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[Lythinae]

I've mostly avoided spoilers for DA:I so far (life has gotten in the way of my play through), except I did go looking for the cameos ...

 

There be spoiler-y comments in spoiler-y tag 

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and ohgod Hawke is making me all kinds of sad, especially with the romanced Fenris line, and how the quest can end.

 

I need fixitnow reunion fic plz

[Dutchess]

^I scoured the forums for information on how DA2's characters were handled as well (and awfully spoiled myself on other topics in the process, but eh) and I'm really unhappy with what DA:I has done to Hawke and the romance with Fenris. How Hawke's quest can end makes it even more depressing.

 

Some Fenris art to numb the pain on a new page (and because of the complaint on the previous page that more art was needed;) ):

 

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[Nightshade715]

That last artwork. Oh Maker...

[Lythinae]

^I scoured the forums for information on how DA2's characters were handled as well (and awfully spoiled myself on other topics in the process, but eh) and I'm really unhappy with what DA:I has done to Hawke and the romance with Fenris. How Hawke's quest can end makes it even more depressing.

 

Some Fenris art to numb the pain on a new page (and because of the complaint on the previous page that more art was needed;) ):

 

 

I was always hoping for closure but

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foreveralone!Hawke and what happens to poor Fenfen then?! was that def not it.  Given the Gallows scene, it's a real kick in the guts (on some level, I can actually find it kind of fitting as well, which is I think what help makes it so sad ... ETA:  don't get me wrong, I think it's an awful thing to do ... I think I mean it in the sense of 'I'll do the shitty thing so you don't have to and also so I don't have to live with one more person I care about dying)

 

And the

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Varric reaction scene if you do THAT THING is heartbreaking.

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Pretty, pretty art helps tho!  And I've got a fic idea bouncing around (my track record with finishing and posting fic is not that great tho lol ... maybe I'll get my a into g this time)

[Dutchess]

I was always hoping for closure but

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foreveralone!Hawke and what happens to poor Fenfen then?! was that def not it.  Given the Gallows scene, it's a real kick in the guts (on some level, I can actually find it kind of fitting as well, which is I think what help makes it so sad)

 

"Nothing in this world is going to keep me from you." Except Bioware and their whims, apparently. Curse you, Gaider.

 

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I know, the idea of Hawke dying in the Fade without Fenris even knowing is extremely depressing. Hawke's two stupid lines about Fenris suggest they didn't even say goodbye. It's like Hawke secretly ran away so Fenris couldn't fight by their side anymore. After everything these two have been through together, after all the fights they have survived, now Fenris risking his life for Hawke is suddenly unacceptable? While they have done that exact thing for each other many times over? So one day Fenris finds Hawke just... gone, and then Hawke never comes back. Fenris will lose his mind. And then the thought that Hawke died alone in that nightmarish realm against some disgusting monster... I feel like a loon for caring so much but I actually cried about that idea (the stream I watched with the Fade part didn't even let Hawke die, but just imaging it... gah).

 

And the

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Varric reaction scene if you do THAT THING is heartbreaking.

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Pretty, pretty art helps tho!  And I've got a fic idea bouncing around (my track record with finishing and posting fic is not that great tho lol ... maybe I'll get my a into g this time)

 

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Yes, Varric's reaction was very sad to watch too. It was the only thing handled well about the whole Hawke showing up thing.

 

Good luck with your fic. Be careful, though, Fenris and Hawke can completely take over. I started writing about them almost three years ago and it turned into a massive story that took many, many hours of typing. I'm finally finishing the very last chapter, haha.

[Lythinae]

"Nothing in this world is going to keep me from you." Except Bioware and their whims, apparently. Curse you, Gaider.

 

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Hawke's two stupid lines about Fenris suggest they didn't even say goodbye. It's like Hawke secretly ran away so Fenris couldn't fight by their side anymore. After everything these two have been through together

 

 *snip*

 

So one day Fenris finds Hawke just... gone, and then Hawke never comes back. Fenris will lose his mind.

 

 

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It's this part that gets to me more than anything.  After the way the romance starts and then the whole future together thing, Hawke just what, walks out one night without a word?  It'd have to be secret, because I don't see Fenris allowing it to happen.  

Which doesn't make me hopefully for an actual reconciliation, either.  It would have been a massive betrayal (this is the part that I get stuck on ... I could do leaving aftermath/Fenris inbetween/Hawke and Fenris in the same space again, but I'm not sure I could see much actual forgiveness happening, and that make me so sad. 

 

Like I said, I can kind of see it with a really broken Hawke (no other family left, hard core guilt tripping going on), but it's just such a selfish and cowardly thing to do and *that* part I can't get my head around.  Even the other romances don't get such a negative ending.   I kind of hope for some sort of DLC fixit, but I'm not getting my hopes up, and I'm super ****** disappointed right now

 

I'll admit, I bawled.  I'm hormonal and I've been sick and I can't control my feelings hahah.

ETA because feelings floodgate srsly.  I used 'fitting' up thread, which it's totally not.  What I can see happening is more like really sad fanfic ending with super broken everybody.  *sigh*  I need a support group or something.

[Nightshade715]

I haven't played Inquisition yet, but I've seen a few videos. I'm also not very fond of the way it was handled, but at least the developers left room for interpretation. We can headcanon it however we want.

[renfrees]

Hawke's description doesn't leave much room for interpretation. You'd have wriggle pretty hard to make it acceptable, if your Fenhawke relationship was built on trust and loyalty.

[Verlura]

I've been having so many game breaking problems with progressing in Da:I to the point that I can't play it anymore, but I was especially looking forward to seeing how my Hawke's romance with Fenris would be handled. Looking up info on it after getting impatient was just a bit of a let-down... I started sketching out a small narrative to make it all flow better in my head.

 

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I have to say I really missed him in this game. I would have loved to hear his comments with Dorian, his reception of Vivienne and Solas, a reunion banter with Varric-there's so much about his character and background that are relevant in Inquisition, not to mention his parallels with Shartan, that really could have been developed and included to great effect in the overall story. What little I managed to play of the game had me looking everywhere for him in the hopes he'd be included in a more substantial way than just a brief mention in a conversation...

[Nightshade715]

Hawke's description doesn't leave much room for interpretation. You'd have wriggle pretty hard to make it acceptable, if your Fenhawke relationship was built on trust and loyalty.

I didn't say it leaves a lot of room, because you're right, it doesn't, but I'd much rather put a lot of time and thought into it than accept it as Hawke makes it sound in-game because it's just out of character for so many Hawkes, my own including.

[okiness]

I didn't say it leaves a lot of room, because you're right, it doesn't, but I'd much rather put a lot of time and thought into it than accept it as Hawke makes it sound in-game because it's just out of character for so many Hawkes, my own including.

I managed to make it work in a fic: http://archiveofouro...g/works/2650574I think it's doable, you just have to work in a certain way. Kinda ambiguous though

[Lythinae]

I've been having so many game breaking problems with progressing in Da:I to the point that I can't play it anymore, but I was especially looking forward to seeing how my Hawke's romance with Fenris would be handled. Looking up info on it after getting impatient was just a bit of a let-down... I started sketching out a small narrative to make it all flow better in my head.

 

I'll admit, this is part of my problem.  I'm just not as happy with DA:I in general as I thought I would be (I have a huge great case of buyer's remorse, since I pre-ordered the Inquisitor's Edition) ... while it's not game breaking, I'm just generally not finding it as engaging as the others.

 

I didn't say it leaves a lot of room, because you're right, it doesn't, but I'd much rather put a lot of time and thought into it than accept it as Hawke makes it sound in-game because it's just out of character for so many Hawkes, my own including.

That's the sticker, it doesn't work at all for my canon Hawke (I mean, I could make it work I guess, but my headcanon becomes utterly miserable for both of them, because I also think Fenris would see this as a huge betrayal and pretty much just walk away - not happily or without massive effort, mind you.  But this is a guy who really, really meant the 'I can't bear the thought of living without you', and Hawke leaves him to just that.  I can't see him going 'ohai you're back cool'.  It's just depressing (if it was a book, I'd be throwing it at a wall  )
 

[Verlura]

I'll admit, this is part of my problem.  I'm just not as happy with DA:I in general as I thought I would be (I have a huge great case of buyer's remorse, since I pre-ordered the Inquisitor's Edition) ... while it's not game breaking, I'm just generally not finding it as engaging as the others.

 

 

What I did manage to play left me interested by the story and disappointed-but I think the latter stems more from the multiple glitches and freezes which ruined gameplay and immersion for me. Overall however, although I was taken with the newcomers, (Vivienne, let me love you) I would have liked better integration of past characters in the plot, no matter how brief, as a throwback to a cast who participated in past story lines and see them contributing or detracting from the events in Inquisition as much of its changes and upheavals has long reaching impact on multiple fronts. I thought Fenris in particular would have been a good complement to the established party. (for better or for worse. In my case, I'd like to think for better.) 

[okiness]

What I did manage to play left me interested by the story and disappointed-but I think the latter stems more from the multiple glitches and freezes which ruined gameplay and immersion for me. Overall however, although I was taken with the newcomers, (Vivienne, let me love you) I would have liked better integration of past characters in the plot, no matter how brief, as a throwback to a cast who participated in past story lines and see them contributing or detracting from the events in Inquisition as much of its changes and upheavals has long reaching impact on multiple fronts. I thought Fenris in particular would have been a good complement to the established party. (for better or for worse. In my case, I'd like to think for better.) 

For my Hawke, they love and trust each other. They got into an argument over it and he eventually said, well I'll come with you. She got mad and said, no way. Then, she was gone. So they talked about it, she just didn't leave a lot of word in. So not a betrayal of trust for him, he knows where she is going- but he has no idea how to track her down and he's furious at her for pulling her get my way ****. 

[Lythinae]

What I did manage to play left me interested by the story and disappointed-but I think the latter stems more from the multiple glitches and freezes which ruined gameplay and immersion for me.

The game itself runs well on my PC, and hasn't been too buggy (though I'm not really enjoying DW Rogue, which has always been my go-to).  The companions I've picked up so far are fine, but the female voice is so bland (and totally wrong for a Qunari).  I just can't connect well enough with Inquisitor to really care what happens.  I am going restart, and maybe switch everything up a bit.  Maybe a new world state, too.

Because this game is redic pretty, and I was so excited for it.  It's just been very average in some ways, and this 'ending' just made me very blah about it.  FWIW, the DA2 characters were my favourites, almost right from the beginning.  That's it's such a sad end for all of them, bugged me a bit.

 

For my Hawke, they love and trust each other. They got into an argument over it and he eventually said, well I'll come with you. She got mad and said, no way. Then, she was gone. So they talked about it, she just didn't leave a lot of word in. So not a betrayal of trust for him, he knows where she is going- but he has no idea how to track her down and he's furious at her for pulling her get my way ****. 

 

 I get what you mean (I liked the fic btw), but I went somewhere different ... Hawke just leaves, without saying where or why (so that Fenris can't follow).  It's selfish, because it becomes all about what Hawke can't deal with (not just loosing him, but watching him die in Hawke's place).  It removes Fenris' own choice from the whole thing and reduces what he says during act 3/gallows, and it's this part I see Fenris taking issue with.  What I think of as 'my Hawke' wouldn't have done this, not without being a lot more broken and guilt-trippy.  Which I could do (since wildly inappropriate sarcastic Hawke is on the sad clown slide a bit), and am getting totally tempted to fic anyway.

 

I just wish we'd either gotten something a little meatier, or if it had to be so short, then maybe not quite so bleak (since Isabella is the only who gets a mention of reconciliation, they all just kind of end with foreveralone!Hawke).  Unless we get crazy lucky with DLC, it's disappointing that after everything it ends with Hawke leaving Fenris behind.

 

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[renfrees]

Hmph. Fenris risked his life for Hawke a thousand times during their adventures, including facing Corypheus before. Hawke's mission isn't emphasized as really, truly dangerous to the extent of leaving Fenris behind for his own sake. Hawke what - goes to inform Inquisitor how much he knows about Corypheus and tracks down red templars along with his sudden Warden friend? He's not even staying to fight Corypheus if survives. That's a lot of far-fetched bullshit to take in for me.

 

And no, sorry, but being in a true, equal relationship doesn't mean doing whatever the hell you wish with no care for your partner's opinion and feelings. If you're doing this, you'd better be alone. It's selfish and immature and I don't even want to start on this. That's why your fic doesn't work for me, although I don't say it's bad. It just doesn't work for my canon of their relationship, I'm sorry.

[taranoire]

100% agree with everything said in the past few posts. I was SO upset Fenris and Hawke got pretty much the worst, incredibly ill-conceived, most tragic ending ever. There's no closure for them or for the player. It's bullshit. Thanks Bioware. Assholes. 

[Nightshade715]

I managed to make it work in a fic: http://archiveofouro...g/works/2650574I think it's doable, you just have to work in a certain way. Kinda ambiguous though

I enjoyed your fic very much. Thank you for sharing.
 
I wonder if that thing we hear about Fenris still happens if he was romanced in DA2.

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That Fenris is killing Tevinter slavers preying on refugees. That doesn't seem like insanely stupid reason for Fenris to stay behind while Hawke goes on not really dangerous mission. I don't believe there's anything mentioned about them not going to Weisshaupt together.

[Dutchess]

^Yup, Varric's line about what each of the companions is up to doesn't change based on romance status, so Fenris does that thing no matter what.

[renfrees]

I have one thing to add. Bioware's canon works for other LI's (especially for Anders), because they have other occupations. Isabela has her ship and she was never one for deep commitments, Merrill has her damned mirror and Anders has taint, which makes it dangerous for him to get near Corypheus. Fenris - Fenris has nothing but Hawke. He let his hatred go, replaced it with trust in Hawke, and that's how Hawke repays him? -"I've got things to do. Check for letters once in a month. Buh, bye!" That canon would work for Fenabela and their level of commitment, but falls horribly short with Fenhawke.

 

"Nothing could be worse than the thought of living without you." More like - nothing could be worse than Bioware giving conclusion to your romance.

[Verlura]

^Exactly. It's all very abrupt; too cut and dried to really elaborate on or do justice to the kind of interactions Hawke has with Fenris-(arguably, in most instances of the Hawke/Fenris romance, their relationship has this foundation of trust, intimacy and proximity that DA:I hastily sweeps under the carpet.)

It's jarring in a way; it just seems like a disservice to his established story and his interactions with Hawke.

 

Just this line, "Nothing is going to keep me from you," speaks volumes for him. Even if Hawke themself had doubts about their ability to fight and protect their loved ones there still would have been considerable reproach from Fenris at the prospect of separation under the guise of protecting him, not to mention his refusal to leave Hawke on their own at the height of the turmoil in Kirkwall, no matter their protestations and reasons or no matter the threat. I can't imagine Hawke looking at the Breach and not agonizing over where Fenris might be, if he's alright, and Fenris wondering the very same about Hawke. These two don't just trust to hope and move in separate circles, they would viciously defend the right to fight at each other's side. The stakes have always been high from the start, what's one more calamitous occasion to unite them all over again?

 

I mean, what about this line: "I'll take you to stranger places than this, just watch,"  and its ensuing implications?

 

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"Fenris, remember what I said back in Kirkwall, when we were set to fight Meredith and her merry band of templars?"

 

"You said many things, Hawke, and much more in not so many words as I recall..."

 

"Oh...right...yes I remember that one. We should repeat that later...without the threat of impending doom looming over us this time, although..."

 

"Yes?"

 

"Well, speaking of impending doom, remember when you said how I lead you to strange places? and I promised something about stranger ventures to come? Well, I've heard of the Inquisition spreading across Thedas searching for answers to the Breach. They have someone who can help close it. Also, they have bees."

 

"Bees."

 

"Beeees."

 

"You mean to join them."

 

"I want to help-if I can-if...if we can."

 

"Whatever is to come, bees or the Breach, I am at your side as always, Hawke."

 

"Remember our promise...."

 

Fenris leans in close, head tilted, eyes narrowed in singular concentration, in that fashion of predatory scrutiny which he wields as effortlessly as his sword. There is no threat inherent in his gaze as he closes the distance between them, there's only the heat of a vow reflected in his face, carried on the weight of words he means to seal with a bracing kiss. "As I said once before, nothing is going to keep me from you."
 

Hawke smiles and slings both arms around Fenris's neck, nose to nose with him. "I ate haddock for lunch," comes the murmured reply.

 

".....Not even that."

[Tootles FTW]

I don't see why people are overly depressed...the separation is more a necessary evil for game purposes (they needed Hawke alone) versus a dramatic plot point to lead us to believe they broke up/she ditched him without warning.

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Following the Fade scene Varric says that Hawke wants him to send letters to everyone to let them know her plans (to head to Weisshaupt), and he states that "Fenris needs to know" before heading off.  To me, that's pretty much solid proof that she intends for him to join her in Weisshaupt.  It's as silly a reason as Zevran & Leiliana not joining the Warden in Awakenings (at least King Alistair & a vanished Morrigan have excuses), but it's done because they needed to excuse their absence somehow.  I wasn't put off at all.  They're still very much together.  

[renfrees]

I don't see why people are overly depressed...the separation is more a necessary evil for game purposes (they needed Hawke alone) versus a dramatic plot point to lead us to believe they broke up/she ditched him without warning.

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Following the Fade scene Varric says that Hawke wants him to send letters to everyone to let them know her plans (to head to Weisshaupt), and he states that "Fenris needs to know" before heading off.  To me, that's pretty much solid proof that she intends for him to join her in Weisshaupt.  It's as silly a reason as Zevran & Leiliana not joining the Warden in Awakenings (at least King Alistair & a vanished Morrigan have excuses), but it's done because they needed to excuse their absence somehow.  I wasn't put off at all.  They're still very much together.  

Yeah? Then bring Cassandra and Varric together in the wilds after the Fade mission, and see what Hawke themselves intended to do. You'll be in for another disappointment.

[taranoire]

Yeah, the whole thing feels like a convenient way to kill both Hawke and the LI off or at least have them conveniently disappear from canon. Which SUCKS. 

[Tootles FTW]

Yeah? Then bring Cassandra and Varric together in the wilds after the Fade mission, and see what Hawke themselves intended to do. You'll be in for another disappointment.

 

Can you tell me?  I'm far beyond that mission.