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[Dutchess]

Meh, I did a friendmance on my first playthrough without meta-gaming, and that was with a mage. It's easy enough to earn friendship points with him. And help mages = rivalry. Pretty predictable. I'd say don't make it a math thing and just play.

If you are planning to be pro-mage though (and anti-slavery) you should consider leaving him in his mansion for a few of those quests, otherwise you might get stuck a bit because those points tend to even each other out. Earning some rivalry points every now and then is no big deal, but if you choose very pro-mage in every possible quest, it becomes a lot.
I did take him everywhere on my first play-through, but I ended up making more conservative choices that would please Fenris, because I wanted to earn his friendship. I felt like a hypocrite mage.

So, if you want to be pro-mage, I recommend just playing it "honest" and going for Fenris' rivalry. I don't see why it would be better to do the friendmance first. Fenris does NOT hate you when rivaled, and you do not have to be a douche to get his rivalry full. And Fenris can handle being confronted by someone with opinions as strong as his own.
Playing rivalmance in as nice a way as possible easily became my favorite. I imagine that even though they have differing opinions, in their darkest hours they understand each other and one can pick up the pieces for the other (Fenris comforting Hawke after Leandra's death, Hawke being there for Fenris after Hadriana/Danarius).

Uhm... so, bottomline of rant: go for whichever suits the Hawke you want to play most. If you now what choices you're going to make, you don't have to peek at the wiki for every quest. That's also annoying and not much fun, in my opinion. And things like this are just silly (although that's what I did on my first play-through, haha):


WIoOoIW

[Nilfalasiel]

renjility wrote...

So, if you want to be pro-mage, I recommend just playing it "honest" and going for Fenris' rivalry. I don't see why it would be better to do the friendmance first. Fenris does NOT hate you when rivaled, and you do not have to be a douche to get his rivalry full. And Fenris can handle being confronted by someone with opinions as strong as his own.
Playing rivalmance in as nice a way as possible easily became my favorite. I imagine that even though they have differing opinions, in their darkest hours they understand each other and one can pick up the pieces for the other (Fenris comforting Hawke after Leandra's death, Hawke being there for Fenris after Hadriana/Danarius).

I'm perplexed by the idea that leaving Fenris behind on pro-mage quests is somehow "dishonest". I find it plausible that a pro-mage Friend!Hawke would see that Fenris has deep-seated issues with mages that won't just go away in a blink and that rubbing it into his face won't help (as witnessed by Anders' "success" at changing his mind). So they'd agree to disagree on the topic, and Hawke would simply not ask for his services when something mage-related comes up. How is that dishonest? If anything, I'd say it's more considerate of Fenris' feelings, which is the main theme in a Friendmance.

I'm with moto on favouring a Friendmance. It's true that I haven't actually played a Rivalmance, but I feel zero inclination to, because I enjoy the dynamic in a Friendmance. Fenris has had enough drama and confrontation in his life, it's nice that he can have a more soothing relationship for once. I find that it also works well with the fact that he's destabilised and frightened by it: he's not used to letting his guard down or to have an understanding and sympathetic ear for his troubles.

That aside, a Friendmance isn't all that difficult, even with a mage Hawke. You can earn a LOT of Friendship points if you're anti-slavery. And there are plenty of slavery-related quests.

[Amirit]

Nilfalasiel, let me shake your hand - well said!

[Dutchess]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

I'm perplexed by the idea that leaving Fenris behind on pro-mage quests is somehow "dishonest". I find it plausible that a pro-mage Friend!Hawke would see that Fenris has deep-seated issues with mages that won't just go away in a blink and that rubbing it into his face won't help (as witnessed by Anders' "success" at changing his mind). So they'd agree to disagree on the topic, and Hawke would simply not ask for his services when something mage-related comes up. How is that dishonest? If anything, I'd say it's more considerate of Fenris' feelings, which is the main theme in a Friendmance.

I'm with moto on favouring a Friendmance. It's true that I haven't actually played a Rivalmance, but I feel zero inclination to, because I enjoy the dynamic in a Friendmance. Fenris has had enough drama and confrontation in his life, it's nice that he can have a more soothing relationship for once. I find that it also works well with the fact that he's destabilised and frightened by it: he's not used to letting his guard down or to have an understanding and sympathetic ear for his troubles.

That aside, a Friendmance isn't all that difficult, even with a mage Hawke. You can earn a LOT of Friendship points if you're anti-slavery. And there are plenty of slavery-related quests.

Of course you can roleplay it with that in mind, but usually it boils down to: "I don't want to earn rivalry points, so I don't take companions with me on quests they'll disagree with me." You indicate as much yourself, by saying that you don't want to try the rivalry relationship. You may have found an in-game justification for it, but it started with not wanting to earn rivalry points.

The purpose of the friendship/rivalry system is reflecting whether companions agree or disagree with Hawke's actions and Hawke's opinions. Manipulating the game so that a character doesn't get the chance to disagree, ruins the dynamic of the relationship system. What, Fenris doesn't know Hawke's stance on mages' freedom when he is at home while Hawke frees all the apostates? I think he should still disagree with Hawke, because it seems likely he'll hear what happened from Isabela, Varric or Aveline. Or Anders rubs it in. Fenris' opinion on the mage issue is so strong, that he would not be soothed by Hawke leaving him at home so he can't even object to Hawke's actions.

Friendship in the game boils down to the character finding an ally in his/her beliefs. When the beliefs do not match with those of Hawke, rivalry is the natural consequence. Disagreeing does not equal drama. The friendmance is not necessarily "nicer". I believe that to Fenris it's more important that his ideas and arguments are being heard than that they're agreed with. As a slave he was never allowed to have an opinion. Now he can have one and speak up about it, without being whipped when Hawke does not share the same opinion. He learns how to express his point of view and debate the opinion of others. 

I honestly do not mean this as criticism, because everybody is free to play the game as he/she wants and give an own interpretation to it. That's also the reason I used quotation marks around the word "dishonest", because I wanted to indicate it should not be taken literally. Unfortunately you still seem to interpret it as such. I'm sorry if I came across wrong. It's just that I have seen many posts around the forum from people who did not want to earn rivalry points ("you have to flirt with Anders or you'll get rivalry points! I don't want rivalry points!!! Grrrr!"), and I think that's a shame, because rivalry is really not something to be afraid of. No bad things will happen that ruin the game. Companions can still respect Hawke and be completely loyal. And sometimes it's a nice change of pace.

[Ghost_Nappa]

thank you ren for stating one of the reasons in rivalmance Fenris. I don't do it for that glowing angry wall sex scene, I do it because I secretly help Fenris with therapeutic missions.
We agree to disagree because he believes all mages should be locked up, but I think mages should be treated with equal respect and it doesnt take a fireball to hurt someone.

Plus in a way I like to Mage friendly-rivalmance him with a blunt, or more known as agressive hawke, who doesnt lie to him and let him know how she feels without being snarky.

Problem is its so damn neutral the game wont let me when I need certain people at 70-100....I think a majority of my playthroughs have fenris switch to the templars and switch back.
Only one playthrough where I maxed it out on friendmance....felt weird and like I was just 'playing' nice for him like an awful lovesick puppy (gah)

[Ghost_Nappa]

Ok sorry for double posting, but its early in the morning and Im feeling rather productive when I came across a certain question on the dragonageconfessions: "Would fangirls still like fenris if he were a dwarf?"

My answer was in limbo...until I found this! So yeah....still secretly fangirl over the little brooder.




By JussaraGonzo

Modifié par Ghost_Nappa, 14 octobre 2012 - 02:03 .

[Nilfalasiel]

renjility wrote...

The purpose of the friendship/rivalry system is reflecting whether companions agree or disagree with Hawke's actions and Hawke's opinions. Manipulating the game so that a character doesn't get the chance to disagree, ruins the dynamic of the relationship system. What, Fenris doesn't know Hawke's stance on mages' freedom when he is at home while Hawke frees all the apostates? I think he should still disagree with Hawke, because it seems likely he'll hear what happened from Isabela, Varric or Aveline. Or Anders rubs it in. Fenris' opinion on the mage issue is so strong, that he would not be soothed by Hawke leaving him at home so he can't even object to Hawke's actions.

I'd say that's more of a flaw of the Friendship-Rivalry mechanic. Again, my idea is to purposefully avoid rubbing it into Fenris' face when Hawke does something that benefits mages. It just so happens that it translates to an absence of Rivalry points. In an ideal scenario, I would've scripted it as earning Rivalry points when/if the quest is mentioned later on, but fewer than had Fenris actually been there to witness the event.

Friendship in the game boils down to the character finding an ally in his/her beliefs. When the beliefs do not match with those of Hawke, rivalry is the natural consequence. Disagreeing does not equal drama. The friendmance is not necessarily "nicer". I believe that to Fenris it's more important that his ideas and arguments are being heard than that they're agreed with. As a slave he was never allowed to have an opinion. Now he can have one and speak up about it, without being whipped when Hawke does not share the same opinion. He learns how to express his point of view and debate the opinion of others. 

I honestly do not mean this as criticism, because everybody is free to play the game as he/she wants and give an own interpretation to it. That's also the reason I used quotation marks around the word "dishonest", because I wanted to indicate it should not be taken literally. Unfortunately you still seem to interpret it as such. I'm sorry if I came across wrong. It's just that I have seen many posts around the forum from people who did not want to earn rivalry points ("you have to flirt with Anders or you'll get rivalry points! I don't want rivalry points!!! Grrrr!"), and I think that's a shame, because rivalry is really not something to be afraid of. No bad things will happen that ruin the game. Companions can still respect Hawke and be completely loyal. And sometimes it's a nice change of pace.

Oh, I don't think Rivalry is necessarily bad. I always Rival Merrill, for example, because I can't, for the life of me, agree with what she does, so none of my Hawkes do either. Same with Sebastian: only my pro-Templar Hawke ended up Friending him, and I'm not planning to do it again. It just depends on who you think that particular dynamic would work with: Sebastian is a born waffler, so I think that a kick in the butt (which is essentially what the Rivalry with him tries to do) can only be beneficial for him. In Merrill's case, it's an extreme pigheadedness and pride that I find infuriating. On the other hand, Rivalry is distinctly destructive for Anders.

It's less clear-cut with Fenris. Strictly speaking, the 100% honest way to play most of my Hawkes would be to eat all Rivalry and all Friendship points, end up neutral and have to kill Fenris at the end. I don't want to do that. And I think that a Hawke who is supportive of his struggles to free himself and who actively fights slavery should be able to earn his loyalty too, regardless of being pro- or anti-mage. Again, it's a flaw of the "absolutist" Frienship/Rivalry system that you have to be 100% one way or the other to be able to do that. Real-life relationships don't work that way: I can strongly disagree on one particular topic with one of my friends and still consider the dynamic between us as "friendly", rather than the "challenging camaraderie" that DA2's understanding of Rivalry entails.

Similarly, most of my Hawkes don't want to actively challenge Fenris on his ideas about mages. They know it takes time and that forcing the issue won't bring anything good. I don't perceive this as a Rivalry dynamic, so having it translate into Rivalry points doesn't feel natural to me.
 
I have the same problem with Anders: most of my Hawkes are pro-mage but don't approve of Justice. However, there's no way to make that distinction, so I have to settle for Friendship.

tl;dr: I don't have anything against Rivalry intrinsically, it's just not a flexible enough system sometimes. I do, however, have something against Rivalmances.

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm not into angry shouty relationships so I prefer the friendmance with both Fenris and Anders xD I do rival Merrill though sometimes. But it still makes me sad because she's so upset. Yeah, they are just more unhappy and angrier when rivaled, romanced or not. And I prefer everyone to be happy lol

[Mello]

Ghost_Nappa wrote...

Ok sorry for double posting, but its early in the morning and Im feeling rather productive when I came across a certain question on the dragonageconfessions: "Would fangirls still like fenris if he were a dwarf?"

My answer was in limbo...until I found this! So yeah....still secretly fangirl over the little brooder.




By JussaraGonzo

Damn you made me realize how hot Varric would look as an elf. 

[Amirit]

motomotogirl wrote...
 Yeah, they are just more unhappy and angrier when rivaled, romanced or not. And I prefer everyone to be happy lol

I am with you on it. In may camp everyone is happy, friendly and helpful

[coldwetn0se]

I do enjoy the Friendmance better with Fenris, than the Rivalmance. Having done both though, the two varieties can be role played believably. At least from my perspective. The Rivalmance with my Tyrel Hawke and Fenris, was a great RP experience, but if anyone remembers the epilogues I wrote for some of the Hawke/Fenris pairings...that one didn't end terribly well (still better than Sad-sack Hawke...and she WAS a Friendmance...hehe!).

My very first play through (when I thought for sure I would romance Anders) was very green. I tried to play my spritely red-headed rogue/archer, very honest. Even then, I still managed to max Fenris' friendship out by the last quest in Act 2 (yup; he gave me the remaining 10 points I needed, by agreeing to duel the Arishok). Here is where I took hits:
1) Let Fenriel go to the Dalish
2) Defended my sister during right after Danarius' mansion in "Bait and Switch".
3) Didn't agree with the circle when first visiting the Gallows with Fenris in Act 1.

What made up the difference was that Wayward Son gives more F points than R, if you kill slavers (which I did, and always do....except once), not agreeing with blood magic when picking up Merrill, taking a certain path in the dialogue when speaking to him at his mansion, all the points you can garner by truly helping in 'A Bitter Pill', his gift in Act 2, and finally the Arishok confrontation. And now, you can also get more points in Legacy (and interestingly enough, you get them for Anders in the same way). I will admit, that I did NOT have Fenris with me during "Act of Mercy", and that was just sheer luck. I was trying to play a few characters that I hadn't really been using much of at that point. Had I taken him with me, then it may have taken me to Act 3 to finally max him out.

As for liking the Friendmance more, I admit I find it more endearing. I especially like it with my mages. The one line in Act 3 during the Rivalmance, and it may be more indicative of Hawke's personality, that really gets under my skin is when Hawke says, "We're not exactly Friends, Fenris." I know this can be viewed in more than one way (friends vs (ex)lovers), but it makes me grimace. It worked ok for my Tyrel Hawke, but I still feel it was because of the way I RPed that Hawke. There is also the general sense of frustration that comes with the Rivalmance that just doesn't make it seem like a long lasting relationship. This is just MY impression when playing it, NOT that people can't role play it differently. But the bottom line is, BOTH paths have their fun, and their value for role playing.

Nowadays, when I Friendmance Fenris, I play honest to the character, which DOES mean their is some metagaming. Simply put, if I RP a Hawke that is trying to maintain an accord with Fenris (whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter...it is realistic for SOME people/characters to be...hmm..overprotective at times, with those they care about), I won't be dragging him with me on "Act of Mercy", for example. I also play a lot of Hawkes who's position and personalities change through the different Acts. As much as Hawke can be an influence on his companions, I allow for RPing of some Hawkes for the companions to influence her/him. So this means that even if a certain Hawke decides to support the mages in the end, they may not have actively participated in liberating all mages in previous acts/quests. Different Hawkes, different personalities and choices.

That was probably much longer than it needed to be. Sorry for the tl;dr.

[Dutchess]

If you let Feynriel go to the Dalish, but killed the slaver holding him captive, you net out with zero change in friendship/rivalry. Or do you count to other slaver that you could have interrogated by Fenris as well?

[coldwetn0se]

I include the slaver in dark town as well, since it is part of Wayward son.

**EDIT**
said low town, when I meant to say Dark town

Modifié par coldwetn0se, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:49 .

[Sealy]

My favorite bit in rivalmance is that in a friendmance, no matter how you get there the game assumes it is because you are of a mind, so even if you aren't anti-mage, Fenris isn't really being shown that all mages aren't the same cause he sees you as in agreement with him. I think it's only on the rival path that he heaves that sigh and says "Maybe it is time to let go, this hatred is a poison and I swallow it willingly, what has been done I have done to myself" Which I think is a huge step forward in Fenris' step towards taking the reigns in his life and truly being free.

This isn't to say that being yelled at every time you give the guy a gift is particularly fun, but I like to think that anger is just a translation of his fear as you tip his every preconception about mages upside down. Getting rival points hurts, from all the companions, cause my Hawkes all want everyone to love them, but I also feel that the rival paths are more "Hey, the way you are treating people isn't good, stop it." except for with Varric, I believe rivaling him is the same as hating each other, Lol.

That said, outside of preference most of my romances are friendmances cause most of my Hawkes are pretty anti-mage. *ducks flying fruit*

Hmmm, How does everyone feel about old romance cameo's in DA3?

[Enkidu]

*pathetically crawls on the ground, bony hand outstretched in a futile gesture made out of utter despair*
Paper due dates, mid-terms. Agh. Deaths, all the deaths are upon me.

First of all, Fleshdress! *pitches fruit* That'll teach ya to be anti-mage! Unprovoked violence!
Now that that's over with...

I don't think I can actually make a fully fleshed out post, but I just missed this place so much that I had to at least say something.
With Fenris I'm more tolerant toward the rival relationship, since I find some of them downright despicable if not just poorly implemented and silly *cough*Aveline*cough* His actually has a lot of good points to it and I wouldn't mind writing a character to rival him, if such a time investment could be justified to the mirror. As it stands, I always frindmance him with Kas, who's actually pro-mage at the end of the day. I think I explained how I pulled that off without ever taking Fen out of the party... Let's just say that Kassander's instability during the first Act is a big help.
But the line that you brought up from the rivalmance, "Maybe it is time to let go, this hatred is a poison and I swallow it willingly, what has been done I have done to myself", is the thing that encapsulates why I like it as much as the frindmance. Therefore, no actual preference.

[Nilfalasiel]

Fleshdress wrote...
I think it's only on the rival path that he heaves that sigh and says "Maybe it is time to let go, this hatred is a poison and I swallow it willingly, what has been done I have done to myself" Which I think is a huge step forward in Fenris' step towards taking the reins in his life and truly being free.

Hmm...You may just have convinced me to try the Rival path. By quoting one line.

When does he say this? And does he have to be romanced, or will he say it on a plain Rivalry?

Hmmm, How does everyone feel about old romance cameos in DA3?

If they're as "well" done as the romance cameos in DA2, then I shall channel Sebastian for one big "Maker, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

If they manage to not screw them up, then I'm all for it. But they don't exactly have the best track record in the matter.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 15 octobre 2012 - 10:00 .

[AmaneSaiko]

Fleshdress wrote...

Hmmm, How does everyone feel about old romance cameo's in DA3?

I actually don't really want any cameos. Going by DA2 cameos, it just felt like it was tacked on for the fans and felt out of place for the most part. If some do come back I want it to be because of significant story reasons. I feel like I have an unpopular opinion 

[Sealy]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

*pathetically crawls on the ground, bony hand outstretched in a futile gesture made out of utter despair*
Paper due dates, mid-terms. Agh. Deaths, all the deaths are upon me.

Aww, muffin. It's a good thing you dropped in, I was gonna send out a search party. That you would let a little thing like school impede on Fenris squee time is a shame in and of itself. It will all be over soon dearling. *pat pat*

First of all, Fleshdress! *pitches fruit* That'll teach ya to be anti-mage! Unprovoked violence!
Now that that's over with...

*wipes fruit from beautiful self* That was just lovely, consider me properly contrite.

I don't think I can actually make a fully fleshed out post, but I just missed this place so much that I had to at least say something.
With Fenris I'm more tolerant toward the rival relationship, since I find some of them downright despicable if not just poorly implemented and silly *cough*Aveline*cough* His actually has a lot of good points to it and I wouldn't mind writing a character to rival him, if such a time investment could be justified to the mirror. As it stands, I always frindmance him with Kas, who's actually pro-mage at the end of the day. I think I explained how I pulled that off without ever taking Fen out of the party... Let's just say that Kassander's instability during the first Act is a big help.
But the line that you brought up from the rivalmance, "Maybe it is time to let go, this hatred is a poison and I swallow it willingly, what has been done I have done to myself", is the thing that encapsulates why I like it as much as the frindmance. Therefore, no actual preference.

Uhg, yes the bad vibes that is rivaling Varric and Aveline. I rival Aveline but not on purpose, girl just hates all my Hawkes. I do so love it when she tosses my Hawkes to the ground and beats the ever loving ****e out of them. Truly, they don't feel at all emasculated. Varric is just mean to Hawke in rival path. 

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Hmm...You may just have convinced me to try the Rival path. By quoting one line.

When does he say this? And does he have to be romanced, or will he say it on a plain Rivalry?

Nope he says it romanced or not. Actually I believe it is only on friendship that he also apologises if he has "been difficult". Which I also like.

If they're as "well" done as the romance cameos in DA2, then I shall channel Sebastian for one big "Maker, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

If they manage to not screw them up, then I'm all for it. But they don't exactly have the best track record in the matter.

AmaneSaiko wrote...
I actually don't really want any cameos. Going by DA2 cameos, it just felt like it was tacked on for the fans and felt out of place for the most part. If some do come back I want it to be because of significant story reasons. I feel like I have an unpopular opinion [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sad.png[/smilie]

Ah good, I really thought I was just jaded cause of Zevs bugged out cameo. I actually don't need cameo's in DA3 just hearing what happened to the Warden and Champion and maybe hearing that their old romances are still with them? I dunno, I don't mind hearing about the Warden again, the epilogue was pretty thourogh with options about where and what they are doing, the epilogue in DA2 was like having limbes severed, no closure for anyone, so I would like to know what went down there a bit.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:23 .

[Nilfalasiel]

Fleshdress wrote...

Nope he says it romanced or not. Actually I believe it is only on friendship that he also apologises if he has "been difficult". Which I also like.

You mean "only on rivalry", right?

Ah good, I really thought I was just jaded cause of Zevs bugged out cameo.

Ugh, Zev's cameo...The bitterness!

Also:

MrFlipFlops wrote...

*pathetically crawls on the ground, bony hand outstretched in a futile gesture made out of utter despair*
Paper due dates, mid-terms. Agh. Deaths, all the deaths are upon me.

*gives batch of chocolate cookies*

*...and some vodka*

[Sealy]

Nilfalasiel wrote...

Fleshdress wrote...

Nope he says it romanced or not. Actually I believe it is only on friendship that he also apologises if he has "been difficult". Which I also like.

You mean "only on rivalry", right?

Oops, nope I meant ony as an unromanced person. lol so a friend (Frenemy?), not lover. 

Modifié par Fleshdress, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:04 .

[AbsoluteApril]

one page back - Flesh! I love love love the banters! Those were great! i heard all the character's voices as I read them too, well done!

oh and I've said it before (and before lol) but I do prefer the mage rivalmance - diplo style!
Friendmance is fun as well but I do prefer rival for both Fen and Merrill.

(edit, I've also enjoyed pro-templar although I am normally 'pro-mage-freedom'. I'm working up a character that will be a mage and pro-templar, should be interesting)

edit again... rival Aveline beats Hawke up! I really got to try that. I always end up BFFs with her, every single Hawke. not on purpose, just turns out that way.

DA LI cameos - I am all for them, I don't even have to see them but to hear about it is just as great. (like when the bartender makes comment about Alistair and his elven lover) - I just like them to be acknowledged somehow, makes it feel like the game recognizes imports. I'll also preface that comment to say - hey I don't have any problem with a little 'fan service'

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 15 octobre 2012 - 06:46 .

[Enkidu]

Fleshdress, thanks, buttercup. I'm done with the paper, which was the more pleasant part, since I could at least choose an interesting topic. But the impeding algebra has me in a state of fear-induced catatonia still. I'll probably phase in and out of existence here until I pass.

I got the vibe that the Varric and Aveline rivalry was written as an afterthought. It's just so utterly ridiculous! Though the verbal abuse from Varric is fun in an "I'll watch it on das youtubez" kind of way.

Also, seconding all the apprehension regarding romance cameos. I've been burned once already (Zev, you suddenly ugly ****! How could you?! I thought we had something special!) and I dread what they can do with Fen or worse *shudders* Anders. Just leave all my lovelies in peace already.

Nilf, aw, thanks, luv. I don't drink, though, but cookies are always boss.

April, another one is in our midst! *pelts templar supporter with fruit*

[AbsoluteApril]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

April, another one is in our midst! *pelts templar supporter with fruit*

ahh delicious fruit. I shall save the apples for Fenris as we gloat about our good deeds over the bodies of dead and dangerous mages.

the snozzberries taste like snozzberries

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 15 octobre 2012 - 08:30 .

[Nilfalasiel]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

ahh delicious fruit. I shall save the apples for Fenris as we gloat about our good deeds over the bodies of dead and dangerous mages.

I think that warrants a repost:




@ FlipFlops: Care for some ice cream instead of the vodka?

[AmaneSaiko]

 You guys always cheer me up in the morning 

I think I would be fine if past romances are mentioned, in conversation or random npc chatter. Hey we are probably going to Orlais, rumors everywhere! Any on screen camoes would just break me though, unless there is a VERY GOOD REASON FOR IT.