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[MissRedZelda]

Ah, I see what you're saying. Personally, I blame Arl Eamon for pushing the King duty on Alistair. For some reason, that guy seems obsessed with keeping the Theiran blood on the throne. Did anyone else get the feeling he was planning on being the real power behind the throne, with Alistair on the throne as a puppet?

I still love Alistair, though. Probably because his funny and charming side reminds we a hell of a lot of my own boyfriend.

He's even admitted that he would go gay for Gideon Emery's voice. XD

[ReddInTheCities]

MissRedZelda wrote...

He's even admitted that he would go gay for Gideon Emery's voice. XD

Wish I could get my husband to admit that!

He's currently a fanfic widower, so that probably isn't helping.

[MissRedZelda]

Plus, there's that screeching harpy of a wife he has. I think I hated her more that Eamon, and that's saying something. One thing I love about the DA characters is that they all have flaws, but most of them are very likable too (aside from Justice!Anders, but that's another can of worms).

Fenris is a good example. I fond that him, Varric and Merrill all had great stories behind them. Even Isabela was interesting if you get to know her.

To be honest, I was kinda joking about the thing with Eamon. But you're right, it is questionable why now he suddenly wants something to do with Alistair. 

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 07 février 2013 - 12:48 .

[Flemmy]

Maybe Eamon is afraid to loose he's power and land (castle of redcliff) because of a new king that doesn't know him. And that king would promise he's land to someone else, so... therefor too secure he's own land. Well... we could only speculate.

but know we of topic...:happy:

Modifié par Flemmy, 08 février 2013 - 05:09 .

[Amirit]

Never understood blaming Arl Eamon for anything. Typical Noble man of that time - and a good one, real "noble". He dared to go against king's will by marrying orlesian girl, he was loyal to his king in the most grim times, he did not throw away a little bastard who was a great inconvenience to everyone, etc.
And he explained perfectly well why he needed Alistair to claim the throne. Yet, he was totally agree to put Anora on the throne well aware about personal problems he would get with it.

(On a more related topic - I remember someone mentioned once that Fenris is similar to some companion in NeverWinterNights. In one of the expantion. Can someone kindly tell me who is this companion?)

[Amirit]

Thank you, Faerunner!
Was he really like that?! There are ... well... a bit too much similarity. Well, I guess we can see Fenris as an apix of evolution of that archetype then.

[Sylvanpyxie]

There are ... well... a bit too much similarity.

You can reduce anything to base components and make it appear identical to most things. There are radical differences between Valen and Fenris (and, in my opinion, Valen is superior to most of Bioware's other characters).

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 10 février 2013 - 03:03 .

[MissRedZelda]

 So wait, you're joking about disliking Eamon and Isolde, blaming him for Alistair's decision-making, etc?

No, no. I honestly hate Eamon and Isolde. I mean, I was joking about suspecting that Eamon was secretly trying to take over the real power of the throne behind Alistair's back. I blame Eamon compleatly for practically forcing the throne on Alistair.

[Amirit]

You can reduce anything to base components and make it appear identical to most things.

True. Still, description looks totally identical. A bit more then just an archetype.
It is interesting,though, that all prototypes are from NWN, not BG. How did I miss that game years ago?...

P.S. Arl Eamon was forcing Alistair to claim the throne, not to sit on it. That is a big difference. And claiming was necessary.

Modifié par Amirit, 10 février 2013 - 04:47 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

Still, description looks totally identical.

And yet, they are vastly different.

If you haven't played Neverwinter Nights and it's expansions, I would advise you keep an eye out for a cheap copy. Though the Original Campaign is somewhat lacking (in my opinion), the expansions are certainly interesting and the characters from Hordes of the Underdark are some of Bioware's best.

[Dutchess]

A new page and still no Fenris! This should be remedied:


morovv

Fresh from my inbox!

[aldien]

ReddInTheCities wrote...

 Thanks for the welcome!

Feast your eyes upon this gem I stumbled upon on dA today (linked for sexiness). It's by an artist called magicdrusilla.

My friend linked it to me this morning. WOW was it one hell of a way to wake up!

Ren, what's that doing in your inbox? How come Fenris isn't in mine?

Maker's holy boxer shorts. Yes, downloaded and backed up. What a beautful ummmm..... pose. Thank you, ReddInTheCities for sharing!!! No, seriously, my eyelid movies are in overdrive.

Ahhh now I have to take a picture of the mug. Ren. Moosey shall oblige. He loves having his photo taken.

Everyone will hate this, but personally I think Anora called most things as they were. Alistair, a puppet on the throne, Check!. Her father killed her husband. Check! Putting a Grey Warden on the throne will look biased. Check!

Considering all the nobles became suspicious of the GW and had to be persuaded by Anora that it was her father behind the deciet, they could have easily been convinced that the warden was putting Alistair on the throne to further the GW's interest. The ridiculous notion of it all, is that a hundred or less GW's would have turned on the king to gain.... what exactly? The Orlesian wardens were not there and if the GW's had conspired against the king, Loghain could have easily taken them down through sheer numbers. Everyone at the Landsmeet must have seen it for what it was. Every noble was too damn scared to stand up to Loghain without having the queen's support to back them up. They wanted to keep their status. That was always a plothole to me. It was stretching the imagination. But... if you were a noble and believed Anora was going to remain queen then you would have supported her decision. It's Eamon who comes in quickly and announces Alistair as king once Loghain is killed. It's all a political game. Alistair, even hardened, doesn't have a clue. He wants it, but it's Eamon and the warden who decide whether he is king or not. Eamon only leaves if the warden becomes chancellor. He knows then that his word is going to be trumped by the warden, especially if the warden is Alistair's lover. Sorry, but smexy time always wins over annoying old guy. Well, that's my shady opinion.

Modifié par aldien, 12 février 2013 - 12:23 .

[maymay1588]

Well after getting bored and overcoming my fear of messing with Skyrim elves, I now want to slap myself for not doing it sooner.

*Swoons*

Modifié par maymay1588, 12 février 2013 - 02:09 .

[coldwetn0se]

@Ren - lovely pic find, as always. I rely on you for ALL my most favorite Fenart. Kudos!

@Aldy - no idea what you are saying right now...the Prosecco has gone to my eyes, and all I see is "pops" and "fizzes" from here. But I still love ya!!

@maymay - that is a VERY Fenrisy elf you made thar......bravo! More?

@everyone else having ACTUAL DA convo's......ummm....let me get back to you. Busy. Staring at Fenris pics/art.....yum. XD (......i'm so shallow....)

[Dutchess]

@ aldy: why, obviously because you're not following morovv on Deviant Art.

@ maymay: wow, I can't even tell that's in Skyrim anymore. Looks so great. I'm going to go back to playing Skyrim soon so that I can test my Fenris follower.

@ cold: thanks! Always a pleasure to bring pretty pics to the thread. Not that I can take any credit for the prettiness of said pics. xD I just hunt them down, haha.


About Eamon - Alistair: no doubt that Eamon has political intentions when he hammers on Alistair having to become king, but I don't think he doesn't care about Alistair at all on a personal level. It seems like Isolde pretty much forced him to send Alistair away. Of course it was still Eamon's decision, and I agree that he could have treated Alistair a lot better. But he does repair and keep the medaillon that Alistair smashed in his anger. I think that goes beyond the calculated idea of "I could use him later".

[Amirit]

We do not have to think here, we can use known facts - not a single phase (too many of them are disconnected from the game events, this is why we have Dialog Fixes). And the facts are: to get rid of Loghain we needed a Landsmit, in order to get Landsmit throne had to be claimed. Later on if you are going to marry Alistair to Anora or put only Anora on the throne Arl Eamon will totally support both ideas.

Sure he would like to see Marik's blood-line on the throne, he is a noble. And he does understand that it decreases the chances of civil war. But he is ready to accept Anora - that at least will delay that civil war.

Btw, should Arl Eamon leave the moment Alistair become a king - THAT would be a treason and a horrible thing to do to Alistair, who has no clue how to rule. This is why Arl stays, until he is sure the king is the king now.

Actually, what game is lacking here is a reminder of GW duties. Something or someone that openly says GW can not be a king. Because there is nothing in game that says otherwise. On contrary - we have a country where GW rule, we have Amaranty, where our GW will rule, so, it looks like there is no problem here.

Modifié par Amirit, 12 février 2013 - 07:30 .

[maymay1588]

@coldwetn0se: Thanks I won't bombard the thread anymore with Sky-Fenris though
You can go to my deviantart page to see more. I'm uploading them there.

http://ranye1008.deviantart.com/

@renjility; I've been tweaking my ENB settings and holy crap they make the game so realistic. I can't play it without it anymore.

Now to the discussion, I thought it was very douchey how he neglected Alistair, but who knows, maybe he wanted Alistair to take charge of his life instead of being babied all of it. He might have believed that Alistair needed to find strength within himself and realize the significance of support from the people that help him along the way if he ever was going to be a successful leader when the time came verses a pampered noble who knows nothing of the hardships and struggles of the people. I could be thinking too much into it though.

[coldwetn0se]

maymay1588 wrote...

@coldwetn0se: Thanks I won't bombard the thread anymore with Sky-Fenris though
You can go to my deviantart page to see more. I'm uploading them there.

http://ranye1008.deviantart.com/

@renjility; I've been tweaking my ENB settings and holy crap they make the game so realistic. I can't play it without it anymore.

Now to the discussion, I thought it was very douchey how he neglected Alistair, but who knows, maybe he wanted Alistair to take charge of his life instead of being babied all of it. He might have believed that Alistair needed to find strength within himself and realize the significance of support from the people that help him along the way if he ever was going to be a successful leader when the time came verses a pampered noble who knows nothing of the hardships and struggles of the people. I could be thinking too much into it though.

Well, fine.  Make me click on links....*grumble*

The first two times I ever played DAO, I didn't harden Alistair (rimshot!......but seriously.....).  So Eamon being the "guiding hand" for Alistair (since I helped make him king) seemed to make sense to me. Though I honestly wanted to throttle the mans wife, something fierce. Now, if I make Alistair king, I always harden him.  For some reason, this makes things look different to me.  The things Eamon says when pushing for Alistair seem more self-serving.  This isn't to suggest that I see him as a bad person. Even before Alistair was considered for king, Loghain was setting about to bring Eamon down.  This is going to have an impact on his views of Loghain, the throne, and general Fereldan politics. Plus, I do consider him repairing and keeping the locket for Alistair.  I don't think it was some part of a mastermind plot, on Eamon's part.  He is complex, like people generally are.  He has some heart, some fear, some ambition, and he does still hold to the "nobility" mentality. 

[mnomaha]

Dang it. I really need to find the conflict so I can play with SkyFen.

I really don't like Eamon. There's a difference between being a "guiding hand" and having someone sleep in the barn. Of course, a lot of that is probably that cow Isolde. It's probably just me, but I can't get past that part.

[coldwetn0se]

mnomaha wrote...

Dang it. I really need to find the conflict so I can play with SkyFen.

I really don't like Eamon. There's a difference between being a "guiding hand" and having someone sleep in the barn. Of course, a lot of that is probably that cow Isolde. It's probably just me, but I can't get past that part.

You are not wrong there, however in those first two play throughs I did, I never got the dialogue about Alistair sleeping in the barn either.  So from my perspective, Eamon's character was different than in later play throughs.  I suppose what that means to me then, is one can RP their character(s) feelings towards him differently, if things play out in a particular manner (for me it was an unhardened Alistair being made king, and not having those "barn" convos....for example).