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hi again Fenris thread! No zombie pics from halloween, I ended up with the flu and been sick for the past 10 days. So mad! I got my outfit all bloody and ready to go, guess I'll have to wait until next year. Still got a few pages to catch up on here, but wanted to comment on this:

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I saw that there was a mini-romance mod written for him for the Mage origin and got curious. Wondering if it's any good; has anybody tried it out? 


I enjoyed the Cullen mod, but I got the hotsie totsies for him on my first f!mage PT when he got shy and stammering. Something about a guy being shy when he likes a girl I find very endearing, cliche maybe but I still like it. The mod ads a few scenes (no dialogue) and a short kiss sequence. I believe it also adds a line when you see him again during the circle mage quest. It doesn't feel like a full romance but it adds a nice background romance for the player going forward (imo!).

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The whole "only human protagonist" news hurts my freaking soul.


ahhh was this finally confirmed, for really reals?? I've been off here for a few weeks so got a lot of catching up to do. Link? my soul.. it cries. I want playable races. *swears* <pout> *grumble* <sigh>  I'll still pre-order.


EDIT - 1st post in about a month and figures I end up with a TOP
here you go, by Tahara
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also the FenFanLove group on DA is having 2 Fenris contests through the end of the year, here's a LINK

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 06 novembre 2012 - 12:46 .


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Am I the only one who doesn't mind the fact that you can only play as a human? Does that make me a horrible person . . .? Then again, I'm a huge Mass Effect fan, and you can only play as a human. So yeah . . .

As long as I get to play as a Mage, then I'm happy. ^_^

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MissRedZelda wrote...

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the fact that you can only play as a human? Does that make me a horrible person . . .? Then again, I'm a huge Mass Effect fan, and you can only play as a human. So yeah . . .


This made me giggle b/c when I played ME3 I couldn't help thinking, I wish I could play as an asari... they're so cool... :lol: But I have a feeling you can play an asari in the multiplayer.

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You can. In fact, you can be Asari, Salarian, Quarian, Turnia, ect. Each have their own special skills and everything.

Though personally, I want to play as Garrus Vakarian. Because he is awesome. In fact, my own little pipe dream is that Bioware would make a Witch Hunt-esk DLC in which you play as your LI going on a search for Shepard. In my case, it would be Garrus looking for my Femshep because according to the ending I chose (destroy), he knows she's alive because he didn't put the plaque up.

Unlikely, I know. But that's what fanfiction is for.

Anyway, here's hoping Fenris makes at least a cameo in DA3.

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Aww April, that sucks big time. I worked through Halloween so I also didn't get to dress up. I commiserate but at least I wasn't sick.:(

Best yet Moto, you can play a male Quarian (Okay it's the best for me), and I am super excited for the Omega DLC in which we will finally meet the mysterious Female Turians.

The "no races" isn't a deal breaker or anything... but it is a little sad. I mean in DA universe the humans seem to have it the easiest, kinda why I liked playing my put upon elves, best back stories. Ah well, I really love having a voiced protagonist, so I suppose if I have to give up something then this is the give up I can live with.

As far as Fen Cameos, I am still a little on the fence, I mean I want to see him, truly, but I have had zero luck thus far on our elven companions romance-y bits not being screwed up. I have my doubts that we'll hear anything further about where our Hawkes are. Which is why I am so jealous of Anders/Cullen fans right now. The chance of their baby re appearing is pretty high (If Anders is alive) The chance of Fen coming back? Not so high.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 06 novembre 2012 - 10:52 .


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MissRedZelda wrote...
In fact, my own little pipe dream is that Bioware would make a Witch Hunt-esk DLC in which you play as your LI going on a search for Shepard.


Brilliant idea! And I mean it. Even if Shepard is dead - LI could go and search for the body. Or something like that. And so many unhappy fans would buy that DLC...

Btw, all ME fans - have you seen this? http://social.biowar...ndex/14795358/1

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Amirit wrote...

Btw, all ME fans - have you seen this? http://social.biowar...ndex/14795358/1


Yyyep...And all my ME games are still on Xbox360.

@ April: Thanks for the details on the Cullen mod. I'll still give it a shot at some point in the future, just to see for myself.

Also, that's some nice togs Hawke and Fenris are wearing in that pic.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 07 novembre 2012 - 07:48 .


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Guys, help please! Who is the character on the right? What game is it? The original post is too old to ask and I am dying from curiosity!

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Modifié par Amirit, 08 novembre 2012 - 12:08 .


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Amirit wrote...

Guys, help please! Who is the character on the right? What game is it? The original post is too old to ask and I am dying from curiosity!


That would be Carth from KotOR.

Don't get your hopes up though...he is a WHINER. You know people that say Kaidan's a whiner? Well, Carth is a lot worse. They share the same VA too.

But yeah, it's just too bad Carth is the only 'real' LI for a female character in KotOR. I was pining for Canderous throughout the whole game Posted Image

There was Juhani, but a) she scared me and B) it wasn't a fully fledged romance.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 08 novembre 2012 - 01:15 .


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OMG! Now I fully understand the motivator (they come in threes :) )

Thanks a lot for help. I did not play KoTOR yet, now I know what to expect.

Modifié par Amirit, 08 novembre 2012 - 01:08 .


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AbsoluteApril wrote...


Fleshdress wrote...

The whole "only human protagonist" news hurts my freaking soul.


ahhh was this finally confirmed, for really reals?? I've been off here for a few weeks so got a lot of catching up to do. Link? my soul.. it cries. I want playable races. *swears* <pout> *grumble* <sigh>  I'll still pre-order.


A bit late perhaps, but the thread about it in the DA3 forum is on the first page. The title is "DA3 to use a human protagonist". I believe the announcement itself was made by Gaider during some panel. 
The news really made me lose enthusiasm and hope for the new game. I'm kinda sick of the options that are being removed with basically the "too much work" reason. They claimed a better story and deeper character customization were the reasons for Hawke being human, and I have seen none of that in the game itself, so I'm very skeptical now and they will really have to impress me before I reconsider not buying the game. 

The only thing I know they will do right is the companions. I have no doubt about that. But it's not enough to make me pay 60 euro's again. In that case I'll wait until the price has dropped.

I'll post a Fenris to brighten up this complain post a little. Unfortunately I haven't seen any new Fenris art for some time. At least the people I have subscribed to haven't uploaded any.:(
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#53612
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@Ren - Lovely picture as always. I miss your Fen art posts. ;)

I honestly have no feels yet for DA:I.....I just don't. Maybe as we get closer to the release date. But as it stands, it's just too far off in the future for me to have much of an opinion on it. Not enough data.

I have been wrapped up in other things (one being Dragon's Dogma), that I have missed my Fenris crack! I may have to play a bit this weekend, just to hear that voice and see that face. :D

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Against my better judgement I'm posting. But all for the love of Fenris. There is supposedly a movie being made with Fenris and FHawke. Gideon Emery is also supposedly lending his voice for this. *shrugs* could be true.

I found this: elegantartist21.deviantart.com/#/d5jx2jg

Regardless if the movie gets made or not that is a beautiful picture and not far off from how I imagine him to look in person.

Modifié par aldien, 12 novembre 2012 - 12:45 .


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aldien wrote...

Against my better judgement I'm posting. But all for the love of Fenris. There is supposedly a movie being made with Fenris and FHawke. Gideon Emery is also supposedly lending his voice for this. *shrugs* could be true.

I found this: elegantartist21.deviantart.com/#/d5jx2jg

Regardless if the movie gets made or not that is a beautiful picture and not far off from how I imagine him to look in person.


With all due respect for the artist, just...no. I'm already of the opinion that people should just stop trying to turn videogames into films (I've never seen a good adaptation), but the carboard-looking armour in that photo is an instant 'off' button. Sure, the model is rather easy on the eyes, and I've no doubt of their good intentions, but I don't see this working.

Besides, concerning the voice, she simply says "it will be the original voice from Gideon Emery", not that Gideon Emery is actually voicing the film. I doubt she has the funds for it, and, unless she knows him personally and/or he owes her a favour, I don't see him participating in a random fan project for free. It's entirely possible that she's simply using/rearranging his lines from DA, FFXII and/or films he's been in. It's been done before.

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Hmm, it also seems to be about their own personal playthrough, which honestly doesn't do much for me. On the other hand, it seems like a fan video made with some of her friends so all the power to her. Not my cup of tea, but many fan vids aren't so... I had thought that there would be some copyright issues, but maybe that is only if you profit?

I keep stalking Gideon Emrys page in hopes that someone might slip up and post about a VO session for DA:I, I don't know how much they plan on revamping the art for it, but I think I am warming to seeing him in a cameo. Uhg, I think I just miss Fenris, I still have things for my Zevran addiction, but I have run out of Fenris stuff. :(

#53616
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Have no problem with fan made stuff. In the end, it really is made for the fan making it. Either I will enjoy it, or I won't, but I certainly don't have a problem with it. I admit I prefer animated fan stuff for DA, but that is just my personal preference (like I love the adaptation Dahlialynn made for Gaider's Fenris short story). I wish her all the best, and thanks @Aldy for dropping it off. Hope you have been well. :)

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Whats this adaption you speak of?

Nevermind I found it. That was awesome. Thanks for bringing it up Cold otherwise I would never have known! Did they actually continue it in "The Hidden Circle"? Oh yes, that was exactly the Fenris fix I needed.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 12 novembre 2012 - 06:52 .


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aldien wrote...
Regardless if the movie gets made or not that is a beautiful picture and not far off from how I imagine him to look in person.


Thanks for the link! I do not know how it would look like at the end, but you are totally right - the picture is very beautiful. Wonder if Hawke (in this movie) can match the beauty :)

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Nilfalasiel wrote...

With all due respect for the artist, just...no. I'm already of the opinion that people should just stop trying to turn videogames into films (I've never seen a good adaptation),


Just because a high quality film adaptation of a video game hasn't been made yet doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. Trial and error is how people improve and progress. Nothing can be obtained by people quitting just because the first tries weren't perfect.

Besides, you know this onslaught of high-quality, high-budget film adaptations of superhero comics we've seen over the last decade? Only occured after decades of crappy superhero movies and the occasional "It's good, but still cheesy, corny, for kids and for nerds" attitude toward films like the 1970's Superman and Tim Burton Batman series. By the 1990's, most comic book movies were seen as a complete joke until Marvel took risks with and finally figured out how to make high-quality, mainstream comic movies with Blade, the X-Men and Spiderman series. Do you think we'd have such masterpieces as Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Saga or the Avengers without Marvel and Hollywood's innovation back when success would have been seen as unlikely?

Books, comics and video games are all different from and difficult to adapt to film, yet books and comics have been around much longer than video games. Filmmakers have had literally a century to learn how to adapt books to film and decades to adapt comics to film, but they're still getting the hang of video games. They still need time to find a videogame-to-film "formula" that works. 

With all that said...

but the carboard-looking armour in that photo is an instant 'off' button. Sure, the model is rather easy on the eyes, and I've no doubt of their good intentions, but I don't see this working.

Besides, concerning the voice, she simply says "it will be the original voice from Gideon Emery", not that Gideon Emery is actually voicing the film. I doubt she has the funds for it, and, unless she knows him personally and/or he owes her a favour, I don't see him participating in a random fan project for free. It's entirely possible that she's simply using/rearranging his lines from DA, FFXII and/or films he's been in. It's been done before.


Do you expect a not-for-profit fan-made video to have the budget and effects of a Hollywood video? You never know, it could turn out to be decent or entertaining in its own right. Who knows? Maybe she got Gideon Emery to help out the way Dahlialynn to help with her Machinima, or maybe she'll use his pre-recorded lines well. Give it a chance.

#53620
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Faerunner wrote...

Just because a high quality film adaptation of a video game hasn't been made yet doesn't mean it isn't going to happen. Trial and error is how people improve and progress. Nothing can be obtained by people quitting just because the first tries weren't perfect.

Besides, you know this onslaught of high-quality, high-budget film adaptations of superhero comics we've seen over the last decade? Only occured after decades of crappy superhero movies and the occasional "It's good, but still cheesy, corny, for kids and for nerds" attitude toward films like the 1970's Superman and Tim Burton Batman series. By the 1990's, most comic book movies were seen as a complete joke until Marvel took risks with and finally figured out how to make high-quality, mainstream comic movies with Blade, the X-Men and Spiderman series. Do you think we'd have such masterpieces as Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight Saga or the Avengers without Marvel and Hollywood's innovation back when success would have been seen as unlikely?

Books, comics and video games are all different from and difficult to adapt to film, yet books and comics have been around much longer than video games. Filmmakers have had literally a century to learn how to adapt books to film and decades to adapt comics to film, but they're still getting the hang of video games. They still need time to find a videogame-to-film "formula" that works. 


Except that books/comics and videogames are fundamentally different types of media. A major part of the appeal of a videogame, and particularly if it's an RPG, is player agency. Getting your hands on the controls, whether it's to run around, kill things, choose dialogue, browse through menus, whatever. That's something which does not exist in a novel or in a comic book, where the author is in full control of the story, the environment and the characters. At no point in a book or in a comic are you interacting with the world it's describing, apart from imagining how characters look or sound. At no point are you asked to make a decision or to provide input (except if it's a "choose your story" type of thing, but has this kind of book ever been adapted?). This makes it easier to make the transition from a book/comic to a film. Not saying it's self-evident or actually easy, because you still have to prune things and make events cinematic and more condensed, but it's easier than with a videogame. There's also the fact that, in most videogames, once you remove the player agency, you're left with a story that's, well...just not all that good. And since on a screen, you're essentially getting all story...

Is it impossible to make a successful transition from a videogame to a film? I don't know, but so far, the prognosis is rather pessimistic, in my eyes.

Do you expect a not-for-profit fan-made video to have the budget and effects of a Hollywood video? You never know, it could turn out to be decent or entertaining in its own right. Who knows? Maybe she got Gideon Emery to help out the way Dahlialynn to help with her Machinima, or maybe she'll use his pre-recorded lines well. Give it a chance.


I don't, which is why I'm sceptical as to the actual involvement of Gideon Emery. That said, I've never heard of Dahlialynn's Machinima before, and hey, who knows? Maybe this person DOES actually know him IRL. All I'm saying is that it seems unlikely at first glance. And that what I've seen/read thus far about the project isn't selling it to me. 'Course, if it becomes the next big hit in the DA community, and I suddenly start hearing nothing but rave reviews about it, then I'll gladly take a look and, if I like it, admit I was wrong.

Modifié par Nilfalasiel, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:18 .


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It's not about right or wrong. Either it will appeal to you or it won't. It's not really an issue. This person taking on this project makes no difference to someone not interested in that style of media for a new spin on the DA fandom. It's ok not to like something, as I'm sure others might. Even if it got rave reviews, you still might not like it, and that is fine. I still do not see any issue with someone making this, if they so choose.

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coldwetn0se wrote...

It's not about right or wrong. Either it will appeal to you or it won't. It's not really an issue. This person taking on this project makes no difference to someone not interested in that style of media for a new spin on the DA fandom. It's ok not to like something, as I'm sure others might. Even if it got rave reviews, you still might not like it, and that is fine. I still do not see any issue with someone making this, if they so choose.


Lol, there isn't an issue. Just because I don't think videogames can be successfully adapted into film doesn't mean that people can't do whatever they like. It was just an opinion, sorry if I stepped on toes.

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I don't see any issues with her making it, and I don't see any point where anyone implied anything but their own personal view of whether they would like it or not. Personally, I think her art is amazing, and the Fen model isn't bad looking. It looks pretty, but I am with Nilf in that low budget works and 'fan movies" usually are not my cup of tea. Didn't watch the actual web series about Tallis either.

Also, I worry slightly about anyone willing to portray "their" Fenris. Fenris has some very... passionate fans and people on the internet are not always the kindest. I would hate to see her first(??) foray into the movie world happen with characters that could open up to much negative feedback. I mean at least with Felicia Day/Tallis it was an original character and plot line, no one could actually lash out because Tallis wasn't what "they thought she would be", with Fenris I am sure there would be many fans just happy to see some Fen related art going out. Others though... oh well gotta risk it to win it I guess.

Still this brings me back to copyright issues. I though Felicia Day was given the okay because she wasn't taking anything from the game but lore.I would think that using DA characters in creating a web show would need an okay from Bioware? Or does it just need a disclaimer?

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I dug through the comments of the picture, and at some point she said she will paste together Fenris' lines. So no Gideon Emery actually recording for the video.

Thanks for the heads up, aldy. The picture does look pretty good, so the movie might turn out to be entertaining as well. ;)

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I wonder if Fenris showed him how to do the puppy eyes?