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#10051
mellifera

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Because it's not about what height I find to be sexier in a man?

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Maera Imrov

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Calla, bb, I really doubt if they made him taller it was to appease fans, as the call to make the elves taller was probably an artist thing done well before he was more than in anything other than an embryonic state. And certainly long before he was revealed to us.

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Calla S wrote...

The elves were much shorter in DA:O. It was a needless retcon. Not only that, but Fenris isn't supposed to be custom fit by whatever preferences his fans have; that's ridiculous. OH NO, HE'S SHORT. CAN'T ROMANCE HIMMMM.
It's dumb. Just plain dumb.



I'm not saying I wouldn't have romance him if he was shorter.  I'm just saying its not a big of a deal that he's a few inches taller then what elfs were in DAO.

I just think its a stupid little thing for people to get this upset about.

#10054
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David Gaider wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...

2. Will Fenris ever wear shoes?


No. The artists have this thing about elves and shoes. Don't get me started.


So Zevran (with his Antivan boots) must be the only elf in Thedas with Official Bioware Granted Shoes, hm?

Unless...unless he just carries them around to sniff them.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:18 .


#10055
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I'm sure if they said "ELVES ARE NOW DWARF HEIGHT" you'd be having the same reaction, lolz.

#10056
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I wouldn't have not romanced him, either. If he's even a LI. Which... seems to be getting glossed over here. Just in reality, I would not be into a shorter man, so Fenris being taller or the same height as my FemHawke works better for me. If I were to attempt to romance him. Which depends on if they gave us the ability. :P I wouldn't really have minded either way, but this is definitely more my preference. As if my preference matters a damn. XD



But I still do wonder at all the various changes to the races and the motivations behind them overall. I'm sure I could find out if I could be bothered to go digging around interviews in magazines an' all, but I'm too tired and lazy tonight.

#10057
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EighmyLupin wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The elves were much shorter in DA:O. It was a needless retcon. Not only that, but Fenris isn't supposed to be custom fit by whatever preferences his fans have; that's ridiculous. OH NO, HE'S SHORT. CAN'T ROMANCE HIMMMM.
It's dumb. Just plain dumb.



I'm not saying I wouldn't have romance him if he was shorter.  I'm just saying its not a big of a deal that he's a few inches taller then what elfs were in DAO.

I just think its a stupid little thing for people to get this upset about.


just imagine the magister used this on fenris:devil:

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I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.

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EighmyLupin wrote...

I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.


And on top of that, he did say 'think'. Probably best to wait until we see some shots of him near a FemHawke. If we ever do, seeing as how FemHawke (and FemShep) get so little screen time in the marketing.

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@Lupin, THANK YOU!
Here I am trying to get something for the group, and they won't SHUT UP. Please... for the sanity of this group.. be quiet... hold all your comments until AFTER he's done.. and then by all means spout your heart out! ;]

Modifié par MagneticDawn, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:26 .


#10061
EighmyLupin

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Maera Imrov wrote...

EighmyLupin wrote...

I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.


And on top of that, he did say 'think'. Probably best to wait until we see some shots of him near a FemHawke. If we ever do, seeing as how FemHawke (and FemShep) get so little screen time in the marketing.


Very true.

#10062
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EighmyLupin wrote...

I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.


he was hoping for it, their tears will sustain him :whistle:

as for me,  elf's height is not a big deal.

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EighmyLupin wrote...

I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.


They aren't being unreasonable however.  It's not mindless moaning without reason; the elves were all shorter than humans in DAO.  I'm just ambivalent.

#10064
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Bryy_Miller wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...

Hello there, Gaider, How thee fair this evening?

Here is some of the group questions...
1. How is all the VA's Decided?


I'm assuming they do a combo of open auditions and calling agents


Still getting caught up, but my apologies if this has already been answered.  They also have an awesome casting person who generally gets the right voice for the right character.  Often the writers have specific people they want for the voice but the people aren't always available or the the casting person has a better option.

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yukidama wrote...

I'm sure if they said "ELVES ARE NOW DWARF HEIGHT" you'd be having the same reaction, lolz.


+1

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

EighmyLupin wrote...

Calla S wrote...

The elves were much shorter in DA:O. It was a needless retcon. Not only that, but Fenris isn't supposed to be custom fit by whatever preferences his fans have; that's ridiculous. OH NO, HE'S SHORT. CAN'T ROMANCE HIMMMM.
It's dumb. Just plain dumb.



I'm not saying I wouldn't have romance him if he was shorter.  I'm just saying its not a big of a deal that he's a few inches taller then what elfs were in DAO.

I just think its a stupid little thing for people to get this upset about.


just imagine the magister used this on fenris:devil:

*reluctantly snipped*


This is pure win! :lol:

#10067
MagneticDawn

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bsbcaer wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...

Hello there, Gaider, How thee fair this evening?

Here is some of the group questions...
1. How is all the VA's Decided?


I'm assuming they do a combo of open auditions and calling agents


Still getting caught up, but my apologies if this has already been answered.  They also have an awesome casting person who generally gets the right voice for the right character.  Often the writers have specific people they want for the voice but the people aren't always available or the the casting person has a better option.


here...

David Gaider wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...
1. How is all the VA's Decided?


It's
between myself, the Lead Designer (Mike) and the VO Producer (Caroline)
for any major characters. Caroline decides the others on her own
(though she will seek out approval from time to time, or clarification
if she's unsure what someone needs).

For major characters we
start either with a suggestion, if someone has a particular VA in mind,
or with the bible entry that determines things like apparent age,
accent, role in the story, etc. At that point Caroline would start
rounding up suitable candidates (either from actors she knows about or
through casting agents-- she searches around a lot) and will get
Mike and myself (and sometimes the other writers, who I will get
involved if it's their character) to listen and make suggestions on who
could be a good pick. Sometimes it works, sometimes we try someone out
and recast. Sometimes we recast after a lot of recording has been done,
but that's a hard decision.

Every now and again, if it's a hard
role, we'll make up an audition script and send it out to casting agents
so they can have actors send in audition recordings for that role
specifically (which is a bit easier to discern, as opposed to listening
to commercials or other characters they did and trying to figure out if
they have the range to do the character you want).

Make sense?



#10068
Miserysky

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Thank you, Mr. Gaider, for the explaination on character creation and the other info. People here get a little zealous as you are well aware, so be patient with us. Thank the Maker you draw such avid fans! Thanks for visiting us.

#10069
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yukidama wrote...

I'm sure if they said "ELVES ARE NOW DWARF HEIGHT" you'd be having the same reaction, lolz.


Well then I'd be wondering why are these elves in Thedas and not working for santa at the north pole?

Modifié par yoshibb, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .


#10070
bsbcaer

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MagneticDawn wrote...

bsbcaer wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...

Hello there, Gaider, How thee fair this evening?

Here is some of the group questions...
1. How is all the VA's Decided?


I'm assuming they do a combo of open auditions and calling agents


Still getting caught up, but my apologies if this has already been answered.  They also have an awesome casting person who generally gets the right voice for the right character.  Often the writers have specific people they want for the voice but the people aren't always available or the the casting person has a better option.


here...

David Gaider wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...
1. How is all the VA's Decided?


It's
between myself, the Lead Designer (Mike) and the VO Producer (Caroline)
for any major characters. Caroline decides the others on her own
(though she will seek out approval from time to time, or clarification
if she's unsure what someone needs).

For major characters we
start either with a suggestion, if someone has a particular VA in mind,
or with the bible entry that determines things like apparent age,
accent, role in the story, etc. At that point Caroline would start
rounding up suitable candidates (either from actors she knows about or
through casting agents-- she searches around a lot) and will get
Mike and myself (and sometimes the other writers, who I will get
involved if it's their character) to listen and make suggestions on who
could be a good pick. Sometimes it works, sometimes we try someone out
and recast. Sometimes we recast after a lot of recording has been done,
but that's a hard decision.

Every now and again, if it's a hard
role, we'll make up an audition script and send it out to casting agents
so they can have actors send in audition recordings for that role
specifically (which is a bit easier to discern, as opposed to listening
to commercials or other characters they did and trying to figure out if
they have the range to do the character you want).

Make sense?




Yeah, it was talked about in the other thread a long time ago...I didn't scroll down far enough to see that Darth Gaider has already answered (wasn't sure if you guys scared him away againPosted Image

#10071
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Bah. I'm not attacking Gaider. I've been pretty much with the devs on every single change and have pretty much defended every damn thing. I'm grateful and happy they answer fan questions. I am voicing a complaint over ONE design change I dislike and I am insulting him somehow? Lolokay. I don't want an apology or for them to change it, I am saying YUKIDAMA DOES NOT LIKE THIS CHANGE.

Anyway, go back to fangirling or whatever. I'm out.

Modifié par yukidama, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .


#10072
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Guys, shouldn't you be wondering what's the event as important as 'Dark Ritual' going to happen to Fenris in game?

#10073
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David Gaider wrote...

MagneticDawn wrote...
1. How tall is Fenris Compared to Fem!Hawke?


I don't know. I've never compared the two. I think elves are now the same height as humans, so he'd be a bit taller than FemHawke, but I could be wrong.

2. Will Fenris ever wear shoes?


No. The artists have this thing about elves and shoes. Don't get me started.

This is a good call imo. I never liked the idea of every elf being short. Made it hard to take their race seriously. Just didn't look right ya know?

Modifié par atheelogos, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .


#10074
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makenzieshepard wrote...

yukidama wrote...

I'm sure if they said "ELVES ARE NOW DWARF HEIGHT" you'd be having the same reaction, lolz.


+1




We have dwarves for dwarf height.

But even had that been said, I wouldn't have had a meltdown. My disappointments are usually kept to myself. Better to focus on the positive. And at this stage of development, nothing we say will have any effect, if simply for lack of time.

#10075
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Saslic wrote...

EighmyLupin wrote...

I just feel like it was very rude for everyone to whine for Gaider to come and answer questions and as soon as he did and answered something in a way people didn't like (and the thing being such a tiny little thing) they started spaming the board with angry comments.


They aren't being unreasonable however.  It's not mindless moaning without reason; the elves were all shorter than humans in DAO.  I'm just ambivalent.



I'm not saying it was mindless I just don't see how a couple of inches is something worth freaking out over in that big a way. Personally I did like that the elves were shorter in DAO, but I dont mind that their now as tall as the humans, like a said eariler its just a couple of inches.

Modifié par EighmyLupin, 20 janvier 2011 - 07:37 .