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[Amirit]

Faerunner wrote...
As others here have pointed out: can people feel his hand as he sticks it in?

I can't do it! I Can't keep silent, sorry 

If you remember "make him talk" scene - the slaver actually CAN talk whem Fenrises hand is in his chest. And it's obvious pain on his face. Looks like he does feel, as do anyone else.

[Dutchess]

Amirit wrote...

Faerunner wrote...
As others here have pointed out: can people feel his hand as he sticks it in?

I can't do it! I Can't keep silent, sorry 

If you remember "make him talk" scene - the slaver actually CAN talk whem Fenrises hand is in his chest. And it's obvious pain on his face. Looks like he does feel, as do anyone else.

Yes, I meant that slaver when I talked about it, but I think I wasn't clear enough I meant the slaver in the Feynriel quest.Obviously the sensation is unpleasant, but would that mostly be shock that someone sticks his hand in his chest, or does it really feel nasty? And how does it feel then?

[aldien]

renjility wrote...

Amirit wrote...

Faerunner wrote...
As others here have pointed out: can people feel his hand as he sticks it in?

I can't do it! I Can't keep silent, sorry 

If you remember "make him talk" scene - the slaver actually CAN talk whem Fenrises hand is in his chest. And it's obvious pain on his face. Looks like he does feel, as do anyone else.

Yes, I meant that slaver when I talked about it, but I think I wasn't clear enough I meant the slaver in the Feynriel quest.Obviously the sensation is unpleasant, but would that mostly be shock that someone sticks his hand in his chest, or does it really feel nasty? And how does it feel then?

You remember the bit where Hawke can go back and kill Du puis? I know you do Fenris has his hand in that man's chest ghosted and the man is writhing around in pain. I also noticed that he couldn't move much so it may be that Fenris's ghosted hand has him pinned somehow as well.

That also goes on for some time, long enough that the initial shock of Fenris putting his hand in Du pui's chest would wear off if he wasn't feeling anything. But no, Dupuis is feeling something alright and it can't be pleasant.

On another note, I realized that if there is no import option for DA3 then what they are going to show of Hawke will be BW's own interpretation of events. I don't know about you people but that scares me especially after playing the Darkspawn Chronicles.


Fae, about Fenris's armor, I think it is special made. Isn't it called spirit hide? But you bring up a really interesting point. How is he phasing his guantlet? His initial movement into the body does not create a hole, it's when he pulls it out. At least I seem to recall he did not create a hole in Dupui's chest or the slavers.

Modifié par aldien, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...


On another note, I realized that if there is no import option for DA3 then what they are going to show of Hawke will be BW's own interpretation of events. I don't know about you people but that scares me especially after playing the Darkspawn Chronicles.


Fae, about Fenris's armor, I think it is special made. Isn't it called spirit hide? But you bring up a really interesting point. How is he phasing his guantlet? His initial movement into the body does not create a hole, it's when he pulls it out. At least I seem to recall he did not create a hole in Dupui's chest or the slavers.

Aldien you are not the only one scared if that does happen...if anything it says the 60 hours I put into the first two games and Expansion were not worth my time wasted.....especially if they go with nosebleed hawke.
I just want to wipe his nose with antiseptic....

Also on the whole about ches holes, I almost think his ghost hands feel like ice and electricity having a party on your nerves. Dunno why, but I think its like touching an elemental.

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

aldien wrote...


On another note, I realized that if there is no import option for DA3 then what they are going to show of Hawke will be BW's own interpretation of events. I don't know about you people but that scares me especially after playing the Darkspawn Chronicles.


Fae, about Fenris's armor, I think it is special made. Isn't it called spirit hide? But you bring up a really interesting point. How is he phasing his guantlet? His initial movement into the body does not create a hole, it's when he pulls it out. At least I seem to recall he did not create a hole in Dupui's chest or the slavers.

Aldien you are not the only one scared if that does happen...if anything it says the 60 hours I put into the first two games and Expansion were not worth my time wasted.....especially if they go with nosebleed hawke.
I just want to wipe his nose with antiseptic....

Also on the whole about ches holes, I almost think his ghost hands feel like ice and electricity having a party on your nerves. Dunno why, but I think its like touching an elemental.

I flipped my lid after Darkspawn Chronicles. Half those decisions made no sense. *shrugs* It's not going to go well is it?

There are days Ghost when I wish I wouldn't venture to other parts of the forum. Jeez why so much hate for Fenris? I thought people were actually starting to comprehend his character better. Perhaps not.

I guess I just don't see the appeal of a terrorist. o_O *shrugs* each to their own.

Modifié par aldien, 07 septembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[AbsoluteApril]

Faerunner wrote...

OMG IT'S THE TASMANIAN MERRILL!! XD

LOL!!

aldien wrote...

Is this Xbox? I've never seen it on Xbox.

Yup, it sure is!

Now that I've been playing DAO on the PC for a bit, it's interesting to compare the two systems. I prefer the ease of combat on the PC but the character and camera movement on the xbox (plus, I prefer using the controller since I use a mouse all day at work... damn hand cramping up).

**
I've said this before but as far as import choices - I really hope they carry through and if not, at least give us a 'genesis' at the beginning so we can select the major choices that were made. In a way, I'd prefer the ability to select the prior game choices because then it negates any issues with import flag bugs. I still hold out hope - 'your choices matter' was the main reason I picked up BIoWare games.. the romance stuff keeps me coming back for more.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 07 septembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Amirit]

You see it all wrong - read it like "yes, Fenris has some problems but we still love him despite everything"

[aldien]

Faerunner wrote...

aldien wrote...

I flipped my lid after Darkspawn Chronicles. Half those decisions made no sense. *shrugs* It's not going to go well is it?

What was it about Darkspawn Chronicles that upset you so much, if you don't mind me asking?

aldien wrote...

There are days Ghost when I wish I wouldn't venture to other parts of the forum. Jeez why so much hate for Fenris? I thought people were actually starting to comprehend his character better. Perhaps not.

I guess I just don't see the appeal of a terrorist. o_O *shrugs* each to their own.

To play demon's advocate, Anders doesn't become a terrorist until the very end of the game and it's very well explained why and how he got that way over many years. Though he slowly got worse over the years, he started out very decent and I think it's that part of him that many people like. Even I admit to liking the "Anders" part of him and not the corrupted Justice influence. (Poor Anders and Justice. They were both such good people in Awakening. This relationship of theirs is so destructive and unhealthy. They quite literally bring out the worst in each other.)

One of the reasons why I can't hate Anders is because, underneath his whiney, selfish, petty, hypocritical exterior: at the end of the day, he just wants to help people. He wants to make the world a better place for other people to live in. Heck, when he's not on his "mages should be free!" crusade, he spends all his time when he's not with Hawke running a hospice for sick and poor refugees. That takes moral fibre. (I can kind of see my character paling around with Anders in the hospice during off-days because of their shared sense of altruism--though I imagine she focuses more on elves while he focuses more on mages.)

As much as I love Fenris... he really doesn't. The altruist in me wants to whimper every time Fenris expresses disapproval or indifference in helping others. Granted, he's got problems of his own, but still.... I want to save the world. Share my passion to save world, Fenris!  

I have a hard time with Xbox. My hand coordination is not great so I often press the wrong button and then have to do it all over again. Can you save DA games at any point on Xbox or do you have to wait for halfway points?

Hehehe I knew this was going to open a can of worms.

I have to admit that I did warm up to Anders in Awakening. I haven't finished it yet so the jury is still out. I would have happily romanced in him in Awakenings.

But... he's still a terrorist. We could make excuses for him, mention all his fine qualities, but at the end of the day he kills many innocent people, probably half of hightown and I think the crux of the situation is that he would do it again in the name of justice. He gets the knife from me every time for that reason. He's out of control.

One of the reasons why I can't hate Anders is because, underneath his
whiney, selfish, petty, hypocritical exterior: at the end of the day, he
just wants to help people.

Does he? He wants vengence for the life he has to lead, for all the wrongs that have been inflicted upon him. But it's all very egotistical. He's the cause of mages, he's their saviour, he left no compromise and he did all these things and assumed that's what all mages would want. He makes the choice for them, plays Maker and decides who should live and who should die. He has self appointed himself as the person who knows best. Tell me that's not selfish and egotistical?

And what about Hawke? He can say Hawke wouldn't thank him for his plan but he throws Hawke in the middle of it all in the end. He ruins Hawke's life and the lives of his/her friends if you side with mages. He becomes a martyr if you kill him, a risk if you keep him or let him go. She/he may have been put in the position to fight against either their own sister or brother. Anders forces all of this without thought to others.

He helps people in Lowtown and they admire him and you can see from Lerine (Larine?) that they want to keep him secret and protect him. The guys waiting for you outside the shop prove that. He has wormed his way into a beneficial situation. Anders is extremely intelligent, charming when he wants to be and manipulative. He knows how to survive and he knows how to play on people's emotions.

Fenris doesn't have the gift of magic, he doesn't have any coin, he is being hunted, the Dalish are prejudice against his kind, the city elves I think he feels would never understand him, might even be frightened of him if they aren't willing get to know him and he doesn't really comprehend them. Plus, they'd see him as a danger to keep around in the alienage. What he sees is that he has pulled himself out of a very dark brainwashed situation and fought hard to not have himself literally skinned. He has always done for others, always pleased people and now he is being selfish. Well I say good on him..

He wants to make the world a better place
for other people to live in.

I think all he cares about is wanting to make it better for mages. He says one day we will live in a world where mages can be free. He doesn't say everyone. He sympathises only when it is an injustice to a mage.

Heck, when he's not on his "mages should be
free!" crusade, he spends all his time when he's not with Hawke running
a hospice for sick and poor refugees. That takes moral fibre. (I can
kind of see my character paling around with Anders in the hospice during
off-days because of their shared sense of altruism--though I imagine
she focuses more on elves while he focuses more on mages.)

When Anders is in the hospice he's writing his manifesto on behalf of all mages I suspect


As much as I love Fenris... he really doesn't. The altruist in me wants
to whimper every time Fenris expresses disapproval or indifference in
helping others. Granted, he's got problems of his own, but still.... I
want to save the world. Share my passion to save world, Fenris! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Hawke is an enabler in the game. She/he helps keep dysfunctional situations going, probably to feel needed or play the hero. Fenris is a realist. Anders is an idealist and Sol is a herbalist Sorry I couldn't resist. Fenris does help others. He could have abandoned Hawke after Danarius's death but he doesn't. Look at that outside of the romantic relationship, just Hawke and him as friends. He stays at Hawke's side, helps mages even when he doesn't agree with it and agrees when Hawke does help the average person. He also will fight for mages at the end. That's a big deal. He's fighting for the very people who could go out and start another Imperium. Anders reasons are much more selfish in my opinion and he truly uses Hawke to get what he wants all through the game. Fenris always upfront. No missions to go collect strange substances and not say why. No please go talk to grand cleric or I won't be your friend. Oh the guilt! Anders uses every underhanded method in the book. Fenris just tells you like it is and I think that gets to people.

The only way Fenris can truly help someone is to have Hawke as his representitive. Tell me most people are going to trust a guy with strange markings all over his body and an elf to boot? But he does help when asked. The rest of the time he gets drunk. I can live with that

Modifié par aldien, 07 septembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[Amirit]

"if it's important, you'll find a way; if not, you'll find an excuse" ©

[Dutchess]

Bah, Anders. I hate Anders. I'm hating him more and more. He is a hypocrite. He dares to talk negatively about Fenris or Merrill when Hawke is in a relationship with them, calling Fenris a wild dog instead of a man, and asks if Hawke wouldn't want someone more open-minded (= MEMEMEME!). And that at the beginning of the quest in which he is gathering ingredients to blow up the Chantry, exactly doing what he accuses Fenris/Merrill of what HE is about to do: namely betraying Hawke's trust. He has a plan that will drag Hawke into a battle, even war, without Hawke having any clue. That's not caring about others. And if Hawke refuses to help him, he still manages to place the bomb, so he didn't even really need to ask Hawke to get involved in the first place.

Whatever you say about Fenris, at least he is honest with Hawke. Yes, he chooses to tell things on his own time, when he is ready, but he doesn't lie (apart from the set up in the very beginning, but as a hunted slave he is forced to be careful, so I think you can't truly blame him for that). I think that is a very important quality, and especially for someone with Fenris' past it is admirable he eventually dares to open up and reveal something about himself. And when he needs help he says why, and he almost begs Hawke when he/she shows some doubts. He doesn't resort to petty blackmail.

Team Fenris all the way!


Wolfs-Angel17 



gabulinka

Modifié par renjility, 07 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[Sialater]

So, on Tumblr, someone asked one of those "explain your OTP" memes and asked me about Fenris/Hawke.

Well, I specifically ship Fenris with FemMageHawke. Leaving out all the meta reasons (I prefer Carver to Bethany, I prefer playing mage, period), I have lots of in-game reasons, too.

In both friend- and rivalmance, Hawke can be an abusive, enabling ****. I think I’ve learned to navigate the dialog choices enough where my Hawkes are neither. What I aim for in a Friendmanced Hawke is someone who can see his pain and help him overcome it, gently, while taking in his perception of mages into account in her own actions with magic. With her help, he sees that not all mages are alike and with his help, she sees that magic is far more dangerous and seductive than she ever thought. He can help guide her morality in this just as she can temper his harshness.

With Rivalmance, there’s a whole lot of not putting up with each other’s ****. Hawke calls bull**** on Fenris’ avoidance of intimacy and he calls bull**** on her blindness of the sainthood of mages.

I think default Hawke canonically always enters Kirkwall with a rather pollyanna-ish attitude towards mages. After all, her sister and father were mages and they’d never hurt anyone. And she, herself, is an honorable mage, or at least, she tries to be. (Of course, you can play Hawke however you want, but I think the narrative is set up so that default-wise, Hawke is naive.)

Fenris is a giant blinking neon sign that Hawke is wrong.

When he leaves her, it’s heartbreaking. But, he still cares for her as witnessed by the favors he wears and the fact that he never really leaves the city and still comes when she calls. I think, at that point, he’s struggling with the possibility of Hawke leashing him even further than Danarius ever had.

And then there’s the whole symbolism of them both being named for wild animals…. who often mate for life. And then I go into incoherent fangirling.

[aldien]

Sialater wrote...

So, on Tumblr, someone asked one of those "explain your OTP" memes and asked me about Fenris/Hawke.

Well, I specifically ship Fenris with FemMageHawke. Leaving out all the meta reasons (I prefer Carver to Bethany, I prefer playing mage, period), I have lots of in-game reasons, too.

In both friend- and rivalmance, Hawke can be an abusive, enabling ****. I think I’ve learned to navigate the dialog choices enough where my Hawkes are neither. What I aim for in a Friendmanced Hawke is someone who can see his pain and help him overcome it, gently, while taking in his perception of mages into account in her own actions with magic. With her help, he sees that not all mages are alike and with his help, she sees that magic is far more dangerous and seductive than she ever thought. He can help guide her morality in this just as she can temper his harshness.

With Rivalmance, there’s a whole lot of not putting up with each other’s ****. Hawke calls bull**** on Fenris’ avoidance of intimacy and he calls bull**** on her blindness of the sainthood of mages.

I think default Hawke canonically always enters Kirkwall with a rather pollyanna-ish attitude towards mages. After all, her sister and father were mages and they’d never hurt anyone. And she, herself, is an honorable mage, or at least, she tries to be. (Of course, you can play Hawke however you want, but I think the narrative is set up so that default-wise, Hawke is naive.)

Fenris is a giant blinking neon sign that Hawke is wrong.

When he leaves her, it’s heartbreaking. But, he still cares for her as witnessed by the favors he wears and the fact that he never really leaves the city and still comes when she calls. I think, at that point, he’s struggling with the possibility of Hawke leashing him even further than Danarius ever had.

And then there’s the whole symbolism of them both being named for wild animals…. who often mate for life. And then I go into incoherent fangirling.

Ah I loved that. That was beautifully said.  It's how I play my Hawke so I am biased. Ren prefers rival Hawke I think but I could never get into that for the exact reasons you mentioned.

I really loved how you described Fenris too, He's very complicated and so is his relationship with Hawke, I feel. It takes time to understand him and peel back the layers, but once you do it's hard not to love him. 

Thank you for sharing You made me gush.

[Ghost_Nappa]

@Ren, Aldy and Sia.....you pretty much summed up my feelings.

Aldy more so with Anders, and Sia for Fenris. So in essence...go team Fenris.

Oh, I might as well jut say Aldy chat with me....got far on that naughty drawing for ya.

[Sialater]

You're both very welcome.

[aldien]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

@Ren, Aldy and Sia.....you pretty much summed up my feelings.

Aldy more so with Anders, and Sia for Fenris. So in essence...go team Fenris.

Oh, I might as well jut say Aldy chat with me....got far on that naughty drawing for ya.

Oh! I love naughty and Fenris.

Team Fenris ftw. Now I feel nerdy.

Seriously, though I loved what Sia said. I already knew Ren was going to have something to say about Anders. There used to be a bunch of others on here that would suddenly have an Anders rant out of nowhere. It was quite humorous. I've had a bad day! Anders rant!

May the Fenris thread and Anders thread never meet. It would be scary.

I just finished up a new chapter of Lyrium Ghost, which I am dedicating to you and Letti. (Ren is trying to steal my title I see She's just jealous   *pets Ren* I'm joking.

Are you going to be around later Ghost? I have to go do something really boring.

And Fenris is better than Anders There.

[Sialater]

Well, I actually adore Anders, too. For very different reasons. And yes, he's a terrorist.

Fenris just sorta snuck in and surprised me. Kinda like Zevran did. Damn those sneaky elves.

[Ghost_Nappa]

aldien wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

@Ren, Aldy and Sia.....you pretty much summed up my feelings.

Aldy more so with Anders, and Sia for Fenris. So in essence...go team Fenris.

Oh, I might as well jut say Aldy chat with me....got far on that naughty drawing for ya.

Oh! I love naughty and Fenris.

Team Fenris ftw. Now I feel nerdy.

Seriously, though I loved what Sia said. I already knew Ren was going to have something to say about Anders. There used to be a bunch of others on here that would suddenly have an Anders rant out of nowhere. It was quite humorous. I've had a bad day! Anders rant!

May the Fenris thread and Anders thread never meet. It would be scary.

I just finished up a new chapter of Lyrium Ghost, which I am dedicating to you and Letti. (Ren is trying to steal my title I see She's just jealous   *pets Ren* I'm joking.

Are you going to be around later Ghost? I have to go do something really boring.

And Fenris is better than Anders There.

Yeah Im studying about 50 pages for my class so I got nothing better to do.

Also I have to again I got ninjamanced by Fenris on my first gameplay....and I was sooo uninterested cause I wanted Anders....then when he went all kablooey on me, I decided in my head to make him Tranquil and not kill him....but that makes him a martyr in some odd way. No wait they can reverse it, so nevermind.

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

@Ren, Aldy and Sia.....you pretty much summed up my feelings.

Aldy more so with Anders, and Sia for Fenris. So in essence...go team Fenris.

Oh, I might as well jut say Aldy chat with me....got far on that naughty drawing for ya.

Oh! I love naughty and Fenris.

Team Fenris ftw. Now I feel nerdy.

Seriously, though I loved what Sia said. I already knew Ren was going to have something to say about Anders. There used to be a bunch of others on here that would suddenly have an Anders rant out of nowhere. It was quite humorous. I've had a bad day! Anders rant!

May the Fenris thread and Anders thread never meet. It would be scary.

I just finished up a new chapter of Lyrium Ghost, which I am dedicating to you and Letti. (Ren is trying to steal my title I see She's just jealous   *pets Ren* I'm joking.

Are you going to be around later Ghost? I have to go do something really boring.

And Fenris is better than Anders There.

Have I stolen your title?:lol: Sorry about the Anders rant... can't like him, even though I tried. *cleans murder knife*

[Amirit]

aldien you are such a sweet kid I mean no offence!!! All I want to say - such freshness, even chastity in feelings is a quality of a very young soul.

Like that description Sialater posted. Agree, that this is the perfect way to look at Fenris-mage Hawk relationships.

[coldwetn0se]

Amirit wrote...

aldien you are such a sweet kid I mean no offence!!! All I want to say - such freshness, even chastity in feelings is a quality of a very young soul.

Like that description Sialater posted. Agree, that this is the perfect way to look at Fenris-mage Hawk relationships.

hehehe....I was all prepared to come into this thread all grumbly (not from any of you; some other thread), but Amirit calling aldien a "sweet kid" just tickled me 

Oh man.....she's gonna kick my arse now.  Just remember aldien, old brittle bone break...HA!

[aldien]

Wino night for me! Weeeeeee!

It's like twilight zone material this.

Coldie said: hehehe....I was all prepared to come into this thread all grumbly (not from any of you; some other thread), but Amirit calling aldien a "sweet kid" just tickled me

Maker's breath what did I do to deserve you, Coldie? Who has been rattling your chain? I know I read something recently that would do it. Me loves you Coldie. Don't let them get to you.

Oh man.....she's gonna kick my arse now. Just remember aldien, old brittle bone break...HA!

*sighs* You are enjoying this waaaaaay too much. ;)I see it. I see the little satisfied smirk.

My boot is ready. Bend over! I uhhhhh mean that in the platonic sense. Boots... bend over... hmmm new fetish?

Amirit said: aldien you are such a sweet kid I mean no offence!!! All I want to say - such freshness, even chastity in feelings is a quality of a very young soul.

Ummmm.... well I... you know I just don't know what to say to that. Thank you? Chastity and my name in the same sentence hasn't been said for more than two decades. And kid? Well I'm no spring chicken. Actually, I decided on grumpy old woman ages ago. Shut up Coldie!

Thank you Amirit. It was very sweet. Please know that even though we complain about Anders on here, and some of us are very Fenris biased, that no one expects people to just love Fenris without question. I don't. He gets on my ****** and often... that didn't sound right. I find his flaws endearing. It's fine to just find him attractive and nothing else And it's doubly fine to love Anders and Fenris both and complain about them both! They are men after all

*pets Fae* Don't let Anders come between us.

Ren, remind me to never get on your bad side.

Modifié par aldien, 08 septembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[coldwetn0se]

aldien wrote...

Wino night for me! Weeeeeee!

It's like twilight zone material this.

Coldie said: hehehe....I was all prepared to come into this thread all grumbly (not from any of you; some other thread), but Amirit calling aldien a "sweet kid" just tickled me

Maker's breath what did I do to deserve you, Coldie? Who has been rattling your chain? I know I read something recently that would do it. Me loves you Coldie. Don't let them get to you.

Oh man.....she's gonna kick my arse now. Just remember aldien, old brittle bone break...HA!

*sighs* You are enjoying this waaaaaay too much. ;)I see it. I see the little satisfied smirk.

My boot is ready. Bend over! I uhhhhh mean that in the platonic sense. Boots... bend over... hmmm new fetish?

Amirit said: aldien you are such a sweet kid I mean no offence!!! All I want to say - such freshness, even chastity in feelings is a quality of a very young soul.

Ummmm.... well I... you know I just don't know what to say to that. Thank you? Chastity and my name in the same sentence hasn't been said for more than two decades. And kid? Well I'm no spring chicken. Actually, I decided on grumpy old woman ages ago. Shut up Coldie!

Thank you Amirit. It was very sweet. Please know that even though we complain about Anders on here, and some of us are very Fenris biased, that no one expects people to just love Fenris without question. I don't. He gets on my ****** and often... that didn't sound right. I find his flaws endearing. It's fine to just find him attractive and nothing else And it's doubly fine to love Anders and Fenris both and complain about them both! They are men after all

*pets Fae* Don't let Anders come between us.

Ren, remind me to never get on your bad side.

*teehee*  *coldi swipes aldien's wine bottle, runs away cackling!*

Ok, I love the description you gave yourself, but I think there are enough of us to form G.O.A.T (grumpy ole' lady team).  Kinda gives a new meaning to "You ole' goat!".........ba-dum-tch!  .........be here all week.

I am with you aldien; I say spread the love if you want.  That is the beauty of having more than one or two LI's AND RPing replayability!!  Love it!