Dealing with demons and Blood Magic I liken to the use of Alchemy in Fullmetal Alchemist: equivalent exchange. To gain something, you must give something of equal amount in return. Sometimes, the price can just be too steep. Also, we know the use of Blood Magic in Tevintar through Fenris. Though, I guess you could call that hearsay, but I don't think Fenris would lie about something like that.
You know, I always wandered how the Hawkes were able to avoid detection from the Templars. Especially when you play as a mage Hawke. Three mages in hiding must be risky.
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Posté 09 août 2013 - 07:09
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Also, we know the use of Blood Magic in Tevintar through Fenris.
Which is still hearsay because we're hearing about Tevinter from what he says, not firsthand experience ourselves.
Also, just because WE know it doesn't mean everyone does. My point is most people don't say, "Ugh, Tevinter is terrible! I hated it there!" They spout what they know based on what other people say or write. Whether or not it's accurate, it's still second-hand.
It's the same with the Dalish. Most city elves don't know anything about them firsthand, just what humans and people who've met them have said. Since most Andrastians are prejudiced against them for worshipping their own gods, and relations between the Dalish and Andrastians are rocky, those who meet them give negative stories, which trickle back into the alienages, where city elves' opinions of them are poisoned further.
See above.Though, I guess you could call that hearsay, but I don't think Fenris would lie about something like that.
Didn't they pick a small and scarcely populated town for that reason?You know, I always wandered how the Hawkes were able to avoid detection from the Templars. Especially when you play as a mage Hawke. Three mages in hiding must be risky.
Plus, it's not like they're hiding in someone's basement. The Templars can't tell if someone's a mage on sight alone, so I personally don't see much of a difference between one and ten, since they're all passing as ordinary citizens anyway. (I mean, no one realizes Huon's wife was a mage, even after he had been exposed and imprisoned for years. She just kept carrying on like a normal person and no one was the wiser.)
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Posté 09 août 2013 - 12:05
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MissRedZelda wrote...
You know, I always wandered how the Hawkes were able to avoid detection from the Templars. Especially when you play as a mage Hawke. Three mages in hiding must be risky.
Actually, I read somewhere that it was never intended that they should be able to roam the city and countryside at their leisure; they were going to make a story out of it and capture one of the Hawkes (Bethany or PC) or something but that it got cut like so many other things because of a pressed deadline. So the reason we all wonder is, in fact, because it was never meant to be possible without reprecussions.
Oh, and I should state that I almost always play an elven mage so I'm sort of 50/50 on who I think get's the worst of the oppression
As Faerunner said, plenty of it to go around Jokes aside, I think everyone has it's really hard in this game, humans, elves and mages. While playing I got so frustrated and angry that I couldn't do more for the people I met: help the runaway mages truly escape the Kirkwall Circle; prevent Marethari from dying and get Merrill back on good terms with her clan; hell, I couldn't even save my own mother from a demented serial killer! That feeling of powerlessness was everywhere and left me heartbroken at times.
I swear David Gaider, the Bringer of Tears, had a finger in it.
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Posté 09 août 2013 - 04:14
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David Gaider thrives on the delicious tears of the Dragon Age fans.
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Posté 11 août 2013 - 12:48
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This tattoo made me immediately think of Fenris.
http://www.deviantar...-last-391937442
http://www.deviantar...-last-391937442
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Posté 12 août 2013 - 02:24
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hobbit_of_the_shire wrote...
This tattoo made me immediately think of Fenris.
http://www.deviantar...-last-391937442
To bad it's not a bit of lightblue in the tattoo too.
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Posté 17 août 2013 - 05:58
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Ahahahaha.. aaaah this is why I could never romance anyone but Fenris. All the feeeeeeels when Isabela and him start to... talk...thats1evildude wrote...
This is pretty cute.
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Posté 24 août 2013 - 01:56
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http://fc09.devianta...imo-d3ign4w.jpg
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Some Fenris art hope you like it and that it have not been posted before.
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Some Fenris art hope you like it and that it have not been posted before.
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Posté 28 août 2013 - 09:02
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Was it posted already?
http://bloodredflami...is-is-a-fennec.
http://bloodredflami...is-is-a-fennec.
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Hi, guys!
We love Fenris, right? But Zevran wins - http://social.biowar...04/polls/47035/
Shoud we change this?
I love Fenris!<3
We love Fenris, right? But Zevran wins - http://social.biowar...04/polls/47035/
Shoud we change this?
I love Fenris!<3
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Posté 30 août 2013 - 12:32
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Ellanya wrote...
Hi, guys!
We love Fenris, right? But Zevran wins - http://social.biowar...04/polls/47035/
Shoud we change this?
I love Fenris!<3
I think the issue at hand is that while so many have played Dragon Age Origins, a lot of people were disappointed with DA2 and so gave up halfway and never finished the game. This means they never got to the point where we, the completers, are now, meaning they never realised that the Fenris romance is so fantastic and brilliant and heartbreaking and rewarding.
All wrapped in the nice package that is Broody McSmoulder, fiery breaker of hearts
PS: Of course we should change this *voted*
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Posté 02 septembre 2013 - 07:46
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The poll - or more precisely the comments to the poll - got me thinking. Do people really think Fenris whines? Is it so hard to imagine, to truly picture in your minds eye meeting someone who tells you he's on the run from a man who for the last many years has held him as a slave and now wants to either kill him or worse? Do people really have that hard a time seeing the man before them, telling you his story and asking you for help that they aren't able to feel any shred of sympathy or pity for him?
To me he was the first of the characters I truly felt compelled to keep in my party. And no, ladies, it wasn't his looks that swayed me; I was less than fond of his features at first (I actually looked around a bit for a mod to make him look less elvish - thank the Maker I didn't find one). But his whole backstory and the concept of helping out someone who was desperately in need of aid was really appealing to me and made me decide there and then that if this guy was a potential companion, I wanted him around. Don't get me wrong, I loved helping Varric with the Deep Roads expedition and aiding Aveline at her flailing attempts at wooing Donnic but this Fenris fellow, he had actual slavers on his heels trying to capture him in the -Free Marches-? And no one to stand by his side and take up arms against this appaling injustice? Oh the irony. How could I ever look myself in the mirror if I did not pick up my staff and lend him my powers?
To me he was the first of the characters I truly felt compelled to keep in my party. And no, ladies, it wasn't his looks that swayed me; I was less than fond of his features at first (I actually looked around a bit for a mod to make him look less elvish - thank the Maker I didn't find one). But his whole backstory and the concept of helping out someone who was desperately in need of aid was really appealing to me and made me decide there and then that if this guy was a potential companion, I wanted him around. Don't get me wrong, I loved helping Varric with the Deep Roads expedition and aiding Aveline at her flailing attempts at wooing Donnic but this Fenris fellow, he had actual slavers on his heels trying to capture him in the -Free Marches-? And no one to stand by his side and take up arms against this appaling injustice? Oh the irony. How could I ever look myself in the mirror if I did not pick up my staff and lend him my powers?
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In my experience people simply do not think when they label someone. They use the first word that comes to their minds no matter if it fits or not. A single hint of dissatisfaction with something (justified or not) - and the person is "whiny".
So, instead of saying something like "Zevran is more cheerful and easy" they say "Fenris is whiny". Bleh.
On a side note. Recently I started to play GW2 again. And this time happen to roll a silvary (before I could not came up with a good character concept). Imaging my surprise when I realized half of NPS in the starting area VO by Gideon Emery! (3 key story character with a lot of dialogs and many one-two-several liners around) It's like Fenrises heaven!
So, instead of saying something like "Zevran is more cheerful and easy" they say "Fenris is whiny". Bleh.
On a side note. Recently I started to play GW2 again. And this time happen to roll a silvary (before I could not came up with a good character concept). Imaging my surprise when I realized half of NPS in the starting area VO by Gideon Emery! (3 key story character with a lot of dialogs and many one-two-several liners around) It's like Fenrises heaven!
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Hahaha I had the same experience, albeit on a smaller scale when I played Assassins Creed 3. One of the first characters you meet in the theatre is voiced by Gideon Emery and it was all I could do to contain my snickering. Ah, the joy of a really great voice actor.
Regarding the labeling, yes I agree, people just don't think very far. But I also think there's a tendency to jumping the gun more often when it's something negative and a greater likeliness to 'brand' someone a whiner, a crybaby, a coward, a nuisance. We get annoyed a lot faster, it seems, and we don't have the patience nor the desire to understand issues if we have to do more than scratch at the surface.
That's why, I think, a lot of people prefer Zevran to Fenris. Yes, Zevran has a dark story, too, his whole backstory revolving around Taliesin and Rinna is pretty horrid, but it is easily overlooked if you don't go into it. I loved that part of his lore and felt it was a great way to get to know him but apparently a lot of other players don't think much of this bit of info on him. And if you disregard this, I can cartainly understand how they'd prefer Zevran as he is light-hearted and funny and generally good fun to be around. I just prefer to explore the full depth of my companions and when you do, I think Fenris has more to offer.
(Disclaimer: I absolutely loved Zevran, when I played DAO. He is one of my favourite companions and I would totally have tapped him on a strictly sexual basis if I hadn't been heads over heels for Alistair).
Regarding the labeling, yes I agree, people just don't think very far. But I also think there's a tendency to jumping the gun more often when it's something negative and a greater likeliness to 'brand' someone a whiner, a crybaby, a coward, a nuisance. We get annoyed a lot faster, it seems, and we don't have the patience nor the desire to understand issues if we have to do more than scratch at the surface.
That's why, I think, a lot of people prefer Zevran to Fenris. Yes, Zevran has a dark story, too, his whole backstory revolving around Taliesin and Rinna is pretty horrid, but it is easily overlooked if you don't go into it. I loved that part of his lore and felt it was a great way to get to know him but apparently a lot of other players don't think much of this bit of info on him. And if you disregard this, I can cartainly understand how they'd prefer Zevran as he is light-hearted and funny and generally good fun to be around. I just prefer to explore the full depth of my companions and when you do, I think Fenris has more to offer.
(Disclaimer: I absolutely loved Zevran, when I played DAO. He is one of my favourite companions and I would totally have tapped him on a strictly sexual basis if I hadn't been heads over heels for Alistair).
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Sorry to interrupt! I'm on a campaign for Fenris to make either a cameo or appear in DLC for Inquisition.
Lots of Fenris hate on this thread. It'd be great to see some fan love.
Lots of Fenris hate on this thread. It'd be great to see some fan love.
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Posté 04 septembre 2013 - 04:58
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I too find it interesting how Fenris is labeled. I was one of those players who honestly did not expect my Warden to show up in DA2, nor did I expect the same game as DAO. Probably was a big help, since that made enjoying the game much easier, warts and all (btw, I think most games have warts, just depends on how it was put together, and what my expectations are...and yes, I fully admit my expectations can most certainly come into play).
The only thing about DA2 I knew ahead of time, was that Anders was to make a return. I found him fun and likeable, in DAA, so I had somewhat made the assumption that I would romance him. I met Anders first, due to how I took on the quests, and I remember making a face. This isn't me bashing Anders....you remember those player expectations I mentioned before?? LOL! The voice was wrong, the appearance was wrong, and his personality seemed....different. Kept playing the game, and was honestly unsure who my newly made Hawke's heart, would double-time it for. I was still considering Anders, thought Varric was interesting, even had a soft spot for Aveline (didn't know at the time, neither of them was romanceable)
Then I picked up the Bait and Switch quest (which I almost missed...didn't know to check "mail", at Gamlen's). "Your men are dead." As soon as I heard that voice, I went boneless. It was so noticeable, that my husband, who was watching me play said, "He's your 'guy', isn't he." (said the same thing when I first heard/saw Thane in ME2. heh!). Yup! I was done...done like dinner. So of course, I wanted to know everything about him. That doesn't mean I went online and read up on him. No. In the game, I had my Hawke ask him everything. She brought him along on every quest (so yes, it took me until literally the very end of Act2, to max him out on friendship).
I found him complex, and simple at the same time. He had a torturous background, and was not acclimating with any great ease. Yet, he tried. Each act I saw something new emerge. A bit more confidence, a tad more humor, slightly more at ease with the other companions. Change. And THAT was interesting.
Yes, he left my Hawke after their night of passion. hehe...I thought I had messed up. But, at that point I wasn't interested in anyone else, so.... *shrug* By the time his Act3 personal quest came around, and Danarius was another stain on the Hangman's floor, I felt completely confident that my Hawke's relationship with him, would recommence. The final goodbye, which to me was NOT goodbye, in the Gallows, felt wholly satisfying. And let's face it: he has one of the best pixelated kisses, I have ever seen. XD
I adore his character, even when I play a Mage. Even when I rival him. Hell; even when I don't romance him at all (which admittedly doesn't happen often). I am in my 40's and have been with the same man for almost 26 years. Fenris had that appeal that my own husband has to me. No, they are hardly some sort of strange "real life", "pixelated" mirror image. Not even. But, the feeling of a character that can be deep, dedicated, complex AND simple, seemed familiar. Made me believe that my Hawke's had truly found their soul mate.
Until Sadsack Hawke came along....LOL XD XD But that....is another story.
I find Fenris sympathetic, yet I don't feel sorry for him. Why? Because he figures out what he needs. What he must do. Yes he suffers, but suffering doesn't inherently mean he is incapable of figuring things out. That he is damaged to the point of no return, or that he need someone to "fix" him. It is why I admire him, and enjoy his character so much. Gotta love the fact that all the characters in DA have been so diverse (whether people recognize this or not).
So do I hope he makes a cameo in DA:I? Yeah....with some trepidation. I like that he has shown that he is capable of making a life for himself, and has (at least in many of my play throughs) found love. I hope that continues to be the case, should they bring him back for a short stint in the next game. I really hope it does. And that......is all she wrote.
The only thing about DA2 I knew ahead of time, was that Anders was to make a return. I found him fun and likeable, in DAA, so I had somewhat made the assumption that I would romance him. I met Anders first, due to how I took on the quests, and I remember making a face. This isn't me bashing Anders....you remember those player expectations I mentioned before?? LOL! The voice was wrong, the appearance was wrong, and his personality seemed....different. Kept playing the game, and was honestly unsure who my newly made Hawke's heart, would double-time it for. I was still considering Anders, thought Varric was interesting, even had a soft spot for Aveline (didn't know at the time, neither of them was romanceable)
Then I picked up the Bait and Switch quest (which I almost missed...didn't know to check "mail", at Gamlen's). "Your men are dead." As soon as I heard that voice, I went boneless. It was so noticeable, that my husband, who was watching me play said, "He's your 'guy', isn't he." (said the same thing when I first heard/saw Thane in ME2. heh!). Yup! I was done...done like dinner. So of course, I wanted to know everything about him. That doesn't mean I went online and read up on him. No. In the game, I had my Hawke ask him everything. She brought him along on every quest (so yes, it took me until literally the very end of Act2, to max him out on friendship).
I found him complex, and simple at the same time. He had a torturous background, and was not acclimating with any great ease. Yet, he tried. Each act I saw something new emerge. A bit more confidence, a tad more humor, slightly more at ease with the other companions. Change. And THAT was interesting.
Yes, he left my Hawke after their night of passion. hehe...I thought I had messed up. But, at that point I wasn't interested in anyone else, so.... *shrug* By the time his Act3 personal quest came around, and Danarius was another stain on the Hangman's floor, I felt completely confident that my Hawke's relationship with him, would recommence. The final goodbye, which to me was NOT goodbye, in the Gallows, felt wholly satisfying. And let's face it: he has one of the best pixelated kisses, I have ever seen. XD
I adore his character, even when I play a Mage. Even when I rival him. Hell; even when I don't romance him at all (which admittedly doesn't happen often). I am in my 40's and have been with the same man for almost 26 years. Fenris had that appeal that my own husband has to me. No, they are hardly some sort of strange "real life", "pixelated" mirror image. Not even. But, the feeling of a character that can be deep, dedicated, complex AND simple, seemed familiar. Made me believe that my Hawke's had truly found their soul mate.
Until Sadsack Hawke came along....LOL XD XD But that....is another story.
I find Fenris sympathetic, yet I don't feel sorry for him. Why? Because he figures out what he needs. What he must do. Yes he suffers, but suffering doesn't inherently mean he is incapable of figuring things out. That he is damaged to the point of no return, or that he need someone to "fix" him. It is why I admire him, and enjoy his character so much. Gotta love the fact that all the characters in DA have been so diverse (whether people recognize this or not).
So do I hope he makes a cameo in DA:I? Yeah....with some trepidation. I like that he has shown that he is capable of making a life for himself, and has (at least in many of my play throughs) found love. I hope that continues to be the case, should they bring him back for a short stint in the next game. I really hope it does. And that......is all she wrote.
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Posté 04 septembre 2013 - 11:22
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Trista Hawke wrote...
Sorry to interrupt! I'm on a campaign for Fenris to make either a cameo or appear in DLC for Inquisition.
Lots of Fenris hate on this thread. It'd be great to see some fan love.
You are talking about people who killed Leliana in DAO just for fun. Same lot is always requesting an option "to kill all companions at wim". They are not even haters, just generally damaged. Ignore them. As you can see those who have some senses are all for cameo or against it but for a good reason (not out of character hate).
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^^^ I completely agree.
Do you guys want to see him show back up in DAI?
Do you guys want to see him show back up in DAI?
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Also, regarding my DAI thread for bringing Fenris back, I have to point out that it's painfully obvious that most (not all) of the users who "hated" him were dudes. Very unsurprising.
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Posté 04 septembre 2013 - 04:10
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Trista Hawke wrote...
^^^ I completely agree.
Do you guys want to see him show back up in DAI?
Hmm... only if he's still with Hawke. And NO bugs, so he doesn't hit on my Inquisitor the way Zevran did (even though Zevran and my Warden were supposedly together).
Fenris is my favorite character ever, so I'm pretty protective of him... but it's not like I wrote him, so I'd have to trust his own writers to know how best to handle him. *twiddles thumbs nervously*
And also I'd like to see him following through on his development from DA2. If he shows up and is just a mage-hating jerk, I'll be furious. Fenris at the end of MY game was still afraid of mages, didn't trust them, but understood that not all mages were inherently evil or power hungry. He trusted Hawke to be there for him, and he accepted that Hawke's sister was a mage and that Hawke supported mages. He was still in the process of healing from his past life, and may never fully recover (how can he), but he was finding strength and peace.
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Yeah moto, this is how I feel, too. I don't want him coming back after a long time being the same (or *shudder* worse!); I'd like to see that the time spent with my PC and all the talks we had weren't for nothing.
What I -would- like is to see him lead a slave rebellion in Tevinter against the Magisters who kept slaves and killed for blood magic. But not in a revenge capacity, though, I'd like it to be in the tentative spirit of what Anders did for the mages. He should do it to aid others, not as a chance to rage and slay a lot of magisters.
Oh, and if he comes back, I'd like to see him smile. The smile he sends you on the Wounded Coast during Act of Mercy when you say you'd "like to avoid unnecessary bloodshed" (or something to that effect) can melt solid steel! Need I say it's my most played quest?
What I -would- like is to see him lead a slave rebellion in Tevinter against the Magisters who kept slaves and killed for blood magic. But not in a revenge capacity, though, I'd like it to be in the tentative spirit of what Anders did for the mages. He should do it to aid others, not as a chance to rage and slay a lot of magisters.
Oh, and if he comes back, I'd like to see him smile. The smile he sends you on the Wounded Coast during Act of Mercy when you say you'd "like to avoid unnecessary bloodshed" (or something to that effect) can melt solid steel! Need I say it's my most played quest?
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dracuella wrote...
Oh, and if he comes back, I'd like to see him smile. The smile he sends you on the Wounded Coast during Act of Mercy when you say you'd "like to avoid unnecessary bloodshed" (or something to that effect) can melt solid steel! Need I say it's my most played quest?
Wait -- WHAT?! When is this? Is this when you're first talking to Thrask before entering the cave? I always get Anders' creepy smile LOL Dang it!!
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Posté 10 septembre 2013 - 06:40
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Wait -- WHAT?! When is this? Is this when you're first talking to Thrask before entering the cave? I always get Anders' creepy smile LOL Dang it!!
I've played it again and it seems if you bring Anders, he supersedes the Fenris action. Fenris will do the same smile as Anders if Anders is not around and it looks SO much better on him *omgmelts*. I have savegames from nearly every quest (and sometimes extras in between) so I go back and replay a lot of scenes. This is one of my favourites
PS: sorry for the late answer, I was away since Thursday
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