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[LinksOcarina]

God damn, I didn't expect so much love for Fenris already...



he is definitely an enigma so far, but all the talk of him being a jerk or a bastard I find a bit surprising. He is a runaway slaver from Tevinter if I remember correctly, so he may have seething hatred towards humans or mages or whatever like that, but I am expecting a more damaged character looking to define themselves over salting the earth. I kind of see him as a friendship thing, but that's me.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

distinguetraces wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
There are compelling reasons to sympathize with everyone.

Except for Sten. Get the hell out of my camp, you insubordinate hysteric.

Behold, a prime example of 'your mileage may vary.'

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 février 2011 - 06:22 .

[chelxoxo]

Hmm. *listening to voice clip yet again*

That he sounds so self-assured and 'I win, but I'm stating the obvious' is a +jerk attribute, but would a true jerk leave the ringleader to run while he can? He doesn't, but he did give a warning before pwning him. Just musing, but maybe that's a sign of mercy. Somewhat. Otherwise he could have just killed the all straight off and been done with it.

Also, someone said a few pages back that he walks from direction X to direction Y (to Hawke), which must mean Fen was separated from them or not met at all. Again, if he were really that ruthless wouldn't he have just kalima-ed everyone in the party? How would he know that Hawke and Co. weren't looking for him too? Because that Hawke was a mage. If he were really that ruthless, or even if he really hated mages, wouldn't he have just gone stab-stab and been done with it? Plus that other picture with different armour. Isn't it the same base armour with a few shinies on top... *was looking at the part under breastplate* same stitching imho. You can add shinies on top, but not change the base armour, was what it seemed like in the vids. I think. *rewatches just in case*

Hmm, wondering now if the companion pickups are in a nonspecific order, like in ME2...

Modifié par chelxoxo, 13 février 2011 - 06:29 .

[Lleyta Black]

My guess (and hope) is that Fenris will inhabit either a Chaotic Neutral or Chaotic Good moral. Maybe even True Neutral.

[Ninjacat513]

Noooo, the jerk can't be Anders *Clings to sarcastic mage* I think it might be Seb or Carver, but Fenris is also likely.



Maybe in the Friendship path you can break his "tough guy" wall, and in the Rivalry path it's more like (As stated before) "I hate that I love you! Nom!"

[Deliciously-Demonic]

I would prefer Chaotic Neutral. Chaotic Good and (True) Neutral are fine too, though. I bet Chaotic Neutral is most likely, though. I highly doubt he's big on laws, too. x3

[dirtsa90]

chelxoxo wrote...

Hmm. *listening to voice clip yet again*

That he sounds so self-assured and 'I win, but I'm stating the obvious' is a +jerk attribute, but would a true jerk leave the ringleader to run while he can? He doesn't, but he did give a warning before pwning him. Just musing, but maybe that's a sign of mercy. Somewhat. Otherwise he could have just killed the all straight off and been done with it.

Also, someone said a few pages back that he walks from direction X to direction Y (to Hawke), which must mean Fen was separated from them or not met at all. Again, if he were really that ruthless wouldn't he have just kalima-ed everyone in the party? How would he know that Hawke and Co. weren't looking for him too? Because that Hawke was a mage. If he were really that ruthless, or even if he really hated mages, wouldn't he have just gone stab-stab and been done with it? Plus that other picture with different armour. Isn't it the same base armour with a few shinies on top... *was looking at the part under breastplate* same stitching imho. You can add shinies on top, but not change the base armour, was what it seemed like in the vids. I think. *rewatches just in case*

Hmm, wondering now if the companion pickups are in a nonspecific order, like in ME2...

I really like your theory about ruthlessness. To me, warning the ringleader tells us that Fen killed the henchmen more out of self-defense than ruthless brutal killing. My warden was pretty goody-goody but slaughtered everyone in Jarvia's Hideout, because they attacked and tried to capture/kill me.

I personally think the companion pickups will be a little like in ME2, with some of the companions available after X amount of time, and the others after Y or Z (etc) amount of time.

EDIT: Regarding Fen's dialogue. I think he mostly sounds pissed off but I can also pick up some some self-confidence.

Modifié par dirtsa90, 13 février 2011 - 06:45 .

[Lleyta Black]

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

I would prefer Chaotic Neutral. Chaotic Good and (True) Neutral are fine too, though. I bet Chaotic Neutral is most likely, though. I highly doubt he's big on laws, too. x3

Yeah, I'd prefer Chaotic Neutral as well. I doubt he's "good" and I doubt he's "evil". And lawful his highly doubtful based of the PHASE PUNCH!

[dirtsa90]

Aah yes, chaotic neutral, the lunatic, anarchistic madmen..

I agree that he would fit in the chaotic neutral mind-set, when we look at the seperate terms..

I would love if he is chaotic-neutral and we'll be able to warp his alignment a little bit with time.

EDIT: My first edit got 'ed

Modifié par dirtsa90, 13 février 2011 - 06:49 .

[Deliciously-Demonic]

Maybe when you first find him he's completely neutral, and part of having him as a companion is helping him build a set of morals, making him good/evil or lawful/chaotic.

[GuldiienDAO]

dirtsa90 wrote...

Aah yes, chaotic neutral, the lunatic, anarchistic madmen..

Not necassarily, from wikipedia:

Chaotic Neutral is called the "Anarchist" or "Free Spirit" alignment. A character of this alignment is an individualist who follows his or her own heart, and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although they promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first. Good and Evil come second to their need to be free, and the only reliable thing about them is how totally unreliable they are. Chaotic Neutral characters are free-spirited and do not enjoy the unnecessary suffering of others, but if they join a team, it is because that team's goals coincide with their own. They invariably resent taking orders and can be very selfish in their pursuit of personal goals. A Chaotic Neutral character does not have to be an aimless wanderer; they may have a specific goal in mind, but their methods of achieving that goal are  often disorganized, unorthodox, or entirely unpredictable.

An unusual subset of Chaotic Neutral is "strongly Chaotic Neutral", describing a character who behaves chaotically to the point of appearing insane.

Modifié par GuldiienDAO, 13 février 2011 - 06:50 .

[La_Duchessa]

What's chaotic neutral?

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

chelxoxo wrote...

That he sounds so self-assured and 'I win, but I'm stating the obvious' is a +jerk attribute, but would a true jerk leave the ringleader to run while he can?

For sure. I guessed something kinda similar in on page 667. I think he's announcing it for his own benefit more than to warn the guy. But then he went and touched him.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 février 2011 - 06:52 .

[Fenn_]

I see him as starting out as chaotic neutral and then turning into something good or bad depending what Hawke pushes him towards. Right now though hes just looking after himself it seems. He does seem to be merciful though he did give the guy a chance to run.

Modifié par Fenn , 13 février 2011 - 06:52 .

[chelxoxo]

Lleyta Black wrote...

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

I would prefer Chaotic Neutral. Chaotic Good and (True) Neutral are fine too, though. I bet Chaotic Neutral is most likely, though. I highly doubt he's big on laws, too. x3

Yeah, I'd prefer Chaotic Neutral as well. I doubt he's "good" and I doubt he's "evil". And lawful his highly doubtful based of the PHASE PUNCH!

In my head he's insecure and uncertain with a frosty exterior because of his past, so I think chaotic neutral fits really well

What's your definition of a jerk, by the way? I know there's some speculating over Fenris being The Jerk, but it's not sticking in my head. I imagine a jerk to be nothing to do with morals... more someone who just disagrees with everything you do and say to be annoying, and who goes out of their way to be obstructive and do things you don't agree with. :/ Iunno... can't see Fen deliberately being IN THE WAY, based on what we know...

[Herr Uhl]

Pseudocognition wrote...

chelxoxo wrote...

That he sounds so self-assured and 'I win, but I'm stating the obvious' is a +jerk attribute, but would a true jerk leave the ringleader to run while he can?

I said something kinda similar in my guess on page 667. I think he's announcing it for his own benefit more than to warn the guy. But then he went and touched him.

He is the one I'd wager to kill for the least provocation amongst the current roster though. And being the most self-assured (in the ability to kill stuff).

[Ryzaki]

I hope he's more of a Chaotic good type myself. Cheesy I know.

Though chaotic neutral makes far more sense for his character.

*tends to play Chaotic good characters*  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 06:54 .

[Lleyta Black]

GuldiienDAO wrote...

dirtsa90 wrote...

Aah yes, chaotic neutral, the lunatic, anarchistic madmen..

Not necassarily, from wikipedia:

Chaotic Neutral is called the "Anarchist" or "Free Spirit" alignment. A character of this alignment is an individualist who follows his or her own heart, and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although they promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first. Good and Evil come second to their need to be free, and the only reliable thing about them is how totally unreliable they are. Chaotic Neutral characters are free-spirited and do not enjoy the unnecessary suffering of others, but if they join a team, it is because that team's goals coincide with their own. They invariably resent taking orders and can be very selfish in their pursuit of personal goals. A Chaotic Neutral character does not have to be an aimless wanderer; they may have a specific goal in mind, but their methods of achieving that goal are  often disorganized, unorthodox, or entirely unpredictable.

An unusual subset of Chaotic Neutral is "strongly Chaotic Neutral", describing a character who behaves chaotically to the point of appearing insane.

I can really imagine him being some of that.

@chelxoxo I doubt Fen is "The jerk". Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part because I don't want him to be a jerk. In my opinion a jerk is a person who will disagree with you even if it goes against there own morals. A jerk is someone who tries to make life harder for people.

This what dictionary.com says:

Slang . a contemptibly naive, fatuous, foolish, or inconsequential person.

Modifié par Lleyta Black, 13 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[Fenn_]

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope he's more of a Chaotic good type myself. Cheesy I know but I hope he's Balthier like.

I'm not familer with Balthier but I do like chaotic good characters. I could see Fenris freeing other slaves as well.

Modifié par Fenn , 13 février 2011 - 06:55 .

[stephen1493]

Fenn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope he's more of a Chaotic good type myself. Cheesy I know but I hope he's Balthier like.

I'm not familer with Balthier but I do like chaotic good characters.

He was the announcer in the Hanna Montanna singing video game.

Now do you know who he is?

[Fenn_]

I know he is in Final Fantasy twelve but thats it.

[foxtrotcharlie]

La_Duchessa wrote...

What's chaotic neutral?

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Don't be fooled, there's a lot of other 'examples' online, but this is largely the best example I could find.  

"People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.A chaotic neutral person or roleplaying character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions.A chaotic neutral person does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer).A chaotic neutral person may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it.Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom from both society’s restrictions and a do-gooder’s zeal.” 

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 février 2011 - 07:03 .

[dirtsa90]

After watching the video over and over, when Fen is talking to the "ringleader" he actually walks past him without even looking in his direction. To me it seems like Fen is walking more towards Hawke & Co, do you guys think that Fen is actually talking to Hawke, thinking he is the "ringleader"?


Bonus info: Fen's voice is growing on me, YES *throws confetti*

[Ryzaki]

Fenn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I hope he's more of a Chaotic good type myself. Cheesy I know but I hope he's Balthier like.

I'm not familer with Balthier but I do like chaotic good characters. I could see Fenris freeing other slaves as well.

Yeah its hard to explain if you haven't played the game. 

Though from the descrips I read Fenris seems to hit True Neutral. 

As long as he doesn't kick puppies for the lulz or hit chaotic stupid I don't mind. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 février 2011 - 06:59 .