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[Xilizhra]

He wants to be a martyr, a symbol of mages freedom, and he wants Justice free. From what i know, first and last part requires death.

Not really. He's actually quite happy if you spare him and bring him with you to defend the mages.

[Ryzaki]

he's quite happy if you spare him on *friendship*. On rivalry he's pretty clear he wants to die so Justice can't harm anyone else.

[Xilizhra]

he's quite happy if you spare him on *friendship*. On rivalry he's pretty clear he wants to die so Justice can't harm anyone else.

Then feel free to ignore Fenris' line in your playthrough. I refer to it primarily on mine.

[Ryzaki]

But that quote is supposed to fit *all* of those situations. "He wants to die so I say kill him." he's reacting to Anders martyr claims after him just blowing up a church with civilians and templars alike inside it.

 

It's less about a petty vendatta at that point and more about stopping yet another dangerous mage from wrecking havoc. Where's Anders little "I thought I was the only one thinking that" was pure spite.

[Xilizhra]

But that quote is supposed to fit *all* of those situations. "He wants to die so I say kill him." he's reacting to Anders martyr claims after him just blowing up a church with civilians and templars alike inside it.

 

It's less about a petty vendatta at that point and more about stopping yet another dangerous mage from wrecking havoc. Where's Anders little "I thought I was the only one thinking that" was pure spite.

Or stopping a dangerous antimage from wreaking havoc, from his point of view.

[CuriousArtemis]

I love both Anders and Fenris; Fenris is my favorite DA character, but I very much like Anders as well! I like their relationship, and I like how it shows the nuances in their characters. Anders is a little less mature than Fenris and also far more passionate and emotional. By Act 3 their banters are still snippy, but Fenris sounds a little tired and more reasonable, whereas Anders still sounds snarky and bitter.

 

The ONLY blight is Anders' line and approval that occurs when Hawke sells back Fenris. I think that's so disgusting, and such a disgusting blight on Anders' character that I completely reject it. I never sell Fenris back anyway. I refuse to believe that Anders would be happy about selling someone... even someone he hates... back into a life of slavery. It's completely character-breaking.

[Ryzaki]

Or stopping a dangerous antimage from wreaking havoc, from his point of view.

 

What havoc had Fenris done to innocent mages to that point in act 3? (Unlike Anders who has to be STOPPED from killing an innocent mage girl?).

 

If anders is worried about people wrecking havoc he better check in his own yard.

 

@CuriousArtemis: That quote just shows to me how utterly short sighted and corrupt Anders/Justice have become without even realizing it. Anders is so INSISTENT on having it be "You're either for us having complete freedom or against it" that he doesn't realize he's becoming exactly what he's railing against. It's funny and a little sad.

[Xilizhra]

What havoc had Fenris done to innocent mages to that point in act 3? (Unlike Anders who has to be STOPPED from killing an innocent mage girl?).

 

If anders is worried about people wrecking havoc he better check in his own yard.

 

@CuriousArtemis: That quote just shows to me how utterly short sighted and corrupt Anders/Justice have become without even realizing it. Anders is so INSISTENT on having it be "You're either for us having complete freedom or against it" that he doesn't realize he's becoming exactly what he's railing against. It's funny and a little sad.

Killing two other helpless mages beforehand in Act 2. It's true that he willingly submits to Hawke's leash at other times, but Hawke won't always be there.

[renfrees]

If anything, by the time of Act3 Fenris is very sane and composed person, while Anders slips deeper and deeper into oblivion (judging from the banters and personal quests).

 

 

Killing two other helpless mages beforehand in Act 2. It's true that he willingly submits to Hawke's leash at other times, but Hawke won't always be there.

Yeah, not going to mention, that those mages tried to recapture/kill him beforehand, and one of those mages were his personal torturer for years. But its ok, they are mages, so they automatically deserve mercy in your eyes. We know your stance, Xil.

Modifié par renfrees, 21 mars 2014 - 02:44 .

[Xilizhra]

If anything, by the time of Act3 Fenris is very sane and composed person, while Anders slips deeper and deeper into oblivion (judging from the banters and personal quests).

 

 

Yeah, not going to mention, that those mages tried to recapture/kill him beforehand.

He leaves oblivion easily enough, don't worry.

[Dutchess]

Killing two other helpless mages beforehand in Act 2. It's true that he willingly submits to Hawke's leash at other times, but Hawke won't always be there.

 

LOL, what? Are you honestly referring to Hadriana and that nameless dude who told you to hand over the slave or die? Yes, poor little helpless mages. Bad Fenris. Mean Fenris!

 

1. They attacked first, with the aim to kill the people Fenris was with and drag him back to Danarius and a life of slavery.

2. Hadriana has physically and emotionally tormented and abused Fenris for years. So much, that he could not get past all that pain and humiliation even when he tried.

[Xilizhra]

LOL, what? Are you honestly referring to Hadriana and that nameless dude who told you to hand over the slave or die? Yes, poor little helpless mages. Bad Fenris. Mean Fenris!

 

1. They attacked first, with the aim to kill the people Fenris was with and drag him back to Danarius and a life of slavery.

2. Hadriana has physically and emotionally tormented and abused Fenris for years. So much, that he could not get past all that pain and humiliation even when he tried.

Forgive me, I'm against killing the helpless in general. And no, this doesn't extend to mages alone; a strangely high proportion of them in the series might be mages, but I don't kill Loghain either, for that reason.

[renfrees]

LOL, what? Are you honestly referring to Hadriana and that nameless dude who told you to hand over the slave or die? Yes, poor little helpless mages. Bad Fenris. Mean Fenris!

 

1. They attacked first, with the aim to kill the people Fenris was with and drag him back to Danarius and a life of slavery.

2. Hadriana has physically and emotionally tormented and abused Fenris for years. So much, that he could not get past all that pain and humiliation even when he tried.

Its Xil, she would justify anything mages do. Mages = good in her universe. Don't mind her much.

[Dutchess]

Forgive me, I'm against killing the helpless in general. And no, this doesn't extend to mages alone; a strangely high proportion of them in the series might be mages, but I don't kill Loghain either, for that reason.

 

Even when said "helpless" person will likely get up and attack again as soon as you let them go? Or wait for reinforcements and try to capture Fenris again? It is quite clear that they are relentless and killing them is the only way to be rid of them for good. Even after ten years Danarius doesn't get the hint and does not give up.

Also, you must have interesting playthroughs, refusing to kill anything with a sliver of health left.

 

Its Xil, she would justify anything mages do. Mages = good in her universe. Don't mind her much.

 

I see. I've been away from the Fenris thread for too long it seems.

[Xilizhra]

Even when said "helpless" person will likely get up and attack again as soon as you let them go? Or wait for reinforcements and try to capture Fenris again? It is quite clear that they are relentless and killing them is the only way to be rid of them for good. Even after ten years Danarius doesn't get the hint and does not give up.

Also, you must have interesting playthroughs, refusing to kill anything with a sliver of health left.

After beating them and their allies once already, it seems less than likely. And we know that Fenris wanted to spare Hadriana (unless that only happens on rivalry), but couldn't.

 

Sadly, I'm unable to do anything about not killing those with a sliver of health left, as they just keep attacking.

[Dutchess]

After beating them and their allies once already, it seems less than likely. And we know that Fenris wanted to spare Hadriana (unless that only happens on rivalry), but couldn't.

 

Sadly, I'm unable to do anything about not killing those with a sliver of health left, as they just keep attacking.

 

Less than likely? If you do not immediately go after Hadriana and return to Kirkwall instead, you'll walk into another ambush. More slavers trying to kill everyone and capture Fenris. Even after ten years and who-knows-how-many wasted slavers later, Danarius still doesn't give up and goes to Kirkwall himself. He wants Fenris back, and I doubt that returning empty-handed would have been an option for Hadriana. Or she would have, and then later returned AGAIN with an even larger army as back-up. Danarius will not let Fenris be, and therefore Danarius' employees will not let Fenris be.

[Ryzaki]

Killing two other helpless mages beforehand in Act 2. It's true that he willingly submits to Hawke's leash at other times, but Hawke won't always be there.

 

*spits out soda*

 

Two helpless mages? You are aware they were SLAVERS right? And he fought (and won) before said kill? or did that completely fly by you?

 

Edit: Damn Ren (both rens XD) got to it first. Seriously I know you are all "innocent widdle mages" Xili but this is ridiculous even for you.

[renfrees]

After beating them and their allies once already, it seems less than likely. And we know that Fenris wanted to spare Hadriana (unless that only happens on rivalry), but couldn't.

He wanted to let her go because he gave his word, not because he felt any pity for her. If not the word, i believe he'd feel nothing, but satisfaction from her death.

And yes, it's pretty much the same on friendship, just softer phrasing.

 

Speaking of satisfaction:

[Friera]

Ahahaha, that reminded me of this: 

 

Inujade

 

Haha, love it! Thanks.

 

YWell, I never romance Isabella. Feel like she spreads her legs for everyone. But finally I reached the banging-to-the-wall romancescene in Avt 2. I absolutly love it. I hqad to watch it ... three times.

 

Which remainds me. I cant get enough of Hawke/Fenris. Dont usually read fanfics, I need more. Does anyone have a good recommendation for maleHawke/Fenris fanfic?

[Dutchess]

Well... I have two.  The links are in my sig. Ahaha, okay, that was shameless. I'm sorry. I'm trying to think of some. 

 

I really enjoyed Coffee, Black, despite it being an alternate universe fic and I don't usually read those: http://archiveofouro...chapters/366263

 

I'm trying to come up some others, but the some of the ones I enjoyed the most have ended up abandoned. 

[renfrees]

I have one i can't seem to forget, but it's horribly tragic, so... You've been warned - http://dragonage-kin...80994#t40980994

[Dutchess]

I have one i can't seem to forget, but it's horribly tragic, so... You've been warned - http://dragonage-kin...80994#t40980994

 

Goodness, I should have taken your warning more seriously.    I had not expected something so emotional from such a short story.

[The Elder King]

Or stopping a dangerous antimage from wreaking havoc, from his point of view.

Fenris wasn't wreaking havoc though. He was going on his business. It's Danarius that continues hunting. Despite his views on mages (which I don't approve) Fenris never went on hunting innocent mages up to that point.
About sparing certain characters, would've spared Alrik if he surrendered and asked to not kill him? Because the situation isn't that different in comparison of Hadriana (possibly the other mage as well). They did horrible things to people, and even if Hadriana would stop hunting Fenris (we have no clue if it'll be true though), she'd torture other slaves.

[renfrees]

Goodness, I should have taken your warning more seriously.    I had not expected something so emotional from such a short story.

Yeah, i had not expected myself to be moved to the extent of tears with so little words, either. But it's beautiful nonetheless.

 

Another one i found bookmarked, also not too happy (coincidentally) - https://www.fanficti...He-Can-t-Afford

Modifié par renfrees, 21 mars 2014 - 12:41 .

[Xilizhra]

*spits out soda*

 

Two helpless mages? You are aware they were SLAVERS right? And he fought (and won) before said kill? or did that completely fly by you?

 

Edit: Damn Ren (both rens XD) got to it first. Seriously I know you are all "innocent widdle mages" Xili but this is ridiculous even for you.

Again, I'll also not kill Loghain despite his slaving ways.