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[Amirit]

OMG, AbsoluteApril! Only now I checked the link. Singing Fenris - this is amazing!

Actuall you - out of all of us - can really make a singing Fenris. That song fits well enough, and you can draw/create/combine an appropriate video-clip

Please, oh, please do it!

[aldien]

Playing catch up.... Sorry for the very long rambling post! Maker, I just posted this and then looked at it. Really, I am sorry for the novel length writing.

Coldy I was laughing my head off at Falon Hawke. I wonder what the equivalent of Las Vegas is in Thedas? (Antiva?) I could see your Falon going there and becoming a sort of B celebrity mercenary Awwwwww to Fenris naming his baby Aveline. That's so sweet! Well.. he did like the name didn't he?

How is my lurvely Castor doing? Smexy as always?


You know, I have never rivaled Anders with a snarky Hawke. Is it really fun? I rivaled him once in a romance but didn't finish. It was... disturbing o_O

Coldy said: he was known to spend quite a bit of time at the Blooming Rose (often
with Issy in tow). He was a bit of a man sl*t for a bit; I really did
have him sleep with all of the professionals at the BR (yes, including
Serendipity...love that girl!).

LOL! I've always loved the term man ****. Oh! I had a Hawke who went to Jethan for love because of Fenris. She liked to imagine it was him. I did have a Hawke who slept with them all and I believe all of the LI's as well. She was well known even before she became champion But, yeah Serendipity is a very interesting character. The thing with Senechal Bran and Serendipity in MoTA... I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that one.

Coldy said: This was the first time I had rivalled Anders, and I really wanted to
see if there was different dialogue options both on the Low Town steps,
and in the Gallows Courtyard, if you had a fully rivalled Anders and
chose to help the mages. I really wanted to tell him he need to clean
his s**t up! But alas....nup. It basically plays out as though you
friended him....meh.) End result is as followed.

That should have been a Bhelen/Harrowmont moment. You know when you can side with one, yet give the other the crown. Actually, it would have been interesting if a fight had broken out within Hawke's group after his/her decision. Out of curiosity, did you ever notice that Donnic shows up in the Gallows at the end to help fight Meredith? I thought that was a nice touch.

I quite like Carver as a Grey Warden. He was smexy in that role. Warden in general are smexy more so than templars A bunch of men locked in a Chantry or tower together not having sex is unhealthy. No wonder they are so angry all of the time. They are all suffering from toxic sperm overload. It's just not healthy! And... one fo the characters last night in DAO asked Alistair about polishing his armor and he said something about the Chantry saying that was not okay o_O So uhhhhhh whaaaaaaa? Not even that???

Coldy said: -Anders also left Hawkes side directly following the Kirkwall fall,
knowing that his life was as much in danger with Hawke and Co. as it was
out on his own (probably more so.) He ends up at Warden's Keep working
with Avernus to free him of Justice. -As for Zander and Fenris? They too eventually ended up in Ferelden,
moving to Denerim where King Alistair allowed mages to roam free in the
city and outlining farmland. They moved into an apartment near the old
alienage (now mixed with both elves AND humans) for a while, spending
time when they could with Aveline and Donnic. Finally deciding to take
up a small farm with guess what...an apple orchard.

Oh I like that idea! Although... those two together o_O They might end up making the Chantry incident look like child's play.

Free range mages?

Awwwwwwww I love the apple orchard angle! Fenris would be bad for profits though :/ No king Alistair! Sexy GW Alistair I'm just teasing.

I did a PT quite recently where I downloaded that mod so anyone could marry Alistair and had my Dalish elf marry him so I could at least stand the idea. The whole romance had been slow to build up. He was made king unhardened and I realized he really makes one hell of a sexy king, which is so untrue to history. His speech before the fight is quite well delivered for someone who doesn't have a lot of confidence. What I was going to say before I got sidetracked by eyelid movies was that you know that line: Where do you see this going between us? My different wardens had asked that question before Landsmeet at random times. I got to the point where I stopped asking it because his answer was always the same, and then I asked it after he was made king and awwwww the bastard said something different. I wish there had been more of those little surprises in DA2. They catch you off guard but they are so wonderful when you find them. I think that would have helped with Fenris's romance, at least making people who really enjoy purely fluffy romance warm up to him more. He is a very hardcore (ha!) character and negative but not any more so than Cullen. Actually, they are both kind of similar in many regards now that I think about it. Where did that come from? I'm rambling. Sorry!

Coldy, I adore your Hawkes and their quirkiness and their realism. They aren't predictable and vary greatly between each other. I admire that because I tend to end up with variations on the same type of character.

Ren said many pages back:  Maker's Breath, woman! Even when I post a completely innocent screenshot you manage to turn it into something perverted! Now I can't unsee that... oh, how I wish THAT would actually be a scene
in the game, LOL. I can picture Hawke actually making that face in such
a.... situation way too well. xD

You... no I've seen your collection of artwork for almost a year now, actually I think it is over a year now, and I can confidently say you are just as perverted if not more so It would have been great if Isabela walked in on them doing that in Fenris's mansion Oh the gossip! Varric's teasing would be insufferable.

My sim Fen turned into a drunk fireman after his woman had her seventh child, and then he wet himself, passed out and missed the fire emergency. Because of him five sims died and one old lady firewoman. Awful!

Don't ask me about the sheep in the talent tree. It will lead to bad places mostly involving lonely shepards and a three years without sex I'm considering making the smexy talent tree for him next. That could be interestingly strange.

Flippyflops said:
Edit: Hi, Aldy! Bah, everyone seems suddenly very busy. What's so great about real life?!
Anyway, I'm actually kinda surprised at all the vitriol going on. I mean, I did notice the "Fenris is a whining emo"
comments
about, but I just attributed them to a hate group that every
character has like "Anders is the worst human being to appear in a video
game", "Zevran is an STD ridden ****", "Merrill is a dumb adult child"
and "Morrigan is an irredeemable ****". I had no idea that with Fenris
it's actually more of a population wide consensus. That's very sad. But,
hey, at least it lessens the chances of him being ****ed up in
the sequel! *fake smile straining even more*
Argh, why does the site censor my every swear word?! You'd almost think that cursing is inappropriate or something!


I do take a sick comfort in knowing Cullen will be remade for the new engine... *ahem* think of the reception Alistair received in DA2.

Nothing! Prefer unreal life thank you very much There seems to be equal amounts for other characters as well. I think many of us on here have sensitive eyesight when it comes to the name Fenris. I don't have a problem with people rationally explaining why they disliked his romance. There are many things I would change and add to it, but comparing him to a pet, calling him emo and the many other comments I'm not going to bother addressing is not helpful. I try not to find it personally insulting but I love the character and it pains me to see what is written. So I stopped reading. I just can't handle that amount of negativity and have the willpower to stop myself from saying something back. What is being said serves no purpose. I think, some people believe complaining is going to drive home their point and sway the devs to make certain Cullen is an LI in DA3. Honestly, I'm about 95% sure that he is an LI. So why not just concentrate on what they want for Cullen? It is painful but the forum is not known for its kindness, hence why I stay here. I say for every negative comment we just love on him more.

*hides* Ren, my romance with Zev is going... slowly. *Beats elf* I am actually looking for a new head morph for Alistair, a very unattractive one so I avoid the temptaion that I have yet been able to avoid. Ahhhhhh! make the bad human ugly so I don't want to smex him up.


Okay tell me there is something more to Zev other than the Crows, the murder of his girlfriend and his constant mention of sex? I need to know there is more depth than that. I am trying but I feel like I am missing something here. You and Coldy aren't ones to rave about a bad romance. So... something must happen for the awwwww factor. I really adore his friendship. The relationship is better?

Modifié par aldien, 19 septembre 2012 - 03:49 .

[Amirit]

 Aldien, in addition to "ugly Alistair" I highly recommen a morf for "pretty Zevran" Like the one from Dragon Age Redesigner 7.3a (Origin/Companion NPCs for Origin)  Though, if you truly want to avoid temptation you have to somehow change VA as well. And never take Alistair anywhere Yea, I know the pain
Good point about Cullen. Why don't you start such topic? They might even forget about arguing in that fighting pit they call "F/M LIs

[aldien]

Amirit wrote...

 Aldien, in addition to "ugly Alistair" I highly recommen a morf for "pretty Zevran" Like the one from Dragon Age Redesigner 7.3a (Origin/Companion NPCs for Origin)  Though, if you truly want to avoid temptation you have to somehow change VA as well. And never take Alistair anywhere Yea, I know the pain
Good point about Cullen. Why don't you start such topic? They might even forget about arguing in that fighting pit they call "F/M LIs

So are you telling me there are other people out there who deliberately make Alistair ugly so they avoid temptation? I'm laughing my ****** off right now. LOL! He is hard to resist!

You just read my mind. I was looking for a new head morph for Zev just now and downloading all of the files you need to apparantly fix his romance. o_O Why is he so buggy?

No offense to anyone who loves vanilla Zevran.

Because those people are out for blood atm. The hype will die down in a couple of weeks. People are scrambling to be heard and generally being obnoxious. I would just get flamed and it may actually fuel more hatred for Fenris.  Your linky didn't work I'll see if I can search it out.

Modifié par aldien, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Amirit]

This is strange - it does work for me. Let's try it again:
http://social.biowar...m/project/1205/

It's a big archive, you will need files found in directory "Dragon Age Origins/Companion NPCs for Origin". Individual morf for each of them with pictures.

Well, there are tonns of morfs for Zevran or any other companion, but that was the only one I found fitting (Lore or Lore Aestetic variation)

Modifié par Amirit, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:14 .

[coldwetn0se]

@aldien
Bwahahahaha!! I wub you Aldy! *DING* You got it; the "free range mage"!!

LOL on your Fen Sim. hahahaha!!! He should have got together with Sad-Sack Hawke! XD

Seriously, you should try a Rivalry (not a rivalmance, just the rivalry) with Anders, using a Snarky Hawke....the lulz! Especially good if you use a Mage Hawke.

As for your Zev romance, I get how hard it is to switch to another romance that is not your first choice, and you COULD do all the tricks that have been suggested (including your own suggestion): put an ugly morph on Ali, stop taking him on all the quests, change his voice (if that is even possible), make Zev "prettier" (that is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer vanilla Zev. *wink*). But I think you will lose out on the role playing part, if you hamper yourself to much. So I am going to offer advice that you are more than welcome to ignore:

1) Continue to romance slowly. Enjoy the "friend" aspect of his character as much as the lover. That is actually WHY I adore Zev so much. He makes such a fun friend! I actually find, THAT is what makes him such a rich LI, because his friendship is fun and sweet. (besides, I like raunchy..heh!) When he starts to open up to you, AND you are now lovers, it makes it that much more endearing. And the wrap of the romance arc is......to me.....VERY satisfying.

2) If you haven't downloaded the ZDF mod (Zev dialogue fixes), please do consider it. Instructions are included to make it work with the IRS mod, if you have already installed that. ZevRing is also a good mod to consider. And lastly ZRS mod. Adds more smexyness, but there are a few tricks to getting it to work with these other mods (it was worth it to me, and I was able to get everything working), so you need to read the instructions. The ZDF mod though, I personally think is a must. It even corrects dialogue for other characters unrelated to Zev. It's a great mod.

3) And the last piece of advice is don't worry if it doesn't turn out as you expected. K, that sounds like silly advice, but I too have had the occasional issue with romancing a different character who isn't my usual go-to LI. Part of my problem has been the comparing I end up doing, while the other is me "pining" over the one I normally romance. However, once I wrap my head around the idea that NEXT time I can go with my normal choice again, this helps me relax in to the current play through. (And who knows, sometimes playing with another perspective makes you see things you didn't before....potentially making the old standby sort of new again.)

Anyway, take it or leave it....it's your game. Do as you please, pet. Happy gaming!!

[AbsoluteApril]

Amirit wrote...

OMG, AbsoluteApril! Only now I checked the link. Singing Fenris - this is amazing!

Actuall you - out of all of us - can really make a singing Fenris. That song fits well enough, and you can draw/create/combine an appropriate video-clip

Please, oh, please do it!

hmm something like an animated gif of a crooning Fenris? I wonder if I could make that happen.. I bet I could. You do realize you just put all my other projects on hold right? beacuase now I want to do this...
 

Aldien, I always enjoy your 'novel' posts.
Personally, Alistair is it for me. Same with Fenris. I can apprecaite and somewhat enjoy the others, but they don't hold a candle to those IMO. Those boys just... got to me. As much as I enjoy the Kaidan and Liara romances in MEseries, I don't feel like they even come close to measure up to Ali and Fen either.

I'm not seeing a ton of vitrole in the F/M thread? Only noticed a couple snarky remarks. Is it worse in the M/M one? I haven't looked at that thread yet.

oldie but goodie by CherrySplice

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:51 .

[Amirit]

Oh, I am ashamed and so sorry for those waiting your other projects. No, not really  I don not think anyone can object singing Fenris. It will beat up anything!

Romances are strange thing. Sometimes I just fill it is very wrong for that particular character to be with my preferred LI. They simply do not fit. That is how my FemDN (!) ended up with Leliana. And City Elf I can only picture with Zevran for some reason. Well, at least MY CE. Mb this is bloodlust, I don't know.

Modifié par Amirit, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:37 .

[Dutchess]

aldien wrote...

[/i]My sim Fen turned into a drunk fireman after his woman had her seventh child, and then he wet himself, passed out and missed the fire emergency. Because of him five sims died and one old lady firewoman. Awful!

LOL, I suspected your poor Fen sim would be plunged in disaster! Drunk? Is that even possible in the Sims? And seventh child. You certainly wanted a lot of Fen babies! Haha, those two lines to describe what happened make me laugh so hard. 

[/i]*hides* Ren, my romance with Zev is going... slowly. *Beats elf* I am actually looking for a new head morph for Alistair, a very unattractive one so I avoid the temptaion that I have yet been able to avoid. Ahhhhhh! make the bad human ugly so I don't want to smex him up.


Okay tell me there is something more to Zev other than the Crows, the murder of his girlfriend and his constant mention of sex? I need to know there is more depth than that. I am trying but I feel like I am missing something here. You and Coldy aren't ones to rave about a bad romance. So... something must happen for the awwwww factor. I really adore his friendship. The relationship is better?

Well, he hit the awww factor for me when he went to "love" status (post-Taliesen) and you ask him to join you in the tent. Other than that I can't really pinpoint a specific event that suddenly makes him loveable if you didn't like him before. On my first run when I romanced Alistair, I thought Zev was shallow. I found his banter incredibly funny (have you already had the bossom talks with Wynne? Best banter of the entire game!), but that was it. But when I romanced him with my second character I just felt like I saw the more vulnerable and insecure side of him. How much he hides behind that easy laugh and all those jokes. 

By the way, another thing I found interesting with him is that when you are rude to him, he laughs at you and seems to shrug it off. You get major disapproval afterwards, but he doesn't show it. All other companions become royally pissed when you are mean to them, except for Zev. I found that curious.

[coldwetn0se]

@Amirit - There is much truth in what you say. Some PC's just "fit" better with certain LI's. My first Zev/warden pairing was definately a good fit, while my second HN was by FAR the best fit I have ever made for Alistair (though I have multiple wardens with both Zev and Ali, there are some that just work better than others.....they just worked on how I RPed them...bah. Don't know if I'm making sense.).

Still, it is nice to try out the different romances at least once.....even if you don't finish out the play through. Gives the player a chance to see and experience different content.

[Amirit]

Agree with every word. Could not say better.

[CuriousArtemis]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

I'm not seeing a ton of vitrole in the F/M thread? Only noticed a couple snarky remarks. Is it worse in the M/M one? I haven't looked at that thread yet.

There are/were some Fen-haters in that M/M thread. I understand their frustration. A lot of men like masculine-appearing men and not slender, more "feminine"-looking men like Fenris or Zevran. There were a couple folks saying "no more elves" even. And that's fine if you have a preference, and gaymers have been marginalized for so long that it's hard to tell them their opinions don't matter.

But I still fought the good fight for Fenris and said I like a wide variety of M/M options, both manly and slender 

[Enkidu]

AAARGH. I really need to quit it with all that "sleeping" malarkey. You guys just spring to life every time I go for a snooze. Oh well, grab your hot dogs 'cause it's time for some catch-up *ba-dum tish*

Aldien, (that's the mother of all long posts right there)
I'd hold your horses on the whole "engine change Cullen". They seemed to go out of their way to make him better looking in the DAO-DA2 transition. They may spike up their efforts for the third!
And, eh, this wasn't addressed to me, but I'll weigh in anyway. On the subject of Zev... I can't really know what you consider attractive in a romance (aside from "no sugar overdoses"), so this may not be that a good recommendation, but what the hell. There is most certainly more to Zev than the sex and the murder, just as there is more Fen than the drinking and the mage-hatin'. I can't really point to one dialogue or banter and say "This right here", since character development isn't really that simple, but if you just pay attention he really is a full-rounded deep character. Maybe with him it relies too much on subtext, I don't really know what's holding you back (aside from Alistair *wink wink*), but just try to take it easy with him, don't think too much and go with the flow. As Coldy mentioned, he's not only an LI, he's also the Warden’s friend (or can be), so his romance is as much about just finding some fun and peace with a buddy in a tumultuous time as it is about the actual romance. Hope this unintelligible mess of non-arguments helps you at least a little.

Unfortunately, can't help you with the Alistair thing, since I never had that problem and neither do I change companion’s faces.
Am I the only one who just can't get over the feeling of wrongness when playing with a morph? I always just felt like it's some doppelganger, who stole a character’s voice and is mimicking their behaviour. But then, I also freak out mid-playthrough with "this PC is boring wallpaper paste without any depth! Abandon ship! Full rewrite!". That's why I [i]still[/] haven't romanced Isabela. I tried like three times, but that Hawke was just so much bland porridge. Hopefully, the latest rewrite will do the girl justice; I really pulled put all the stops on lady Maria. Eh, sometimes I wish I had problems with being able to romance different characters, instead of sitting on a game for two months, because the PC I wrote was "too cheery" or something. It's horribly counter-productive.

[AbsoluteApril]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Am I the only one who just can't get over the feeling of wrongness when playing with a morph?

nope, I don't like the NPC head morph changes either... it seems wrong. Changing their clothes, I can deal with, their faces.. meh, no way.
Haha there are some moments when Hawkes I've chosen don't flow so well but I just muster on through and as Tim Gunn would say 'Make it Work!'. Last PT was the Isabela romance, I heard all these great things about it, but wasn't impressed, heck I can't even remember what she did or said at the final battle.


Well come to think of it,  besides Fenris of course, the only romance I enjoyed was the rvialmance with Merrill.

Ok question for all - who was your 2nd favorite romance? (or if Fenris is your 2nd fav (the horror!) then who is your favorite?)

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:23 .

[AbsoluteApril]

oh and OMG!! Gideon - Survivor Type (Stephen King story, my fav author)
How in the heck did I not know about this?!?
squeeee

gawd i wish that man was single.. and waiting in my bed...

interview
http://survivortypem...eon-emery-as-he

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[Enkidu]

April, yeah, clothes I'm fine with, people can change their clothes, but not their faces. It's especially jarring when the morph looks, nothing like the original. And I've always been very perplexed by all the "white Isabela" mods... I mean... Why?
Oh, you lucky dog, I just can't do that. I get so bored with a badly developed PC, the immersion just disappears and I can't enjoy myself at all.
Well, I'm still optimistic about the Isa romance, since I'm a very chill person and there has not been one single romance in any recent Bioware game that I was bored with. Unless the PC I wrote displeased me, then all bets are off.

Ooh, mama, I feel like I should put on my +infinity armour for this, but y'all are nice and understanding people, so... My favourite romance is actually Anders with Fenris coming second. Actually, I rarely have "first, second, third, glorphus", it's usually more like "favourite and all the others that I like the same amount, but for different reasons". So, yeah... It’s Anders, then Fen *meekly stands at the door with hung head, drawing circles in the ground with left foot*

[CuriousArtemis]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

Ok question for all - who was your 2nd favorite romance? (or if Fenris is your 2nd fav (the horror!) then who is your favorite?)

Fenris friendmance is my first favorite followed by Anders friendmance  Third favorite would I guess be Zander romance, but I don't really find the DA:O romances as interesting as DA2 ones.

I'm currently playing a Fenris friendmance, Anders friendmance, and Isabela friendmance. Plan to start a Merrill friendmance soon. And by "soon" I mean once the semester ends, of course =\\

[Amirit]

 

MrFlipFlops wrote...
 I can't really point to one dialogue or banter and say "This right here", since character development isn't really that simple, but if you just pay attention he really is a full-rounded deep character. 

 

I know. It's not a particular dialog, but his participation in many quests. Like with Isabela in Perl, when he helps you to catch her cheating. The way he talks, moves, look at you - it can be very attractive (provided you are looking at him, not at that sweet puppy in a shiny armor at another corner of the screen )

As for morf - I am with you all about "never morfing". Or I was. Until I come across Redesign Project. This version of Zevran looks more attractive and in style to me. It is not ideal but this (and only this - even DA2 Sten is still questionable to me) somehow clicked with my hadcanon.

Here: not the best screenshot but still.

Modifié par Amirit, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:24 .

[coldwetn0se]

@April - first, favorite romance is Friendmance Fenris, next is Isabella, then Rivalmance Fenris, finally Friendmance Anders. I haven't done the Merrill romance yet (though I abused a save with Ezriel to see the Act 2 romance scene). I really do like Merrill, but I keep getting the damn "sister" vibe from her. But, I think I have finally found a way I can do a Merrillmance. I will take a cue from little brother, and go with the cute squishy type of Hawke (most likely Rogue). If I play him kind of Derpy, I think I could get past the sibling feeling.

Oh, and it should be noted. I don't dislike the Anders romance. The problem is, is that I get a more "set" path feeling from him (just from an epilogue standpoint) than I do the others. Simply put, he's either waging war (and Hawke is by his side), on his way to suicide/self destruction, or he's...well...dead. With the others I can use my imagination for so many different paths; some great, some normal, some adventurous, some tragic, ect... Now that is admittedly probably my failing, but there it is.

@Amirit - I have seen this Zev (been thinking about getting the DA redesigned), but nup. Still prefer the vanilla Zev. This one, just for me, looks to young and pretty. I see Zev's life across his face. His experiences. This one, I don't. But that is just my taste and preference.

[Enkidu]

Amirit, you know, one thing that always bothered me about vanilla Zev, that's even more apparent in that morph, is his dark eyebrows. It always irked me, but in general I'll agree with Coldy on this one, his face, in my opinion, fits his life and character perfectly.

[coldwetn0se]

Faerunner wrote...

coldwetn0se wrote...

Faerunner wrote...


Technically speaking, Fenris had multiple paths too... in every single one of his companion quests, you could decide to help him or tell him to bugger off! Oh, and let's not forget the incredibly diverse decision to either help him defeat or return him to Danarius, or to let him kill his sister or talk him into sparing her! Oh, and you can decide whether to romance him or not. Such divergent paths!

I was being lackadaisical with my comments about Fenris.  But I was focusing primarily on the end of the game, and how the character arc and romance arc complete.  Fenris not being tied directly to the main storyline (just as some of the other characters), seems to limit how much involvement and resolution he has in his character arc. 

Yes, you can tell him you don't need his help (hell, you don't even have to pick him up as a companion), you can choose to romance him, you can dump him (or let his dumping "stick"...however you wish to view it), you can friend or rival him, sell back to Danarius, have a say in his sisters life/death.   That wasn't exactly my point to my post.  It was more regarding what I hope doesn't happen with the characters in DA3.  Especially ones that can be romanced.  My thoughts, my opinions, my wishes and nothing more.

Sorry if it seemed like I was disagreeing with you coldy, I was actually being hideously sarcastic. (Sorry, I should have specified. My tone was dripping with sarcasm and disgust as I was typing - think Loghain going "You don't say" when Zevran cheerfully informs him that he failed his mission to kill the Warden - but I guess it didn't carry through in black-and-white. I'm sorry.)

I agree that not only Fenris, but most DA2 companions in general didn't have many quest resolutions. You either build up their friendship/rivalry or not, and if you do, you have a pretty narrowly defined path that doesn't make that much of a difference in the long run. Isabela and Anders are the only exceptions, but that's because they're tied to the central plot. Aveline? Maybe... but the others? Especially Merrill and Fenris? No.

Fae, don't even worry about it.  I was being affected by another thread, and I admit, I didn't see your sarcasm.  (which is sad, since I am way to sarcastic for my own good.)  I think I have been a bit too sensitive for the threads lately.  You don't even need to agree with me.  That is the beauty of having choices, which in the end is what I really want.  Choices!  No railroading. Just my wish list.  Hope Christmas is good that year.

[aldien]

Okay....

First, I was not out trying to find a huge redo for Zev. No... I love being handed a character in DA and observing and psychoanalyzing them and putting it together with their appearance. The looks are always secondary. Honestly, at times I think Alistair looks much older than he is supposed to be, or rather, referred to in the game. It depends on how the light catches him. It is exactly the same with Fenris. Sometimes he looks so young and unflawed and other times he looks very old and tired. The problems I have with Zev has nothing to do with skin tone being too dark, (I'm not exactly white myself). What bugged me is that Zev has that Fenris thing going on. In certain light his skin looks rumpled? It's imperfection in the rendering I belive. almost like he is mucky? I don't know how else to explain it.  One thing I have noticed about BW models is that their skin tone sometimes looks like a fake tan. It is uneven and blotchy. I went after something that smoothed out the tone, nothing that made Zev look like a 'pretty' (I hate that in relation to elves btw) elf. I found something that somewhat works. At least I can look past the skintone issue I had.

Thank you very much for the advice Coldy. Seriously, I am taking it to heart. When I first fell for Alistair I had two PT's where I quickly had my warden friend him But the hormone level has died down so now I am able to take things slower. The most rewarding PT I have had with Alistair was recently. It was slow and progressed more guarded. It felt natural and in that PT, the friendship with Zev happened for the first time. I really loved it especially right before the end. He was the guy I chose to be by my warden's side when she committed the ultimate sacrifice for the first time   It was.... emotional to say the least. Anyone else cry when their warden died?  Because of that, I am taking your advice and slowing things down and rping a character in mind from the start. And no... in the end I did not change Ali's face. It felt wrong, like it has been said. It's a crime against the character and it's just not him. I could make him flawless but I don't believe in flawless characters nor do I believe that an ugly character negates a beautiful personality. Of all the character in DA, the one I think I would love the most is Varric. He isn't exactly beautiful. But Maker that dwarf does things to me because of his personality and.... LOL! chest hair

April said: Personally, Alistair is it for me. Same with Fenris. I can apprecaite
and somewhat enjoy the others, but they don't hold a candle to those
IMO. Those boys just... got to me. As much as I enjoy the Kaidan and
Liara romances in MEseries, I don't feel like they even come close to
measure up to Ali and Fen either.

Agreed so far. Ali and Fenris really command deep feelings. However, Zev's friendship is gnawing at me and I have to go see how deep that leads. I don't know about you, but Fenris grew on me slowly. It wasn't immediate love. But, Maker when it hit... well...nothing compares really. He is a genius character, but one that demands time to understand. There isn't instant gratification when it comes to Fenris. I would also argue that there isn't instant gratification with Alistair either. If you rush it there is that feeling of cheapness :/ But if you take it slowly, though you have the ability for instant sex, it's really rewarding. That's just my opinion.

Ren, as I recall my Fen sim drank the "juice" and eventually passed out. But... for the sake of creativy I probably embellished   Either way, he really did let 5 sims burn and wet himself o_O Isnt that enough punishment??? Must you make him suffer more???

Flippyflop said: Aldien, (that's the mother of all long posts right there)

You are going to make me paranoid! Besides, I have seen worse on here. But... yes it's bad This one isn't much better. I should shush but alcohol tends to make a person talk

I'd hold your horses on the whole "engine change Cullen". They seemed to go out of their way to make him better looking in the DAO-DA2 transition. They may spike up their efforts for the third!

Ummm if I inferred Gaider's comments correctly, Cullen was a bit of an accident. The art department wasn't highly praised for their rendition of Fenris and Anders, but Cullen ended up being a happy accident. These sorts of comments were made ages ago but I'd be happy to go find them if you are interested.

The remodelling process never ports well. It... *sighs* I guess the devs don't read this thread so I speak in hushed tones, but the DICE engine.... not what I expected to be used for DA3. But... if the focus is on multiplayer well that's a different story. Console limitations, no mod tools because of proprietary limitaions and a host of other problems. But hey... we play this series for the story right? Let's see what the dialogue produces and ignore FPS focus. Seriously, after that announcement, Gaider carries it through or nothing at all. I... have never been a raving fan of Gaider but... I'm very interested to see what he writes for DA3. I think the next game is more of a mark for the writers than the look. I should shush now lest I am hunted and burned like the witch I am

Modifié par aldien, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[AbsoluteApril]

aldien wrote...
If you rush it there is that feeling of cheapness :/ But if you take it slowly, though you have the ability for instant sex, it's really rewarding. That's just my opinion.

I agree with that completely. I like the slow buildup (whoa TMI lol I realized that could be read wrong). ANYWAYS One of my favorite moments was Ali kissing the warden, I accidently clicked on him right after a battle (I do that on both the xbox and pc.. urgh), so right after a battle, splattered with blood and he leans in and kissed her. She had flirted with him rather shamelessly and he was still being coy. Then at that moment, it was like, they were both so close to being killed, he was so happy to be alive and see her, he didn't want to waste another moment. am I reading too much into it? 

MrFlipFlops wrote...
Ooh, mama, I feel like I should put on my +infinity armour for this, but y'all are nice and understanding people, so... My favourite romance is actually Anders with Fenris coming second.

hee, hey, there's nothing wrong with that! Although you may dissapoint a certain elf




edit - holy heck that image came out huge! 

coldwetn0se wrote...
I haven't done the Merrill romance yet (though I abused a save with Ezriel to see the Act 2 romance scene). I really do like Merrill, but I keep getting the damn "sister" vibe from her. But, I think I have finally found a way I can do a Merrillmance. I will take a cue from little brother, and go with the cute squishy type of Hawke (most likely Rogue). If I play him kind of Derpy, I think I could get past the sibling feeling.

hah! yes, exactly! That's what I did! I made a derpy rogue for her. Can't you see his derpy-ness? he was fun

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[Enkidu]

April and Coldy, funny thing, I did the the exact opposite thing with my Merril romance XDD I wrote a very cynical rogue Hawke and used the default appearance for him, because I liked the idea of The Beard. Merrill kinda evened him out and he became less disillusioned with life around her. But maybe that's 'cause I never got a little sister wibe from her. What inspired the dymanic is that my actual litlle-sister-friend once drew a picture of defaultHawke looking slightly irked, carrying Merril on his back through some rain, while she was trying to hold a cloak over their heads. Aw, it was so cute, wish I had it now...

April, a little aside... To follow the aside that wrote above XDD I do the accidental clicking on characters all the ****ing time. It was hilarious when I clicked on Zev like that in the Orzammar Proving and he started reciting dirty poetry. Glorious.