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I'm still reeling over the whole "give Fenris back to Danarius" thing. After all the time Anders spends bemoaning the "slavery" of mages, he's perfectly willing to hand Fenris over. And the worse part is I think Anders would be against slavery in general, Fenris is just an exception because Anders doesn't like him.

 

I just... what?

 

And I don't think Fenris tries turning anyone over to the Templars. He might suggest the mages belong in a Circle, but he doesn't turn on his companions that I can remember...

He doesn't.  This even comes up in banter with Sebastian during Act 3 - Seb suggests that the apostates should be turned over to the Templars, Fenris says "Not unless you want to deal with Hawke" or words to that effect.  (sorry, it's 3 am my time so I'm a little loopy...)



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My mage-sympathsizing Hawke actually had to fight Fenris in the final act of my last playthrough. Don't worry, it was over quickly.



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I'm going to post this here in case anyone wants to read it.

 

Fenris/FemHawke fanfic. Warning for feels and spoilers for Inquisition

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My mage-sympathsizing Hawke actually had to fight Fenris in the final act of my last playthrough. Don't worry, it was over quickly.

 

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#54881
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I have rediscovered one of my old fics and thought I would drop this bit of light heartedness off here. WIP.  :)

 

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I have rediscovered one of my old fics and thought I would drop this bit of light heartedness off here. WIP.  :)

 

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I have rediscovered one of my old fics and thought I would drop this bit of light heartedness off here. WIP.  :)

 

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Is there more? Please tell me there's more...

 

Goodness knows I could use some fluff with what I'm writing...


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Is there more? Please tell me there's more...

 

Goodness knows I could use some fluff with what I'm writing...

 

There is more but I am currently rewriting it. But I will be sure to post the rest in here once it is done.  ^_^


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There is more but I am currently rewriting it. But I will be sure to post the rest in here once it is done.  ^_^

 

I need some mental images of Hawke and Fenris in pretzel knots. I really do.


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I need some mental images of Hawke and Fenris in pretzel knots. I really do.

 

Lol! I will try my best. Let the awkwardness ensue!  :P


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Beware World of Thedas spoilers regarding Fenris:

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Wow, thanks for posting that. Someone linked me the picture yesterday, but I had no idea it was accompanied by all this text. Some interesting nuggets of knowledge there. This confirms it was really the pain of the ritual that caused Fenris' amnesia and that it was not done on purpose by Danarius, unlike when Fenris is recaptured.


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Also that Fenris and his family were slaves to Danarius and weren't bought out from another magister when he won competition.

Also confirms that Fenris was unaware of the ritual and what it entails when he fought (there were some discussions based on Varania's parting words. Nothing but spite as I suspected.) And reveals that Varania and their mother weren't cast out cold and dry on the streets of Minrathous when they were freed, as she tried to imply.

Danarius had many apprentices, not just Hadriana.

 

But most importantly - Leto's identity wasn't that different from Fenris'. So yeah, the ritual didn't transform him into completely different person.


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I'm not seeing that either. Unless the "do something" was interpretated as shifting blame on the Templars, I tend to think that at least here Anders just wanted to attend the funeral and try to make up for his mistake (which he won't be able to).

No, he specifically says "maybe her parents will believe she was killed by Templars" if you click on him while exploring.

Unfortunately, I don't have a DA2 save right now.


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No, he specifically says "maybe her parents will believe she was killed by Templars" if you click on him while exploring.

Unfortunately, I don't have a DA2 save right now.

 

Oh wow, that's disturbing. I rarely put him in my party anymore, so I've never heard that before.



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Also confirms that Fenris was unaware of the ritual and what it entails when he fought (there were some discussions based on Varania's parting words. Nothing but spite as I suspected.) And reveals that Varania and their mother weren't cast out cold and dry on the streets of Minrathous when they were freed, as she tried to imply.

 

I think you're being a little harsh on Varania, here. She told him he competed for the markings, and he did. I'm not sure where you're getting that Fenris didn't know anything about the ritual - the way I'm reading it, it sounds like he did. But in any case, whether he knew the specifics or not, he did compete for the "experiment." And thus, Varania's words are true.

 

She tells Fenris that "freedom was no boon." Some people may have taken that to mean she and her mother were thrown out on the street, but I don't see how we can say she was trying to specifically imply that. Obviously, she's saying freedom was hard. Perhaps they couldn't find work in a country that regularly employed elves as slaves and the money given by Daranius ran out quickly. Perhaps people in Tevinter still saw them as slaves, even though they had been granted freedom and were used and abused without having a "master" to protect them. We don't know, but apparently, it was a hardship.

 

I don't think she was being spiteful toward Fenris without her own (and possibly justified) share of reasons.



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I think you're being a little harsh on Varania, here. She told him he competed for the markings, and he did. I'm not sure where you're getting that Fenris didn't know anything about the ritual - the way I'm reading it, it sounds like he did. But in any case, whether he knew the specifics or not, he did compete for the "experiment." And thus, Varania's words are true.

She tells Fenris that "freedom was no boon." Some people may have taken that to mean she and her mother were thrown out on the street, but I don't see how we can say she was trying to specifically imply that. Obviously, she's saying freedom was hard. Perhaps they couldn't find work in a country that regularly employed elves as slaves and the money given by Daranius ran out quickly. Perhaps people in Tevinter still saw them as slaves, even though they had been granted freedom and were used and abused without having a "master" to protect them. We don't know, but apparently, it was a hardship.

I don't think she was being spiteful toward Fenris without her own (and possibly justified) share of reasons.

"You have no idea what I had to do since Mother died." Implies that maybe she alone suffered some sort of hardship from not being a slave.

Edit: despite any hardship she may or may not have faced. It is not an excuse to betray your brother to returning him to slavery. Inexcusable. I don't know how she thought it would be a good idea....

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I think you're being a little harsh on Varania, here. She told him he competed for the markings, and he did. I'm not sure where you're getting that Fenris didn't know anything about the ritual - the way I'm reading it, it sounds like he did. But in any case, whether he knew the specifics or not, he did compete for the "experiment." And thus, Varania's words are true.

 

She tells Fenris that "freedom was no boon." Some people may have taken that to mean she and her mother were thrown out on the street, but I don't see how we can say she was trying to specifically imply that. Obviously, she's saying freedom was hard. Perhaps they couldn't find work in a country that regularly employed elves as slaves and the money given by Daranius ran out quickly. Perhaps people in Tevinter still saw them as slaves, even though they had been granted freedom and were used and abused without having a "master" to protect them. We don't know, but apparently, it was a hardship.

 

I don't think she was being spiteful toward Fenris without her own (and possibly justified) share of reasons.

I already said in another thread but repeat here - if she thought freedom was so hard and she had it worse than when she was a slave, she could have sold herself back into slavery. Instead of selling out her brother, you know. She's not that different of a climber from Hadriana (if you speak with Orana after A Bitter Pill and choose the red answer, she will tell that Hadriana also had it hard.) I'm forever baffled how people try to make innocent of Varania. Whatever her reasons were, the fact remains - she sold out her brother who fought to give her freedom. This is her gratitude, this is her way to make a better life for herself.


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Wow, thanks for posting that. Someone linked me the picture yesterday, but I had no idea it was accompanied by all this text. Some interesting nuggets of knowledge there. This confirms it was really the pain of the ritual that caused Fenris' amnesia and that it was not done on purpose by Danarius, unlike when Fenris is recaptured.

Some VERY interesting nuggets of knowledge, there.  Not just about the ritual, but also about Fenris' history.  I personally suspect that Fenris wasn't born into slavery - or if he was, he was born into the household of a much kinder person than Danarius.  As Anders mentions, Fenris doesn't "have the temperament for a slave."  He has more of a sense of self-worth and self-preservation than I would expect from someone born into slavery.  It's possible that this comes from his experiences first as Danarius' bodyguard and then his years of freedom, or from having grown up with a mother and sister to whom he was obviously close, or some combination of the above.  But I'm starting to headcanon that he wasn't born into slavery.



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Edit: despite any hardship she may or may not have faced. It is not an excuse to betray your brother to returning him to slavery. Inexcusable. I don't know how she thought it would be a good idea....

 

Oh, I agree with that. I was just saying, looking at what she specifically said, I think she really did suffer some hardships from being freed. I don't think she was being spiteful toward Fenris without cause. 

 

But yeah, whatever she suffered, there was no reason to turn him back to Danarius.

 

 

if she thought freedom was so hard and she had it worse than when she was a slave, she could have sold herself back into slavery. Instead of selling out her brother, you know.

 

That's very true.

 

And I don't mean to imply that Varania's innocent because turning on your own brother is horrible. But I think it's easy to judge when we don't have her side of the story.


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I think it's also easy to judge without knowing more about the status of elvhen mages in Tevinter.  I doubt Danarius would go back entirely on his promise to Varania to train her as a mage, but I also can't see him ever treating her the same way he would a human apprentice.  As Hawke says at one point, Varania was as much a victim as Fenris.  I can't see her as being totally innocent, but I also think Danarius was using her to get Fenris back.  Whatever happens to Fenris, Varania is the one who has to live with the knowledge that she betrayed her brother.  (And in my playthroughs, I think she'll always have to live with it.  Even if Fenris barely remembers her and may never forgive her, I can't see him killing the sister whose freedom he fought for.)



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*snip* As Hawke says at one point, Varania was as much a victim as Fenris.  I can't see her as being totally innocent, but I also think Danarius was using her to get Fenris back.  Whatever happens to Fenris, Varania is the one who has to live with the knowledge that she betrayed her brother.  (And in my playthroughs, I think she'll always have to live with it.  Even if Fenris barely remembers her and may never forgive her, I can't see him killing the sister whose freedom he fought for.)

Says Hawke who knows next to nothing about Tevinter besides what Fenris told them. Danarius was using her just as she was using him to get a better standing. I think they are pretty equal in that regard. She didn't do it to save herself, she did it to come into position of power. And don't tell me that we know nothing of her situation, her own words speak for itself - "I would have been a magister. It was my only chance."

 

Would you also call Hawke a victim if they turned Bethany over to the templars to get rid of the neccessity to move from place to place? A victim of society, why not? It's so easy to blame it on society, but in the end you are always alone with your actions.


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Says Hawke who knows next to nothing about Tevinter besides what Fenris told them. Danarius was using her just as she was using him to get a better standing. I think they are pretty equal in that regard. She didn't do it to save herself, she did it to come into position of power. And don't tell me that we know nothing of her situation, her own words speak for itself - "he would make me a magister. It was my only chance."

 

Would you also call Hawke a victim if they turned Bethany over to the templars to get rid of the neccessity to move from place to place? A victim of society, why not? It's so easy to blame it on society, but in the end you are always alone with your actions.

 

I don't usually let him kill her because he might regret it after. Perhaps she could tell him what his life was like before the ritual, if they ever came to speaking terms (likely not).

 

But sometimes I do let him kill her. He made a point about how she was ready to see him killed. I sympathize with his reasoning because he barely knew her so what was she to him. On her part however she knew him her whole life, grew up with him, experienced what their life was like and she still wanted to see him burn. Its heartless to the core. And i hate her guts.


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Regardless of whether or not Varania deserves to die, I suspect Fenris would regret killing her afterwards.  If you let him kill Hadriana and then remind him that he had given his word to let her go, he admits that he wanted to let her go but couldn't.

 

I don't think Varania's situation is all that analogous to Hawke's, though.  For one thing, there were at least two mages in Hawke's family (three for a mage!Hawke) and turning any one of them over to the Templars would have meant risking exposure for all of them.  But I think the bigger issue here is that Hawke is a human with ties to nobility, in a society that regards elves as inferior and commoners as being, well, common.  Thus, there are opportunities available to the Hawke family that Varania and her mother probably never had.

 

That doesn't make her behavior any less reprehensible, though.  Rather than betraying her brother, she could (presumably) have gone to a Circle outside Tevinter and gained admission there if she truly wanted to study magic.