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[CuriousArtemis]

aldien wrote...

I have a hard time with Xbox. My hand coordination is not great so I often press the wrong button and then have to do it all over again. Can you save DA games at any point on Xbox or do you have to wait for halfway points?

You can save anytime. Haven't heard of a game with "save spots" since Halo. But I'm sure they certainly still do exist.

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

Ren, remind me to never get on your bad side.

Aw, such a sweet kid as you has nothing to fear! *goes hiding*

[Dutchess]

I have another question related to Fenris' markings (and them possibly becoming unstable). Sorry to those who are tired of the subject by now. It's not a big question!

Would Sandal possibly know something about Fenris' markings? Or at least be able to help if the markings become unstable? With writing I've been playing a bit with that Sandal enthusiastically shouts "enchantment!" whenever he sees Fenris. Of course it's one of the few things he says, but with lyrium in strange patterns all over him, isn't Fenris some kind of walking enchantment? Could the ritual have been comparable to the enchanting process?

[Amirit]

One analytical post - and I was kicked out of "Fenris team" into " Anders lovers"

How about compromise? For self-centered and/or bossy save-the-puppy-but-hell-with-the-world Hawk Fenris is an ideal match. And world concerned freedom/order fighter Hawk can get herself a flaming pair namely Anders?

And if it does not work I totally agree with you, Aldien - " And it's doubly fine to love Anders and Fenris both and complain about them both! They are men after all "

As for Sandal - a very funny and cute idea Just imagine how annoyed Fenris will be

[coldwetn0se]

I don't generally like to talk about Anders in this thread, but I have done my fair share of thread derailing (hello sexy nekkid mods in DAO....I'm such a perv), but with all this chatter about Anders (and by extension the differences in romance/likeability between Anders and Fenris) I decided to weigh in with my .02.

Many moons ago, I posted these thoughts on another thread, regarding my opinions on Anders.  Some people bring up the differences in Anders between DAA and DA2, others it's about his romance
(sweet vs. *insert opposing reason here*), and still others it is all about the Justice/Venegence - Mage rebellion idea (and all subsequent quests, dialogues and outcomes of Anders). 

While all of those things are considered when RPing a particular Hawke, the biggest issue I hold is not the fault of the character (if you can even really fault ANY character...they are a product of writers and us, after all).  Instead it is regarding the change from DAA to DA2, but it is NOT what you think.  When DA2 came out, and people brought up inconsistencies with DA2 and the previous installments, especially epilogue slides, they were told that ALL epilogue slides could be "handwaved" as rumor.  So they might be true, or they might not.  I didn't care for this in the least.  Anders, unfortunately falls into this unpleasantness. 

I have a photo of the epilogue slide that I have gotten every time I have played DAA, for Anders fate.  This, unfortunately, doesn't jived with the Anders we got in DA2.  And Jennifer Hepler's short story did not help.  To me, it was SO jarring that I couldn't even take the character seriously the first time I played through the game (and it should be noted, I still thoroughly enjoyed the game).  To counter act this immersion breaking character, I chose never to bring him along unless I had to.  I lost my sibling (bye-bye Beth), and Isabella that play through (though Issy was just sort of redundant at the time; I was playing as a DW Rogue and was still figuring stuff out about the game; so she got ignored......ah well.)  It probably didn't help either that he physically looked different, and had a different VA (this in NOT me suggesting that either he was drawn poorly in DA2 OR that Adam Howden did a bad job on his voice.....not at all.).

So, once I completed the game the first time, I recounted all that I had experienced, and decided I needed to change a few things.  I needed to figure out how I could reconcile with this new Anders.  The Justice thing was difficult, since I only ever used Justice in one play through of DAA, and they were still not together at the end in any of my DAA play throughs (eventually, I stopped using Justice alltogether.....was never a big fan.)  Between my lack of feelings for Justice, and the issues I had with Anders, I decided to take a completely different approach.  For my latter play throughs, I decided he was NOT the Anders from DAA.    I know, that sounds/reads silly, but it truly helped.  I simply imagined that he became a Warden around the same time as the other Anders, similar background, and "ran" into Justice at some point.  Don't judge!  It did actually help.....for a while.  Eventually though, it stopped working.  But, I have now played this game so many times that I'm not as affected by his story anymore.  When I think about it to much, it still rubs me the wrong way, but......meh.

Final note.  Personally, I'm not a huge fan of his romance, but I don't hate the guy......until Act 3.  HA!  Even then, my "feelings" for him vary from PT to PT; it all depends on how I am RPing my Hawkes.  And as for Fenris and Anders; I follow with Varric's comment in Legacy, suggesting that they are two sides of the same coin.  In other words; quite a bit a like, but with enough differences for them to appeal (or not) to different people or for different reasons.

*hands out cookies for all those that would bother to read this bloated and unnecessary post.*

[aldien]

Hangover... uggg

*Sighs* Anders...


Fae said: I think you're taking Act 3 Anders and accusing him of being like that since day one. Simply put, he's not the same person by the end of Act 3 as he was through the rest of the game. If you pay attention, you notice that he starts out relatively reasonable but only becomes slowly more obsessive and extreme as time goes on. (Thank you Justice.)

If you reject his advances he goes all Justice on you and that is in Act 1 Once I saw that it freaked me out and had some not-so-happy undertones for me. DA2 Anders is badly written. Don't make me quote the romance dialogue between him and Hawke after they have been together. *cringes* It was... no just can't. Plus, there is the 'we will make a world' speech in the middle of some dialogue that sounds off and he's simply too over the top and melodramatic. It's like a bad soap opera listening to him at times in DA2.

Fae said:[/i] as I think you or someone else points out how he says elves should stand up with mages against their oppressors), but I think his main focus is with mages because he personally identifies with them and, let's be honest, what they go through is pretty extreme.

In my opinion, he says that because he loves the idea mages would have a larger number of people backing them. It's not about the elves. It's about trying to get Fenris to care for his cause without really knowing Fenris.

The comment when Danarius comes to get Fenris, if you hand him over, negates everything Anders says about elves, slavery and general good feelings towards others for me. Some may say he is too far gone at that point, but he only shows that side when there is an injustice to mages.

There stands Danarius, a prime example as to why people fear mages and Anders is happy to see Fenris go back to him. Anders talks about how he dislikes blood magic, but yet, yes let's give Fenris back to one and let him go his merry way! If he felt that was a true injustice, Justice would come out. But he doesn't.

Fae said: "Anders uses Hawke to get what he wants throughout the whole game." Yes, rescuing his friend and lover Karl from the Gallows, saving dozens of mages from being illegally tranquilized by an abusive templar... what a selfish ****. (Granted, the final quest with the bomb and such is terrible, but again, by that point, Anders is so far drowned in Justice that he barely knows which way is up. He can be made to see the error of his ways, not that it helps...)

Well... that's using Hawke to get what he wants. He leaves out very important details on many of the missions. He doesn't tell Hawke about Justice until after the fact. Hawke doesn't get all of the details just enough to convince Hawke of rescuing Karl. Hawke may have changed his/her mind if they had known of Justice prior to the mission. Anders even says he understands if Hawke doesn't want him around any longer. He knows he has been dishonest. The only thing Anders ever does that I find extremely kind is when he helps Hawke find the Grey Wardens to save Carver/Bethany. That is the one selfless act I see him commit.

I have to say with the romance after the love scene when he starts on about living with Hawke alarm bells go off. Is he with Hawke because he loves him/her or because it serves his purpose? Seems like an awkward time to be having the 'can I stay here' conversation. And then there is the 'i love you' right before the 'can I stay here' conversation.. I just can't help but think he is using Hawke. I've tried but I can't see past these things. There's too much doubt, especially since Fenris is so straightforward. *shrugs* Sorry.


Ren said: Would Sandal possibly know something about Fenris' markings? Or at least be able to help if the markings become unstable? With writing I've been playing a bit with that Sandal enthusiastically shouts "enchantment!" whenever he sees Fenris. Of course it's one of the few things he says, but with lyrium in strange patterns all over him, isn't Fenris some kind of walking enchantment? Could the ritual have been comparable to the enchanting process?

Ooooooooh I like that idea. *steals it* j/k Hmmmmm.... can you enchant a living being... this makes me think of the Anvil of the Void for some reason. I think you have to consider exactly what it is that can stabilize Fenris. Perhaos he needs to be re-enchanted in order to be stabilized? Maybe the enchanting process makes the markings stronger so that if they have become weak they do not break down? Perhaps they hold the lyrium in so it doesn't poison his body? I don't know but it is fascinating to think of Fenris as one big walking rune.

Hypothesizing...

Also, with the Anvill I remember the discussion about people having to sacrifice themselves so the others could live. What if Danarius had to sacrifice a multitude of slaves to enchant Fenris's body with the markings? If he found that out it would upset him to no end. Just a thought.

I think you are definitely onto something there. It's not every day that I call you clever

Amirit said: One analytical post - and I was kicked out of "Fenris team" into " Anders lovers"

You can't be kicked out of team Fenris unless you decide not to renew your membership

Coldie said: [*teehee* *coldi swipes aldien's wine bottle, runs away cackling!

Ok, I love the description you gave yourself, but I think there are enough of us to form G.O.A.T (grumpy ole' lady team). Kinda gives a new meaning to "You ole' goat!".........ba-dum-tch!http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png .........be here all week.http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I am with you aldien; I say spread the love if you want. That is the beauty of having more than one or two LI's AND RPing replayability!! Love it!

I think i;ve managed to spread the hate in this instance o_O

You were either tipsy or drunk last night. ;) Sign me up for team G.O.A.T! You can be president since you are the grumpiest ;)

Your making me think of Vick Reeves. Stop it! I'll get that silly song he sings in my head.

Coldie said:[i] NOT the Anders from DAA. http://social.biowar...ticons/w00t.png I know, that sounds/reads silly, but it truly helped. I simply imagined that he became a Warden around the same time as the other Anders, similar background, and "ran" into Justice at some point. Don't judge!

It doesn't sound silly at all. Awakenings Anders I like for the most part. At this point, I have to look at it that way because I know what happens in DA2. I just can't dislike DAA Anders. Sounds like a good short term solution. But DA2 Anders... even as a mage sympathizer my Hawke can't see past his craziness. Plus, Fenris is just too sexy.

Coldie, are you sure those are chocolate chips?

Modifié par aldien, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote... 

Ooooooooh I like that idea. *steals it* j/k Hmmmmm.... can you enchant a living being... this makes me think of the Anvil of the Void for some reason. I think you have to consider exactly what it is that can stabilize Fenris. Perhaos he needs to be re-enchanted in order to be stabilized? Maybe the enchanting process makes the markings stronger so that if they have become weak they do not break down? Perhaps they hold the lyrium in so it doesn't poison his body? I don't know but it is fascinating to think of Fenris as one big walking rune.

Enchantment!

I'm not sure how to work out this idea further, so I wouldn't really mind if you stole (borrowed sounds nicer ) it and went your own way with it. It was just an hypothesis, and I don't know if I will really use it. Letting them go to Tevinter has my priority. But... maybe when everything fails there, they might stumble on Sandal again. Problem is also how to contact Sandal by the time it is needed. Especially when Hawke sided with the mages, because then he/she could not simply return to Kirkwall. That, and Bodahn and Sandal have probably left by then. Didn't Bodahn say something about going to Orlais? How do you find two dwarves in Orlais?

Hypothesizing...

Also, with the Anvill I remember the discussion about people having to sacrifice themselves so the others could live. What if Danarius had to sacrifice a multitude of slaves to enchant Fenris's body with the markings? If he found that out it would upset him to no end. Just a thought.

Golemn Fenris?  That probably doesn't cuddle very nicely.

I think you are definitely onto something there. It's not every day that I call you clever

No, usually you stick to calling me evil and mean. At least I'm now clever as well.

[Amirit]

aldien wrote...
You can't be kicked out of team Fenris unless you decide not to renew your membership

Already done (renewed all the way!   Though it's a bit of pain - my favourite combination is Fenris-mage Hawk. But Mage Hawk is such a horrible arteficial Mary Sue... Did not plan to play it seriously, just tryed fresh morfing mod and liked resulting Hawk too much.

Speaking of morfing. Need help of those of you who do it for years. There are several files from that huge project that you can not dounload anymore. And one of the most important - LSs Eyes Pack by Juliana Giraud can not be found anywhere. Can it be that some of you got it a year back and can share?

Modifié par Amirit, 09 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[Ghost_Nappa]

Amirit wrote...

aldien wrote...
You can't be kicked out of team Fenris unless you decide not to renew your membership

Already done!   Though it's a bit of pain - my favourite combination is Fenris-mage Hawk. But Mage Hawk is such a horrible arteficial Mary Sue... Did not plan to play it seriously, just tryed fresh morfing mod and liked resulting Hawk too much.

Speaking of morfing. Need help of those of you who do it for years. There are several files from that huge project that you can not dounload anymore. And one of the most important - LSs Eyes Pack by Juliana Giraud can not be found anywhere. Can it be that some of you got it a year back and can share?

Hey mageHAwke is only a mary sue if you play him/her like a mary sue.  If anything irs roughe!hawkes that are the ultimate mary sues doing acrobatic twists and flipping over the air, dressed like replica isabelas....Im kidding but seriously.
As much as mary sues come off negative a good character is played well no matter the job class....its just players that sometimes ruin them. And with my experience playing with friends on table top RP games, blame my husband for getting me into them, I have run into friends who do that all the time and those who roleplay well.''

For me I'll always yell my support for mage!hawke(which I so desperately wanted to have arcane warrior speced) due to one thing only....Im the healer healing my Fenris tank.
Come at me Danarius!

[Amirit]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...
Hey mageHAwke is only a mary sue if you play him/her like a mary sue. 

No, sorry, in DA2 mage Hawk is the biggest Mary Sue of them all. And I am saying this while I DO like to play as mage, it fits the idea of the plot better then any other, etc., etc. I just 200% agree with that post http://social.biowar.../index/6927302 
The game mechanic's sucks here a lot.

Modifié par Amirit, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[coldwetn0se]

I find Mage!Hawke to (at best) be a bit of a "Canon Sue", but not so much a Mary Sue (and yes; I DO consider them different.). A canon sue is often related to the characters position, because of the fact that they are not acknowledged in the setting as an Apostate (in the case of Mage!Hawke); trapsing around the game without to much interference regarding said apostate status. However, Meridith is keenly aware (at least by the end of Act 2 onwards) that Hawke IS in fact an apostate. Doesn't really matter though, since the definition as I see it for a Canon Sue still applies.

As for a Mary Sue; no. Unless, as Ghostnappa says, you purposefully RP your Mage!Hawkes that way. I know I don't, so I find ways to "deal" with the Canon Sue aspect, and leave it at that. For me, the two most immersion breaking moments with the whole Canon Sue thing (gettin' sick of me using that word yet??? hehe), is your entrance into Kirkwall when your stuck in the Gallows at the beginning, and meeting up with Cullen near the Wounded Coast in the quest "Enemy Among Us". Considering the countless games and times I have managed to foil my own immersion in a game, I can certainly let this go. Of course, most things like this get easier the more times you play; finding ways within your OWN imagination to counter them (and sometimes finding ways to avoid them).

@Amirit - sorry to hear that you no longer care for Fenris. It's always sad when I see people decide they no longer like certain characters. Usually with time, I begin to appreciate most characters. Even ones that rubbed me the wrong way in the beginning. Then again, I don't usually dislike characters; just what writers might do to them.

**EDIT**

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 09 septembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[Amirit]

coldwetn0se wrote...
@Amirit - sorry to hear that you no longer care for Fenris. It's always sad when I see people decide they no longer like certain characters. Usually with time, I begin to appreciate most characters. Even ones that rubbed me the wrong way in the beginning. Then again, I don't usually dislike characters; just what writers might do to them.
**EDIT**

OMG! When did I said that?!! I repeated so many times that I love that character - how on earth did you come to conclusion I do not care for him anymore?!


And Coldy, I kind of hoped you can be one of those "old files keeper" and can share missing mod 

Modifié par Amirit, 09 septembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[coldwetn0se]

@amirit - I am so sorry for the miss understanding. :'(
By the way, I am typing this on my phone, so I can't quote properly. I misread your response to Ren regarding the "Fenris membership". I read it as though you had decided "not to renew your membership". A funny way of saying Fenris was no longer your cup of tea...so to speak. Apparently I read volumes in to a funny little quip of yours; I truly do apologize.

And of course, feel free to ask any mod questions you want. I know there are enough of us here that work with mods; somebody should have an answer for you.

Ok, finger cramping from phone typing. Sleep well Fenris thread! Will look at mod question tomorrow morning when Im at my computer.

[Amirit]

Ninja edit that post to clear possible misreadings Can't wait for you to get to computer!

[aldien]

I find Hawke, any Hawke to be Mary Sue-ish/ Mary Stu-ish not accounting for what people have going on in their heads. But it doesn't really bother me because my internal story is set to go.

The only reason I can roleplay around a mage Hawke is because Hawke becomes Champion, even then it is difficult. But... I kind of think of it how Wynne had permission by the First Enchanter to leave the Circle without needing the Knight Commander's permission. It could be it was at the discretion of Orsino and that conversation was left out after Hawke meets Cullen. That's how I deal with it,

I wish there were 3 love interests. You have tragic, broody and someone who is boring!

Modifié par aldien, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:10 .

[aldien]

Ren, Coldie I have a question. Do you have Dracomie's True Textures? If you do, is it worth downloaing the DAO redesigned to get those files? Or do those files exist seperately fromt hat huge mod? I'd appreciate your input

Modifié par aldien, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Amirit wrote.....

Speaking of morfing. Need help of those of you who do it for years. There are several files from that huge project that you can not dounload anymore. And one of the most important - LSs Eyes Pack by Juliana Giraud can not be found anywhere. Can it be that some of you got it a year back and can share?

I do know the project you speak of, but I never downloaded anything from it (though by chance, I believe I have a few of the mods).  Unfortunately I do NOT have the LSs Eyes Pack.  Do you know if it is just a tint pack or not?  I might suggest that you try a couple of the DAO forums (believe it or not, I have gotten a lot of good help and hints from the Alistair Thread), and both the DAO Character Creation Forum and the DA2 Post your Hawkes Threads, often have a wealth of knowledge.  The posters on the DA2 thread are very friendly and have helped me tremendously. 

@aldien wrote.....

Ren, Coldie I have a question. Do you have Dracomie's True Textures? If you do, is it worth downloaing the DAO redesigned to get those files? Or do those files exist seperately fromt hat huge mod? I'd appreciate your input

I think I might be going for strike number two here...ha!  I actually chose NOT to use the Dracomie's TT or the DAO redesign, because of a conversation I read in the (I think; memory is fuzzy) Alistair Gush Thread.  Apparently there can be issues with the mod....bah!  Let me see if I can find the link.  It might be easier than trying to remember what they said..........

[aldien]

Oh hey Coldie since I caught you around, do you know anything about the Ser Gilmore mod? Is it worth downloading? I have satellite and only so much allowance a day. That's why i keep asking and bugging you

Thank you!

Btw I was just curious about the texture file part of the Dracomie mod. I read one person say that is the only part they use. But if it causes problems...eeek.

Sorry for pestering so much.

[Amirit]

Thanks coldwetn0se, I'll check it there.

As for the project - no, it did not ruin anything in the game for me (that Morrigan-Leliana morf was easy to fix and was my fault to begin with, did not follow the instructions).

I use Dracomie's True Textures but as a part of that project. At least half of presets there is using that textures. Have not have any problems with it. Btw, that project (I LOVE it and can talk about it endlessly) has a list with pictures for all presets and description what mods do you need for every particular preset.

[coldwetn0se]

Aaaaaaaand....Three Strikes Your OUT!!!  Tried to find the damn thread, and it was a no go.  Since my lame arse is of no help, I stole a funny panel by Aimo.  (appropriate to the current topic, but not very Fenrisy....boo me.)





A flying Fenris for your troubles (and to try and stay relevant)

[coldwetn0se]

@aldien - It sounds like Amirit has used the textures mod, and hasn't had problems, so maybe it would be worth it. Especially since I can't find the source that I read....don't want to give you unsupported advice. As for Gilmore; I say add him! I literally am going to add him this week (or upcoming weekend) because of the positive responses I have gotten about him. I was just waiting to finish out my last play through before adding him. (He shows up right after Lothering.....hmmmm. Hope that doesn't interfere with my ZevASAP mod. I should read up again.....)

[Enkidu]

*crawling out from the lurker swamp*
In regards to the mods subject, I'd just like to weigh in, since I have ~180 of the little buggers.
1. Dragon Age Redesigned would only conflict with other mods that change NPC .mor files (the face ones). As long as you don't have two for the same character from some other mod, there will be no problems.
2. DD also does not interfere with anything as far as I'm aware. You can install it separately from DAR, but you can't download it by itself. At least, I don't know of that. The textures are just an .erf file by themselves.
3. The Ser Gilmore mod does not conflict with ZevASAP. It would only conflict with mods that change the party selection screen, I think.

*crawls back, to keep watching from the shadows. always watching. ALWAYS*

[aldien]

coldwetn0se wrote...

@aldien - It sounds like Amirit has used the textures mod, and hasn't had problems, so maybe it would be worth it. Especially since I can't find the source that I read....don't want to give you unsupported advice. As for Gilmore; I say add him! I literally am going to add him this week (or upcoming weekend) because of the positive responses I have gotten about him. I was just waiting to finish out my last play through before adding him. (He shows up right after Lothering.....hmmmm. Hope that doesn't interfere with my ZevASAP mod. I should read up again.....)

ROFL @ Alistair. You so naughty. But it's true. Anyone says they haven't tried that particular mod I don't believe you!

I read some reviews of Ser Gilmore mod. You know used my two braincells and got off my ass to find something out for a change It has received positive reviews so it looks like it is worth downloading.

Thank you Mr. FlipFlops. Btw, you have the most awesome nickname ever besides IPoopRainbows, though I can't decide between the two of you....

[coldwetn0se]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

*crawling out from the lurker swamp*
In regards to the mods subject, I'd just like to weigh in, since I have ~180 of the little buggers.
1. Dragon Age Redesigned would only conflict with other mods that change NPC .mor files (the face ones). As long as you don't have two for the same character from some other mod, there will be no problems.
2. DD also does not interfere with anything as far as I'm aware. You can install it separately from DAR, but you can't download it by itself. At least, I don't know of that. The textures are just an .erf file by themselves.
3. The Ser Gilmore mod does not conflict with ZevASAP. It would only conflict with mods that change the party selection screen, I think.

*crawls back, to keep watching from the shadows. always watching. ALWAYS*

A great lurker d-lurks and we are the richer for it!  YAY!  Thank you so much for the information.  Now I am thinking of the Redesigned (since I don't alter NPC's....I like the way they look.  Only thing ever altered is some of the eye tints that alter everyones eyes.....no new .mors and such.)

@aldien - hehe...closeted dirty birdies.  Bet there are a few floating around.