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[Wynne]

*peeks in* Ohhhhhh Tiffy!!!! That is ridiculously gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous! One of the best I've seen, and there was some seriously nice stuff out there already.



That's a hard angle to do on his face, but it still looks like him; impressive. You rock so very much.

[Drima]

While someone back there was mentioning something about staying with hardened Alistair I had that random thought:
Do you think Fenris will be harden-able? And if yes, about what?

I remember Valen and his talking about wanting to be a good man and being afraid of loosing his humanity again and such and I wander if Fenris would be confused about his real character, in that context. Like if he enjoyed being a killing machine while in Magisters hands or something.

Modifié par Drima, 11 janvier 2011 - 04:33 .

[Miserysky]

I have wondered this too. Perhaps he my also have a sense of worthlessness not in an emo way but in a "I have but one purpose and if I can't do that (ie kill) then I'm useless" kind of way. Maybe hardening is like Leliana reversed. Except instead of running from his nature he is being self destructive. Maybe I see him too much like a Sten/zev hybrid. Depending how early he was enslaved maybe he doesn't even identify with human emotions. *shrug*

[Cutlasskiwi]

Jaw drop in 3, 2, 1  



That is such a beautiful picture Tamyn! I think it might be my favorite so far and can't wait to see the finished product.

[Chagrinned Goat]

Drima wrote...
Do you think Fenris will be harden-able? And if yes, about what?

I remember Valen and his talking about wanting to be a good man and being afraid of loosing his humanity again and such and I wander if Fenris would be confused about his real character, in that context. Like if he enjoyed being a killing machine while in Magisters hands or something.

I'm not sure if his enjoying "being a killing machine" would necessarily come down to that. After all, as far as he's aware, that's what he is. Of course, I suppose that depends on how much of his memory he has or how much is uncovered in the game. It also gets a bit into nature vs. nurture, I suppose.

Maera Imrov wrote...
That kind of thing is great in a book or
movie, but in my games, where I tend to be role-playing, it'd kill any
subsequent playthroughs for me. I may or may not enjoy the darkness for
that one, but the game would be gutted for the others. I usually only
end up liking *one* of the LIs, and if turned out to be the one that
never would work out, I just don't do it. I'd probably never play the
game but the once, and end up disappointed, with a bit of a bitter taste
in my mouth. Others may enjoy having something like that after 40+
hours on a character, but I wouldn't. At all. Now in a book or movie, I
eat it up. Odd how that is, I guess.

Case in point: Alistair and
anyone who isn't HNF. I don't even bother to romance anyone on my
Dwarf/Elves, and to that end, have never managed to finish a playthrough
of those.

And yes, the love story really *is* that central to my
enjoyment of the narrative. This has been true for any RP, fanfic, or
game you get me into.

I usually end up liking most characters, interestingly. It's usually very, very easy for me to find lists of things to dislike, but I always end up liking at least the party members in Bioware games. (Single exception: Space Kanye.) I'm one of the seemingly few who love Oghren, even. I even wish he were an LI. [insert shocked gasps and shrieks of revulsion here]

I think role playing a character makes it easier to resist LI plots, though. Especially in Origins. Like, say, a female Dwarven Noble who expressed an interest Gorim. In a matter of months, she is stripped of her name, title, and the presence of the one person in Orzammar who she is closest to. She manages to escape with Duncan, only to find out that her exile was possibly a death sentence anyway with the Grey Wardens' Joining. The commander of Orzammars armies then gets sent on an errand quest, and while this great warrior is running around a tower, once again everything that she is gets taken away in one fell swoop. (And as we all know, swooping is bad.) There is only one possible link left to her old life. When she finally catches up with him, she finds out he's moved on. He's marrried and expecting a child.

Personally, I'd think she'd be more interested in making friends than lovers. What would be most appealing is a kind of stability you're not likely to find in an intimate relationship forged on the road out of convenience. Forget that most dwarves have a mindset so mired in traditions that they wouldn't allow themselves to even consider a relationship with another species.

The same goes for a female Dalish involved with Tamlen, especially with their fateful reunion. (Are there any male variation that have romantic interests in the Origin itself? I don't think so, not considering Human Noble. Dairren and Iona, especially Iona, are more like one night stands.) All of the Origins have everything taken away from them twice, and the fact that they're emotionally healthy enough to form a relationship that could last at all is suprising. I'd think actually role playing the character would make it easier to play the game without investing time in an LI.

[ankuu]

Oha! I missed lots! >

I see Merrill as a Tali equivalent too. Cute and a walking dictionary. If Fen is not as tall as FHawke just get Merrill and Varric to join you, he will appear waaay taller xD But to me it doesn't matter, he is sexy as hell (i bet they didn't expected us to consider sexy even a table slam).

I love that comic PoisonTheCity!

Tamyn, if that's just a preview, i think i will fall over when i see the finished one <3

Modifié par ankuu, 11 janvier 2011 - 05:13 .

[Maera Imrov]

@Chagrinned Goat (don't want a massive quote wall )

My dwarf noble lady, actually, yeah, I wasn't wanting to have her romance anyone, because of what had happened to her. And because of Gorim. In fact, that he moved on so relatively quickly kind of agitated me.

But my HNF, I didn't mess with Dairren and have never been a shipper of her with that one knight guy who's name eludes me at the moment. It felt very natural to me for her to eventually come to care for Alistair. My DNF, no. That one I could finish easily, I just got lazy. It's my mage, and to a lesser extent, a Dalish I once rolled, that I just lost interest in, because there was no one really to romance. I didn't really 'feel' the Tamlen thing in the Dalish, but that's just me. Keeping Anora on the throne is a non-option. Being a mistress is something none of my ladies would have agreed to, and would have been insulted if it was even offered.

I like every character in the game more or less, but I don't like every LI as a LI, if that makes sense. I like Jacob in ME2. He's a good, honest man and he gets respect from me for being so upfront. But as a LI, I have no interest in him. I never have. I've only really romanced Thane, and I ran through Garrus' once just to see it, but I couldn't really do it. I have Garrus so firmly locked into a fraternal sort of love for my canon Shep, that attempting anything romantic felt really wrong. I adore Garrus. He's very much a main character in the story of my Shep's life, and I'm a massive Garrus fangirl, but I can never see him in a LI-mindset.

Roleplaying for me has to involve a romance. I've been told by some bitter, jaded people on my forum that it can be a crutch in that regard, but I couldn't care less. I have much less interest in my character and its story if I'm forbidden from cooking up a love interest for them, or making one with someone else's character. In fact, I just never joined RPs where romance was forbidden.

With the Dwarf, she could have had one in her past in Gorim, and lost him, and be bitter about that.. And I just can't ship Dwarves with taller folk anyway, so really, I can see the Dwarf one being fine. But the others, no. Zevran doesn't do me for a LI, and s/s is something I don't do, because being straight, I can't relate to it in the least. Which is another thing: I have to have some relation with what I'm roleplaying. I applaud those who can play things so drastically different from themselves, but I have difficulty doing it for extended periods of time. Brief stints, yes. A whole character for hours (in a game) or months (in a forum rp)? No. If that makes me somehow a lesser roleplayer, again, not really concerned. I do it as a hobby, and for my own enjoyment, not to make an artform out of it.

Modifié par Maera Imrov, 11 janvier 2011 - 06:28 .

[tankgirly]

*Sigh* Once again when I am back the thread slow down.







By coolloser15

[ankuu]

Yeah that thing always happens for me...whenever i am here, the thread is inactive.

[tankgirly]

ankuu wrote...

Yeah that thing always happens for me...whenever i am here, the thread is inactive.

Must be the time zone thing.

[Calla S]

I'm actually warming up to the idea of having Fenris as an LI. It took some thought-chewing, but I think I've figured out what character I had in mind that I could pair him with. Then again, I'd be going down the rivalry romance path. Anyone else here going for rivalrymance first, should he be an LI? Or is it squishy rainbows and whatnot for everyone?

Modifié par Calla S, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:59 .

[MarginalBeast]

Calla S wrote...

I'm actually warming up to the idea of having Fenris as an LI. It took some thought-chewing, but I think I've figured out what character I had in mind that I could pair him with. Then again, I'd be going down the rivalry romance path. Anyone else here going for rivalrymance first, should he be an LI? Or is it squishy rainbows and whatnot for everyone?

Well...how could we possibly know? We don't know what the rivalry path for any of the followers really entails.

Drima wrote...

While someone back there was mentioning something about staying with hardened Alistair I had that random thought:
Do you think Fenris will be harden-able? And if yes, about what?

Well, you can change the minds of your companions if you successfully complete their rivalry path, apparently. But "hardened" in the same sense that Alistair and Leliana were? Meh, I hope not. It was a cool concept, but in my opinion it was executed poorly. Hardening them felt very forced; they shouldn't change their stance so drastically just after a couple of lines from the PC. Like for example: Alistair starts out as being opposed to a threesome, but if you're an **** to him after his personal quest he'll suddenly be all for it? What? How are those two things even related? And that's just one example.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:09 .

[Calla S]

People plan these things out. Even if we aren't 100% sure, there's still the possibility that someone might nudge their characters one way or another once they begin playing them. I know I'm not the only one who thinks of these things.

[Sanctuary74]

@Calla, I always play a rogue first, but when I play as a mage I will definitely try the Rivalry path, if he is indeed a LI.

[Calla S]

DalishAssassin wrote...
@Calla, I always play a rogue first, but when I play as a mage I will definitely try the Rivalry path, if he is indeed a LI.

That's precisely what I was thinking. I have an opportunistic (and, I'll admit, slightly sociopathic *cough 'evil' playthrough cough*) mage Lady Hawke in mind that might very well fit the Rivalry path, if he's an LI.

[tankgirly]

I always play a mage, which is precisely what I am going to do.

[MarginalBeast]

Calla S wrote...

People plan these things out. Even if we aren't 100% sure, there's still the possibility that someone might nudge their characters one way or another once they begin playing them. I know I'm not the only one who thinks of these things.

I know, I'm not talking about Hawke's personality or anything like that. But how can we plan to choose a certain path for a companion? We don't know what Fenris--or any of the other characters for that matter--is really like. We don't know what his rivalry path will be like. People are assuming that being a mage will make you rivals with him, but I somehow doubt it will be that simple. So it just seems odd to me that people will determine beforehand which path they want to take. It's not really the same as deciding your Hawke's general demeanor beforehand.

I'm not implying that anyone shouldn't plan out everything they want to do. Knock yourselves out. But with such little information, it seems rather pointless to me.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:17 .

[Calla S]

It's not simply the fact that she's going to be a mage, you realize. I'm fairly sure he's got more depth than that, as simple "mage hating" is usually reserved for NPCs. I'm banking on the fact that everyone will probably dislike my mage should they figure out what she's really like. It's not pretty. She doesn't even much like the Circle herself and will likely side with the Templars, should it come to that, if she believes they'll stay out of her hair. It's more of an assumption that he'll disagree with her way of doing things as opposed to the fact that she can shoot lightning out of her fingertips.

[ankuu]

I think that if you play as a mage you are going to have some trouble anyway (and i will start as a one). I don't know how the rivalry thing works but i usually play good characters first. After i've enjoyed the story and satisfied my curiosities i go wild xD I kill mages, i free demons, i kill Connor...ah the fun! >8D

[tankgirly]

*suddenly wonder if Connor will appear in DAII*



Other than the accidental first playthrough, I never killed Connor.

[Wynne]

Drima wrote...
Do you think Fenris will be harden-able? And if yes, about what?

About the level of the center of his pants seam, if we're lucky. *ba-dum ching!*

Calla S wrote...

I'm actually warming up to the idea of
having Fenris as an LI. It took some thought-chewing, but I think I've
figured out what character I had in mind that I could pair him with.
Then again, I'd be going down the rivalry romance path. Anyone else here
going for rivalrymance first, should he be an LI? Or is it squishy
rainbows and whatnot for everyone?

WOOT! Seems we've both crossed over to the dark side then, so to speak.

At this point, I'm not really sure. The rivalry tempts me, but I'm such a soft fluffy marshmallow person that I'd probably start out like I always do: smothering him with those sweet squishy rainbows because he had a crappy past. Then again, it depends entirely on how he reacts--if he shows forbearance and tells his story I'll be kind, but if he started out harsh and didn't tell me why, I'd be harsh right back. Same with Seb. I love the rivalry/friendship differences either way, though; I'm sure I'll have a rivalry with somebody each playthrough, regardless of who it might be. I'm looking forward to having a rivalry with Isabela in particular.

[ankuu]

tankgirly wrote...

*suddenly wonder if Connor will appear in DAII*

Other than the accidental first playthrough, I never killed Connor.

You should try a crazy playthrough once :OWith Morri and Zevran in the party. They are like "Yeah! GO GIRL! Kill em!". But it isn't a save i would import...i was a shame for the Grey Wardens xD

I am a fluffy marshmellow as well :blush:Still i love when a girl and a boy figh and then end up loving eachother...that happened to me and my bf.

I usually don't make plans for playthrough. I never say "I am going to be a person that hates elves/chantry and whatnot". I just go with the flow in every playthrough. And experiment different outcomes, reactions, lines etc.

Modifié par ankuu, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .

[Calla S]

Wynne wrote...
WOOT! Seems we've both crossed over to the dark side then, so to speak.

At this point, I'm not really sure. The rivalry tempts me, but I'm such a soft fluffy marshmallow person that I'd probably start out like I always do: smothering him with those sweet squishy rainbows because he had a crappy past. Then again, it depends entirely on how he reacts--if he shows forbearance and tells his story I'll be kind, but if he started out harsh and didn't tell me why, I'd be harsh right back. Same with Seb. I love the rivalry/friendship differences either way, though; I'm sure I'll have a rivalry with somebody each playthrough, regardless of who it might be. I'm looking forward to having a rivalry with Isabela in particular.

Hahaha, it appears so! Damn my inability to remain hesitant. I was going to at least wait until I heard his VA. Oh well!

Yeah, I'm a soft fluffy marshmallow person, too. Which is why playing such a ****y mage character is going to be a challenge, but she's here. And she wants to be paired with Fenris. And she wants to have her romp through the Free Marches written, too. Demanding character is demanding. Sigh. If she ends up being my first playthrough instead of my sweetheart rogue, I'm going to be sort of a little upset. Hahah.

I do love the idea of rivalries, though. It's such an intriguing concept, to have a character actually fight back about their beliefs and not just leave in a huff. It shows strength, imo, and the rivalry romance path is way too juicy to let go of. Even if I do end up making a squishy mage-love for him not too long after. Because I'll feel bad. 

[SaberBloodwork]

*rises hand for going for the rivalry romance first, if there's one*



I also have a mage Hawke for him. She won't be 'evil', so to say, but more of an egoist who just goes for what she wants and does whatever it takes to gain it. Her rise to power will be more out of wanting to be above other mages and templars who could have her killed, imprisoned or made tranquil.



But I guess I'll see how it goes in the game. Who knows? Maybe my Hawke will turn out to be something else?

[dirtsa90]

I'll start out with a mage Hawkette who is going to be chaotic good or as close to that as possible but she will have one hell of a temper if I'm able to do that in the game.



I can't really say if I'm going to play a rivalry or a friendship romance not without knowing the LI's a little better (or actually knowing who it is :oP)