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[Kynare]

*wipes drool off keyboard*

 

You know, at least Danarius has a sense of style... *cough*

 

 

 

Has anyone ever wondered about the lore behind the "lyrium markings"? From what I've seen they actually haven't gone into it in-game, and it seems to be just a thing specific to Danarius and Fenris and occasionally mentioned as something some Tevinter magisters do to their slaves. But it's like... if they get that much power out of it, why doesn't every Tevinter magister do that to their slave?! Maybe only the strongest can get through it?

 

Before DAI, I used to head canon that it stems from some kind of ancient ritual performed by the Elvhenan, and that it was used as a symbol of deep admiration for the ones who had it. Two individuals who felt really close to each other would perform it, since they seem to have an effect where you can sense the person whenever they're near. And the one receiving the markings would "feed" off of the other's strength in order to get through the pain.

 

The magisters who do it now twisted it into something cruel and performed it against unwilling participants, and maybe that's specifically what causes negative side effects (like pain when touched, lost memories). Perhaps it cripples/corrupts the subject's connection to the Fade if they don't embrace it willingly.

 

After DAI lore though... it could also be that it's just a slave marking through and through, and the Tevinters learned it from the Elvhenan who did similar things to their slaves with blood writing.

 

The reason why I'm wondering is because despite the cons, they seem to really help Fenris use magic, and he's not even a mage. So I wondered what would happen if a mage had them. I wonder if it would help them to manifest their magic just like the use of a staff would. I've been thinking of giving my Warden Amell some lyrium marking designs around her arms to play with the idea in my story. But then I don't want her to lose her memories...

 

Have they already explained the origin/lore of lyrium marking? I can't find anything if so

[Lythinae]

World of Thedas vol 2 sort of touched on it, though I don't think specifics have ever been given about the ritual.  Danarius did a lot of experimentation with magic and lyrium, and found some ancient stuff about embedding lyrium under the skin.

 

One of the RPG sets apparently says that magisters did do it, but that kind of conflicts with the idea of it being an unknown process.  There's also potential the cost involved, and that it's extremely painful and requires an unflinching subject (WoT2 says it required months of prep time, plus Danarius and his apprentices to pull it off)

 

I've always though there was some similarity between this, and what happens in the Golems of Amgarrak DLC, and the whole moving things through levels of the Fade but I don't know if that's been contradicted by anything in the Inquisition DLC.

 

I don't think a mage could do it.  From memory, the Tranquil branding is done with lyrium, and mages are the most affected by it.

[springacres]

World of Thedas vol 2 sort of touched on it, though I don't think specifics have ever been given about the ritual.  Danarius did a lot of experimentation with magic and lyrium, and found some ancient stuff about embedding lyrium under the skin.

 

One of the RPG sets apparently says that magisters did do it, but that kind of conflicts with the idea of it being an unknown process.  There's also potential the cost involved, and that it's extremely painful and requires an unflinching subject (WoT2 says it required months of prep time, plus Danarius and his apprentices to pull it off)

 

I've always though there was some similarity between this, and what happens in the Golems of Amgarrak DLC, and the whole moving things through levels of the Fade but I don't know if that's been contradicted by anything in the Inquisition DLC.

 

I don't think a mage could do it.  From memory, the Tranquil branding is done with lyrium, and mages are the most affected by it.

Now that you mention it, there's actually some similarity between Caridin's description of the process of becoming a Golem in Origins and some of the established lore on the ritual Fenris underwent - even down to Shale's partial amnesia of her life before becoming a golem, if you have the Stone Prisoner DLC.  I'd never actually made that connection before.

 

I very much doubt that a mage could undergo the ritual, however.  The Origins codex entry on lyrium says that even mages are affected by overuse of lyrium, and that it eventually transformed some of the ancient Tevinter magisters into beings barely recognizable as human even by their own kin.  (Which could explain why Corypheus more closely resembles an ogre than he does even a hurlock, let alone a human.)

[SmilesJA]

You know, at least Danarius has a sense of style... *cough*

 

 

[Lythinae]

Now that you mention it, there's actually some similarity between Caridin's description of the process of becoming a Golem in Origins and some of the established lore on the ritual Fenris underwent - even down to Shale's partial amnesia of her life before becoming a golem, if you have the Stone Prisoner DLC.  I'd never actually made that connection before.

 

I got so excited when things like this started showing up in Golems, and it involved a Tevinter mage with the original expedition, which was trying to recreate Caridin's work  (I don't think it's ever stated anywhere, but I'm happily head canon-ing that this was the kind of research Danarius got his hands on )

 

 

[Abelas Forever!]

Dragon Age Inquisition: Trespasser HUGE ENDING SPOILER

 

Spoiler

Sooo... Hawke is staying in Kirkwall helping Varric (which is awesome!). Does that mean Fenris is staying with him too...?

Of course! I believe that until I'm proven wrong. They definitely need some happy time for a while.

[renfrees]

Has anyone ever wondered about the lore behind the "lyrium markings"? From what I've seen they actually haven't gone into it in-game, and it seems to be just a thing specific to Danarius and Fenris and occasionally mentioned as something some Tevinter magisters do to their slaves. But it's like... if they get that much power out of it, why doesn't every Tevinter magister do that to their slave?! Maybe only the strongest can get through it?

 

*snip*

I remember Gaider mentioning that Fenris is unique, aka he's the only person alive to undergo this process. To what attribute it - extreme cost, lack of knowledge by other magisters or his innate abilities that let him survive the ritual - I don't know.

Here's the link for those interested - http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl

[Fenris8]

Thanks to renfrees for the interview stuff. But yo me he survived as he was only one strong engh to. Others died so no others. Or we never know? Yup same, i cant stand fenders. The humor ones are cute but not the angst. They get more views tho :0 i think merrill can be frens with him given time. And if she helps him but not love. I like fenzev too.

[Fenris8]

Danarius was a real douche, killing was too cheap for him, fen shld have prolonged his pain. I saw on someone's fic he wld be emo drained by that amd pass out. Shld have a gang bash of that dick lol.

[springacres]

Danarius was a real douche, killing was too cheap for him, fen shld have prolonged his pain. I saw on someone's fic he wld be emo drained by that amd pass out. Shld have a gang bash of that dick lol.

I know that under the circumstances, my canon Warden (and possibly my canon Hawke as well...) would have suggested removing something below the belt before going for the heart, if you get my meaning.

 

Also, it's worth remembering that fanfics generally represent the author's view of the characters and situations they portray.  Some people might see torture as being too emotionally draining for Fenris; others might see his actions as simply being the quickest route to revenge, or as a way for him to get revenge without resorting to tactics like those the magisters used.   Personally, I think it's some combination.  He's pretty emotionally drained after that fight anyway, and it's hard for me to imagine a more fitting end for Danarius than one that involves Fenris using the abilities he inflicted to kill him as quickly as possible.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Hey thread!

A while ago I posted the beginnings of a fic I was writing and I told some of you I'd post more as it was written. I wrote some more--yay!

But I will post a link as the third chapter got a bit smutty.

http://archiveofouro...hapters/3442766

[Fenris8]

http://archiveofouro...g/works/4533204
Here's my new fanfic Fen zev M/m my first smut. Hi spring, indeed. It was pretty gd an old fic abt alistair and fen becoming a grey.

[Fenris8]

It depress me when i read bdsm of any kind as im having angst in RL now. So i like to read humor

[Fenris8]

You know, at least Danarius has a sense of style... *cough*

 

 

 

Has anyone ever wondered about the lore behind the "lyrium markings"? From what I've seen they actually haven't gone into it in-game, and it seems to be just a thing specific to Danarius and Fenris and occasionally mentioned as something some Tevinter magisters do to their slaves. But it's like... if they get that much power out of it, why doesn't every Tevinter magister do that to their slave?! Maybe only the strongest can get through it?

 

Before DAI, I used to head canon that it stems from some kind of ancient ritual performed by the Elvhenan, and that it was used as a symbol of deep admiration for the ones who had it. Two individuals who felt really close to each other would perform it, since they seem to have an effect where you can sense the person whenever they're near. And the one receiving the markings would "feed" off of the other's strength in order to get through the pain.

 

The magisters who do it now twisted it into something cruel and performed it against unwilling participants, and maybe that's specifically what causes negative side effects (like pain when touched, lost memories). Perhaps it cripples/corrupts the subject's connection to the Fade if they don't embrace it willingly.

 

After DAI lore though... it could also be that it's just a slave marking through and through, and the Tevinters learned it from the Elvhenan who did similar things to their slaves with blood writing.

 

The reason why I'm wondering is because despite the cons, they seem to really help Fenris use magic, and he's not even a mage. So I wondered what would happen if a mage had them. I wonder if it would help them to manifest their magic just like the use of a staff would. I've been thinking of giving my Warden Amell some lyrium marking designs around her arms to play with the idea in my story. But then I don't want her to lose her memories...

 

omg really the Elvenan did that to their slaves too? But how could they? As Fen said having these lyriums would most definitely result in amnesia. But thats just my opinion, it's your warden huh D had a sense of style? facepalm*

[Fenris8]

What's bad about being Tranquil? It's fine especially for those that are wicked. I think it's a blessing not to feel anything. Unless in context of their son or daughter being estranged

[springacres]

It depress me when i read bdsm of any kind as im having angst in RL now. So i like to read humor

Yeah, I get kind of squicked out by BDSM myself.

 

What's bad about being Tranquil? It's fine especially for those that are wicked. I think it's a blessing not to feel anything. Unless in context of their son or daughter being estranged

To paraphrase the Tranquil you meet at Ostagar in Origins, "You might feel differently were you a mage."

 

Having said that, I think we can all agree that Danarius and Hadriana both deserve to be made Tranquil.

[ModernAcademic]

I don't know whether someone has already posed the following question, but here goes:

 

Does anyone else find it odd that Fenris is so proud, so sttuborn and prone to bickering? Isn't such behaviour unexpected for a former slave?

[Violet Carson]

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I don't know whether someone has already posed the following question, but here goes:
 
Does anyone else find it odd that Fenris is so proud, so sttuborn and prone to bickering? Isn't such behaviour unexpected for a former slave?

I never found him prone to bickering, at least no more than anyone else. Maybe he's just enjoying the fact that he's allowed to talk back without having to worry about being punished for it *shrugs*

[Fenris8]

Yeah, I get kind of squicked out by BDSM myself.

 

To paraphrase the Tranquil you meet at Ostagar in Origins, "You might feel differently were you a mage."

 

Having said that, I think we can all agree that Danarius and Hadriana both deserve to be made Tranquil.

LOl couldnt have said that better myself ;p now i'm reading up about D.i.SC , and they both fit the dominating, run over people sort. Oh tranquility means they cannot cast? in the new one, cass said she had become tranquil too which was surprising  

[Fenris8]

Does anyone else find it odd that Fenris is so proud, so sttuborn and prone to bickering? Isn't such behaviour unexpected for a former slave?

 

 

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I never found him prone to bickering, at least no more than anyone else. Maybe he's just enjoying the fact that he's allowed to talk back without having to worry about being punished for it *shrugs*

- Nope because he has been suppressed all his life, so now he's rebelling fighting back. Even his skill tree mentions under the lyrium one, that for every blow, it increase his resilience and defence. Something like that. Like, we all want to be nice gentle civil people but when meet too many bitter experiences, not enough positive exp, his behaviour is an example. 

[Fenris8]

And he only bickers with Anders who always whines we are oppressed. As angryjoe reviews, he never shuts up mwahah true

[springacres]

I never found him prone to bickering, at least no more than anyone else. Maybe he's just enjoying the fact that he's allowed to talk back without having to worry about being punished for it *shrugs*

I definitely think that plays into it.  I also think that some of what I see as his sarcastic or snarky remarks are what others might see as bickering.  (Especially with Carver and Merrill.)

[SmilesJA]

And he only bickers with Anders who always whines we are oppressed. As angryjoe reviews, he never shuts up mwahah true

 

Not true, he also bickers with Merrill about her supposed reckless use of Blood Magic. The only time he actually AGREES with Anders is with Merrill's problems.

[springacres]

Not true, he also bickers with Merrill about her supposed reckless use of Blood Magic. The only time he actually AGREES with Anders is with Merrill's problems.

^This.  On some level, I suspect Fenris understands Anders and can see why he makes the choices he does.  They have, at best, an uneasy truce.  Merrill, on the other hand, he neither understands nor approves of, and she insists on making poorly informed choices about her use of blood magic (and then keeps insisting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that she's right to use it and has it totally under control).

 

The sad thing is that if she hadn't admitted to using blood magic and been so insistent that she needed to use it, I think he might have actually come to like her.  When you first discover Merrill is a mage, if Fenris is in the party he says something like "I imagine it's hard to give away something nobody wants" and sounds almost sorry for her.  It's only when you discover she's a blood mage that he gets irritated with her.

[renfrees]

^This.  On some level, I suspect Fenris understands Anders and can see why he makes the choices he does.  They have, at best, an uneasy truce.  Merrill, on the other hand, he neither understands nor approves of, and she insists on making poorly informed choices about her use of blood magic (and then keeps insisting, despite all evidence to the contrary, that she's right to use it and has it totally under control).

 

The sad thing is that if she hadn't admitted to using blood magic and been so insistent that she needed to use it, I think he might have actually come to like her.  When you first discover Merrill is a mage, if Fenris is in the party he says something like "I imagine it's hard to give away something nobody wants" and sounds almost sorry for her.  It's only when you discover she's a blood mage that he gets irritated with her.

Idk, he sounded disdainful to me, and he was definitely applying southern Andrastian society' mentality to her worth as a member of the Dalish society. it's not surprising since there is no Dalish clans in Tevinter and I doubt he's had much contact with them on the run. Sabrae clan were probably the first Dalish he met. He has some theoretic knowledge about their lifestyle and behavior, but not in the area of magic, it seems.