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[Ryzaki]

Yeah I tend to play a character that's a pacifist. Telling the slavers to just leave peacefully gets major rivalry boons from him. (And of course the fools attack anyway so I can kill them )

[Qun00]

Can't say I've ever had any trouble rivaling him. Friendship's harder for me to gain because I feel like I have to metagame waaaaay more, but I digress. What did you say/do that caused the friendship bump in A Bitter Pill?

edit; nevermind, I forgot what an approval minefield this quest can be.

I was just nice to him, acted equally angry towards Hadriana and finally gave some slave woman a paid job.

[Lythinae]

I was just nice to him, acted equally angry towards Hadriana and finally gave some slave woman a paid job.

Being sympathetic usually gets you a fair bit of friendship. I find him pretty easy either way, though taking the rivalry options in Bitter Pill/Alone mage me cringe a bit, and I've never been able to not help Orana. Poor girl can end up at the Rose if you don't.

[renfrees]

I find it harder to rival him without metagaming, since he has a massive friendship boost in A Bitter Pill, which feels like the most natural if you're romancing him or simply support his autonomy.

[vertigomez]

I don't know - I remember killing the slavers and being ticked at Hadriana, but maybe I was already far enough in rivalry that I didn't accrue a bunch of friendship here? It's been ages.

I remember getting +5 friendship or something though for giving Orana a job. Weird. I'd have to play through it again to figure out what options I chose.

[Lythinae]

Yeah, you get +5 for helping Orana, but there's a lot of places to get friendship ... I think you can end up with around a total of +30 mostly by being sympathetic

[vertigomez]

Yeah, you get +5 for helping Orana, but there's a lot of places to get friendship ... I think you can end up with around a total of +30 mostly by being sympathetic

Yeah, it's been a while so there's a lot I don't remember. In any case, I'm doing a friendmance this time around so we'll see what happens.

Does anybody have any thoughts about how Fenris would react to Red Lyrium?

[renfrees]

Yeah, you get +5 for helping Orana, but there's a lot of places to get friendship ... I think you can end up with around a total of +30 mostly by being sympathetic

You can get up to +60 friendship for this quest alone, if you're already on the friendship path.

 

Does anybody have any thoughts about how Fenris would react to Red Lyrium?

I don't think he would react any different from a regular person. If you're talking about him being susceptible to corruption, that shouldn't be the case. Cassandra in her personal quest talks about the Red Templars having to ingest corrupted lyrium in order to be infected, so unless someone would force-feed him the red lyrium I doubt that would happen due to simple proximity. Otherwise everybody in Emprise du Lion would've been infected, as you literally build camps on the red lyrium growths. As for his sensations from being near it, I suspect they could be similar to one of a mage. He can sense the thin Veil after all.

[Fenris8]

WHOA, that's an entire page's of fanart, thank you. i can't load it on multi quote though. Hi to the newbies guest imported beer? yea he is from the norse mythology Fenris or Fenrir the wolf son of Loki. (do any of u like the avengers? I liked the 1st one) I think David was alluding to it just as he likens him to wolverine, if i'm not wrong on a fangirl's interview... cept wolverine isn't as adorable as Fennie haha       

[Fenris8]

Yeah, it's been a while so there's a lot I don't remember. In any case, I'm doing a friendmance this time around so we'll see what happens.

Does anybody have any thoughts about how Fenris would react to Red Lyrium?

 

Someone asked this on the DA fanfiction FB page i think, eh whhhyyyy do u want to subject him to that? He's alr in enough pain        

[Fenris8]

I have great respect for anyone that succeeds at getting either 100% friendship or rivalry with Fenris.

In the beginning, I was determined to rival him. Took the guy with me on every mage quest.

Then the Bitter Pill quest came later on and bumped the bar all the way to friendship. So I figured "Okay then. Might as well stick to this path now".

And today I got +15 rivalry for sparing his sister in " Alone".

Damn. Fenris really was made for neutral zone.

 

 

Yea if u spare the sister, he's supposedly pissed so 15 rivalry also no extra talk time with him at the house. If u allow him to kill her, have the talk. My friend and I cowrote this fenhawk isabela rivlary stuff want to check it out? 

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/9980144

[mangomunkki]

i can't understand why people have such a hard time getting fenris to 100% friendship (rivalry is the trickier one). i usually have him maxed out in the middle of act two, despite my hawkes pretty much always being mage-supportive. you just have to not be a jerk about his past and he loves you. really, he and anders are both ridiculously easy to befriend

[springacres]

i can't understand why people have such a hard time getting fenris to 100% friendship (rivalry is the trickier one). i usually have him maxed out in the middle of act two, despite my hawkes pretty much always being mage-supportive. you just have to not be a jerk about his past and he loves you. really, he and anders are both ridiculously easy to befriend

He comes across to me as possibly the deepest companion characterization in DAII.  Certainly he seems to be the deepest LI.  I feel like he's willing to accept and befriend a pro-mage Hawke because what he really wants is to be valued and accepted as a person - including being able to disagree on one issue without having his opinions dismissed or belittled.  He's even willing to admit that his view of mages is skewed;  I believe his exact line is, "I imagine some are good and noble men, able to resist temptation.  But how many temptations can a man withstand?"  Something along those lines, anyway.

[Qun00]

The fact that Fenris is mostly serious and angry really makes those few moments snarky Hawke gets a laugh out of him special.

It's just so heartwarming when he smiles.

[springacres]

The fact that Fenris is mostly serious and angry really makes those few moments snarky Hawke gets a laugh out of him special.

It's just so heartwarming when he smiles.

And laughs.  And takes you into his confidence.  And when a romanced Fenris shows up to comfort Hawke after All That Remains.

 

He's the reason I've been able to attempt multiple DA2 playthroughs... enough said.

[Fenris8]

@Qun00  Rivalry is easy to get, and I had some problems on my recent playthrough. it's not a minefield, rather it's how much % he gets to and trust. Did you know about the need for the 'Speak to fenris' questioning beliefs on the Fog warriors part? It has to be before Hadrianna. if not won't have the chance to romance him at the house, he will run off. So I did Dissent, anders' one where u make the girl return to the circle (as Fen approves when u take the safe option, not release them all) =)  Then yup he will be loyal to u. Earns 20 points.

 

haha like a maths quiz

[Catilina]

Yea if u spare the sister, he's supposedly pissed so 15 rivalry also no extra talk time with him at the house. If u allow him to kill her, have the talk. My friend and I cowrote this fenhawk isabela rivlary stuff want to check it out? 

 

http://archiveofouro...hapters/9980144

No. You do not need allow him, tho kill his sister, if you play as "good" person. Fenris is not too good at the making of the such decisions. Remember: Feris did not want to kill Hadriana (gave his word that he leaves it in a life) and he was not satisfied with having killed Hadriana after all. Why do you think, he was happy, if he kill his sister...

 

Just bring Varric on quests.

[Fenris8]

 Catalina, No I did not think he was happy but for my version there's no chance to visit him at his house if varania walks away. -15 rivalry and he will be mad at Hawk. After so much angst and hurt, it's a relief, a purging for him to kill her. I do rem Hadri, that ****** and most fans know he was lying when he said I give u my word. You can actually tell he wants to annihilate her. She denied him meals :00

heck when I have gastric I FEel for elfie

[Catilina]

 Catalina, No I did not think he was happy but for my version there's no chance to visit him at his house if varania walks away. -15 rivalry and he will be mad at Hawk. After so much angst and hurt, it's a relief, a purging for him to kill her. I do rem Hadri, that ****** and most fans know he was lying when he said I give u my word. You can actually tell he wants to annihilate her. She denied him meals :00

heck when I have gastric I FEel for elfie

Hmm... my Fenris maybe bugged then... I always asked Fenris to spare his sister.

[springacres]

 Catalina, No I did not think he was happy but for my version there's no chance to visit him at his house if varania walks away. -15 rivalry and he will be mad at Hawk. After so much angst and hurt, it's a relief, a purging for him to kill her. I do rem Hadri, that ****** and most fans know he was lying when he said I give u my word. You can actually tell he wants to annihilate her. She denied him meals :00

heck when I have gastric I FEel for elfie

 

 

Hmm... my Fenris maybe bugged then... I always asked Fenris to spare his sister.

No, I think the Act 3 Questioning Beliefs quest (the chance to talk to him at his house) requires a certain level of either friendship or rivalry.  So it could be that when FenrisB spared Varania, Fenris' approval level dropped enough that Act 3 Questioning Beliefs won't trigger.  However, I typically have his friendship maxed out by the middle of Act 2, so convincing him to spare Varania is never a problem for me.

 

I personally think the fact that you can talk him out of killing his sister, Hadriana, or both at all shows how deeply conflicted he is.  He wants to kill them both, he believes they both deserve to die, and yet he's willing to listen to a Hawke who tells him not to kill one or both of them.  I've always left Hadriana's fate up to him and told him to spare his sister, and to me, his reaction after he killed Hadriana is that of someone who's just discovered a side of himself he doesn't like at all.  I headcanon that even if it feels right to him now to kill his sister, not only would Hawke look at him differently, but ultimately he himself would come to regret it.

 

That's why I like him so much as a character, in all honesty.  Even on the friendship path, you get glimpses of his struggles with himself

[Catilina]

True, but Fenris feels not too good, when he killed Hadriana.

Fenris gave his word, but was not able to control his anger.

 

Then: if you want to play as "good" character, you "need" to try to stop him to kill his sister. If you play as "good" person, and do not try that, you have an easy way to avoid the rivalry with Fenris. Easy, but cheap, i think.

 

AND: Varric can help you.

[springacres]

Really?  Huh.  I never realized that having Varric back you up could negate the rivalry gain from having Fenris spare Varania.  But like I said above, I'm usually at a point where I don't have to worry about rivalry gains anyway.

[Catilina]

Really?  Huh.  I never realized that having Varric back you up could negate the rivalry gain from having Fenris spare Varania.  But like I said above, I'm usually at a point where I don't have to worry about rivalry gains anyway.

Spoiler

VARRIC: "Elf... Fenris, trust me: this is the last thing you want to do"

 

Plus you gain friendpoints: from Sebastian +5, Varric +10... and Fenris dont will hate you. Happy Ending.  

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[springacres]

Spoiler

VARRIC: "Elf... Fenris, trust me: this is the last thing you want to do"

 

Plus you gain friendpoints: from Sebastian +5, Varric +10... and Fenris dont will hate you. Happy Ending.  

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The things I miss by maxing out everyone's friendship or rivalry as soon as possible.  I knew about Varric's line, because I've had him talk Fenris out of it before, just not how it affected Fenris' feelings about sparing his sister.  (I also like that it's the one time Varric actually calls Fenris by name.)

[Catilina]

The things I miss by maxing out everyone's friendship or rivalry as soon as possible.  I knew about Varric's line, because I've had him talk Fenris out of it before, just not how it affected Fenris' feelings about sparing his sister.  (I also like that it's the one time Varric actually calls Fenris by name.)

I like that scene, very much it's personal.