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[coldwetn0se]

*gives Flippy a wink and a hug*

Have a Fenface.....

[Sealy]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Fleshdress, you know, your Cousland reminds me of Jowan a bit. I think it's the hair and my obsession with the mage origin XDD

Yah I don't like foreheads or something, everytime I choose different hair my mind is always "OMG so much forehead!" So I alwas choose tats and hair to minimize that. But I was using my bf as character model, and then everytime I changed him to add another "bf" feature Ry would be all "OMG, Is that how you see me?" *quibble* and I abandoned that idea before he imploded into a ball of insecure. kept some basics and went awol with the rest.

Yeah, I like that line too, my sarcastic Hawkes always take it, all both of them. But I already wrote Kas as Mr.Blunty McInappropriate so the train crash of the flirt actually fits more. What I really love about Fen is how he reacts to sarcastic Hawke's ludicrous behaviour. His buddy act with Kromis (MrMage McAndersmance) was great because Fen was one of the few people who actually joked back with him! A man with a good sense of humour and an amazing voice. That guy is the full package.

 
I love how Fenris interacts with my Aggro Hawkes. It's all:

PermaangryHawke: Uhg, elf... why you no say anything positive
Fen: The wine was good. *badum cht"

Hehe, no worries, I don't actually like tea or coffee either, I just love peppermint. Hey, I have a giant bottle of sprite next to me right now~! How 'bout some of that? XDD And glad to hear you're feeling better. I'm actually not great today. Serves me right for eating strange food scrapped off of the back of the fridge...

I miss pop like whoa, drinking your virtual sprite can't hurt. About a year ago I decided to stop drinking pop and eating chips so I have few loves other then gaming left.  It's all water and when I am treating myself chocolate soy milk. Uhg... it's actually lame on paper too, how I miss thee cream soda. *drinks all your virtual sprite*

The important thing is that you got over your hate-posting ways! The ones the actually boil my borsht are the pricks that come into a fan thread, drop a hateful comment and disappear. It's like living a burning bag of **** on someone's doorstep!

Yah I can only think of one Bioware member that does that and I haven't seen her in quite awhile, she is actually more often in the Isabela thread but she seems to have meandered off. I know everyone says to ignore troll but it's hard, I just love using them as my aggression outlet so very, very much.

Agh, sing it, sister. The SS-threads give me high blood pressure, but I never feel like opening dialogue, I just feel like I PUNCH YOU. Just like you, I get enough of the "dialogue" in real life as it is.
Say what you want about Bioware's recent behaviour, but their stance on this particular issue has always been the best, I'm glad I don't have to worry about them bowing to the festering pustules of humanity that have an aneurism each time a person of the same sex looks at them funny.

Bah, don't even have to look at them, even the threat of someone possibly ever looking at them...  Meh, I find being attractive to both sexes incredibly flattering, I don't understand other peoples head space on the subject. I like how it starts all cool headed very:

"Well it's not hurting anyone and can we scrap the it's unrealistic argument in the game where rogues can hop halfway across a battle field and Fenris can survive being chomped on by a dragon."

"I don't mind it, I just don't want it in my playthrough"

*which sets my mind ablaze, I hate that argument* I immediatly start spitting and frothing, all rational arguing out the window, sometimes I even yell at my computer screen. Ryan is in the next room and all he hears is; "THAT'S THE EPITOME OF MINDING IT!" Then I have to leave the forum until I stop planning angry posts in my head, and trying to build a gay army to take over the world.

So yah, a subject I will always jump on if it's right in from of my face, but if I can avoid it, I will. 

Well, for one, I never got that dialogue XDD I'm aware of its existence, but never went the route to get it. And even then, why kill him? That's the point that I was trying to make, for most people its just some funny silly thing to do in a game and I understand it, but don't have the ability to partake in it. Characters dying upsets me no matter their choice of words that one time. I take this stuff too seriously to be able to unwind. If I'm in the mood for cathartic killingz and being a rude **** for the giggles I'll pop in a game that promises such, not a story-drive RPG.

I always try to roleplay personalities way different then my own, I am a pretty laid back person with very Derp Hawke moments, I suck, suck in sensitive situations, always trying to make a joke out of it. So when I get the chance to be someone who is a total biatch I am pretty much all over it like white on rice... (white rice)

Even so that Shep, she was a horrible person, it was actually harder trying to find reasons not to kill everyone in that playthrough. I really get into my characters and try to play my phsychopathic ones balls to the walls. Which I find fun when romancing Thane or Garrus cause you know they are just *facepalming* everytime she lets someone else get shot... shooting the politcian during Thanes loyalty mission:

Thane: WTF!!
Shep: What you said you didn't want Kolyat to kill him.
Thane: But why shoot him at all!
Shep: ... Uh, hi, have we met? Why not shoot him, he is almost like a bad person, at the very least annoying.
Thane: Well at least you didn't shoot Kolyat.
Shep: THERE IS AN OPTION TO SHOOT KOLYAT!! :OGarrus get back here we're reloading a previous save!
Thane: *facepalm* 

Modifié par Fleshdress, 10 octobre 2012 - 06:12 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Unf, that nekkid Fenpic on the previous page...

Fleshdress wrote...

Bah, don't even have to look at them, even the threat of someone possibly ever looking at them...  Meh, I find being attractive to both sexes incredibly flattering, I don't understand other peoples head space on the subject. I like how it starts all cool headed very:

"Well it's not hurting anyone and can we scrap the it's unrealistic argument in the game where rogues can hop halfway across a battle field and Fenris can survive being chomped on by a dragon."

"I don't mind it, I just don't want it in my playthrough"

*which sets my mind ablaze, I hate that argument* I immediatly start spitting and frothing, all rational arguing out the window, sometimes I even yell at my computer screen. Ryan is in the next room and all he hears is; "THAT'S THE EPITOME OF MINDING IT!" Then I have to leave the forum until I stop planning angry posts in my head, and trying to build a gay army to take over the world.

Ugh, yeah, that's one of the dumbest things you can hear on the topic. It's like..."are you really that stupid? or are you just being a hypocritical ass?" I'm not sure which is worse.

Thane: WTF!!
Shep: What you said you didn't want Kolyat to kill him.
Thane: But why shoot him at all!
Shep: ... Uh, hi, have we met? Why not shoot him, he is almost like a bad person, at the very least annoying.
Thane: Well at least you didn't shoot Kolyat.
Shep: THERE IS AN OPTION TO SHOOT KOLYAT!! :OGarrus get back here we're reloading a previous save!
Thane: *facepalm* 

 Poor Thane.

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Nilf, I used to be too chicken to come with a character who’d feed Alistair to the Archdemon, Loghain less so, but I never got around to it either. I just cheated and used the console to make all the achievements appear XDD I already had most of them anyway. I still don’t have the Templar achievements in DA2… Writing new things is cool, but games are only half-practice time. The other half is fun time and I can’t have fun supporting Templars.

Well, it's a case of taking a deep breath and ripping off the patch of wax piece of sellotape bandaid. Although I had absolutely no qualms about telling Loghain to go on ahead. I have about 0.1% of sympathy for the guy. I was more saddened by Alistair's hissy fit when I decided to recruit him. My Aeducan was like "hey, bro, I'm doing this partly for your political image as future king, dammit!" But nope...

That being said, I would never do another pro-Templar DA2 playthrough. Once was quite enough. Heck, even seeing Fenris agreeing with that Hawke's decisions was saddening. "Nooo, Fen, don't support the a**hole!"

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Amirit]

Honestly, I do not understand it. I mean, the argument "I am good IRL so here I want to play an evil psycho" is as legal to me as for you "I don't mind it, I just don't want it in my play-through".

To kill someone you like just for a sake of RP... But it's me - I do not play games "shoot the babies for fun".

P.S. Totally anrelated question: how can you vote for the picture on ME faces site? There is not registration and "stars" are not active for me.

Modifié par Amirit, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:15 .

[Sealy]

Amirit wrote...

Honestly, I do not understand it. I mean, the argument "I am good IRL so here I want to play an evil psycho" is as legal to me as for you "I don't mind it, I just don't want it in my play-through".

To kill someone you like just for a sake of RP... But it's me - I do not play games "shoot the babies for fun".

P.S. Totally anrelated question: how can you vote for the picture on ME faces site? There is not registration and "stars" are not active for me.

Hmm, could be because it is stupid early here and my brain is still asleep, but I don't see the comparison.

In one statement someone is saying "I can build a Hawke/Shep who would make the same decisions I do, say the same things, orrrr for the joy of playing a new way, I can make an absolutely insane Hawke/Shep and spend the entire game doing things and saying things that in real life I would never say". In the other statement someone is saying they don't want to acknowlegde gay people in their game.

One is merely deciding to pick a different role other then the one you already have to see how it plays out in a role playing game and the other is a somewhat offensive statement that can make every sex out there other then straight feel like crap because there are people out there who would rather we didn't exsist, going so far to exclude us even from "their version" of a video game. Plus, when you play a character who is like you, you tend to play it by being that character, when you play one who is so opposite you tend to only play as an observer.

Seems completely different to me, but I have my bias glasses on.  Also, you never get the option to shoot babies... well unless you count Conrad Verner, shooting him was a very "OMG, who gave this lady a gun!" for me. It's not about letting out an inner crazy lady, it's about seeing where those choices lead.

ME2 faces, Love that site, so fun... but I have no idea how to help you I have never tried to vote.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 10 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[berelinde]

Amirit wrote...

Honestly, I do not understand it. I mean, the argument "I am good IRL so here I want to play an evil psycho" is as legal to me as for you "I don't mind it, I just don't want it in my play-through".

To kill someone you like just for a sake of RP... But it's me - I do not play games "shoot the babies for fun".

P.S. Totally anrelated question: how can you vote for the picture on ME faces site? There is not registration and "stars" are not active for me.

Diff'rent strokes, I guess. I always base the decision on whether to kill a specific killable NPC on role-playing reasons (they are unremorseful killers with a high likelihood of doing it again, they have a knife to my chracter's throat, they are in the process of torturing an innocent, that kind of thing), but the game kinda provides role-playing reasons aplenty.

Usually, though, I like to play more heroic characters. The same argument that people enjoy playing evil characters in games because they can't in real life can be used to support a heroic story line. In real life, you can't really defeat evil with a sword or a spell. In fantasy games, dragons are slayable and goodness can triumph over evil. It's satisfying.

[Amirit]

Fleshdress wrote...
Hmm, could be because it is stupid early here and my brain is still asleep, but I don't see the comparison.

I meant only degree of annoyance. You described the rage out of that posts so perfectly, I simply did not want to repeat it and ruin description. My feelings and actions when I read about the best way to kill Alistair or turning in Fenris are exactly the same: hissing, spitting and yelling at the screen

[Sealy]

Amirit wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...
Hmm, could be because it is stupid early here and my brain is still asleep, but I don't see the comparison.

I meant only degree of annoyance. You described the rage out of that posts so perfectly, I simply did not want to repeat it and ruin description. My feelings and actions when I read about the best way to kill Alistair or turning in Fenris are exactly the same: hissing, spitting and yelling at the screen

Ahhh yes, I see now. I don't understand turning in Fenris, at all. But then I do understand when people kill them off for role playing reasons. My Male Cousland is deciding whether to have Ali excecuted or exiled because I roleplay him as a kind person I am also roleplaying him as a very Loghain-esque mind set, he wants whats best for Feraldan at any cost and doesn't think a bastard Theirin blood line toddling about within Eamons reach is a very good idea. 

I only really get angry when people are killing off characters because the character is too whiney or don't quibble and worship their PC, I prefer to see it have an actual storyline reason.

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ahhh this argument....I don't really like the idea of killing for the sake of killing unless it fills the role of a vengence type of story where it solves nothing.
I usually steer into rp characters like that because it just shows how they are doing a job that no one will congratulate on them. Like rip roaring revenge stories akin to Kill Bill or Lady Snow blood.

However in some RPG's I tend to go with the necessary evil view or the anti-hero doing the job hoping no one makes it seem heroic or "for the greater good" bs.

Yeah this is why I don't try to write original stories.

[AbsoluteApril]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

April, Ladykill- I think I’ve read about him on some ME threads an eternity ago XDD

XD yup! that was me. I used to hang out in the ME forums but stopped going there after getting burnt by my ME3ending feels plus there tend to be some... very angry/trolling... posters in the ME areas.

Fleshdress wrote...
Then I have to leave the forum until I stop planning angry posts in my head, and trying to build a gay army to take over the world.

lol our gay/bi/tri/all love Fenris Fan army shall DESTROY those threads! destroy with love, logic and magical fisting of course. (edit - oh and squee, I almost forgot the squee)

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 10 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Sealy]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

MrFlipFlops wrote...

April, Ladykill- I think I’ve read about him on some ME threads an eternity ago XDD

XD yup! that was me. I used to hang out in the ME forums but stopped going there after getting burnt by my ME3ending feels plus there tend to be some... very angry/trolling... posters in the ME areas.

Fleshdress wrote...
Then I have to leave the forum until I stop planning angry posts in my head, and trying to build a gay army to take over the world.

lol our gay/bi/tri/all love Fenris Fan army shall DESTROY those threads! destroy with love, logic and magical fisting of course. (edit - oh and squee, I almost forgot the squee)

Ha, I could see us doing that, we could glisten.:innocent:

Personally every time a hate thread pops up it is almost always a troll, I believe the fan threads should band together and no matter how we actually feel about a character as soon as one appears we should all just spam it with sexy pics and squee comments... that should put a stop to the nonsense. It'll be for the good of the forum. 

Uhg that thread though! J.C. Blade is alright in my books, she is just discussing her points, but outside of J.C. I am beginning to get my froth on. Gonna have to start name calling soon:devil:. I can hear the strained tone in my posts. May possibly abandon.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 10 octobre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Enkidu]

coldy, yay, patented Fen side-glance! Are you very busy now or something?

Fleshdress, oh, I can relate to that. I have the same thing with cheeks.
Me: What is this pig-person?! These cheeks are infinite!
CC: The slider is at the minimum.
Me: MAKER NOOOOOOOOO DDDD:

The rimshot after Fen's line is the icing on the cake XDD His interactions with snarky Hawke are pretty much that all the time. "Perish the thought! How else will you redecorate the walls?"

Yeah, like I said I heard all the reasons for these characters and understand them, but it's the fish analogy again - I still just don't like it personally. I write characters in whatever way it hits me to, but with games I never write completely psychotics since it would just end in me spending days researching different neuroses and then playing an emotionally draining game, after months of pre-planning and drafts. That time and inspiration is better spent writing something original, I think XDD I do write characters that do questionable things (renegade Sheps, aggressive Hawkes), but they usually get better during their character arc. Kas is still pissy about certain things and temperamental in general by the third Act, but he isn't an "I WILL KILL ALL THE THINGS AAAHGHH" short-circuited spiky boned creature of a man anymore either. It's more dynamic and interesting for me than just for evulz characters. I get as bored and hateful toward them as I do all-the-time-goodie-two-shoes-for-no-reason guys. Context is everything; it can change the meaning even if two characters make the same action (Jason saves people because he lives by a Justicar-style moral code as a coping mechanism, while Onna is a complacent yes-woman, who is afraid of disapproval from the higher-ups. They both develop differently through the games too).

Flesh and April, sign me up for that army! I'm a great scrapper and kick ass in the debate club. Double threat!

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 11 octobre 2012 - 01:39 .

[Sealy]

OMG, thank goodness I thought I broke the thread. There is a severe lack of people in the DA2 section lately, which is funny cause it's like the only refuge from the crazy train that is the rest of the entire god damn forum. *builds a little nest of blankets in the corner of Fen thread* There be monsters out there and it isn't safe anymore. The crazy is spreading. If you leave the Fen thread be careful, and you make sure none of them bite you.

Ha, uh, yah really there should be a support thread for people with our little problem. My elves are the worst halfway into the origin story scene after I built them abd then it all, I don;t remember making the ears that small, why are they so small! and it's back to the drawing board. You know if Bioware released a game that was just a character creator I think I would be equally entertained since I spend 90% of my gaming time in there anyways.

I used to do all Sarcastic Hawkes all the time, but then Arquen kept posting these little pieces of awesome Fenris Snark and I was all "How am I missing this!" It was like playing a new game, I love getting new lines.

That is actually a pretty interesting way to play.

Aaaaahhh gotta cut and run, go babysit some hooligans for awhile. (they are also crazy, and they also bite.)

[Enkidu]

Oh, I wanted to post yesterday, but I was dead tired and today I woke up late and didn't have time for internetz. And my iPad internet card expired, which is actually good, since I can get some work done during lunch breaks now.
But the population has certainly taken a nosedive recently. Busy time of the year or something? And I always really want to go to the DA3 boards. You know, read some interesting points and check out DGs posts, but then I get there, see the pure amount of hate on the first page alone (Let us kill all the character all the time! AND Tallis especially! No more homos! No more emos! I hate myself and can't have any fun!), so, yeah... That takes the wind out of the ol' sails pretty quickly.

I would visit the hell out of that support group. The amount of redesigning I do... I'm so sick of all the origin stories now, since I had to replay all of them several times to get just how bad the character is XDD And the CE is giving me the most trouble right now, too.
I'd buy that game. I remember spending 60% of my time in Virtua Fighter 5 dressing up hunky lucha libre fighters and gorgeous Japanese ladies of war in cool clothes. "Ooh, I love those leather pants, but they don't match the ribbon on his right hand! Something has to go!”

Fenris is brimming with amazing lines all the time. One of my favourites is from a banter with Aveline, where she tells him to be more presentable, lest he upsets the Hightown fops: "I shall endeavour to exist with less offense".
Also, I made good on my promise and am now prowling das youtubez for Fen videos for lack of any other contact with the elfy goodness and noticed something interesting... In a banter at 4:23, when he says "that itself has been a surprise", does hIs voice seem to lilt a little bit on the "surprise" part? Like with a tone of relieved happiness, I can't really describe it [-100 writer points]... Or is it just my mind playing tricks on me? I should also note that this is a romance-specific line, so I have all the reasons for seeing things which may not be there.

And a bit time-consuming XDD But I get the most enjoyment that way, since it includes all my favourite things (writing, interesting stories to explore and video games).

Good luck, soldier!

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 11 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .

[CuriousArtemis]

I haven't visited any of the hate threads... besides, the companions for DA3 are already set, so they can keep their hater thoughts to themselves lol

Fenris has the best lines in the game, in my opinion, (other than sarcastic!Hawke) and GE delivers them to perfection!

[Sealy]

Oi, is this thread alive? *pokes with stick* I can't let go of it yet. I'm not ready! though I swear I have made three posts today and each tiime I have come back non of them are here. weird.

Heeerrrrrrmmmm... If Fenris had been in DA:O would they have gotten along with your Warden? How do you think he would have gotten along with the DA: O crew?

[Dutchess]

LOL, Fenris and Morrigan... The game would probably explode the moment those two meet.

[CuriousArtemis]

Well, let's see. My current Warden is an elven mage. My first canon Warden was a Dalish elf who was very proud of his heritage and hated leaving his clan. My second Warden was a city elf who hated the alienage and wanted to get out to see the world, but he could be annoying in his enthusiasm to do so.

In short, I think Fenris would have hated them all lol

Agree that he would have gotten along with Sten and Shale the best. I think he would have rolled his eyes at Alistair a lot, and after awhile, he would take Zevran's teasing in stride, but he might snap at him from time to time. Zevran can be pushy lol

[Nilfalasiel]

Fleshdress wrote...

Heeerrrrrrmmmm... If Fenris had been in DA:O would they have gotten along with your Warden? How do you think he would have gotten along with the DA: O crew?

Hmm...All my Wardens are pro-mage, so that would already be a sticking point. On the other hand, they all destroyed the Anvil of the Void and spared the Dalish, so that would earn them brownie points. My canon Warden is a Dalish who never quite got over being forced to be a Warden. She's the quiet, persuasive kind and not an elven supremacist, so they might eventually find common grounds. He'd probably get along with my Tabris and my Brosca as well, who are both easygoing jokers and determined to become something more than their "less-than-nothing" initial status (although Brosca more so, she's my proudest Warden of the lot). They'd definitely have a better idea of what he's been through than the others. On the other hand, he'd have a hard time with my Amell, who is not only a cynical mage but romanced Morrigan as well. Don't think he'd have much in common with my straight-arrow Cousland apart from a desire for revenge. Same for my rather crafty Aeducan.

That being said, he'd likely have a problem with the Dark Ritual, so that's another point of contention with Mahariel, Cousland and Amell.

As for the rest of the crew...he'd probably manage to earn Sten's respect quite easily, due to being familiar with Qunari customs (although if Sten ever finds out he was friends with Fog Warriors, all bets are off). I also agree that he'd get on splendidly with Shale, hate Morrigan's guts and just sort of tolerate Oghren. Definitely lots of eye-rolling in relation to Alistair as well. Bit too idealistic for Fenris' tastes, methinks.

Wynne...she's a pushy nag, I don't see them getting along very well. Don't think he'd take very nicely to a human mage taking on a "mother knows best" attitude towards him. Maybe it would eventually evolve into something along the lines of the rapport he has with Sebastian. Or maybe that's something that would happen with Leliana. He'd probably be as skeptical in relation to her absolute faith as he is in relation to Seb's. Her rather tactless slip-up regarding elves is also not something that would go over well (if he'd had that convo instead of the Warden, that is).

I think Zevran could have a beneficial influence on him. After all, they do have very similar pasts. Fenris' is more traumatic, but Zev has better coping mechanisms, which could rub off in the long run. Zev's needling might cause tensions at first, but he does know when to back off, if the subject is touchy enough. 

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 octobre 2012 - 11:01 .

[Amirit]

A bit of offtopic (like I ever posted anything else)

Since I am still lost in ME universe (suicide mission went wrong, very wrong. Need time travel), it feels strange for a moment to think medieval. But I'll try.

Don't get me wrong - Fenris is still (one of) my favorit but I can not imagine him with Warden. As I see it, he is not much of an idea fighter. Not once Fenris mentioned that fighting for something big - is not his way. Not that I blame him, it's just... Only if he owes Warden personally then he would join. And in that case would not care much who to fight and where. Should Morrigan not be a mage they could get along. In terms of "survival is matter".

Though, Sten could get some distant respect from Fenris, I think. The rest - very doubtfully.

But again, this is my vision

[Nilfalasiel]

Amirit wrote...

Since I am still lost in ME universe (suicide mission went wrong, very wrong. Need time travel), it feels strange for a moment to think medieval. But I'll try.

Need a hand with the suicide mission?

Don't get me wrong - Fenris is still (one of) my favorit but I can not imagine him with Warden. As I see it, he is not much of an idea fighter. Not once Fenris mentioned that fighting for something big - is not his way. Not that I blame him, it's just... Only if he owes Warden personally then he would join. And in that case would not care much who to fight and where. Should Morrigan not be a mage they could get along. In terms of "survival is matter".

Though, Sten could get some distant respect from Fenris, I think. The rest - very doubtfully.

But again, this is my vision

Not all of the Warden's companions are idea fighters either. Sten, Oghren, Zevran, Shale, Morrigan, and Nathaniel, Anders and Velanna in DAA: neither one of those joins the team because they support Warden ideals. Only Alistair, Wynne and Leliana explicitly do, and, to a lesser extent, Sigrun and Justice. So I don't see why that would be an obstacle for Fenris. Besides, he can end up supporting a Hawke who fights for an idea, if you go pro-Mage. Because at that point, as you say, he doesn't care, he's simply loyal.

It's not like all Wardens are necessarily idea fighters either. Mahariels especially: they quite literally had no other choice but to join. Tabris, Cousland, Amell/Surana, Brosca, Aeducan, they all had some modicum of choice upon joining (especially Tabris, who can suggest going to look for the Dalish, and Duncan actually says he could help them with that). Mahariel would've just become a ghoul like Tamlen.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 octobre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Amirit]

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Need a hand with the suicide mission?

Thanks but at the moment I still hope to beat it up myself. It's just an old habit that "nothing happens until you get there" cost me almost whole crew. My Shepard would never allow it, so, I have to start again. Now I know that timer is actually there and if you say "We go for the crew" it means you go, not finishing up your last minute FEDEX missions.

Nilfalasiel wrote...
Besides, he can end up supporting a Hawke who fights for an idea

He does it for Hawke only. And only because of his loyalty to Hawke - and he openly says it. While every member of responsible Warden group in their last words mention that they are ready to dye for a great cause. Except Morrigan, but she has her own great task bound to blight.

But again, my vision, nothing else

@Fae "fiercely loyal to the person if he grows to like/respect " is the best desctiption of his relationship with Hawke. And I am sure he would be the same to Warden. But I think he would feel a bit lonely among so passionate companions without ability to hide even for a moment.

Modifié par Amirit, 12 octobre 2012 - 07:31 .