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Regarding the three year gap discussion... I have to have some elaborate headcanoning to make it work. Three years is a long time to be waiting for someone to work through their issues on their own if they refuse to talk to you about it.

 

Have we already determined that a romanced fenris will be stalking his bad self over to skyhold to give the Inquisitor a piece of his mind for letting Hawke go? I canon that he joins the ranks ever so reluctantly and may even play a vital role in helping Dorian start a revolution in Tevinter they'll be bffs

Uh... do you mean if Hawke is dead?? I don't think Fenris would live very long after finding out about that, to be honest. I don't necessarily think he would kill himself, more like put himself in the way of death, which is essentially the same thing.

Look at what Hawke says when you ask them about Fenris: "Fenris would have killed himself to protect me. I didn't want to give him that chance."

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Have we already determined that a romanced fenris will be stalking his bad self over to skyhold to give the Inquisitor a piece of his mind for letting Hawke go? I canon that he joins the ranks ever so reluctantly and may even play a vital role in helping Dorian start a revolution in Tevinter they'll be bffs

 

Nice art.  

 

I doubt Fenris will become bffs with Dorian, though, or even ally himself with him. I can't see Fenris sympathizing much with Dorian. Spoiled noble, part of Tevinter's elite, living his entire life in luxury and considering slavery normal (and still kinda does), who only came to the conclusion that the Imperium was a bad place because he had to marry? Blood sacrifices, infusing slaves with lyrium, sexual abuse, why, Dorian and his family didn't do that, so what's the fuss about? Most slaves are treated well. Dorian can't help it if there are a few bad apples. But he had to marry, so he totally gets oppression and loss of freedom now. Yeah, I'm sure Fenris is going to love that. About as much as he loved Anders exclaiming how Circle mages are slaves too and he should want to help them.

 

I can see Fenris hiking to Skyhold to give Hawke a piece of his mind for sneaking out, but the Inquisitor when Hawke gets left in the Fade? I fear that would leave Fenris too broken to do much of anything. I think we've grumbled quite a bit in this thread about Hawke leaving Fenris behind and how Hawke's disappearance would destroy him.

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... who only came to the conclusion that the Imperium was a bad place because he had to marry?

Uh... no. I'm not going to derail the Fenris thread with some involved Dorian diatribe, but this is totally inaccurate. And if you actually believe that about Dorian then you didn't listen to ANY of his dialog about Tevinter or magic.

Your statement is just about as accurate as people blindly stating that "Fenris is a raging alcoholic that hates all mages."

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Have we already determined that a romanced fenris will be stalking his bad self over to skyhold to give the Inquisitor a piece of his mind for letting Hawke go? I canon that he joins the ranks ever so reluctantly and may even play a vital role in helping Dorian start a revolution in Tevinter they'll be bffs

An ex-slave and a slavery-apologist as bffs? Highly unlikely, if you ask me. And we don't even know what exactly Dorian is going to rebel against, to ponder if Fenris will be willing to help him.

 

I agree that leaving Hawke in the Fade would basically destroy romanced Fenris. "Nothing could be worse than the thought of living without you."

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Uh... no. I'm not going to derail the Fenris thread with some involved Dorian diatribe, but this is totally inaccurate. And if you actually believe that about Dorian then you didn't listen to ANY of his dialog about Tevinter or magic.

Your statement is just about as accurate as people blindly stating that "Fenris is a raging alcoholic that hates all mages."

 

The ordeal with his father is what made him leave Tevinter. Not because he disapproved of slavery, or the general use of blood magic (only when it threatened to effect his person) or other atrocities committed by the magisters. And sure, he acknowledges bad things about the Imperium, about the corruption of their society, but when he talks about "reforming" his home country and saving the good things he remains very vague. What does he think should change to save Tevinter? He doesn't say he wants slavery outlawed. He doesn't say he wants to give commoners a more equal chance to rise and rule. Will blood magic be forbidden? Truly forbidden? Will there be more supervision to prevent mages from going astray? What does saving Tevinter mean to Dorian? 

 

Maybe Dorian can grow and fully commit himself to a worthy cause. Maybe he will fight for a greater good. He's not a bad person. I think he does have a good heart and means well. But with the way he was in Inquisition I don't think Fenris would have been very fond of him.

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Woops I misses the diatribe about hawke leaving fenris behind. Would've been nice to see him again but he absolutely would not have allowed her to throw herself into the abyss, flemeth prophecy or no.
Re: fenris and dorian, I know it's ever so unlikely they'd be friends but I think they both need the other's pov. I mean, dorian seems to think being a slave is better than being poor and on the streets, while fenris can explain otherwise. And dorian would be the proof for fenris that not all magisters are into blood magic, which I think is one of the things he'd want to reform. I think he'd want to make sure magisters are accountable for their actions again, that they can't just get away with blood magic or other forms of corruption.

Or maybe they wouldn't get along onky because Dorian's sparkle would compete with Fenris's glow he is a bit too animated for our broody elf..

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Woops I misses the diatribe about hawke leaving fenris behind. Would've been nice to see him again but he absolutely would not have allowed her to throw herself into the abyss, flemeth prophecy or no.

 

Yes, and it's sad that choice was taken from him. Not that it would have made me any happier to be forced to have Fenris stay behind instead of Hawke.

 

 

Re: fenris and dorian, I know it's ever so unlikely they'd be friends but I think they both need the other's pov. I mean, dorian seems to think being a slave is better than being poor and on the streets, while fenris can explain otherwise. And dorian would be the proof for fenris that not all magisters are into blood magic, which I think is one of the things he'd want to reform. I think he'd want to make sure magisters are accountable for their actions again, that they can't just get away with blood magic or other forms of corruption.

 

Or maybe they wouldn't get along onky because Dorian's sparkle would compete with Fenris's glow he is a bit too animated for our broody elf..

 

Oh, I would have loved a conversation/confrontation between Fenris and Dorian. Don't get me wrong. I just feel it would be more similar to Anders-Fenris interactions than, say, Varric-Fenris. I'm not sure whether Fenris' experience would really open Dorian's eyes either. He'd still be an exception, an anomaly. "Most slaves are treated well." Fenris could rave about how owning another person in itself is wrong (if he had the patience for that. Not sure he would be eager to educate a Tevinter noble on the matter), but would be that much more mind-blowing than when Inquisitor does it? 

 

Fenris does realize not all magisters use blood magic. "I have no doubt some of them are noble men with good intentions." But even if Dorian has never used BM, and his father and mother never have, what good does that do Fenris? Maybe the Pavus family didn't use it, but Danarius and Hadriana did. And it was allowed, condoned or at least not combated. Good people doing nothing... maybe that is the worst part of it? A lot will be needed to change Tevinter's system. The likes of Danarius won't change their ways by themselves.

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Regarding the three year gap discussion... I have to have some elaborate headcanoning to make it work. Three years is a long time to be waiting for someone to work through their issues on their own if they refuse to talk to you about it.

I don't think it requires any huge amount of elaborate headcanon-ing. A little, sure, since we don't get actual content (but there's big chunks of the game that that applies to, anyway)

I mean, I can give a detailed head canon of exactly what I think they get up to during the time skip, but I don't think the general idea needs a whole lot. Hawke's spent how many years becoming friends with Fenris. I don't think that gets thrown away, so I can see Hawke sucking it up and being the friend Fenris needs. They can do other stuff, and talk about everything but *that*.

Would it be hard, or awkward or painful? Sure, but Hawke's an adult who, theoretically, should be relatively well adjusted enough to deal with it. I'm apparently in the minority, but I don't think 3 years without sex is the end of the world either (I also have a tendency to do the 'deal with it on my own' thing, too)
 
 

An ex-slave and a slavery-apologist as bffs? Highly unlikely, if you ask me. And we don't even know what exactly Dorian is going to rebel against, to ponder if Fenris will be willing to help him.

 
 

The ordeal with his father is what made him leave Tevinter. Not because he disapproved of slavery, or the general use of blood magic (only when it threatened to effect his person) or other atrocities committed by the magisters. And sure, he acknowledges bad things about the Imperium, about the corruption of their society, but when he talks about "reforming" his home country and saving the good things he remains very vague. What does he think should change to save Tevinter? He doesn't say he wants slavery outlawed. He doesn't say he wants to give commoners a more equal chance to rise and rule. Will blood magic be forbidden? Truly forbidden? Will there be more supervision to prevent mages from going astray? What does saving Tevinter mean to Dorian?

It seems to be more of an issue with politics/political machination, than a 'holy crap, the basis of our society is flawed and should be fixed like yesterday'.

This comment

"In the south you have alienages, slums both human and elven. The desperate have no way out. Back home, a poor man can sell himself. As a slave he can have a position of respect, comfort, and could even support a family. Some slaves are treated poorly it's true, but do you honestly think inescapable poverty is better?"

would indicate that he has absolutely no problems with slavery. The opposite, in fact - he sees it as a viable solution for escaping poverty. That may be because he/his family are all super cool owners who treat their. property with respect and not brutality. I'm going back to Roman stuff (since I don't think we are given an in game indication), but even if a slave could start a family - which they could, with their owner's permission. What happen to slaves who didn't have that was less than pleasant - those children would be born into slavery, and could be sold off at a moment's whim. A poor man could also sell his children into slavery. And someone that desperate wouldn't always have a choice in who he was sold to.

Is he a good person? Probably, but that doesn't stop him from holding some fucked up views about the ownership of people. I don't think Fenris would want anything to do with him, and I don't think it's an unreasonable position for Fenris to have.
 

Oh, I would have loved a conversation/confrontation between Fenris and Dorian.

Or a romanced Hawke and Dorian. Like specifically in regards to this stuff (since pre Act 1, Hawke kind of has to do this. Actually I wish that this had come up in game, too)

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I mean, I can give a detailed head canon of exactly what I think they get up to during the time skip, but I don't think the general idea needs a whole lot. Hawke's spent how many years becoming friends with Fenris. I don't think that gets thrown away, so I can see Hawke sucking it up and being the friend Fenris needs. They can do other stuff, and talk about everything but *that*.

Would it be hard, or awkward or painful? Sure, but Hawke's an adult who, theoretically, should be relatively well adjusted enough to deal with it. I'm apparently in the minority, but I don't think 3 years without sex is the end of the world either (I also have a tendency to do the 'deal with it on my own' thing, too)

It's all fine if you disregard A3 Legacy banter (and it only triggers in A3, which means 3 years time-skip) - "So, Fenris, we haven't spoken since..." It doesn't bode well for Fenhawke relationship during these years. The reason I do it in A2, because the thought of them not interacting properly for 3 years is too bizarre for me to stomach.

 

Nobody's died from the lack of sex just yet (or I haven't heard about it), that's true. But we weren't talking about sex, and the realtionship isn't about sex. The discussion was about jealousy prior to reconciliation as far as I remember. For which not Fenris nor Hawke has the right, until they made their intentions clear. Otherwise it looks like a dog in the manger situation.

 

 

Is he a good person? Probably, but that doesn't stop him from holding some fucked up views about the ownership of people. I don't think Fenris would want anything to do with him, and I don't think it's an unreasonable position for Fenris to have.

 

No, it's not. Fenris should never back down or concede when Dorian tries to justify anything his countrymen do. Fenris is not perfect, he can be short-sighted, but that is the case when he has every right to be angry and dismiss Dorian's views, and Dorian has no right to object.

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No, it's not. Fenris should never back down or concede when Dorian tries to justify anything his countrymen do. Fenris is not perfect, he can be short-sighted, but that is the case when he has every right to be angry and dismiss Dorian's views, and Dorian has no right to object.

I don't think Fenris has to change who he is fundamentally to work beside someone he doesn't agree with. He worked with hawke, didn't he, even if you chose all the mage freedom options? He's totally within his rights to believe what he does and no one should try to change that, but the conversation, or rather heated argument, can still happen between them. Dorian doesn't know another way of life as much as Fenris doesn't, but it doesn't mean they should keep their eyes closed to other perceptions.

Fenris is stubborn, as is Dorian, and to see the two exactly polar viewpoints meet would be very interesting. I think if anything Dorian would concede anyway...

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I don't think Fenris has to change who he is fundamentally to work beside someone he doesn't agree with. He worked with hawke, didn't he, even if you chose all the mage freedom options? He's totally within his rights to believe what he does and no one should try to change that, but the conversation, or rather heated argument, can still happen between them. Dorian doesn't know another way of life as much as Fenris doesn't, but it doesn't mean they should keep their eyes closed to other perceptions.

Fenris is stubborn, as is Dorian, and to see the two exactly polar viewpoints meet would be very interesting. I think if anything Dorian would concede anyway...

Please let this happen. It would be so deliciously dramatic. 

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I don't think Fenris has to change who he is fundamentally to work beside someone he doesn't agree with. He worked with hawke, didn't he, even if you chose all the mage freedom options? 

He's worked with Hawke because he had no other options, even if Hawke is mean to him. He says as much in Alone - "I can't face him without you." That won't be the case with Dorian, not until Dorian finally starts to act on his words. Looking dashing is not what required to redeem his homeland. We'll see if Dorian's character develops beyond loud statements to earn the title of Redeemer.

[Lythinae]

It's all fine if you disregard A3 Legacy banter (and it only triggers in A3, which means 3 years time-skip) - "So, Fenris, we haven't spoken since..." It doesn't bode well for Fenhawke relationship during these years. The reason I do it in A2, because the thought of them not interacting properly for 3 years is too bizarre for me to stomach.
 
Nobody's died from the lack of sex just yet (or I haven't heard about it), that's true. But we weren't talking about sex, and the realtionship isn't about sex. The discussion was about jealousy prior to reconciliation as far as I remember. For which not Fenris nor Hawke has the right, until they made their intentions clear. Otherwise it looks like a dog in the manger situation.

I get the same banter in Act 2, post Bitter Pill (I normally do Legacy somewhere in between All That Remains and Demands of the Qun. Usually along with the 'Thank you for asking me to come along again, Hawke ...' banter. I think it fits there fairly well, but if you never got those comments until Act 3, yeah I can see how that would be weird.

Heh ... I got distracted, probably. I think he makes his feelings, if not exactly his intentions, clear (or at least, as clear as he can). It's not like running from commitment issues, or a one night walk of shame type thing. It's a lot deeper than that. Which is why I don't think it's a simple as expecting monogamy (since I also don't think at that point, he expects anything particularly positive). I can hand wave away the flirting, since I think all the companions do it and depending on when you play.
 
 

No, it's not. Fenris should never back down or concede when Dorian tries to justify anything his countrymen do. Fenris is not perfect, he can be short-sighted, but that is the case when he has every right to be angry and dismiss Dorian's views, and Dorian has no right to object

This!
 

I don't think Fenris has to change who he is fundamentally to work beside someone he doesn't agree with. He worked with hawke, didn't he, even if you chose all the mage freedom options? He's totally within his rights to believe what he does and no one should try to change that, but the conversation, or rather heated argument, can still happen between them. Dorian doesn't know another way of life as much as Fenris doesn't, but it doesn't mean they should keep their eyes closed to other perceptions.

Fenris is stubborn, as is Dorian, and to see the two exactly polar viewpoints meet would be very interesting. I think if anything Dorian would concede anyway...

Would he work with Dorian? Possibly, if there was reason enough too. Would he have anything to do with him outside of that? I really don't think so.

Dorian thinks slavery is normal, which is probably somewhat expected if that's what you grow up with (especially if you're in a position of privilege. Which he totally is). I don't think that's something that should ever treated as a valid viewpoint. Fenris especially, should not have consider Dorian's feelings at all on the matter.

It's not the same as something like being pro/anti circle, where you can make a valid argument for both sides.

Sort of random aside - it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that Dorian/his family would have had at least some knowledge of who Danarius was? Assuming they're both noble/high ranking families ...

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Sort of random aside - it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that Dorian/his family would have had at least some knowledge of who Danarius was? Assuming they're both noble/high ranking families ...

 

It would make for some interesting banter if Dorian did know Danarius and found out how he was killed...I really REALLY want this to be a thing...

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If I in any way implied that Dorian's viewpoint is okay, huuuuge apologies! Jeepers, Dorian has been sheltered and that's all he knows but it makes none of it okay. Fenris is probably the absolute epitome of that nightmare, to go through this Wolverine transformation, forget his memories and come out as a portable lyrium deposit...gah...I would want Dorian to concede that he's absolutely wrong, and not everyone is like his family

They would absolutely hate each other like a Solas/Dorian/Blackwall kind of thing, but if a shared goal is strong enough, it could happen. It might take a quanari invasion or the veil actually disappearing, but stranger things have happened in thedas...

http://www.deviantar...s-MEG-208307148

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Are we posting Fenris art now...

 

 

[QweenBeen]

http://alsiony.devia...Hawke-207400599

Never hurts I really miss hawke for all her snarky wit. Quizzy has her moments, but hawke will always be my fav

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I get the same banter in Act 2, post Bitter Pill (I normally do Legacy somewhere in between All That Remains and Demands of the Qun. Usually along with the 'Thank you for asking me to come along again, Hawke ...' banter. I think it fits there fairly well, but if you never got those comments until Act 3, yeah I can see how that would be weird.

Heh ... I got distracted, probably. I think he makes his feelings, if not exactly his intentions, clear (or at least, as clear as he can). It's not like running from commitment issues, or a one night walk of shame type thing. It's a lot deeper than that. Which is why I don't think it's a simple as expecting monogamy (since I also don't think at that point, he expects anything particularly positive). I can hand wave away the flirting, since I think all the companions do it and depending on when you play.

Bah, Legacy's banter is glitched beyond belief. Good to know that it wasn't intentional, and I do apologize for making an assumption.

 

You think he makes his feelings clear, but this is where we steer into a headcanon territory. Vanilla game only indicates that he hasn't forgotten about their night, that is all. Tell me, when it was the first time you romanced Fenris and you haven't had the outside info on how the romance progresses, have you had that reassurance that you hasn't screwed up and the romance hasn't ended as a one-night stand? Consolation scene plays a big role in giving player a hope, but it's very possible to complete All That Remains before A Bitter Pill, and then there's nothing encouraging until Alone. You are left with your headcanon to fill the gaps. Again, I'm not bashing the romance, it's wonderful and it makes perfect sense for Fenris, given his traumatic past, to take a step back and figure the things out. All I am saying is that it's severely underdeveloped, but that can be applied to the game as a whole.

 

 

Sort of random aside - it's not completely outside the realm of possibility that Dorian/his family would have had at least some knowledge of who Danarius was? Assuming they're both noble/high ranking families ...

 

If both Danarius and Dorian's father were powerful magisters, they should have. They are tightly-packed nest of vipers, the Magisterium, they should know each other to survive the intrigues. Not sure if Dorian personally met Fenris; it was 13 years ago when Fenris ran, so Dorian was likely in his teens and we don't have information at which age the kids are allowed to the parties in Tevinter, but it's also possible. But if so - what about it? I doubt it'd be a good topic for conversation between them.

[Lythinae]

If I in any way implied that Dorian's viewpoint is okay, huuuuge apologies!

There's a ... section of fandom that thinks he's the worst person ever for hating mages. He gets like, the least amount of empathy (I totally wouldn't have been surprised if it had come in game, and gotten the same reaction)

 

Bah, Legacy's banter is glitched beyond belief. Good to know that it wasn't intentional, and I do apologize for making an assumption.
 
You think he makes his feelings clear, but this is where we steer into a headcanon territory. Vanilla game only indicates that he hasn't forgotten about their night, that is all. Tell me, when it was the first time you romanced Fenris and you haven't had the outside info on how the romance progresses, have you had that reassurance that you hasn't screwed up and the romance hasn't ended as a one-night stand? Consolation scene plays a big role in giving player a hope, but it's very possible to complete All That Remains before A Bitter Pill, and then there's nothing encouraging until Alone. You are left with your headcanon to fill the gaps. Again, I'm not bashing the romance, it's wonderful and it makes perfect sense for Fenris, given his traumatic past, to take a step back and figure the things out. All I am saying is that it's severely underdeveloped, but that can be applied to the game as a whole.

That's hilariously bad levels of glitchy. I knew it had issues, but I must not have gotten hit that hard. Totally didn't even think that others might not have gotten that banter until a lot later.

I get that it's veering into head canon territory and that the way you play factors in quite a bit, but tbh I never got a one night stand vibe (so eeer ... the first time?). I think what I'm trying to say (in a stupidly wordy, probably failtastic way) is that I don't think the idea of Hawke waiting needs elaborate headcanon to work - tho I get where you're coming from now if the Legacy banter doesn't trigger until the start of Act 3 - and that I don't necessarily think he expect monogamy. I don't really think he expects anything at the point. Hawke can move on, sure but I don't think it's surprising the relationship can be picked back up again (I was surprised that people thought otherwise)
 
 

But if so - what about it? I doubt it'd be a good topic for conversation between them.

Idle curiosity, mostly. But there's a lot of random little details I wish got touched on. I like little random details!

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I get that's it's veering into head canon territory and that the way you play factors in quite a bit, but tbh I never got a one night stand vibe (so eeer ... the first time?). I think what I'm trying to say (in a stupidly wordy, probably failtastic way) is that I don't think the idea of Hawke waiting needs elaborate headcanon to work - tho I get where you're coming from now if the Legacy banter doesn't trigger until the start of Act 3 - and that I don't necessarily think he expect monogamy. I don't really think he expects anything at the point. Hawke can move on, sure but I don't think it's surprising the relationship can be picked back up again (I was surprised that people thought otherwise)

You didn't, I didn't, but many did. There's a fair amount of players who moved on, not because they wanted to screw Fenris, but because they assumed they messed up his romance and wanted to take another chance at relationship with different character.

Also - am I weird for not liking the idea of Hawke waiting for Fenris? It's like making an assumption on his behalf that he will eventually come back, when Fenris himself gives no such indication until after Alone. We don't know if he'd ever come back, if Danarius were still alive and kicking. So waiting to me feels like expectation, like Fenris' choice didn't matter. I much prefer Hawke just offering a friendship with no implications, and it's up to Fenris to pick the relationship up, and to Hawke - to accept or reject it.

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Also - am I weird for not liking the idea of Hawke waiting for Fenris? It's like making an assumption on his behalf that he will eventually come back, when Fenris himself gives no such indication until after Alone. We don't know if he'd ever come back, if Danarius were still alive and kicking. So waiting to me feels like expectation, like Fenris' choice didn't matter. I much prefer Hawke just offering a friendship with no implications, and it's up to Fenris to pick the relationship up, and to Hawke - to accept or reject it.

 

No, put that way it makes Hawke sound obsessive and creepy .  But the last part is basically what I see happening.

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You didn't, I didn't, but many did. There's a fair amount of players who moved on, not because they wanted to screw Fenris, but because they assumed they messed up his romance and wanted to take another chance at relationship with different character.

Also - am I weird for not liking the idea of Hawke waiting for Fenris? It's like making an assumption on his behalf that he will eventually come back, when Fenris himself gives no such indication until after Alone. We don't know if he'd ever come back, if Danarius were still alive and kicking. So waiting to me feels like expectation, like Fenris' choice didn't matter. I much prefer Hawke just offering a friendship with no implications, and it's up to Fenris to pick the relationship up, and to Hawke - to accept or reject it.

I always wondered why Hawke was completely okay with Fenris leaving. Considering mostly what Fenris knew about problems was running away, even when he says he's tired of running. Also doing the whole "let's be friends" after having a tumble is always awkward so I have to wonder why Hawke and gang stick around each other (especially if your romance goes from Fenris, to Isabella, to Anders...) 

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I always wondered why Hawke was completely okay with Fenris leaving. Considering mostly what Fenris knew about problems was running away, even when he says he's tired of running. Also doing the whole "let's be friends" after having a tumble is always awkward so I have to wonder why Hawke and gang stick around each other (especially if your romance goes from Fenris, to Isabella, to Anders...) 

Not sure if I understand your first question. What was Hawke supposed to do - chain Fenris to bed? Conduct a lecture on repetitive behavior and guilt-trip him into coming back? Tell that he's making a mistake not staying with them? Looks at best silly, and at worst - abusive in perspective, hmm?

I was actually glad how the romance played out: it was Fenris' choice to leave and come back, attempts of persuasion or blaming would only harm the relationship to irreparable state. Hawke also has a choice - to accept Fenris back or move on, but they can't force him into a relationship. Otherwise they aren't much better than Danarius.

Or did you want an option to kick Fenris from the party, as a way to show that Hawke is not okay with him leaving? That's a bit... childish, don't you think? You can just not use him for the rest of the game, if you're so offended by his decision.

 

As for you second question - that's purely headcanon how you justify them sticking around each other. It can range from mutual benefit to dysfunctional family.

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Also - am I weird for not liking the idea of Hawke waiting for Fenris? It's like making an assumption on his behalf that he will eventually come back, when Fenris himself gives no such indication until after Alone. We don't know if he'd ever come back, if Danarius were still alive and kicking. So waiting to me feels like expectation, like Fenris' choice didn't matter. I much prefer Hawke just offering a friendship with no implications, and it's up to Fenris to pick the relationship up, and to Hawke - to accept or reject it.

 

He does give an indication, though. He starts wearing the red band around his wrist and the Amell crest on his belt. It's not strange this could create some expectations with Hawke. Maybe not about Fenris' return being inevitable, but Fenris is hinting at his feelings by wearing this and that Hawke is still on his mind. I can't blame Hawke for trying to figure out what those favors mean and whether it's reason to hold out hope, against better judgment. 

 

Not sure if I understand your first question. What was Hawke supposed to do - chain Fenris to bed? 

 

 LOL, sorry, I can't resist.

 

Conduct a lecture on repetitive behavior and guilt-trip him into coming back? Tell that he's making a mistake not staying with them? Looks at best silly, and at worst - abusive in perspective, hmm?

I was actually glad how the romance played out: it was Fenris' choice to leave and come back, attempts of persuasion or blaming would only harm the relationship to irreparable state. Hawke also has a choice - to accept Fenris back or move on, but they can't force him into a relationship. Otherwise they aren't much better than Danarius.

 

I'm guessing she is referring to Hawke's rather tame and unfazed reaction by Fenris' sudden departure. The man practically bolts out of your bedroom. Showing more surprise, hurt or even irritation/anger are all plausible reactions and do not necessarily mean Hawke is heading into abusive territory, although caution would have been needed.

 

Personally I would have liked the chance to have Hawke try and talk about that night between them. Even if Fenris just snaps "I don't want to talk about it" and shuts Hawke out, at least there would have been some initiative here, something to define Hawke's reaction and interpretation beyond "oh, ok. Guess we'll stick to being friends for now then." Ultimately Hawke of course has no choice but to do just that and respect Fenris' wishes and boundaries, but it can definitely feel like there's a step missing for Hawke to get there.

Again, especially because of the signs Fenris attaches to his armor. Can't fault Hawke for wanting to ask "so, what's up with that?"

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He does give an indication, though. He starts wearing the red band around his wrist and the Amell crest on his belt. It's not strange this could create some expectations with Hawke. Maybe not about Fenris' return being inevitable, but Fenris is hinting at his feelings by wearing this and that Hawke is still on his mind. I can't blame Hawke for trying to figure out what those favors mean and whether it's reason to hold out hope, against better judgment. 

 

 

 LOL, sorry, I can't resist.

 

 

 

I'm guessing she is referring to Hawke's rather tame and unfazed reaction by Fenris' sudden departure. The man practically bolts out of your bedroom. Showing more surprise, hurt or even irritation/anger are all plausible reactions and do not necessarily mean Hawke is heading into abusive territory, although caution would have been needed.

 

Personally I would have liked the chance to have Hawke try and talk about that night between them. Even if Fenris just snaps "I don't want to talk about it" and shuts Hawke out, at least there would have been some initiative here, something to define Hawke's reaction and interpretation beyond "oh, ok. Guess we'll stick to being friends for now then." Ultimately Hawke of course has no choice but to do just that and respect Fenris' wishes and boundaries, but it can definitely feel like there's a step missing for Hawke to get there.

Again, especially because of the signs Fenris attaches to his armor. Can't fault Hawke for wanting to ask "so, what's up with that?"

I have only one answer - the game was rushed. Yes, there should have been discussion on the meaning of crest and wristband, which means additional cutscene, which means Fenris' romance would be singled out, since other LI's would have 1 scene less. In the prospect of already scarce interactions I can't imagine it being taken well by the fans of other LI's. So, yeah... headcanon away, as Hawke giving these symbols to Fenris before or amidst sex and knowing their meaning, or whatever else you can come up with