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[dirtsa90]

Minxie18 wrote...

That's an interesting point.
He's likely damaged like Zevran, but unlike Zevran he probably didn't find a 'healthy' outlet to deal with it.
I'm guessing Fenris will have an aloof, walled off personality that will take a wrecking ball (or two) to knock down.

However, judging by the little smirk he's got in that one screenshot, I think he's going to have a sense of humor - albeit of the more bitter, cynical variety. So he'll be distant and maybe cold, but not in a silent and stony way - just in a way that prevents people from knowing what he's really thinking and feeling. And I also imagine he's the type
to always expect the worse from people. 

^This

[Wynne]

[quote]DadeLeviathan wrote...

I would like to remind you that you are sexually fantasizing about a bunch of pixels... [/quote]
Fictional men can't be trampled and assaulted by squeeing fangirls. Trust me, it's just better this way. Would you prefer we squee over Christian Bale? I don't want anything to happen to him. He still has movies to make. No, I'll stick to the pixels. You can't meet pixels on a New York subway by accident and have it be horribly awkward. Nor can you have a tawdry affair and get pregnant and then be all over the tabloids like Monica Lewinsky. But I digress.

The point is, pixels can't be harmed, nor can they harm. Love the pixels. The pixels are your friend.

[quote]Madame Rose Crimsynn wrote...

Before I salt and burn you, I'm going to let you know I haven't had a chance to fangirl in a very, very, very long time.[/quote]
Me either! It feels good. And I loved the reference.  

[quote]Ineffable Igor wrote...

*ridiculously awesome meme*[/quote]
Mmm... BST... *eyes glaze over* That was good.

Yellow Words, I enjoyed yours very much as well--and yours, Squadette! (I would love for Carver to be protective like that! He seems adorable.) After Thane I'm trying not to decide too hard what I think Fen will be like because I ended up being sort of disappointed, but you all had interesting ideas.

[quote]Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Youknow everyone got upset with her for that, but tbh I think it's fair. 

I
also remember when JK Rowling found out about fanfic and her response
was negative and everyone was upset and iunno to me, I would be the
same. I think people had to expect that...[/quote]
But the thing is, it's silly. If you don't like them, you don't have to read them. If somebody loves your universe enough to play around in it, let them. It's never going to be as good or as real as the real thing--it's just an interesting exercise. It can help young writers practice and get feedback. How ungracious is it to say, "I don't like the idea of you writing something for free about something that I put out there, possibly increasing my popularity by causing newcomers to think 'if the fanfic is this good, the original has to be better'"? 

On one level I get it, but really, I think Gaider has the best attitude. Make a conscious choice not to poke around in the fan base too much and you're a happier person with happier fans.

[quote]Pseudocognition wrote...

../../..//uploads_user/2132000/2131684/71612.jpg
Ehehehehehehehe.
Too much fun ;3;

He's one beefy arm away from freedom, and it had to be Aveline's.[/quote]
You... you bring me joy. So much joy!

[quote]Pseudocognition wrote...



[quote]Maria Caliban wrote...



Apparently Aveline doesn't appreciate others attempting to usurp her as the tank. [/quote]

"There's room enough for one trope-busting tank in this game, and I was revealed first!"

Actually I doubt she'd say anything about it. She'd probably just glare at him and crack her knuckles. Often.[/quote]
*still giggling* Hey, that is true, isn't it? A woman and an elf are the tank options in DA2... it's enough to make a girl shiver. I mean, the dwarven companion being a rogue is pretty awesomely non-stereotypical, too. I love that. I guess they realized DAO was pretty standard (probably on purpose a bit, as the first in a series generally takes the least risks.)

[quote]ankuu wrote...

[quote]HolyJellyfish wrote...

[quote]Lucy_Glitter wrote...

As long as there aint any dead wives/gfs.

I am good.[/quote]

Agreed.

I don't want to be dealing with any angst man. Keep your dead lovers at the door, kthnx.

[/quote]

That reminds me of Thane...

"My wife...my wife..."
"I want you!"
"My wife.....oh yes i want you too."[/quote]
Y'all are singing the song of my fondest hopes... *lol* YES. I mean, seriously, much as I appreciated Thane in ways, Irikah's sunset-colored eyes grated on my nerves. Especially since he never ever EVER forgets ANYTHING. *sigh* You'd think an assassin would have more stories to tell about something other than the love that came before you which he'll never forget. He's horrible at dating.

[quote]HolyJellyfish wrote...

 the floating idea that Fenris is somehow related to Fen'Harel[/quote]
I do find that interesting, but I question whether it would make him too perfect... since it's Gaider, though, I fear it would doom Fen's relationship with Hawke to a poignant and tragic end. :/ So I'm kinda hoping that's not the case.

[quote]Minxie18 wrote...



That's an interesting point.

He's likely damaged like Zevran, but unlike Zevran he probably didn't find a 'healthy' outlet to deal with it.

I'm guessing Fenris will have an aloof, walled off personality that will take a wrecking ball (or two) to knock down. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]



However,
judging by the little smirk he's got in that one screenshot, I think
he's going to have a sense of humor - albeit of the more bitter, cynical
variety. So he'll be distant and maybe cold, but not in a silent and
stony way - just in a way that prevents people from knowing what he's
really thinking and feeling. And I also imagine he's the type

to always expect the worse from people.  [/quote]
I've been dreaming
of a character like that for some time now. I like layers; the bitterer,
the better. I like cynicism. I like having to work to get to know
someone instead of being handed everything. Mature people usually don't let everyone know everything about them because they know not everyone will understand.

[quote]hangmans tree wrote...

Better yet, I might assume large female portion of the SBN are in love already
So tell me, dear ladies, which is more to your taste: low or high?[/quote]
Though the concept art for Iorveth is nowhere near as hot as the finalized appearance, I'm going to just take it as a representation and go with the apparent general consensus of, "I would like to be the nutella layer in that elf sandwich."

[quote]Kerovan_the_Forgetful wrote...

First, my post is not any less
insightful than all the "oh my god he is so pretty" posts which are all
over this thread.
Second, I'm not interrupting a "praise the beautiful
Fenrir" thread, my post is as valid as all the swooning going on here.
Third,I'm not judging a game based on two screenshots, but couple of videos,
screenshots, other announcements.  I had my reservation when I first saw Hawke, but this guy is just over the top.
[/quote]
When you enter a thread which you know is going to be annoyed by and/or hostile to your opinions and goad the posters there into becoming irritated with you and paying you negative attention, that's a fairly good indication that you're trolling. That's basically the definition right there, in fact.

Saying something is over the top or expressing your displeasure with a shadow of respect for others' opinions is perfectly fine and would probably net you very neutral reactions. But the "Haha, no YOU'RE a troll, and all you chicks are so lame talking about your pretty boys" stuff is, frankly, coming across as insecure and offensive. If you didn't intend it that way, you've not been expressing yourself very well.

Sure, say whatever you think. But please try to remember that though we squee, fangirls are people too. In our normal lives we like normal people with round ears. We just like fantasy, like any Dragon Age fan, and we enjoy remembering what it feels like to be a dorky teenager sometimes. Life is more fun that way.

But hey, props for at least thinking the naked chick cards in the Witcher were ridiculous. They totally were.

Modifié par Wynne, 19 décembre 2010 - 11:16 .

[tankgirly]

Wynne wrote...

When you enter a thread which you know is going to be annoyed by and/or hostile to your opinions and goad the posters there into becoming irritated with you and paying you negative attention, that's a fairly good indication that you're trolling. That's basically the definition right there, in fact.

Saying something is over the top or expressing your displeasure with a shadow of respect for others' opinions is perfectly fine and would probably net you very neutral reactions. But the "Haha, no YOU'RE a troll, and all you chicks are so lame talking about your pretty boys" stuff is, frankly, coming across as insecure and offensive. If you didn't intend it that way, you've not been expressing yourself very well.

Sure, say whatever you think. But please try to remember that though we squee, fangirls are people too. In our normal lives we like normal people with round ears. We just like fantasy, like any Dragon Age fan, and we enjoy remembering what it feels like to be a dorky teenager sometimes. Life is more fun that way.

But hey, props for at least thinking the naked chick cards in the Witcher were ridiculous. They totally were.

You had no idea how much I love you for saying that! :wub::wub::wub::wub:

[PoisonTheCity]

TanithAeyrs wrote...
*snip*

Yeah, the Rinna debacle was forefront in my mind, as I've been working on a fic that chronicles their mission together. Hence why it'd take place in a tavern - Zev would probably be drowning his sorrows a bit and came across an interesting looking elf, struck up a conversation and knew he could give him a lot of help with a small bit of effort. I agree with you that they'd both be very closed off to new people, that's why I'm not looking for warm fuzzies or for them to fall madly in love and dig beneath the layers of each other's pasts - just a chance encounter in a tavern where Zev takes his mind off things a bit by talking to someone new. No hawt elf secks, no love, just an evening spent between two of my favourite BioWare characters.

revan11exile wrote...

So does anybody know the weapon set Fenris is using (is it one-handed sword or sword and shield)

I'm totally in the 'it's a two-handed sword' boat. Elven warriors ftw! Fenny will be my DA2 Alistair.

As for the topic of whether Fenny is an LI or not, I like the 'smirk' theory. If he does have a romance, I don't think it'll be a conventional one -- which is good. His perceived cynicism could make for some hawt sardonicism. /Sardonic humour fangirl.

[TanithAeyrs]

@Poison the City

I would love to read that fic- it sounds like a way to allow two great characters to interact.  I just couldn't see Zev going too far out of his way to help a stranger, particularly after what he has been through. Do you post on FF.net?

And I've been trying really hard not to squee all over Fenris until we know more - but still, Gaider writing a tortured elf guy - he has to be full of win.  I suspect some of the previous posts may have a hint of his personality - bitter, sarcastic, with a wry humor (at least I'm hoping).  Particularly with the memory loss, I don't see him as being easily romanceable (if he is a LI) and my Wardens will certainly consider his background before entering a relationship.

Modifié par TanithAeyrs, 19 décembre 2010 - 11:44 .

[tankgirly]

Hey, guys. Just found this:

David Gaider wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

So now that we know Fenris was experimented on by a magister and Shale was experimented on by Wilhelm; and both had memory loss-



Does lyrium have that sort of effect on everyone or just those particular enchantments done to our companions? Why don't dwarven miners or mages who chug lyrium potions suffer memory loss?

It's not "lyrium = memory loss" and more "trauma = memory loss".

Mary Kirby wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...



betrayal, loss, both?{smilie}

Shale got on an anvil and had molten lyrium poured directly onto her. Fenris had it pumped into his skin. It's physical trauma.

Humph...interesting notion to ponder, don't you think?

[PoisonTheCity]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

@Poison the City

I would love to read that fic- it sounds like a way to allow two great characters to interact.  I just couldn't see Zev going too far out of his way to help a stranger, particularly after what he has been through. Do you post on FF.net?

And I've been trying really hard not to squee all over Fenris until we know more - but still, Gaider writing a tortured elf guy - he has to be full of win.  I suspect some of the previous posts may have a hint of his personality - bitter, sarcastic, with a wry humor (at least I'm hoping).  Particularly with the memory loss, I don't see him as being easily romanceable (if he is a LI) and my Wardens will certainly consider his background before entering a relationship.

Thanks. I've been meaning to get an FF account for a while - any fanfic I've written so far has been collecting dust in a folder on my PC. I'll probably sign up once my Rinna/Zev story is done.

And I like the idea of Fenny not being an 'easy' romance. I imagine with everything that's happened to him, and with being on the run from the Tevinter Master, a relationship wouldn't be foremost on his mind.

That doesn't mean it can't happen though. :innocent:

tankgirly wrote...

Humph...interesting notion to ponder, don't you think?

As I posted in that thread, 'Woobie senses tingling [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]'. It is indeed interesting, and slightly disturbing, to think about.

[tankgirly]

@TIM, oh, indeed.

[Away]

@ PosionTheCity, I'd totally read that, Zev is my favourite too so far, though if Fen is even a quarter of what people hope for he may win out.

As for the trauma, we sort of touched on it earlier, but yes, it does make one wonder. Mostly, it makes me wonder how he must view himself I mean, if he remembers any of the horror he was subjected to, that would be hard on your self confidence wouldn't it? Suffering through that and only remembering that you've been made to suffer could really dictate what a person thinks is their lot in life, could make a person a sort of self destrutive knight templar sort. Only, not actually a templar, but you probably knew that.

Edited for clarity. Clarity is important.

Modifié par TheSquadette, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[TanithAeyrs]

They know what I am. Let them come, if they find the courage."

Of course, this statement also makes him come across as arrogant and kind of grim. Hmm....

Modifié par TanithAeyrs, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:16 .

[Away]

I meant to edit for clarity, but I didn't so much mean 'woe is me my life sucks' as a fairly self destructive 'I'll take anything and everything until I simply can't' style fighter, which is way more in line with that quote than a whiny loner. They're not as fun.

[PoisonTheCity]

TheSquadette wrote...

@ PosionTheCity, I'd totally read that, Zev is my favourite too so far, though if Fen is even a quarter of what people hope for he may win out.

As for the trauma, we sort of touched on it earlier, but yes, it does make one wonder. Mostly, it makes me wonder how he must view himself I mean, if he remembers any of the horror he was subjected to, that would be hard on your self confidence wouldn't it? Suffering through that and only remembering that you've been made to suffer could really dictate what a person thinks is their lot in life.

Aye, he seems pretty confident in his abilities (no doubt from being used as a living weapon), but that's no indication of what his self-worth is. I mean, if you'd been used and tortured throughout all the life you can remember, you'd no doubt end up with a strange view of yourself. That's why it's up to Hawke to show him that being a living weapon/slave to a Tevinter magister is not all he'd be good at. :innocent:

Speaking of that, I was doing a tablet doodle a day or two ago while wondering what would happen if you failed his personal quest and he was re-captured and tortured into losing his memory again.



Though his memory had faded once more to a haze, his time with her shone brightly through the mist - a perpetual reminder that this torture was not all that existed in the world; that beauty and life would remain.

[TanithAeyrs]

Yeah, I can see the self-destructive fighter as a possibility (maybe even a paladin type who is dedicated to righting wrongs because of what was done to him). I can also see him as vengance driven once he pulls himself together. He may also be so traumatized that he desires nothing more than to hide away from everything that matters (losing himself in battle could be a way to do this).

I would love it if Gaider would hint at what (if any) characters inspired him to develop Fenris. In the old (pre-DAO release) forums he said that Zevran was inspired by Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Mal from Firefly and that Alistair was partly inspired by Xander from Buffy.

Also, love the pic, PoisontheCity

Modifié par TanithAeyrs, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:30 .

[tankgirly]

Awesome work, kwintessa.



If anyone's looking for me again, I had returned to my bunk.

[Ceridwen]

Poison, that pic is so cute and the lines after it are so poignant.

Tanith – I would also like to know who or what David Gaider was inspired by when creating Fenris. Well, I want to know the inspiration behind each of the characters in DA2, but right now... mostly Fenny. xD

Edit: Wow tankgirly, you are a fast lady! I posted that not but two minutes ago on dA...

Modifié par kwintessa, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:35 .

[Away]

Yum, chocolate. I think I'd noticed that earlier actually, I must of still been sleep if I didn't remark on it. But yes, very nice work kwintessa, very nice indeed.



And yeah, knowing who inspired him could really fuel some speculation, we do a lot of that don't we? I wonder if this is in any way like the old Alistair thread I've heard about, I mean, was speculation this rampant? I wasn't around at the time so I've no clue.

[tankgirly]

@kwintessa, I happened to be lurking around the corner XD

[Minxie]

TheSquadette wrote...



I meant to edit for clarity, but I didn't so much mean 'woe is me my life sucks' as a fairly self destructive 'I'll take anything and everything until I simply can't' style fighter, which is way more in line with that quote than a whiny loner. They're not as fun.

Yeah I don't think he'll be whiny at all. He'll only reveal enough information so that Hawke has a rough idea of the crap he's gone through (for pure storytelling purposes). Overall I think he'll be more of a "It's not worth talking about" kind of guy. He might even get angry if Hawke presses him to talk about his past, or gruffly try to play down what's happened to him as not a big deal. He's buried all the pain deep inside him and doesn't want anybody digging it all up.He'd rather focus on the here and now.



Aiii, I can't stop speculating about this guy. What's wrong with meeeee!?

[Dr. Doctor]

I can see it now:

Zev: (Drunk off his feet) Hello my dear I must say that is a very unique hair color for a woman.

Fenris: I'm not a woman.

Zev:  Well that's alright....nice tatoos too, want to see some of mine?

Isabela: Don't mind him Fenris, Zevran's just a little more off his rocker than usual.

Zev: Warden...Warden...Oh hello Isabela, is it time to go back into The Pearl again? (Wraps arm around Fenris' shoulder) Come my fair-haired goddess, we will go and ride the waves in Isabela's cabin! (Stands up ready to leave)

Isabela: Zev, that's not such a great idea. Fenris here is spoken for....

(Suddenly Zevran is struck by a bolt of magical lightening knocking him out cold)

Bethany: Good riddance, (looks towards Fenris) Are you alright sweetheart?

Fenris: (looking at the singed Antivan Crow) Never better my dear.

[TanithAeyrs]

@kwintessa- Fenris and chocolate - that's hot.



@TheSquadette- the old forums were a hilarious - we had very little information and things got pretty crazy - you can still find the discussions if you go to the Bioware website and look for them. I'm hoping, as we get closer to release, the devs will trickle out more info - just so we can create even more wildly erroneous speculation - it's lots of fun.

[PoisonTheCity]

kwintessa wrote...

Poison, that pic is so cute and the lines after it are so poignant.

Tanith – I would also like to know who or what David Gaider was inspired by when creating Fenris. Well, I want to know the inspiration behind each of the characters in DA2, but right now... mostly Fenny. xD

Edit: Wow tankgirly, you are a fast lady! I posted that not but two minutes ago on dA...

Thanks! As for your pic, I think I just slobbered all over it on dA. Sorry about that. :innocent:  (But you knew it was coming, putting Fenny and Nutella in the same frame! )

I too would like to know what inspired the writers with their characters, especially Fenny because David obviously had a clear image of him in his mind, knowing who he wanted as the VA and all.

And tank is a ninja.

[Ceridwen]

Minxie18 wrote...

TheSquadette wrote...

I meant to edit for clarity, but I didn't so much mean 'woe is me my life sucks' as a fairly self destructive 'I'll take anything and everything until I simply can't' style fighter, which is way more in line with that quote than a whiny loner. They're not as fun.

Yeah I don't think he'll be whiny at all. He'll only reveal enough information so that Hawke has a rough idea of the crap he's gone through (for pure storytelling purposes). Overall I think he'll be more of a "It's not worth talking about" kind of guy. He might even get angry if Hawke presses him to talk about his past, or gruffly try to play down what's happened to him as not a big deal. He's buried all the pain deep inside him and doesn't want anybody digging it all up.He'd rather focus on the here and now.

Aiii, I can't stop speculating about this guy. What's wrong with meeeee!?

I imagine a large chunk of his time would be taken up by being semi-relieved that he escaped the magister. With our current knowledge of him, I agree that he would probably get angry with Hawke for trying to talk with him about the time he spent as a slave, because of the pain and trauma it caused. Do you think Hawke could push him too far with his/her questioning at one point, where he gets so angry he goes off on him/her?

You've been Fenris'd due to elongated exposure to his awesomeness. 

Edit: Awr thanks Poison, Squadette, and Tanith! I'm flattered

Modifié par kwintessa, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:49 .

[syllogi]

Wynne wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Youknow everyone got upset with her for that, but tbh I think it's fair. 

I
also remember when JK Rowling found out about fanfic and her response
was negative and everyone was upset and iunno to me, I would be the
same. I think people had to expect that...

But the thing is, it's silly. If you don't like them, you don't have to read them. If somebody loves your universe enough to play around in it, let them. It's never going to be as good or as real as the real thing--it's just an interesting exercise. It can help young writers practice and get feedback. How ungracious is it to say, "I don't like the idea of you writing something for free about something that I put out there, possibly increasing my popularity by causing newcomers to think 'if the fanfic is this good, the original has to be better'"? 

On one level I get it, but really, I think Gaider has the best attitude. Make a conscious choice not to poke around in the fan base too much and you're a happier person with happier fans.

Although I have enjoyed and written fanfiction, including some HP stuff, I understand where JK Rowling was coming from.  At the time of her statements on the subject, her characters were mostly underaged, and many of the fan fics depicted these characters in sexual situations, sometimes with adults.  Even if these scenarios were fine according to the law, it was not how she wished to portray her characters, and she probably did not want to even think about some of the stuff being written.  Considering that some authors are much, much more restrictive about their IP than she has been, I think she's been pretty reasonable.

But I think that if anyone decides to write fanfiction, they need to respect the individual authors wishes when it comes to the work.  It may seem ungracious if an author forbids fanfiction, but it's their world to play with, and, much like the piracy debate, if authors lose the right to their intellectual property, they have nothing.  So if they feel that allowing fan fiction creates a precedent that could cause them to lose their IP, I don't fault them for being cautious.

[dirtsa90]

Do you think there will be a emotional breakdown if you befriend/romance him enough?

[tankgirly]

@dirtsa90, you reckon?

Modifié par tankgirly, 20 décembre 2010 - 12:48 .