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[NaclynE]

Fenris is a really cool name... I am not sure why I associated it with wolves but suddenly I think that it gives him a really interesting potential for his personality...

 

In alot of fantasy oriented stuff I read or saw it seems like a "fenris" is usually a white wolf that's pretty big and is practicaly like a wolf pack leader since it's suppose to be highly intelligent as well as strong. Sadly in this case Fenris doesn't seem to act like this but at least hunts like a mystical wolf.

 

Regardless of what his name means frankly I thought he was a cool character to take around and even have a relationship with. Sure he's pro templar but getting a mystical warrior bad*** is cool. Btw in one of my playthroughs I had to kill the guy since he joined the oppisite side of my fence....MAN was he tough. 

[Ashevajak]

....I hate to disappoint you, but Gideon Emery is Samson in DA:I. And I've heard their only plans for DLC are multiplayer maps, unfortunately. It's really not looking good for the Kirkwall crew. I have a nagging suspicion that they're closing the book on them. 

 

I would agree for this installment of Dragon Age.

However, it does sound that DA4 will likely take part in Tevinter and the Anderfels (obviously it's all still in an extremely speculative phase right now and subject to change...but plot and dev interest are both pointing due North).

As such, I think we'll see more from the Kirkwall crew in DA4.  We know Fenris is annoying the Vint slavers, and that Hawke (if still alive) and the Hawke sibling (if a Warden) are no doubt getting involved in whatever is going on in Weisshaupt.  Isabella's living it up with that Armada of hers....maybe Merill (if not romanced) is poking around Elven ruins or something.   Maybe Anders will even make an appearance.

[Dutchess]

^I doubt it. It seems pretty clear they are not going to bother giving characters a big part if they were killable in a previous game. Resurrection is only reserved for the favorites, like Leliana.

[taranoire]

^I doubt it. It seems pretty clear they are not going to bother giving characters a big part if they were killable in a previous game. Resurrection is only reserved for the favorites, like Leliana.

 

IMO, Fenris is at least as popular (or perhaps as infamous) as Leliana. If not more.

 

I'm one of the few people who adores her. Hardly anyone else even talks about her, even after Inquisition. 

[taranoire]

 

 

I felt so connectet, almost obsessed with my Hawke (same with Shepard for that matter...) I could never play female Hawke for that reason (same with I could never play male Shepard) But the Inquisitioner felt like had less personality. I loved Dorian, but even he could not make me connect properly with my Inqusitioner. Hence I was not as personally invested in Inquisition and the replay value dropped. I was SO excited when we met Hawke, and I was almost praying (although I am an atheis) to God for Fenris to be with him. But nooo... *rambling*

 

This. 

 

Inquisition is a good game, but I felt nothing for my Inquisitor. She had no personality. I don't care who I romance her with because there's nothing that makes me believe anyone could ever fall in love with her. She's boring. 

 

Hawke wasn't mine but at least he was a character who I could relate to and empathize with.

[Lythinae]

This. 

 

Inquisition is a good game, but I felt nothing for my Inquisitor. She had no personality. I don't care who I romance her with because there's nothing that makes me believe anyone could ever fall in love with her. She's boring. 

 

Hawke wasn't mine but at least he was a character who I could relate to and empathize with.

 

Yup.  Dull as f-ing ditch water, and probably the biggest reason why I can't get into DA:I ... and I really, really wanted to like it.  Say what you will about DA2's dialogue wheel, but at least it gave Hawke actual character (and the both VAs didn't just sound like they were blankly following a script), and while the companions can be fun they're not enough to carry a game. 

[Dutchess]

IMO, Fenris is at least as popular (or perhaps as infamous) as Leliana. If not more.

 

I'm one of the few people who adores her. Hardly anyone else even talks about her, even after Inquisition. 

 

All the hate he is getting on the forums is probably not doing him justice, no. But it seems to be more about the writers' favorites anyway. Seeing how Fenris keeps getting the short end of the stick, I doubt they care enough about him to resurrect him in case he was killed. And because the majority of players probably sided against Meredith, I imagine Fenris had to be fought quite often...

[taranoire]

All the hate he is getting on the forums is probably not doing him justice, no. But it seems to be more about the writers' favorites anyway. Seeing how Fenris keeps getting the short end of the stick, I doubt they care enough about him to resurrect him in case he was killed. And because the majority of players probably sided against Meredith, I imagine Fenris had to be fought quite often...

I've only had to fight him once in about ten playthroughs, and that was because of a glitch, I'm pretty certain.

[Dutchess]

I've only had to fight him once in about ten playthroughs, and that was because of a glitch, I'm pretty certain.

 

I have generally managed to avoid it too, but that is because I normally max his relationship score and complete his quests. It's easy to miss out on Bitter Pill if you don't bring Fenris along in your party every now and then. 

[renfrees]

I have generally managed to avoid it too, but that is because I normally max his relationship score and complete his quests. It's easy to miss out on Bitter Pill if you don't bring Fenris along in your party every now and then. 

Chances are, that if you don't bring him anywhere and missed out on Bitter Pill, he hasn't reached that critical threshold of 50-95 rivalry, where the fight is inavoidable. So, the players who has accomplished that with only Bait & Switch, Recruited and A2 Speak To quests under their belts, had to be total jerks (AND mages) to breach it.

[Elezra]

So I am still reeling from the romance between my Hawke and Fenris and after finding out that Fenris will only be getting a small cameo in da3 I can't help but wonder. Will they incorporate our romances in future DLC or future game content in general?

 

The way I see it is this. Players going through the game develop connections and veterans would appreciate having the option to continue past romances.

 

Is this just me or does anyone else feel this way? It's truly not a big deal, but I would certainly appreciate an encore of my favorite DA character.

[renfrees]

Small cameos - perhaps, but unlikely. If they hasn't brought any DA2 LI's in the game that featured Hawke, I doubt they'd do it for the next installment. Option to continue past romances - how? You're playing new PC every game, what Fenris, Isabela or Anders has to do with different protagonist? At most they'll be NPC's and their related romantic content will be out of your hands.

[Friera]

Yup.  Dull as f-ing ditch water, and probably the biggest reason why I can't get into DA:I ... and I really, really wanted to like it.  Say what you will about DA2's dialogue wheel, but at least it gave Hawke actual character (and the both VAs didn't just sound like they were blankly following a script), and while the companions can be fun they're not enough to carry a game. 

 

I do wonder WHY BW decided to make him so dull...  I mean, Hawke and Shepard are epic with so much personality. And I did like the british voice for the Inq.

 

I think it might have been because we did not experience the Inq origin. He went from zero to hero in one sec, which is... I dont know. Kind of boring/too easy?

[taranoire]

Small cameos - perhaps, but unlikely. If they hasn't brought any DA2 LI's in the game that featured Hawke, I doubt they'd do it for the next installment. Option to continue past romances - how? You're playing new PC every game, what Fenris, Isabela or Anders has to do with different protagonist? At most they'll be NPC's and their related romantic content will be out of your hands.

It's an unfortunate side effect of the way the games' narrative structures are built, unfortunately.  :/ 

 

Honestly, I wouldn't mind not seeing Hawke again, but I'll probably die if I don't get more Fenris lol 

[Lythinae]

I do wonder WHY BW decided to make him so dull...  I mean, Hawke and Shepard are epic with so much personality. And I did like the british voice for the Inq.
 
I think it might have been because we did not experience the Inq origin. He went from zero to hero in one sec, which is... I dont know. Kind of boring/too easy?

 
The US female voice is awful.  My first play through attempt was a f!Qunari, and it was just so flat and grating.  To the point that I just wanted to skip all the dialogue scenes.  I'm not sure if more back ground would have helped (though more story content is always nice).  There's a little bit of that in DA2 as well with the time skipping and stuff, but other stuff makes up for it.  I had really high expectations for DA:I, and it hasn't lived up to it (I had high expectations for Arkham Origins as well and even though it was buggy as all get out and kind of predictable, it was still fun to play and I at least finished it.  Sort of.)  I would have loved to have seen how pretty the rest of the DA2 companions looked too.
 

All the hate he is getting on the forums is probably not doing him justice, no. But it seems to be more about the writers' favorites anyway. Seeing how Fenris keeps getting the short end of the stick, I doubt they care enough about him to resurrect him in case he was killed. And because the majority of players probably sided against Meredith, I imagine Fenris had to be fought quite often...

 
I don't think I had too, but I usually try and max out all the companions.  It's some silly complete-ist thing ... I hate not having everything done.  I wonder how many people do multiple play throughs too.  I do, since I like seeing how other decisions play out.

I pretty much avoid the rest of the forums (and probably most of fandom lol).  The completely blind character hate/worship gets a little frustrating, especially given how flawed all of them are.  The general lack of empathy that Fenris gets does make me sad, though.  Like the expectation that he should just all oki doki about free mages, when he's lived through exactly what can happen with that.  Especially given that there's a couple of mages at best to counter his experience.  Yup, Kirkwall is not the greatest place to try and convince people mages should be 'free'

[taranoire]

I've noticed it's mostly males who hate Fenris, and for three key reasons. Misogyny (because he was created for the female gaze and female players like him), homophobia (because he's pretty and can be with a male Hawke), and ableism (because he's mentally ill). When you get down to it, it's just a loud, nasty group of people who actively dislike him. 

 

And don't get me wrong--it's fine to dislike him, but some take it to an extreme level of distaste that just seems suspicious to me. 

[renfrees]

Another of my Fenhawke videos, this time for m!Hawke x Fenris. Because I adore them and this pairing deserves more spotlight. Big thanks to Dutchess for help:

 

[Kakistos_]

Does anyone know why Fenris is the only DAII character with a theme song?

[Kakistos_]

I've noticed it's mostly males who hate Fenris, and for three key reasons. Misogyny (because he was created for the female gaze and female players like him), homophobia (because he's pretty and can be with a male Hawke), and ableism (because he's mentally ill). When you get down to it, it's just a loud, nasty group of people who actively dislike him. 

 

And don't get me wrong--it's fine to dislike him, but some take it to an extreme level of distaste that just seems suspicious to me. 

Male here. I agree, those are stupid reasons. My reservations against Fenris are his anti-Mage-Freedom stances, despite the fact that some of his only friends are mages and help him. Before his predjudice was clear I had fully intended to romance him but then I met Blondy Cakes.

[renfrees]

Male here. I agree, those are stupid reasons. My reservations against Fenris are his anti-Mage-Freedom stances, despite the fact that some of his only friends are mages and help him. Before his predjudice was clear I had fully intended to romance him but then I met Blondy Cakes.

He has his reasons. Fenris comes from the country where mages are free, and where he was enslaved by them. Anders was oppressed by templars and hates them, but I don't see you judging him, although their reasoning are the same. If the situations were reversed and the game took place in Tevinter, where mages are oppressive class, would you still make this claim?

Besides, Anders and Merrill are Hawke's friends, not his.

[nightscrawl]

^ He has a respect and liking for Bethany, but since she goes away at the end of Act 1 there really wasn't time for her to become a "friend." So really, the only mage friend that Fenris has is Hawke.

[Lythinae]

Male here. I agree, those are stupid reasons. My reservations against Fenris are his anti-Mage-Freedom stances, despite the fact that some of his only friends are mages and help him. Before his predjudice was clear I had fully intended to romance him but then I met Blondy Cakes.

 

This is why I said the lack of empathy he gets make me sad.  All people see is omg anti mages without considering why might he feel that way (and there are some really gross comments about genocide and ethic cleansing thrown around too).  They basically expect that he should be completely sympathetic with the people who abused him, when he has no reason too.  Of all the mages you meet, there's only a couple that don't actually serve as a counter for his experiences.

 

His only experience with free mages is a slave.  An actual slave, who is not even considered to be a person (and not what Anders thinks is slavery, it's more like false imprisonment .  The closest any of the game characters come would be Hawke + sibling, since Gamlen essentially sells them into debt bondage).  Until he meets Hawke et all, basic stuff like friendship is a pretty foreign concept (Fog Warriors aside, and I think that really illustrates just how much of a hold Danarius had, and how deep conditioning can go).

 

Teventer is supposed to be based loosely on ancient Rome, so I think it's reasonable enough to look at that for an idea of how slaves might have been treated.  Which would have largely depended on the person who owned them, and I highly doubt Danarius and Hadriana would have been particularly nice owners (which is hinted at in game, and backed up by writer outside of game comments)

Anders and Merril aren't his friends, and they don't help him (unless you mean by taking them as party members?).  Right from the beginning, Anders speaks to him as if he is a lesser being.  You get approval from Anders is you give Fenris back to Danarius.  Why should he like someone like that?  Merril's a walking example of good intentions and the road to hell, and the blood magic thing is a pretty huge stumbling block.  She might not use it against anyone, but she's one of how many who don't?  And again, especially since it's not a strech to assume that Fenris has probably had blood magic actively used on him.  Her tenancy towards the Dalish being 'real elves' probably doesn't help much, either.

 

There's two conversations you get early on that I think are interesting - the 'so you're an apostate/abomination' with Bethany and Anders.  Bethany treats his question as a valid one, and talks to him like an equal.  Anders rips into him for being a viscous killer (which is also hypocritical, since he seems to have no issue with how many people Hawke can kill).  But hey, Hawke is useful).  Bethany gives him reason to trust her, if not outright like her (which I think he does/did).

i was all set to romance Anders in the beginning, until he said stuff like 'Perhaps they should start making slaves Tranquil—then they wouldn't dream of escaping!' to someone who has actually escaped slavery.  Then I wanted to punch him.  Because srsly, that's just gross (a bunch of his act 1 conversations with Fenris are, tbh).  And yet, he gets more fan sympathy.

 

oops, this got long.  i have a lot of feelings

[Maverick_One]

I've noticed it's mostly males who hate Fenris, and for three key reasons. Misogyny (because he was created for the female gaze and female players like him), homophobia (because he's pretty and can be with a male Hawke), and ableism (because he's mentally ill). When you get down to it, it's just a loud, nasty group of people who actively dislike him. 

 

And don't get me wrong--it's fine to dislike him, but some take it to an extreme level of distaste that just seems suspicious to me. 

Guess I would be one of the not mostly males. Good. I hate being like everyone else. 

[Kakistos_]

He has his reasons. Fenris comes from the country where mages are free, and where he was enslaved by them. Anders was oppressed by templars and hates them, but I don't see you judging him, although their reasoning are the same. If the situations were reversed and the game took place in Tevinter, where mages are oppressive class, would you still make this claim?
Besides, Anders and Merrill are Hawke's friends, not his.

Becoming a Templar is a choice (and the job description is not exactly veiled in secrecy), being born a Mage is not. Anders hates Templars because of their choices. Fenris hates every Mage Everywhere because one population of free Mages in one country misuse their power. If his anger where concentrated on Blood Mages then I would be more sympathetic but he desires EVERY Mage to be treated no better than he was just for being born as they are.
 
 

^ He has a respect and liking for Bethany, but since she goes away at the end of Act 1 there really wasn't time for her to become a "friend." So really, the only mage friend that Fenris has is Hawke.

That was entirly his choice. He was openly hostile to both Anders and Merrill from the begining. If he had set aside his prejudices he could have found some common ground in that he and Anders both dislike Blood Magic and a common history as an Elf with Merrill.
 
 

This is why I said the lack of empathy he gets make me sad.  All people see is omg anti mages without considering why might he feel that way (and there are some really gross comments about genocide and ethic cleansing thrown around too).  They basically expect that he should be completely sympathetic with the people who abused him, when he has no reason too.  Of all the mages you meet, there's only a couple that don't actually serve as a counter for his experiences.

Don't get me wrong, I like Fenris and his treatment at the hands of the Magisters was inexcusable. I understand his feelings towards Tevinter and even Blood Mages in general but his hatred of Mages everywhere who have done nothing to him is unwarranted and little different than the racism he himself experiences as an Elf or the mistreatment of Castless Dwarfs simply for being born in the wrong family. That said, I do see how is experiences have led him to see the world as he does. I don't see why he would then befriend an Apostate Mage anyway.

 

There are a good number of Mages we meet, and play, that are contrary to Fenris' views. Wynne and all of the Mages of the Circle and the Mages of the Grey Wardens who fought against the Blight. Possibly The Hero of Fereldan, who, if he/she didn't give their life to stop the Archdemon went on to stop The Mother and possibly other heroic deeds. Bethany, who if not killed defending her mother joins the Wardens, Hawke's father who made a life for his family without enslaving others, Hawke's many possibly heroic deeds, including helping Fenris and Anders who helped stop The Mother and risks his life and freedom healing perfect strangers in Dark Town.

 

I would argue than many of the Blood Mages we meet throughout the games were pushed down that road by the Templars. It was not their goal to enslave others but to survive. I see them as no different than Fenris who freely admitted that he too slaughtered his way to freedom.

 

 

 

 

P.S. I was serious about my first question. Why is Fenris the only DAII character with a theme song?

[Maverick_One]

Becoming a Templar is a choice (and the job description is not exactly veiled in secrecy), being born a Mage is not. Anders hates Templars because of their choices. Fenris hates every Mage Everywhere because one population of free Mages in one country misuse their power. If his anger where concentrated on Blood Mages then I would be more sympathetic but he desires EVERY Mage to be treated no better than he was just for being born as they are.

Is it hate or really fear? I don't think it is anger so much as I think it is fear. Is he really different from person who would kill a spider because it was a spider? If we asked do you think that person really hated that spider or killed it because it is something they fear?