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[Leonia]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Now I'm thinking about re-playing through GoA with this new perspective..

I KNOW, right? I'd replay it too, but holy hell it was too creepy, even for me...

Yeah and I'll be tempted to play it on Nightmare.. ugh. I just want to read the lore stuff without actually having to fight everything again.

I like the idea that lyrium contributed to the quickening of elves, there's certainly more going on than hand-holding with humans. The question is, can the elves regain their immortality? If they could, would they want to? Society has changed so much since the time of the Tevinter Imperium's glory days.

[tankgirly]

David Gaider wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
And it is not a 2-handed sword either. So 99% sword and shield warrior.

The 1% wins out, I guess.

Two weilder. Proven by David.

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

My argument is that Elves were immortal. They lost their immortality when they were quicken by the humans. I have supported this with codex entries.

Nobody has disputed this so why are you arguing it? What is the point of your argument? What are you trying to prove with this information?

Certainly the quickening began when humans started to associate with elves, this we know and we do not try to pretend that it didn't happen. However, we are making the point that humans alone may not have been the single cause of the quickening. Keep up with the conversation.

[HolyJellyfish]

Aermas wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Yes but HOW did their lives quicken? If Dragon Age has taught me anything, its never to accept information on face value. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that the elves lost their immortality simply because they held hands with humans. There is something more to it, perhaps something darker.

They bred with humans, & because of proximity.

Imagine that a machine runs once a day for one hundred days.
Now imagine another machine that runs four times a day for twenty-five days.
The first machine then tries to keep pace with the second, ultimately running itself faster & shortening its lifespan

But it still doesn't explain how the elves became immortal in the first place.

[Sabariel]

My argument is that elves were never immortal. They just lived forever (shot)



Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Leonia]

Heh, well there certainly are people in Thedas who don't believe elves were ever immortal.

I tend to lean towards the "Elves were always immortal until humans messed with them" camp.

Modifié par leonia42, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:36 .

[Aermas]

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.

Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?





Leonia42, I made my point look at the bottom of page 55, & try to keep up.

[HolyJellyfish]

@Sabariel Hah.



@leonia42 I imagine the Dalish would be more than interested in recovering the secrets of immortality, unless for whatever reason they learned that the Arlathan's grim fate were tied to those very secrets.

[Ceridwen]

This speculation is making my brain tie itself in knots.

How COULD elves become immortal? Is there some way of explaining it with the information available?

Edit: Actually, perhaps the secret to their immortality lies in what Zathrian was doing. He had entwined his very soul with an immortal spirit, thus could live forever until he chose to die.

Could the Arlathan elves have done the same?

Modifié par kwintessa, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:39 .

[tankgirly]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Now I'm thinking about re-playing through GoA with this new perspective..

I KNOW, right? I'd replay it too, but holy hell it was too creepy, even for me...

GoA is my second most favourite Dragon Age DLC do date. Shale was the first. I played that game and started to ponder as soon as I saw those Harvesters ventured out at the end of the game, and it leads to my Amgarrak theory on Fenris.

EDIT. I remembered asaris in ME series saying something about the whole 'immortal' thing. Perhaps Elves just have longer lifespan, so to human, they are immortal.

EDIT 2: *reading Leonia's note below* HUH?

Modifié par tankgirly, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:41 .

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.
Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?


Leonia42, I made my point look at the bottom of page 55, & try to keep up.

We're on page 56 now dude, we moved on from the "how did elves become immortal" to the "how did elves lose their immortality" and now you've brought us back to "how did elves become immortal" and confused people.

[HolyJellyfish]

Aermas wrote...

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.
Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?

Yeah. That argument doesn't stand.

And going back to your idea about humans and quickening? Dwarves are also mortal, and in Witch Hunt, the warden discovers Arlathans were co existing with the Dwarves underground. If that is the case, why didn't the elves quicken with them?

[Ceridwen]

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.
Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?


Leonia42, I made my point look at the bottom of page 55, & try to keep up.

We're on page 56 now dude, we moved on from the "how did elves become immortal" to the "how did elves lose their immortality" and now you've brought us back to "how did elves become immortal" and confused people.

People being me.

So... where are we at present?

[Aermas]

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.
Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?


Leonia42, I made my point look at the bottom of page 55, & try to keep up.

We're on page 56 now dude, we moved on from the "how did elves become immortal" to the "how did elves lose their immortality" and now you've brought us back to "how did elves become immortal" and confused people.

You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...
You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

Prove it.

[tankgirly]

Arh... I think we are agree about the Amagarrak theory.

And...not sure where we are about the whole elven immortal/mortal thing.

[Aermas]

kwintessa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...

The sun does not rise because the rooster crows.
Why do the elves have to be moral first? Could they not be immortal at creation?


Leonia42, I made my point look at the bottom of page 55, & try to keep up.

We're on page 56 now dude, we moved on from the "how did elves become immortal" to the "how did elves lose their immortality" and now you've brought us back to "how did elves become immortal" and confused people.

People being me.

So... where are we at present?

We were talking about what kind of weapon style Fenris uses.

[Aermas]

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...
You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

Prove it.

It is in the Codex.

[HolyJellyfish]

@kwintessa

That's a possibility. It would definitely explain the Tevinter / Arlathan / Ihavenoidea Mirrors. Perhaps by connecting with spirits beyond the fade, elves were able to tie their souls and therefore become ageless. And when the Tevinters tried it, all hell broke lose with the dark spawn.



Just a really really loose baseless idea of mine, but an interesting one.

[Piecake]

Aermas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...
You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

Prove it.

It is in the Codex.

Legends are always true? 

[Leonia]

Aermas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...
You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

Prove it.

It is in the Codex.

Show me the entry. We don't know for sure that elves started out as immortals, even though that is the side of the debate I personally sit on I know I can't personally prove it. I doubt you can either. So don't throw around arguments you can't back up. You also totally dismissed my, and other posters', contrary opinion on how elves began to quicken. If you're not going to listen to OUR posts why should we listen to yours. Also we aren't really talking about what weapon Fernis' uses any more because Tankgirly quoted Gaider and proved he is a two-handed warrior. Next?

Modifié par leonia42, 19 décembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[tankgirly]

kwintessa wrote...

Edit: Actually, perhaps the secret to their immortality lies in what Zathrian was doing. He had entwined his very soul with an immortal spirit, thus could live forever until he chose to die.

Could the Arlathan elves have done the same?

Hey, I like this theory.

[Aermas]

Piecake wrote...

Aermas wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Aermas wrote...
You're just ignoring the things I post & posting a flippant counter-post & not reading what I have typed.

ELVES WERE QUICKENED BY PROXIMITY & BY BREEDING WITH HUMANS
ELVES NEVER GAINED IMMORTALITY, THEY WERE BORN WITH IT

Prove it.

It is in the Codex.

Legends are always true? 

It is the only source of information about the (off) topic at hand.
& it more of a history book than a mythology book

[Leonia]

I'm intrigued about what the mirrors lead to. From the surface, it just looks like the Tevinters used them for long-distance communication but obviously Witch-hunt proves there is more to them than that.

[Aermas]

Please make a speculation thread about this. You have seriously derailed this thread.