - who is using wardens blood to "cure" darspawn (his people). And there you learn that wardens blood is very modified version of taint.

Not to mention, should it be that easy, they would not need fresh darkspawn blood for joining ritual.

Modifié par Amirit, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:12 .

[aldien]

I thought that it was impossible for two Grey Wardens to have children? I also thought that if a Grey Warden manages to have a baby with an untainted person that the baby does not have the taint? Doesn't it say that in the wiki? Also, ummmm if a female warden gives birth isn't she cured?

It seems like a Grey Warden could be a liability from what you are saying Crimson Moon. This is perplexing.

But I thought the point of the Joining ritual Amirit was to slow the taint instead of having the effects too fast. They would tun into a ghoul if it was too fast?

[Crimson Moon]

Nevermind

Modifié par Crimson Moon, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[Amirit]

aldien wrote...
But I thought the point of the Joining ritual Amirit was to slow the taint instead of having the effects too fast. They would tun into a ghoul if it was too fast?

According to DAA and Legacy DLC - no. Wardens do not turn in to ghouls, but dying. And there are so much magic and lyrium involved in to joining that it looks like taint is not the usual taint anymore. Plus, remember Soldier Pick - experiments promised more power and more skills from that taint.

Ah, and "kids" question was never really discussed.

Have to agree, this is just not well developed part of the game. Everything is up to your imagination

[aldien]

Thank you Amirit. I appreciate it. You have a really in depth knowledge of the game. I'm envious

I think I'll do some more research on the forum since I manage to ****** people off with questions. *sighs* everything I say just makes someone mad. I honestly was curious and nothing I said was meant as an insult. Sorry if it came across that way. I guess I just didn't understand the statements.

Modifié par aldien, 05 septembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[Amirit]

aldien omg - did my posts look angry?! Did not mean it! Ever! No more annoying "smart-ass" posts from me, I promise.

[aldien]

Amirit wrote...

aldien omg - did my posts look angry?! Did not mean it! Ever! No more annoying "smart-ass" posts from me, I promise.

NO! You did absolutely nothing wrong. I swear I am cursed to write words that have hidden evil magic in them and make everything look the opposite of what it is supposed to be.

Smart ass posts are the best. Don't stop those  ever.

I asked lots of questions and got never mind. It kind of put me off. Perhaps it wasn't meant the way I took it. *shrugs* I just like to discuss things.


Thank you Fae. I appreciate your views on the subject as always. It's given me somethig to think about when it comes to Fenris and Anders. What's with men with foreign objects in their bodies? o_O

[Dutchess]

Faerunner wrote...

Don't worry about it aldien, it's a very good question and warrents being asked. =)

Could the Wardens infect their partners with the taint in their blood? Could Fenris infect his partner with the lyrium in his flesh? These need to be asked. I know Thedas is a la-la fantasy world where pregnancy and STD's are not a huge deal (well, at least the latter is none your grumpy neighborhood apostate can't cure, as Isabela learns but one should still discuss these things with their partners before flying into bed together. Especially when one partner has some weird foreign substance in their body that is known to cause extensive physical and mental damage. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise.

I'll try using the methods you've recommended Ren, I promise. I'm just putting it off like a sissy. (I don't want anything bad to happen to my computer! What if something doesn't work? What if I download a file I can't fully install or get rid of like with Neverwinter Nights? I need to know these things!)

Don't panic.:happy: Those hairs will not blow up your computer. If it doesn't work, there has to be a (often simple) solution. Certainly in this case there is not much that can go wrong. And if the hairs don't show up, it will not break your game. They will also not eat the vanilla hairs in your game and leave your Warden bald. They're hairs. Meshes. They don't mess with the coding of the game, so they will not conflict or cause bugs.
As for installation: like I said, a mod like this doesn't require a true installation process. The only thing that needs to be done is place the extracted files in the override folder. That's the installation. So deinstallation is very easy as well: just delete the whole bunch, and done. Only more complicated mods, that add conversation options for example (like the enhanced romance mods) have to be installed with a program (DAupdater, which is already on your pc when you have installed the game, it's Bioware's program, or DAOmodmanager). Even then it's dragging the files and click install, and they can be uninstalled just the same. 
But one step at a time. Just try your first simple mod, and don't stress.

An innocent Fenris picture, because the rest of the conversation is suddenly about tainted Wardens and not Fenris sinking through the ground:


gabulinka 

[aldien]

Morning Ren

An innocent Fenris picture, because the rest of the conversation is suddenly about tainted Wardens and not Fenris sinking through the ground:

Just for that Ren I'm going back to the sinking in the ground discussion. I'll take my taint elsewhere It sounds soooooo wrong.

Fae said while smoking something illegal: Have you ever noticed how characters with ghost powers across countless media almost never use it to sink through the ground? Even characters who unintentionally or uncontrollably pass though walls, trees and living being always somehow magically stay solid on the ground; you'd think they'd just fall toward the center of the earth unless/until they learned to control it and swam/climbed upwards. (I wonder how that would work?)

Have you ever seen Zoids? Do you remember the "land sharks" that could swim through the ground like water and emerge unexpectly to bite or leap at their opponents like dolphins? I always thought it would be cool if characters that could phase though solid objects used their ability to duck underground and emerge whenever they needed. *.*

If his phasing abilities are strong enough, imagine if Fenris used his markings to "swim" through the ground like a land shark and emerge suddenly with sword and claws outstretched to rip his opponents to shreds. That, I think would be cool. (Though I guess he'd be more like a wolverine or a badger; all toothy and hairy and swipping furiously with his claws.)

Fae said: And then popping up to grab at your ankles! >:] Fenris leaves no assault unfinished.

Your mind officially scares me but I liiiiiiike it. I see many possibilities for Fenris's ghosting techniques and none of them involve grabbing ankles. You made a good point. I suppose ghosting does not mean your body actually gets lighter. So if you can go through something then realistically gravity would pull you down and you would sink into the earth. That brings up the fact that Varric's idea of Fenris trying to steal coin by phasing his hand wouldn't work. He can get his hand through the purse but how do you get the solid object out?

You know all of this leads me to believe that it would be really unfair to play hide and seek with Fenris

Someone said dogs, but last night I heard Alistair say he slept in the stables on hay. Now if someone comes along and tells me that's a privileged place for a child to sleep in a cold country I'm going to give you the Fenris eyebrow.

Modifié par aldien, 06 septembre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Dutchess]

Afternoon aldy

I'm glad Hawke at least isn't tainted. It makes for a pretty tragic end.

You say that ghosting doesn't make you lighter, but now that you say/typ it... Maybe it actually does. Presumably Fenris switches to (partially) existing in the Fade. That means less of his physical form in the physical world, thus less gravity? Could be.
But pickpocketing indeed wouldn't work, it seems. To get a hold on something and take it, Fenris would have to solidify again to pull it out. So then he would have to tear the purse, and that will likely be noticed. I wonder if you feel it when Fenris has his ghost hand in you (I can see the comments on this one coming xD). The slaver seems to have felt something. But if Fenris had taken his solid form inside the slaver, that alone should have caused a big hole in his chest.

[AbsoluteApril]

maybe he can control which parts are phased, so when he has his arm in someone's chest, the arm/wrist is phased out but his fingers and palm inside the chest cavity are solid, crushing the heart, then he phases them out and pulls his arm out? So there is a hole in the chest, we just can't see it since the shell is intact?

as far as pickpocket - he'd need to phase solid 2 fingers and the person being robbed may feel that or the weight of the wallet moving OR he would somehow be able to 'phase out' the wallet as he encountered it? I don't think that is the case, however... he can phase out his armor since it goes into people.. so either his phase ability is an aura he can control around himself and objects within that space, or he has special lyrium phasing clothing and that's why he never changes outfits. discuss!


edit to add this by GoldKanet

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 06 septembre 2012 - 05:59 .

[Sialater]

Actually, I've had this discussion with my comic-book geek husband. Brought on by Kitty Pryde of all things.

You don't think about walking. You really don't. And most of the phasing these characters do is relatively conscious. So, Fenris would have to INTEND to sink through the floor.

Why he doesn't is probably a game mechanic. Too hard to show in-game. Nothing else really goes through the ground in DA2 either.

[Amirit]

Actually, Merril has this skill - moving through the ground. Never payed attention how does it look.

[Sialater]

Hmm, interesting. I don't use her enough to have seen that.

[AbsoluteApril]

Amirit wrote...

Actually, Merril has this skill - moving through the ground. Never payed attention how does it look.

found these pics in this thread http://social.biowar...index/8832569/1
looks like she surrounds herself with the energy of Stone's Throw
but it doesn't actually show her sinking or dissapearing.. you know what, I'll load this up tonight and see if I can get some more screenshots of it

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 06 septembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

Afternoon aldy

I'm glad Hawke at least isn't tainted. It makes for a pretty tragic end.

You say that ghosting doesn't make you lighter, but now that you say/typ it... Maybe it actually does. Presumably Fenris switches to (partially) existing in the Fade. That means less of his physical form in the physical world, thus less gravity? Could be.
But pickpocketing indeed wouldn't work, it seems. To get a hold on something and take it, Fenris would have to solidify again to pull it out. So then he would have to tear the purse, and that will likely be noticed. I wonder if you feel it when Fenris has his ghost hand in you (I can see the comments on this one coming xD). The slaver seems to have felt something. But if Fenris had taken his solid form inside the slaver, that alone should have caused a big hole in his chest.

I just started playing Awakenings. Saw Anders, the one everyone likes for the first time. I still think he is irritating but fun and I understand why people hated how he changed in DA2. I hope they don't do that to Fenris in DA3 even if it is just a small amount.

Less weight, but he would still have the same gravitational force on his body. What if his hand got stuck somewhere between the Fade and the physical world? He wouldn't be able to pull it out. That would be weird.

Ren said: [/i][i]I wonder if you feel it when Fenris has his ghost hand in you (I can see the comments on this one coming xD).

ROFL! Well *ahem* I guess it depends on exactly where his ghost hand is in you and exactly what it is doing.. That makes me wonder about that electrical thing Anders does. I still can't see how that would be a good time o_O

I suspect that is why Fenris wears the sharp talon like gauntlets. Once he solidifies they shred whatever they go through, whereas if it was just his hand it might hurt him. Ewwwww.

I wonder if Fenris has the ability to become a dreamer? Think he could ever learn that talent?

I just had a thought. Maybe when Fenris puts his ghosted hand into a person it is doing spirit damage before physical?

Modifié par aldien, 06 septembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[AbsoluteApril]

that's a very good thought about the pointy fingers on his armor! I always wondered why they were points besides a design element, and you just gave a great reason for it! thanks!

AbsoluteApril wrote...
looks like she surrounds herself with the energy of Stone's Throw
but it doesn't actually show her sinking or dissapearing.. you know what, I'll load this up tonight and see if I can get some more screenshots of it

ok here you go, basically she swirls (corkscrews) down into the earth and then spins out at the destination. In the middle, you can see the earth being thrown up in the spot she left as she re-appears over by Hawke.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[aldien]

Is this Xbox? I've never seen it on Xbox.

It's like she is digging through the ground. Why does this remind me of Toph from Avatar?

Thank you for the screenies