MissRedZelda, I think that's the beauty of it for some people. The same sex relationship issue is one I deal with in real life everyday and I don't much care for it. Don't get me wrong, I think it's an issue worth exploring and I greatly enjoy games that do so in an interesting and respectful way, but sometimes Ii just want to get away from it all. The DA world is fleshed out enough and different from our own that I find it a perfect place to explore other themes while not being bogged down with the sexuality issue. But, that's just my view on the thing, not saying you're wrong or anything.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 02:13
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Now, as for Fenris and the attracted to human women thing . . . I'm so sorry if this has been addressed and put to rest already, but I want to add in my own two cents. I personally have never seen Fenris judge someone based on their race (I mean, whether they are human, elf or dwarf). So, by that logic, I don't think it matter to him whether a person is one of those races.
And yet every single person he has ever been shown to be attracted to was human. It's like the Chantry preaching "all are equal in the Maker's eyes," and yet only humans (and the occasional dwarf) are priests and templars even though most city elves are just as faithful. I find it suspect. (Add this to the fact that Fenris is shown to have little to no respect for most free elves, and I wonder...)
When you get right down to it, he is a guy. And guys (straight or bi) are attracted to things that they find attractive. In this case, it's breasts. And last time I checked, all women in the game (including elf and dwarf) have breasts. So in my personal opinion, Fenris' attraction is race-blind. He sees them as women (or men) and not humans, elves, or dwarves.
As much as I want to believe it, every single woman Fenris has ever shown interest in has had these common features: they're human, and they have large breasts. I'm starting to think it's not just breasts in general that he finds attractive but large, cushiony ones. Elven women do not have these. (In the words of Oghren to Velanna: "Look at that rump. You call that a rump? A man needs more cushion." Oghren is attracted to butts, but he likes big butts specifically. I wonder if it might not be so different for Fenris. )=
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 02:34
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I don't care that DG said the dialogue is comparable... so? Are we counting words now? Does that make a game epic and memorable? I'm in no hurry when it comes to dialogue. If I were, there is always reloading the game before a sex scene. Failing that, there are porn sites for instant gratification.
I like the build up in the romances and getting to know both LI's and companions. Waffling, rambling, feeling around is fine by me because it is true to human nature. When we interact with each other in real life (and I wish some of us didn't) there is no perfect answer. DA:O encompasses that human element for me. I have to guess, even now, my response depending on circumstance. You didn't have that in DA2.
The DA:O companions bring a history with them and we live part of their lives as we play the warden.
In DA2 there are major shortcuts. Anders, we know his history because it has been established in DA:A. So no work needed there. Same with Merrill. It's shortcuts due to development limitations. Being in camp together with all of the companions there is intimate, and when my warden flirts with one companion while another is in earshot it feels naughty. That closeness did not exist in DA2. I had to imagine they were all meeting at the Hanged Man and the companions were occasionally catching Hawke and Fenris sharing glances, and later, stealing kisses. That was fun, but it would have been better if it had been seen. The ability to kiss whenever and flirt in front of other companions made DA:O fun and more realistic. When I play DA2 now, sometimes it feels sterile and the Fenris romance is always behind closed doors. The dialogue triggers at weird times and I find my Hawke somewhere between Isabela flirtation and the acknowledgement of a relationship with Fenris. It's... disappointing on that front. Gaider already said he wished they could do away with the sexual LI element. The only reason I like DA is the romance element and the LI's ability to make parts of my anatomy stand upright.
It's definitely not for the Tolkienesque Orcs.
I like the build up in the romances and getting to know both LI's and companions. Waffling, rambling, feeling around is fine by me because it is true to human nature. When we interact with each other in real life (and I wish some of us didn't) there is no perfect answer. DA:O encompasses that human element for me. I have to guess, even now, my response depending on circumstance. You didn't have that in DA2.
The DA:O companions bring a history with them and we live part of their lives as we play the warden.
In DA2 there are major shortcuts. Anders, we know his history because it has been established in DA:A. So no work needed there. Same with Merrill. It's shortcuts due to development limitations. Being in camp together with all of the companions there is intimate, and when my warden flirts with one companion while another is in earshot it feels naughty. That closeness did not exist in DA2. I had to imagine they were all meeting at the Hanged Man and the companions were occasionally catching Hawke and Fenris sharing glances, and later, stealing kisses. That was fun, but it would have been better if it had been seen. The ability to kiss whenever and flirt in front of other companions made DA:O fun and more realistic. When I play DA2 now, sometimes it feels sterile and the Fenris romance is always behind closed doors. The dialogue triggers at weird times and I find my Hawke somewhere between Isabela flirtation and the acknowledgement of a relationship with Fenris. It's... disappointing on that front. Gaider already said he wished they could do away with the sexual LI element. The only reason I like DA is the romance element and the LI's ability to make parts of my anatomy stand upright.
It's definitely not for the Tolkienesque Orcs.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 04:30
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How did this thread turn into DAO vs DA2. Bah....not my cupa. Have fun, and try to throw a Fenris pic up on the thread, now and again.
Toodles!
Toodles!
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 04:56
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*reads aldien's post* we so need a toolkit...can you image the Zevran mods with Fenris...
*thud*
*thud*
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:09
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Perhaps we need to start a petition in the DA3 forums? to get Gideon!
his recent twitter post: in response to another user asking if he'll be a VA
Gideon Emery@gideonemery
know absolutely nothing about DA3, I'm afraid. Can only hope.
also, by fendersFAN
his recent twitter post: in response to another user asking if he'll be a VA
Gideon Emery@gideonemery
know absolutely nothing about DA3, I'm afraid. Can only hope.
also, by fendersFAN
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:12
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Coldy, baw, I think it's my fault ;__; I brought up the accursed wheel and it all escalated from there. Didn't help that I kept adding kindling later on. Please don't leave! I'll post Fneris pics when I get home! Maybe even Kas if I have enough time to boot a game up!
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:31
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I agree with MrFlipFlops, though I blame myself because I made the argument escalate instead of letting it die like MrFlipFlops repeatedly wanted to do! Mea Culpa! I'm sorry Coldy! I promise I'll stop talking about it, I swear!
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:42
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Oh lordy! Like Fenris here, I bow my head in shame.....I really was just trying to say, the debate isn't my cup of tea; not that I planned to leave for good.
Feel free to discuss what you wish. I'm just going to wait for some Fenris pics and post some myself. *see the above photo for reference.*
Didn't mean to come across as so melodramatic...it wasn't my intention.
Love ya, ya crazy elf fanatics!
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:52
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here ya go
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:53
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Trying to decide who to choose
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 05:55
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You know you would tap dat
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 06:03
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Holy Animal Crackers! HA! Mine eyes!!
hehehe.....love da piccies.
(BTW, that first one....Seb/Fen??)
hehehe.....love da piccies.
(BTW, that first one....Seb/Fen??)
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 06:21
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Yep, apparently lol I do like that pairing.
I found an Aveline x Fenris pic, too, but no artist listed...
I found an Aveline x Fenris pic, too, but no artist listed...
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 09:09
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Coldy, yeah, I got that you were just informing us that you simply won't be participating in that particular discussion, but I just wanted an excuse to post that apology card XDD Don't worry, you didn't seem melodramatic.
And, Fae, I don't think we need to place blame on anyone. After all, it's a relevant topic and everybody was very respectful of other's opinions when discussing it, so nothing bad happened
But it is a bit controversial and not that pleasant sometimes, which is why I kept encouraging people to drop it, since we can't change what has been done and reopening old wounds ain't fun.
Moto, those pics... Oh man, especially the Desire Demon... No words XDD
And, Fae, I don't think we need to place blame on anyone. After all, it's a relevant topic and everybody was very respectful of other's opinions when discussing it, so nothing bad happened
But it is a bit controversial and not that pleasant sometimes, which is why I kept encouraging people to drop it, since we can't change what has been done and reopening old wounds ain't fun. Moto, those pics... Oh man, especially the Desire Demon... No words XDD
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 09:11
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Not a DAO/DA2 comparison again, just on the level of Fenris interaction: I really missed some conversation opportunities. Especially after he leaves when having spent the night with Hawke. It's just so sudden, and I found it a bit difficult to cope with the complete abscence of interaction after that. Even if it was just Hawke asking about it and Fenris snapping he didn't want to talk about it, it would have been better. Now it was almost like he nor Hawke cared anymore, until QB in act 3. I would have liked to play a Hawke that didn't give up, that showed he/she was still there for Fenris. You can write an entire fic (which I have done, haha) to fill up the gaps from the moment they have sex together until they re-unite.
A second thing is Danarius' ambiguous remark. Not everybody would aks about it, but certainly some persons would. You know very little about Fenris' past, and when something like that pops up... it seems relevant to a Hawke who is romancing Fenris. It is of course very painful and awkward to bring something like that up, but again, I don't expect Fenris then to give a dramatic description of how Danarius used him. He could just get mad and defensive and tell Hawke he/she doesn't have to know everything. Something like that. At least it would have been another opportunity to show that Hawke cares, and not just in the sheepish way that depends so much on when Fenris feels like talking.
Okay, end of rant.
Fenris' head on a desire demon... thanks for that nightmarish mental image! xD
A second thing is Danarius' ambiguous remark. Not everybody would aks about it, but certainly some persons would. You know very little about Fenris' past, and when something like that pops up... it seems relevant to a Hawke who is romancing Fenris. It is of course very painful and awkward to bring something like that up, but again, I don't expect Fenris then to give a dramatic description of how Danarius used him. He could just get mad and defensive and tell Hawke he/she doesn't have to know everything. Something like that. At least it would have been another opportunity to show that Hawke cares, and not just in the sheepish way that depends so much on when Fenris feels like talking.
Okay, end of rant.
Fenris' head on a desire demon... thanks for that nightmarish mental image! xD
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:19
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Huh . . .
Um, just a little question: does anyone here (besides me) actually like the pairing of Lady Hawke and Fenris? Because it seems everyone here has a problem with it. As for me, it's my third favourite (first being F!Amell/Alistair, and second F!Cousland (or M!Cousland if I'm in the mood) /Zevran).
I've always liked it when two very different people get together, and even overcoming social obstacle. I think it appeals to the hopeless romantic and optamist in me. So, an elf getting together with a human in the DA world, to me, it's just fodder for a tale of epic romance. Plus, Gideon Emery's voice is just chocolate on gravel, as a friend of mine put it.
And Fae, Fenris likes boobs. So what? He's a guy. Let him be a guy. And I don't think he hates other elves, he just thinks they squander the freedom them have. Also, he's only been shown to be attracted to two women. One, if you choose to not romance him. How does that prove he prefers humans?
Plus, that chick's dress was pretty low-cut, and she did have a rather impressive bust. I'm not attracted to women, and I found myself staring.
Um, just a little question: does anyone here (besides me) actually like the pairing of Lady Hawke and Fenris? Because it seems everyone here has a problem with it. As for me, it's my third favourite (first being F!Amell/Alistair, and second F!Cousland (or M!Cousland if I'm in the mood) /Zevran).
I've always liked it when two very different people get together, and even overcoming social obstacle. I think it appeals to the hopeless romantic and optamist in me. So, an elf getting together with a human in the DA world, to me, it's just fodder for a tale of epic romance. Plus, Gideon Emery's voice is just chocolate on gravel, as a friend of mine put it.
And Fae, Fenris likes boobs. So what? He's a guy. Let him be a guy. And I don't think he hates other elves, he just thinks they squander the freedom them have. Also, he's only been shown to be attracted to two women. One, if you choose to not romance him. How does that prove he prefers humans?
Plus, that chick's dress was pretty low-cut, and she did have a rather impressive bust. I'm not attracted to women, and I found myself staring.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 10:36
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MissRedZelda, what would give you that impression? I thought tha LadyHawke/Fenris is the more popular one. To answer the question, I can't say I like it no more than I can say that I like dudeHawke/Fenris, since the Lady and the Dude are hardly characters. I can say I have nothing against either, if the potential partner is well-written chances are I'll be interested. Gender never really mattered much to me though. If I swap Kas into Kasandra, keeping the previous personality, the presence of boobs would change ****-all. Still the same person. I retty much pick genders randomly for these game characters, if the romance doesn't depend on it. The only exception being my F!DC/Leliana, who was first written as a male (because the last character I wrote was a female DN for Alistair), but I couldn't make a handsome enough man. Shallow, I know.
Edit: Chocolate on gravel? That's perfect!
Also, on the topic of CousCous with Zev(see what I did there?)... Ooh, I so love the potential dynamic of that pair! I always wanted to try it, but already have an F!Cousland with Ali and I can't find the leisure time to write one more CousChild, I only just recently finished my last origins character, finally having one for each back-story. Baw, if only I could have all the time... Still, full support for the "people of different backgrounds" romance. It's simple, but has the potential to be very special.
Edit: Chocolate on gravel? That's perfect!
Also, on the topic of CousCous with Zev
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 11:17
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CousCous. Lol, I do see what you did there 
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 01:22
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mnomaha wrote...
*reads aldien's post* we so need a toolkit...can you image the Zevran mods with Fenris...
*thud*
Hmmm.... did you ever see DahliaLynn's machinima featuring Fenris? She did that inside of DA:O so.... that means she has the Fenris model in DA:O. That could lead to one of two possibilities if she is willing to share.
1. You could perhaps switch out Zevran's model with Fenris's and it would be Fenris chatting to you instead. Of course he won't be able to get naked.
2. Depending on how they created the models it might be possible to switch heads with Zev. Fenris's head on Zev's body and then we'd have a naked Fenris. Hmmmmm. I'm going to contact her and see if she is willing to share the model or see if I can figure some of this out for myself.
Speaking of machinima, in case anyone is interested I did this years ago:
and this one, but the lip syncing is off because machinima.com compressed it again before they put it up :/
I have Fenris rigged and ready to go for a machinima, but I stopped because interest in him had started to drop. I was going to download one of Gideon's songs and have Fenris lip sync to it. I still could I guess, but I noticed even DahliaLynne's excellent machinima did not get the hits it deserved. Anyway... rambling.
MissRedZelda your pairings are exactly the same that I love for those characters. I was surprised to see someone else with that preference. One reason I love Hawke and Fenris is because Hawke is a noble in love with an ex elven slave and I find that romantic. I love the ironic relationships best. Mage/ ex templar, Noble/elf. It, for some reason, makes the relationship feel more genuine.
It was meant as an observation Coldy, not meant to start a raging DA:O/DA2 debate. I'm sorry if it seemed that way. You know me and my big mouth
It's just been awhile since we've had a lengthy discussion on here. It's all good, bad, ugly etc... I'll try and stick to Fenris related thingies from now on since I suspect it was my rant that led to the unhappiness. DA:O is new to me and I tend to be excitable especially everytime I see April's signature. My husband said treat them like two seperate games not by the same company so I shall. And Moto... really? You scare me.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 02:52
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(Gasps) Someone . . . else . . . who likes Cousland and Zevran . . .? YUS! (Throws a party) I thought I was the only one! XD
But yes, I love the "ironic" pairings. It's one of the reasons why I actually don't like Cousland and Alistair or even Hawke and Anders - especially if the former is a mage. They're too similar. And from a story point of view, there is no dynamic between them. The Mage/Bastard prince-Ex-Templar, Dalish-City Elf/bastard prince, Noble/Ex-elven slave, noble/elven assassin make far more interesting pairings because they are a stark contrast to what is expected in their society. They are defying it, and I think I speak for everyone when I say those kinds of stories are ones we all love to watch or read ;-)
Which, to be perfectly honest (and this is just my personal opinon! Fae, please don't bite my head off), if why I find the City Elf/Zevran, and Dalish Elf/Zevran pairings to be . . . well . . . boring. In my head cannon, my FHN presents herself at the end with Zevran, announcing that she and him are an item, and that she doesn't give a nug's ass what they think. She and him love each other and that's all that matters.
You know, I kinda wish Bioware had written in more reactions to the romances. Especiallywith the ones I pursued.
But yes, I love the "ironic" pairings. It's one of the reasons why I actually don't like Cousland and Alistair or even Hawke and Anders - especially if the former is a mage. They're too similar. And from a story point of view, there is no dynamic between them. The Mage/Bastard prince-Ex-Templar, Dalish-City Elf/bastard prince, Noble/Ex-elven slave, noble/elven assassin make far more interesting pairings because they are a stark contrast to what is expected in their society. They are defying it, and I think I speak for everyone when I say those kinds of stories are ones we all love to watch or read ;-)
Which, to be perfectly honest (and this is just my personal opinon! Fae, please don't bite my head off), if why I find the City Elf/Zevran, and Dalish Elf/Zevran pairings to be . . . well . . . boring. In my head cannon, my FHN presents herself at the end with Zevran, announcing that she and him are an item, and that she doesn't give a nug's ass what they think. She and him love each other and that's all that matters.
You know, I kinda wish Bioware had written in more reactions to the romances. Especiallywith the ones I pursued.
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 02:58
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coldwetn0se wrote...
Link then??
DDD: Oops must have missed this last night. Well, if you go to tumblr and search "Fenris" it should come up pretty quickly
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 03:00
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MissRedZelda wrote...
Which, to be perfectly honest (and this is just my personal opinon! Fae, please don't bite my head off), if why I find the City Elf/Zevran, and Dalish Elf/Zevran pairings to be . . . well . . . boring.
You know, after playing both of those, I have to agree that they are a wee bit boring. But I think it's merely that I find Zev boring as a LI. I think he's a fantastic character, but he just didn't click with my Warden. (I always play elf Warden, so in my head, it's the same boy, just in different circumstances ... mage, Dalish, city, etc.)
I am trying to mod/cheat my way through an Alistair romance, so we'll see how that goes. But if it works, I think I will enjoy that one much more!
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Posté 27 septembre 2012 - 03:10
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He'll still refer to you as a woman, I think. But it's your game, so who am I to tell you what to do. Alistair and Garrus are pure female fanservice in my eyes, and they're two of my favourite female LIs. Fenris is up there too.
I have a couple of Elf Wardens. One's a female warrior CE, and the other is a female Dalish rogue. I haven't actually gone very far with them. I've always prefered playing as a mage, so now every other class seems inferior to it. Sigh . . .
I have a couple of Elf Wardens. One's a female warrior CE, and the other is a female Dalish rogue. I haven't actually gone very far with them. I've always prefered playing as a mage, so now every other class seems inferior to it. Sigh . . .
