The Official Fenris Discussion thread
#8826
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:33
Ahem... necrotopic..
The canadian accent comment made my rofl. I am canadian and I totally got it.
Picturing Gaider being chased by a herd of fan girls makes me happy. Would it be a "herd" of fangirls? Maybe a "gaggle" or a "pride" or maybe a "murder" of fan girls?
#8827
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:37
littlenikki wrote...
Edit: As for questions, my obsession right now is with Fenris's armorWhy the feathers man? Oh! And can I have his belt?
I was thinking about this earlier. If I understand correctly, the companions' "armor"look will change during the game. I am getting quite attached to Fenris' and I am not sure I want a different look for him.
#8828
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:40
If they're silly and giggly, they're a gaggle of fangirls.
If they're kind of reserved and mostly vegetarian, they're a herd.
If they are tall, strong and loudmouthed, they're a pride.
IF they carry poisons and other tools of torture, they're most likely a murder of fan girls... XD
#8829
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:42
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think herd, gaggle, pride or murder should be used depending on the type of group.
If they're silly and giggly, they're a gaggle of fangirls.
If they're kind of reserved and mostly vegetarian, they're a herd.
If they are tall, strong and loudmouthed, they're a pride.
IF they carry poisons and other tools of torture, they're most likely a murder of fan girls... XD
WHAT ARE WE THEN?!
A gagetariprider of fangirls?
#8830
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:42
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think herd, gaggle, pride or murder should be used depending on the type of group.
If they're silly and giggly, they're a gaggle of fangirls.
If they're kind of reserved and mostly vegetarian, they're a herd.
If they are tall, strong and loudmouthed, they're a pride.
IF they carry poisons and other tools of torture, they're most likely a murder of fan girls... XD
This.
#8831
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:47
If any else comes up with new questions, or have ones that they forgot about and wanted to post, The Master copy will be edited to put these questions in.
If anyone has objections to the wording, or what not, SPEAK UP! This a GROUP thing, and we do not want to be dissapointed when Gaider comes around as a Fenris fan group as a whole!
-Edit 1/20/11- All Questions that are answered will be put a quote in, and page to ref it too.
Fenris Questions to ask David Gaider
1. How tall is Fenris Compared to Fem!Hawke?
David Gaider wrote...
I don't know. I've never compared the two. I think elves are now the same height as humans, so he'd be a bit taller than FemHawke, but I could be wrong.
Page 402
2. Will Fenris ever wear shoes?
David Gaider wrote...
No. The artists have this thing about elves and shoes. Don't get me started.
page 402, top
3. How Fenris will react initially to a Mage!Hawke?
4. Who decides the VA for all the characters?
David Gaider wrote...
It's between myself, the Lead
Designer (Mike) and the VO Producer (Caroline) for any major characters.
Caroline decides the others on her own (though she will seek out
approval from time to time, or clarification if she's unsure what
someone needs).
For major characters we start either with a
suggestion, if someone has a particular VA in mind, or with the bible
entry that determines things like apparent age, accent, role in the
story, etc. At that point Caroline would start rounding up suitable
candidates (either from actors she knows about or through casting
agents-- she searches around a lot) and will get Mike and myself
(and sometimes the other writers, who I will get involved if it's their
character) to listen and make suggestions on who could be a good pick.
Sometimes it works, sometimes we try someone out and recast. Sometimes
we recast after a lot of recording has been done, but that's a hard
decision.
Every now and again, if it's a hard role, we'll make up
an audition script and send it out to casting agents so they can have
actors send in audition recordings for that role specifically (which is a
bit easier to discern, as opposed to listening to commercials or other
characters they did and trying to figure out if they have the range to
do the character you want).
page 402
5. What type of accent, like in real world regions, (like greek, spanish, french... etc..) does he have?
6. Does he have anger Issues?
7. What are his "meditation comments"? Not specifically his exact lines, but the general idea?
8. How soon in-game do we meet Fenris?
9. Are the "meditative" things he says in combat something he says to deal with his anger? Is it self advice? Something that was beaten in him?
10. Give us a specific line he says in Tevinter.
11. What is his real name? And what is his last name if he has one?
12. Why does Fenris have feathers on his armor?
13. How does Fenris feel about blood magic?
14. What tasks did his master make Fenris carry out?
15. What his feelings towards other elves and the chantry?
16. How/Where did Fenris get his sword?
17. Was Fenris born into slavery or was he made a slave later in life?
18. Is Fenris' hair is naturally white or is it effected by the lyrium?
19. Does Fenris like the Jets or the Steelers?
20. Will Fenris' lyrium branding affect any mages in the party?
21. As far as Fenris's character, are you happy with the amount of story to him? I'm not trying to dig for how involved he'll be but I know there are cuts made and such that can sometimes take away from a character. I remember there being a scene with Morrigan that you had Aimo draw because it was left out of the game. Do you wish you could add more or do you usually feel satisfied with the way things end up?
22. How Old is Fenris?
23. In DA:O, companions sometimes reacted when you got involved in sidequests, ie Morrigan was annoyed when you tried to help people, but Alistair usually supported you. Will Fenris make any snarky comments, approve of you helping people, or simply be apathetic?
24. If Thedas had universities, what would Fenris study (assuming he had to go)?
25. If fenris was in a talent show what would he do?
26. Is Fenris' voice actor using his own genuine accent or putting one on (eg. like Zevran's) ?
27. Does Fenris' Tattoos give off any heat, or any type of radiation?
-[Misc. Questions]-
1. Cookies, Ser Gaider?
2. Can we have his belt?
-[Other Answered Questions]-
David Gaider wrote...
Dr. Doctor wrote...
The
one question that I have for Dave, is how do you go about creating a
character like Fenris? Is the major plot of the story hammered out
before characters are introduced, or are general character profiles
introduced before moving along with the story?
There are two things that need to exist when creating a companion:
1) A place in the story.
2) A hook.
#1
doesn't always happen if #2 is really strong, so sometimes we forget...
and then we regret it later on. A place in the story means that there
is something going on in the plot (or one of the plots) that is very
central to what that character is about. They care about it, so you do
too. Plots can be abstract things, especially when they relate to a
world you have only a vicarious stake in, so followers serve to
personify those conflicts.
But #2 is enough. There has to be a
hook-- for me, not the player. Something that I want to say with a
character, either a moment I know I want them to have, a twist on a
romantic archetype, a thing that they have which makes me excited
to write them. If there isn't a hook, no matter what we do the
character will be boring. That can happen, too, in which case you have
to create a hook. For yourself. Nobody else needs to care about it.
For
Morrigan, the hook was the Dark Ritual. I knew that moment would exist
almost before the rest of the game did. Alistair didn't start off having
a hook, and I realized it after I began writing him. He was a
distrustful, surly sort and I hated it. So... what to do? I wanted to
make his dialogue fun, the sort of person who guys wouldn't hate because
he was a buddy. Since I was watching BtVS at the time, it came to me
when I was (predictably) analyzing Joss Whedon's method of delivering
dialogue. Anachronistic, sure, but could it be done in fantasy...? I
wanted to try.
There was a hook for Fenris, but I can't tell you
what it is yet. It's a spoiler. The tattoos came later (and, amusingly,
before I even saw Jack), but there was an element to Fenris that made me
want to write him. His #1 is also significant, which is important as I
mandated that every DA2 character would need a #1. It's a more personal
story, after all, without a "YOU MUST SAVE THE WORLD NO YOU MUST" thing
going on-- and thus the ciphers are that much more important.
Everything
else after that fact is just mechanics and plot documents. And finding
the voice. That's separate and not always easy, and sometimes doesn't
come until you hit the Moment-- which could happen right away or halfway
through writing the character.
David Gaider wrote...
YouBoxers, Briefs or Commando for Fenris?
could ask that about any character. I'm of the opinion that people in
Thedas don't really wear underwear, per se... maybe a slip for girls and
"small shorts" for men... but the artists disagree. So I suppose boxers
would be the best answer.
Modifié par MagneticDawn, 25 janvier 2011 - 06:19 .
#8832
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:49
I'll try to remember 354. If I'm up when the Poobah's on, I'll quote them.
#8833
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:53
Or you could just copy and paste them, I doubt he will answer them all..
=edit=
Answer them all at one, that is..
Modifié par MagneticDawn, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:56 .
#8834
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 07:56
kwintessa wrote...
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think herd, gaggle, pride or murder should be used depending on the type of group.
If they're silly and giggly, they're a gaggle of fangirls.
If they're kind of reserved and mostly vegetarian, they're a herd.
If they are tall, strong and loudmouthed, they're a pride.
IF they carry poisons and other tools of torture, they're most likely a murder of fan girls... XD
WHAT ARE WE THEN?!
A gagetariprider of fangirls?
I think flock is good for this thread... We're a huuge flock of fangirls, that can be further divided into the herders, the gagglers, the proud and the murderers...
#8835
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:00
#8836
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:00
#8837
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:00
#8838
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:01
smallNightmare wrote...
after reading this topic for 352! pages (damn, don't I have anything better to do?) and posting only twice! I can agree with Mr. Gaider about the topic being crazy, but it's a kind of crazy I like. anyway here's a short story that was supposed to be about the rain but somehow got out of hand, word of warning, I'm not good at writing "cute" things, sorry if it's a bit rough and boyish:
Fenris slowly left the bed. He turned around and
looked at Marian, or champion, as others called her, sleeping soundly. A sudden
rush of guilt made him look away. He didn’t like sneaking away alone at night,
especially after she had went through the trouble of helping him find some
clues about the Tevinter magister that was his former master. “This is the most
practical way” he thought to himself, “the magister can sense it if any mage
gets too close, he’s always expecting assassins”, turning around he looked at
her one final time “this is safer as well” he thought before picking his sword
and leaving the tent.
The camp was in the middle of a forest, with trees
so tall that sunlight never reached the ground. Fenris looked around, Carver
had the first watch that night, but mercifully he was fat sleep near the fire.
Isabella was probably sleeping as well, although she didn’t need to keep watch.
He walked away from the camp as quietly as he could, then when he was sure no
one could hear him, he started running towards the Tevinter ruins where the
magister was supposed to be. He had already memorized a map which Varric had
managed to dig up. When he was about half way to the ruins, it started raining,
slowly at first, but it got worse by the second. By the time Fenris was at the
edge of the ruins, it had turned into a storm.
It was impossible to miss the ruins; a structure
made of white marble about one meter above the forest was not something you see
every day in a forest such as this. It must have been the remains of a small
fort, or a big house. The marble floor looked grand, but it still showed the
touch of ages. In many places, the marble had broken and grass and even some
trees had grown. The trees weren’t as tall as the other parts of the forest. It
couldn’t have been more than a few decades ago that the marble had finally
given in, allowing the trees to start growing while the forest itself was
centuries old. Fenris could see clearly from between the trees. There was an
altar right in the middle of the structure, covered with shining arcane runes
and the magister stood before it, seemingly oblivious to the world around him,
his staff laying on the ground in front of the alter.
Fenris moved quietly towards the altar. The heavy
rain masked any sound he might have made. When he was right behind the
magister, who didn’t seem to have noticed anything busy as he was examining the
altar, he raised his sword, slowly and quietly and then brought it down with
full force. He could feel that he had
hit something, but didn’t hear the sound of metal cutting flesh. When he looked
up, he saw that the sword had struck some king of invisible magical barrier
which was a few centimeters away from magister’s back. “Did you really think
that I would leave myself open?” said the magister without even turning around.
Surprised, Fenris jumped back a few steps, getting
ready to attack. The magister finally turned around, almost reluctantly.
Griping his sword with both hands, Fenris started to attack. The magister
raised his right hand and pointed at him. Suddenly he was unable to move, like
he was trapped inside a cage, with a heavy force crushing down on him. Unable
to withstand the pressure, Fenris kneeled on the marble ground. The magister
picked up his staff and started to walk toward him. Remembering the horrors
that he had suffered in the magister’s hands, Fenris summoned all his strength
and throw his sword at him. The magister was so surprised that he couldn’t
dodge or raise a magical defense in time, but Fenris’s aim was a little off,
the sword made a deep cut in the magister’s side, instead of striking him at
his heart.
Quickly regaining his footing, the magister touched
the wound with his hand, and it healed in an instant. Smiling, he looked Fenris
in the eye, “May I ask what made you think that it was a good idea to throw
your only weapon away, leaving yourself defenseless?”, he started walking
closer to him, “well, not that you had any chance to begin with, but this was
rather stupid, don’t you think. I was going to retrieve you and bring you back
to my tower, but if this is the best you can do, then I guess you are just a
failed experiment. I’ll dispose of you now so that I’m not troubled later”.
Standing right in front of Fenris, the magister raised his staff. Suddenly the
rain stopped. For a moment Fenris thought that it was the magister’s doing, but
he looked just as surprises. Looking up, he saw that the rain hadn’t actually
stopped. It was like an invisible hand was holding the rain drops in mid-air
and moving them closer together. They joined together forming many long shapes
that looked strangely familiar. “Daggers!” said the magister, in an excited
voice “how clever!”
As if his voice was a command, the water daggers
turned white, freezing in mid-air and then rushed together towards the
magister. He raised his staff, but there were too many of them. They hit in a
cloud of water drops and powdered ice that concealed the magister from Fenris’s
view. The rain started again and the force holding him down was lifted so he
stumbled to stand up, looking about at the same time for his rescuer. Marian
was standing right behind him, with her staff in hand, panting slightly. “Why
did you follow me?” said Fenris, sounding annoyed. “Now’s not the time Fen, I
don’t think he’s gone” Marian answered. “But How…?” Fenris started to ask, but
before he could finish his sentence, a giant flame rose from the direction of
the magister. It created a flaming circle around all three of them, and then
rose into the sky to form a fire storm. The heat was intolerable. The rain
drops would evaporate in mid-air before getting a chance to hit the ground. Marian whispered some quick words and the rain
drops all around them started to rotate around instead of falling down, and
then they froze creating a snow storm that quenched the flames.
When things settled down, they saw the magister was
standing a few meters away from them, blood coming out from many small wounds
he has suffered from Marian’s first attack. He looked shaken, mud covering his
fancy cloths, but he was sliming. He sent a jet of blood towards Fenris. Marian
reacted, standing in front of him and creating a magical shield. The blood
however didn’t stop; it broke through the shield and wounded Marian in the
shoulder. “And to think I’m forced to use blood magic against someone such as
you, you have found a new master it seems and a powerful one at that”. “He’s no
longer a slave” said Marian, “I’m not his master either, he’s my…”but before
she could finish her sentence, her legs gave away. Fenris hurried to her,
catching her before she could fall to the ground. “Where are you sister?” came
carver’s voice from nearby. “I think they are this way!” it was Isabella. “More
help?” said the magister, “it seems I’m all out of luck tonight. I’ll see you around;
you’ll make for an interesting specimen no matter where you are after all”. He
said before turning into a giant vulture and disappearing inside to forest,
almost at the same moment that Carver entered the ruins from the opposite direction.
The rain started to fall freely again and the sounds
of the storm returned. It seemed like the rain drops were eager to reach the ground
before another spell could affect them. Carver rushed to Fenris’s side that was
still holding Marian, looking at the wound at her shoulder, he said “What
happened sister? Why are you not healing your wound? And who was that mage?” “Easy
Carver” answered Marian in a weak voice “I’m a bit drained at the moment, I can
fix that later, we can bandage it up for now”. Carver took some bandages from
his pack and wanted to treat the wound but Fenris stooped him “I’ll take care
of that, you keep watch, and try not to sleep this time” grumbling, Carver
walked away. Fenris started to bandage the wound, trying to stop the bleeding. To
distract her from the pain, he said “I didn’t know you could do magic this
powerful, all that business with the ice daggers and the snow storm” while
looking at the wound. “Neither did I, but I had to do something, it did drain
me a little, but it worked in the end.” Marian answered, still sounding weak.
“But how did you find me in that forest so fast?” “Well, magic obviously. I
woke up and you weren’t there and I was worried, so …” her face turned red a
little, taking a deep breath she continued “I just tracked the places where
rain couldn’t fall into the ground, one of them was you, and then I just had to
get to you”. “And how did you know which one was me?” Fenris said, now trying
to bandage the wound while keeping the rain away. “Like I said, it wasn’t hard”
said Marian, blushing “I can remember the shape of your body even in my sleep
after all”
*goes to hide and see how this is recived
Lovely story.
Filed
#8839
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:01
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
kwintessa wrote...
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think herd, gaggle, pride or murder should be used depending on the type of group.
If they're silly and giggly, they're a gaggle of fangirls.
If they're kind of reserved and mostly vegetarian, they're a herd.
If they are tall, strong and loudmouthed, they're a pride.
IF they carry poisons and other tools of torture, they're most likely a murder of fan girls... XD
WHAT ARE WE THEN?!
A gagetariprider of fangirls?
I think flock is good for this thread... We're a huuge flock of fangirls, that can be further divided into the herders, the gagglers, the proud and the murderers...
Hmm, good point!
#8840
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:02
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think flock is good for this thread... We're a huuge flock of fangirls, that can be further divided into the herders, the gagglers, the proud and the murderers...
You forgot about swarm of lurkers, who are probably constantly circling around this thread
#8841
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:05
Thiev wrote...
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think flock is good for this thread... We're a huuge flock of fangirls, that can be further divided into the herders, the gagglers, the proud and the murderers...
You forgot about swarm of lurkers, who are probably constantly circling around this thread
Hmmm... good point!
Alright, it is time....
ALL LURKERS COME OUT NOW! WE WISH TO SEE WHO YOU ARE!
Even if you have nothing to say, just introduce yourself!
#8842
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:06
lnicol1900 wrote...
Um... about the prompt. Is there a word limit on the short stories? Would it be easier for me to post it on my FanFiction.net account and link it? I have this feeling that it's going to be a bit long. My usual chapter lengths do tend to hit around 3'000.
I wonder how long we have to get into the game before we meet Fenris. Not too long, I hope.
Humph...in that case you might need to post it elsewhere and post a link here.
@ MagneticDawn, me likey.
#8843
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:07
Thiev wrote...
FenrisDeSolar wrote...
I think flock is good for this thread... We're a huuge flock of fangirls, that can be further divided into the herders, the gagglers, the proud and the murderers...
You forgot about swarm of lurkers, who are probably constantly circling around this thread
Well, lurkers are just so good at lurking that I never notice that they're here, but alrighty-ho!
#8844
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:08
Thiev wrote...
You forgot about swarm of lurkers, who are probably constantly circling around this thread
*raises hand* Lurker here! 8O
#8845
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:09
MagneticDawn wrote...
ALL LURKERS COME OUT NOW! WE WISH TO SEE WHO YOU ARE!
Even if you have nothing to say, just introduce yourself!![]()
I feel just fine, thanks for asking.
#8846
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:10
#8847
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:11
ankuu wrote...
Wooteh! The lurkers are coming out! We might be more fangirls than i have ever imagined xD Maybe this will impress Ser Gaider and will give us a bone to chew on.
*headdesks*
I read that as 'boner to chew on'...
#8848
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:12
#8849
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:14
Just how radically can a character's personality change after ten years in-game? Or is it more subtle?
#8850
Posté 17 janvier 2011 - 08:16
HolyJellyfish wrote...
Here's a question, but it doesn't necessarily pertain just to Fenris -
Just how radically can a character's personality change after ten years in-game? Or is it more subtle?
Three minutes can change someone from suicidal to wanting to live. It's a matter of circumstance.





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