Tashash wrote...
ankuu wrote... Wynne, as Tanky said, you brighten the whole place up.
Agreed. And I never did formally welcome you as the fifth member for the Perverted Pentagon, did I?
WELCOME! *Throws confetti, releases balloons*
Ah, I feel much better now. You are now my personal silver lining Wynne.
I--I don't know what to say except I LOVE YOU PEOPLE! *hugs to all and extra to tankgirly, ankuu, and Tashash*
buggirl wrote...
Russalka wrote...
What horrors will surface in this thread during Valentine's day, I wonder.
"Love. A blip on the monitor of involuntary human response. A hiccup of an emotion when compared with envy, hatred, lust. And just who was this St. Valentine? A bishop, Roman, third century, got his head sliced off-- ouch--for marrying lovers against his emperor's decree. You see Claudius II believed men made better warriors unmarried. Power comes with the absence of love. Love drains us of our strength. We never learn, do we? And you say that love conquers all? Well not for you, St. Valentine, not for me. Not for any of the heartbroken."
--Lacroix as the Nightcrawler on his Valentine's Day radio show, Be My Valentine
I LOVE FOREVER KNIGHT!!!!!! OMG Lacroix was so freaking awesome, too... I loved him loved him loved him loved him loved him loved him loved him loved him LOVED HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
Like not in a sexy way, but in a totally platonic "I wish he was my vampire dad" sort of way. I loved his dark snark and wit and wicked wisdom. Seriously, that show was awesome, and Nigel Bennett--endlessly freaking awesome, the best of an already great cast (excepting Captain Stonetree's actor in season 1; I was glad he got replaced by that awesome woman 'cause his performance was really shaky). It and Bioware are like the two best things out of Canada, if you ask me. Except maybe Robin on How I Met Your Mother; she's pretty boss herself.
Chagrinned Goat wrote...
You quoted it yourself.
"Well, first he would flinch--because his markings are quite painful, and doubly so when they're touched. His first instinct might be to punch someone who touched him, though he'd probably hold back if he realized it was Hawke." Then later, "I wouldn't make too big a deal of his touch-causes-pain thing. It's more of an aversion than actual physical agony. You'll see when you play, though honestly he doesn't dwell on it at all. It's not central to his story."
Punching someone as a reaction to being touched certainly reads like "Can't even be approached for a handshake" to me.
Except with the context re-inserted, it's obvious that the divisions are finely nuanced and trying to explain what Fenris is like isn't easy even for his writer. If it can sound like his condition with the markings was more serious than it is, then it can most certainly seem like the punching means something other than it actually means. Therefore, "Can't even be approached for a handshake" is not by any means a good assumption to make. Only his writer can clarify the statement about punching and what exactly it means. It's entirely possible that that his
"not dwelling on [the aversion to being touched] at all" which is
"not central to his story" means that his condition is quite different from what it seemed to you when you read the one quote alone.
Being overly literal is generally not a good idea in cases like these. Is punching someone--as part of an aversion to touch due to a mystical condition--necessarily a result of being a complete anti-social basket case rather than an immediate, logical, and sensible instinctive reaction to being on the run for your lfie? If this is shortly after he stops constantly fleeing people who are trying to re-enslave him, doesn't it just make sense that his instincts are on fire? And why exactly must this state of mind last for the full ten years to not bother you? Can you explain that? I really don't get it.
Odd how a lot of people seem so opposed to Fenris being available without fully knowing his character yet. Maybe I'll change my mind about wanting him to be if he is as some people say, but as of this moment I still see no reason whatsoever to assume that he is such a wreck that he MUST NOT LOVE HAWKE FOR HE CANNOT STOP PUNCHING PEOPLE OMG. I remain perplexed by this concept.
Chagrinned Goat...
To put it more clearly, I would tolerate a romance only if it's after ten years rather than nine of eight or seven or six or five. As I said, I would still have problems with the relationship then, I'm just speaking in terms of finding a happy medium.If he is as scarred as people here like to assume he'll be, forgetting the "until Hawke comes along and he magically pushes away everything because of the power of her love" part, I just can't see him every being okay with a romance with her.Yes, he could eventually work over everything and be fine to have intimate relationships, but not with Hawke. I've said many times that I acknowledge just how little information we have on him, but the popular interpretation seems to be that it's okay for him to be seriously messed up just as long it doesn't interfere with a romance, which just seems creepy to me. If he does have as many problems as people are assuming and/or wishing he has, I don't think it's something that he'll be able to get over soon. Even if he does, I mentioned that I see problems with him getting over things just for Hawke. There are too many variables for his interpretation of things that could make a romance with her creepy.
"Getting over things just for Hawke..." Okay, I don't even see what you mean by that. It's simply not possible, and even if it was, I can't see it being done by any decent writer, let alone the person who is actually writing him, and I'm sure you know who that is. Furthermore, if I had the sense that someone was pretending to be over their problems because he wanted to do me, I would be so disturbed that I would take an immediate break from the relationship.
Your whole vision here is confusing and unsettling me, to be perfectly honest. You may acknowledge that we don't know the character, but that hasn't stopped you from forming an idea in your head and making some ugly statements based on that concept. Then again, you're not the only one to disparage the idea of him being an LI, not that I understand the tendency.
Personally, I think it could be gradual, natural, friendly and cautious for the first five years or so. As a person who's lived through some harsh things, I can say that five years is plenty of time if a person has a good support system and a will to recover. Hell, even one year can be--it depends entirely on the individual person and circumstances. And as long as Hawke treats him as an equal, makes him feel secure and confident and part of a group rather than isolating him and playing on his weaknesses as a lot of people seem to assume, I see no reason why he shouldn't be a romance regardless of the time period, the trauma, or the circumstances.
Chagrinned Goat wrote...
I have extreme aversions to touch, myself. I flinch away from friends I've had since elementary school for getting too close. I don't let my parents touch me, nor my siblings, let alone extended family or, god forbid, strangers. I know that my own psychological state is nothing like Fenris', but I am using my own experiences as a tool to judge. My own problems don't come from any sort of traumatic experiences, either, so I can only assume that Fenris would be worse off, yet. If you look at his flinching as a Pavlovian response, it certainly says volumes about the way he was treated.
I'm sorry to hear that, but I think you're projecting a bit here.
Known traumatic experiences make recovery easier, not harder. If you know what is upsetting you, then dealing with it can actually happen, whereas not knowing what's wrong makes it almost impossible. This is why people spend time in introspection trying to figure out what precisely is bothering them. This is why people with phobias search for connections to past experiences, because understanding an aversion and putting it in perspective takes away the power of a negative experience to rule your future actions and feelings so completely. It's a good first step to recovery.
Furthermore, the pain might be psychosomatic, in which case it would disappear once he stops assuming it will still be there. That would explain the quotes which seem to not entirely mesh, I should think.
Addai67 wrote...
I haven't been following closely enough to keep up, are people really "wishing he's screwed up"? All I saw was yukidama saying he needs to be messed up enough to have a good story, and one that's still plausible. As Zevran might say, the people in stories aren't the products of happy lives- usually. Unless those happy lives are about to be messed with.
As for all these "I'll accept a romance but only after X amount of years"... wut?? Just let the guy tell the story. You can decide when you see it if it seems gimmicky, or overdone, or whatever. This is Gaider we're talking about, not some fanfiction hack (spoken as a fanfiction hack).
Thank you. You've said it better than I have, honestly.
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Though, compared to Vancouver, I like Calgary. It's just the right size of city for me. 
