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[Minxie]

@Calla and Mynnymac

Fair enough. But you never know, Fenris' personality may be utterly different from what you're expecting given his background. What if he doesn't have 'issues' that Hawke needs to fix or anything like that?

[Calla S]

fighterchicks wrote...

Mynnymac wrote...

Calla S wrote...
I couldn't have said it better myself. Given the nature of (what we know of) Fenris' past, I think a friendship would be far more rewarding than a love affair. It seems like pushing it to me. Let's have this physically and no doubt emotionally scarred character and let Hawke develop a sincere friendship with him. I'm all for that. Hawke can help him recuperate. As of now, I'd prefer seeing him healed on his own with urgings from those around him, not ~washed clean of all ills with the power of Lady Hawke's love.~ Frankly, that's just silly.

Not to mention the general blowback from people who are tired of having to play psychologist to their love interest. God, I am so sick and tired of that.

Seconded. I actually am curious to see how a Fenris romance would work--but I hardly think it's necessary. 

Are any of the romances "necessary"?

No, but I believe the addition of a romance could potentially detract from Fenris as a character, should his story and personality be anything like we're assuming.

@Minxie - I'm unaware of how a former slave who was tortured to such an extent and doesn't even like people touching him could be well-adjusted enough to not have any lingering issues for Hawke to fix. I just think the relationship between Hawke and Fenris would be infinitely more meaningful if it didn't include his being a love interest, mainly because friendships with LIs are hardly ever as in depth as those who aren't love interests. I suppose this is my way of saying, "I'd rather it if he wasn't an LI so we can know more about him without having to romance him."

Modifié par Calla S, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[Collider]

To be fair, we only have minimal knowledge about Fenris right now.

[fighterchick]

Fail quoting.  Everything I wrote got deleted, so I just wrote it again below.

Modifié par fighterchicks, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .

[Addai]

Calla S wrote...

No, but I believe the addition of a romance could potentially detract from Fenris as a character, should his story and personality be anything like we're assuming.

@Minxie - I'm unaware of how a former slave who was tortured to such an extent and doesn't even like people touching him could be well-adjusted enough to not have any lingering issues for Hawke to fix. I just think the relationship between Hawke and Fenris would be infinitely more meaningful if it didn't include his being a love interest, mainly because friendships with LIs are hardly ever as in depth as those who aren't love interests.

Who says you have to fix him?  I dunno, people can go through a lot of trauma but saying they're beyond love is a bit pessimistic.  I trust Ser Gaider to write a romance that's well grounded.  It's still just a story, though.  And it would be a shame if there were no possibility for the "once in a lifetime" to happen, even and especially for someone who's a survivor of harsh things.  I'd think that about someone IRL too. 

[fighterchick]

Ugh, my post keeps messing up. What I was trying to say is that I just find the argument that the romance "isn't necessary" to be kind of funny. I figure that if the devs wrote him as such, then it will be well fleshed out and explained. The game does take place over ten years and that's a long time to develop any kind of relationship, whether romantic or otherwise. Also, I get that you're saying you think the relationship could be more meaningful if he wasn't an LI and just a friendship could be attained with him, but I thought that it was well done in origins with people who weren't LI. With Alistair and Leliana, the conversations were still there and intact for the most part, and you got different onces depending on whether it was romantic of just platonic. I think that they would develop the character both ways, especially if he turns out to be a LI.

Ah, I also wanted to add that we know very little about him as a character.  Who knows what exactly he's been through with his time as a magister, how much of it he actually remembers and how long he's been free.  It's just something to ponder that could change his characterization a bit.

Modifié par fighterchicks, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .

[Collider]

If a romance is "needed" for Fenris, then I'd be worried about how he is written, anyhow.

[Calla S]

Addai67 wrote...
I dunno, people can go through a lot of trauma but saying they're beyond love is a bit pessimistic. 

I wasn't saying that he's "beyond love." I'm saying that I would prefer it if Hawke didn't magically get past all of his walls and have some squishy "You showed me that not everyone is out to get me; let us copulate" romance. I realize David has written some of my favorite romances; I just... really think Fenris would be better off as a friend. That's all. No harm intended to those who hope that he is an LI.

Modifié par Calla S, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:43 .

[MagneticDawn]

... ......

-is done reading the dev quotes- .... ooohh.... So that's how how Fenris is... O.o It's hard to explain but I think I figured out his character, of coarse I could be wrong, but for now, I'm going to think its right until the game comes out. or a character video..

He is kinda based off Valen but not entirely off of him, his personality has a certain stoic angst edge on him.. His VA, for one has done acting in well-known games..

So hmmm...

[Leonia]

Collider wrote...

If a romance is "needed" for Fenris, then I'd be worried about how he is written, anyhow.

Hear, hear.

*grumbles something about how video games used to be about more than romances and LIs*

[fighterchick]

leonia42 wrote...

Collider wrote...

If a romance is "needed" for Fenris, then I'd be worried about how he is written, anyhow.

Hear, hear.

*grumbles something about how video games used to be about more than romances and LIs*

I don't think anyone is really saying that it's about the romances.  Personally, I like DA because of the story.  Truth be told, my first play through I didn't even know that you could romance anyone until about 3/4 of the way through the game and just thought it was a neat thing to add it.  I do think that it does add something extra to the characterization and I always like to romance every character in different games just so I can hear the dialogue and see how the romance was handled.  I just think that it would be cool to romance him based off of his past, but I also understand why others wouldn't.  

[Maria Caliban]

Calla S wrote...

@Minxie - I'm unaware of how a former slave who was tortured to such an extent and doesn't even like people touching him could be well-adjusted enough to not have any lingering issues for Hawke to fix.

He could have a crap load of issues and have no interest in Hawke 'fixing' them.

According to David, he's not a 'woobie' like Alistiar.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:48 .

[fighterchick]

Calla S wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I dunno, people can go through a lot of trauma but saying they're beyond love is a bit pessimistic. 

I wasn't saying that he's "beyond love." I'm saying that I would prefer it if Hawke didn't magically get past all of his walls and have some squishy "You showed me that not everyone is out to get me; let us copulate" romance. I realize David has written some of my favorite romances; I just... really think Fenris would be better off as a friend. That's all. No harm intended to those who hope that he is an LI.

My main question for you is that do you think he won't be developed well as a character if they do make him an LI?  I mean, I understand that you personally don't want to romance him, but why don't you want the option there?  Is it just the fact that his past and that he doesn't like people touching him?   I'm not trying to pester you, or to cause drama, I'm just really curious as to your reasoning.  

Also, I think it's interesting to have an actual discussion going on.  

[MorningBird]

Calla S wrote...

No, but I believe the addition of a romance could potentially detract from Fenris as a character, should his story and personality be anything like we're assuming.

While I am personally rooting for a Fenris romance, I do agree with you here.  Though, that may be because in some ways, I liken Fenris to Sten. xD  Personality-wise, I mean.  To be fair, this is most definitely just me pulling conclusions out of my arse, but there were two things in particular that gave me this impression:

1. Both are stoic characters
2. Hail from distance lands (in relevance to Fereldan)
3. Swear in their native dialects
4. Traumatized by something that occurred in their (recent?) past

Like I said, it's really not much to go by, I just can't... help my imagination. xD

I suppose the real question for me is... would a Sten romance have worked without sullying the character?  I personally don't think so, since love for a singular person (or love in general?) doesn't seem to be a part of the Qun.

As for Fenris... really, we just have to wait and see, that's the only option. xD

Calla S wrote...

@Minxie - I'm unaware of how a former slave who was tortured to such an extent and doesn't even like people touching him could be well-adjusted enough to not have any lingering issues for Hawke to fix. I just think the relationship between Hawke and Fenris would be infinitely more meaningful if it didn't include his being a love interest, mainly because friendships with LIs are hardly ever as in depth as those who aren't love interests.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure David has confirmed that Fenris did not come out of Tevinter completely nonplused.  He's got some issues, we just don't know how deeply they run, or in what ways they affect him.  The only thing we DO know is that the tattoos make him uncomfortable, but that's not a whole bunch to go on.

Basically, this game cannot come out soon enough. xD

Modifié par MorningBird, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:54 .

[Calla S]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Calla S wrote...

@Minxie - I'm unaware of how a former slave who was tortured to such an extent and doesn't even like people touching him could be well-adjusted enough to not have any lingering issues for Hawke to fix.

He could have a crap load of issues and have no interest in Hawke 'fixing' them.

According to David, he's not a 'woobie' like Alistiar.

If he has so many issues (most, if not all, of which stem from his time with the Magister) and doesn't even want to touch upon them, I don't see how he'd make a very viable potential love interest, then. That'd make him a ticking time bomb, pretty much. There's a difference between just being plain screwed up and being a woobie.

fighterchicks wrote...
My main question for you is that do you think he won't be developed well as a character if they do make him an LI?  I mean, I understand that you personally don't want to romance him, but why don't you want the option there?  Is it just the fact that his past and that he doesn't like people touching him?   I'm not trying to pester you, or to cause drama, I'm just really curious as to your reasoning.  

Also, I think it's interesting to have an actual discussion going on.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Trust me, I'm all for making characters an optional love interest, but Fenris just doesn't strike me as the type of character that would get much from it. I'm the one advocating for a Varric LI and an Aveline LI, after all, both of which seem lost causes by now. 

From what I've seen from other BioWare games, if you play the same sex of an LI (if she or he's not the S/S LI) or if you don't choose to romance the person with the option to do so, the character development just... isn't there. Most people get their development solely through the romances or through friendship paths. For instance, I thought I knew more about Wynne and Sten and Oghren than I did about Morrigan in my first run through of Origins. She was just a plot point to me. I didn't get to see much of her, especially not compared to the playthrough where I romanced her. I don't want to miss out on the characterization of Fenris just because I don't want to romance him.

Modifié par Calla S, 27 janvier 2011 - 07:56 .

[Minxie]

I agree with Collider's point that we don't know all that much about Fenris. I think it's ultimately too early to make final judgements on whether or not Fenris would make a good LI or not.

It's reasonable to assume that he has issues because of his past, but nothing is set in stone really. He might need 'fixing', or he might not. He might have even fixed himself before he even meets Hawke.

And I would like to add that the aversion to being touched thing doesn't necessarily imply that he's not well-adjusted. It could simply mean that it just hurts, the same way a sunburn hurts.

[Tamyn]

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Modifié par Tamyn, 27 janvier 2011 - 08:02 .

[MorningBird]

Tamyn wrote...

Another preview:

THAT... is quite awesome. :3

[Minxie]

Love it, Tamyn!

[lonewolfxxx]

Tamyn wrote...

Another preview:

... Not drawing fan art is becoming extremely difficult.

Must... resist... must... stay... lazy...

[MagneticDawn]

ohh wow... @____________@ picture... frields.. for 3 seconds there I thought it was a new screenshot..

[MorningBird]

lonewolfxxx wrote...

... Not drawing fan art is becoming extremely difficult.

Must... resist... must... stay... lazy...

I'd say resistance is futile, but I'll be an optimist, for your sake. :innocent:

[fighterchick]

MagneticDawn wrote...

ohh wow... @____________@ picture... frields.. for 3 seconds there I thought it was a new screenshot..

So did I!  It's so gorgeous!

@Calla: Alright, I get what you're saying.  Thanks for the answer.  I'm sorry if I sound rude or anything; it's not remotely intentional if I do!

[Evelane]

lonewolfxxx wrote...

Tamyn wrote...

Another preview:

... Not drawing fan art is becoming extremely difficult.

Must... resist... must... stay... lazy...

WOW nicely done

If i can say soemthing about fenris as a ''Li'' i would say that i think it could be great...
Since it will be hard to break his fence...
Actually i dont see myself with varric ... not that he dosent look like a really awsome companions and narrator.. but in a way.. that its why i think he wont be a ''li'' but more as a really really close friend
I think that the ''exiled prince'' and fenris will be female ''li'' and Cassandra isabella for boys or merril.. but she look like a kid.. so :/

Ps:im gonna appologize again for my poor english

[lonewolfxxx]

Minxie18 wrote...

I agree with Collider's point that we don't know all that much about Fenris. I think it's ultimately too early to make final judgements on whether or not Fenris would make a good LI or not.
It's reasonable to assume that he has issues because of his past, but nothing is set in stone really. He might need 'fixing', or he might not. He might have even fixed himself before he even meets Hawke.
And I would like to add that the aversion to being touched thing doesn't necessarily imply that he's not well-adjusted. It could simply mean that it just hurts, the same way a sunburn hurts.

Yes, I agree with you on all three subjects.

I would also like to think that Fenris has "fixed' himself before meeting Hawke. That he has a sort of "apathetic" stance upon his past. Not to say that he didn't find it horrible or anything, it's just like what happens happens. There's no reason to get all depressed or obsessed with the past. (but brooding about it from time to time is perfectly acceptable)