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[Collider]

Pseudocognition wrote...

*headscratch*

Whatever floats your boats I guess. XD;

I don't know how that would work either, what if he or any other LI ninja-romanced Hawke and suddenly they had your PC horizontal? That would annoy a lot more people than just "I offer you a 'massage' y/n?" Though they are smoothing out the ninja romance thing...

I hate the ninjamances. Given their effort to denote which options have the player character flirting, it'd be disappointing if we still have them despite that.
They could do something where the player character does not necessarily say anything, but the player gives the go for the love interest to take the initiative. Basically behind the scenes stuff.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Now that be a perfect spot for a interrupt if they had them in DA2. Get a chance to back it off or allow it.

[Collider]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Now that be a perfect spot for a interrupt if they had them in DA2. Get a chance to back it off or allow it.

I agree, that would work.

[MarginalBeast]

Pseudocognition wrote...

*headscratch*

Whatever floats your boats I guess. XD;

I don't know how that would work either, what if he or any other LI ninja-romanced Hawke and suddenly they had your PC horizontal? That would annoy a lot more people than just "I offer you a 'massage' y/n?" Though they are smoothing out the ninja romance thing...

I don't know, they might go the ME2 route, in which Hawke will be forced to be blatantly obvious if he/she wants to romance anyone, so ninja-romances shouldn't be a problem. Either that or the flirt icons won't be as vital as I'm assuming.

But what I meant was that, if a situation arose in which a LI DID push Hawke up against a wall and started to kiss her, it'd be awkward if you had to wait for a dialogue wheel to pop up so that you can pick your choice of pushing him away or encouraging him. I could see it working with something similar to ME's interrupt system though.

[Lucy Glitter]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Oh I know that's not what you said. I dunno. Just commenting on the general iffiness of a hypothetical LI plot that goes just friends > eliminate creepy "in love" magister > romance. I've officially lost track of my own thoughts on the subject now, lol.

Hm, that's true from that perspective. 

However, it could work youknow. Later on down the track after magister is eliminated... Fenris can move on to a certain extent from that and be comforted by Hawke or something idek.

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Now that be a perfect spot for a interrupt if they had them in DA2. Get a chance to back it off or allow it.

yeeeesssss <3

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Collider wrote...
I hate the ninjamances. Given their effort to denote which options have the player character flirting, it'd be disappointing if we still have them despite that.
They could do something where the player character does not necessarily say anything, but the player gives the go for the love interest to take the initiative. Basically behind the scenes stuff.

I think people who want back-to-wall shenanigans also want the surprise? I'm not sure.

So something like a [saucy affirmative eyebrow waggle] action selection? Haha.

The problem with the interrupt is that unless the characters then address the awkwardness of misccommunication, it'd be... a huge disconnect. Also then what if the animation implies Hawke is cool with it until you say otherwise?

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Collider]

Well I mean, you could have the surprise, but if you couldn't break off the kiss, then you'd be sacrificing player freedom. There are certain things that have to be given up in the cinematics because it's a game that emphasizes player choice.

[namedforthemoon]

Has it been confirmed yet that Fenris is the character that will be pushing Hawke up against the wall and kissing him/her? Just asking because I can't remember what was said exactly about that particular... Um... Happening.

Modifié par namedforthemoon, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:12 .

[Collider]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Has it been confirmed yet that Fenris is the character that will be pushing Hawke up against the wall and kissing him/her?

It has not been confirmed. David Gaider has said that he'd like to write a character who does something in that vein some day, but it has not even been confirmed that Fenris is a romance option to begin with.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Pseudocognition wrote...

The problem with the interrupt is that unless the characters then address the awkwardness of misccommunication, it'd be... a huge disconnect. Also then what if the animation implies Hawke is cool with it until you say otherwise?

I imagine they would address it. Just the same if Hawke went along with it. The animation wise I would go with a surprise kiss. Have Hawke's initial expression be surprise and either a push off or some such, or giving into the kiss. The following dialogue/actions after the kiss/push off would go off obviouly in two different directions. Though of course that is all hypothetical since as far as I know there has been no mentions of interrupts in DA2. Which is to bad I did enjoy them in ME2.

Modifié par Sigil_Beguiler123, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:15 .

[Dunedien]

Considering he has not had much interaction with people since he lost his memory, and no constant until the party, a ninja-mance by misinterpretation of signals could be very feasible personality wise, if not system-wise. It would be pretty unexpected and exciting though. Especially if you are in a romance with another and you have to then explain why he was kissing you, or if you are in a romance with another they could but in. Don't know how it would work with the system though.
A misunderstanding of the sort between him and another NPC would still be unexpected and interesting if he is not an LI, particularly if the other NPC is your sister, and you had the option to but in or leave it alone. This would be much easier to do.

EDIT: I also like sigil_beguiler's idea above me for handling the interaction.:happy:

Modifié par Dunedien, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:14 .

[Collider]

Some misunderstanding between Hawke and Fenris is fine, but I want to be able to clearly decide whether *my* Hawke wants the romance with any character.

[namedforthemoon]

Collider wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Has it been confirmed yet that Fenris is the character that will be pushing Hawke up against the wall and kissing him/her?

It has not been confirmed. David Gaider has said that he'd like to write a character who does something in that vein some day, but it has not even been confirmed that Fenris is a romance option to begin with.

Aha, thanks. I had it confused that there was going to be a romance in DA2 that was going to do that to Hawke.

[Liyros]

Well, if this pushing towards a wall event is going to occur, I think a few dialogue moments in which Hawke makes flirty remarks should have been undertaken. So that the player at least has the intention of either romance or being a tease and breaking off the sudden advance by the LI. I'm not sure

[Lucy Glitter]

Collider wrote...

Some misunderstanding between Hawke and Fenris is fine, but I want to be able to clearly decide whether *my* Hawke wants the romance with any character.

Hence the idea of interrupts. So in ME terms, Paragon would be go with it, Renegade would be push away... though obviously neither would be classed as good or bad actions.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Dunedien wrote...

Considering he has not had much interaction with people since he lost his memory, and no constant until the party, a ninja-mance by misinterpretation of signals could be very feasible personality wise, if not system-wise. It would be pretty unexpected and exciting though. Especially if you are in a romance with another and you have to then explain why he was kissing you, or if you are in a romance with another they could but in. Don't know how it would work with the system though.
A misunderstanding of the sort between him and another NPC would still be unexpected and interesting if he is not an LI, particularly if the other NPC is your sister, and you had the option to but in or leave it alone. This would be much easier to do.

EDIT: I also like sigil_beguiler's idea above me for handling the interaction.:happy:

At least from what I've heard from friends who have been in more interesting social situations than I have, a miscommunication that bad usually results in simply not communicating anymore. At all. >_>

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Has it been confirmed yet that Fenris is the character that will be pushing Hawke up against the wall and kissing him/her? Just asking because I can't remember what was said exactly about that particular... Um... Happening.

The only reason I think this holds water is because Gaider said something about writing a LI that will push Fem!Hawke against a wall and kiss her (followed by fangirl squees of delight) back when DAII was first annonuced.

We know it's fact Fen's being written by Mr. Gaider. Let's just see if Fen's a LI, and when DAII comes out, if he went through with it.


Anyway, I'm off to bed. Passing out at the desk isn't fun.

Night all!

Modifié par Madame Rose Crimsynn, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:29 .

[Collider]

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

I think Gaider did say something about more aggressive romance for the rivalry path.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Collider wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

I think Gaider did say something about more aggressive romance for the rivalry path.

*Nods* That romance whether it is friendship or rivalry would be quite different. I just meant in general it could set up some good rivalry options, even if one was already in a rivalry romance.

[Dunedien]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Dunedien wrote...

Considering he has not had much interaction with people since he lost his memory, and no constant until the party, a ninja-mance by misinterpretation of signals could be very feasible personality wise, if not system-wise. It would be pretty unexpected and exciting though. Especially if you are in a romance with another and you have to then explain why he was kissing you, or if you are in a romance with another they could but in. Don't know how it would work with the system though.
A misunderstanding of the sort between him and another NPC would still be unexpected and interesting if he is not an LI, particularly if the other NPC is your sister, and you had the option to but in or leave it alone. This would be much easier to do.

EDIT: I also like sigil_beguiler's idea above me for handling the interaction.:happy:

At least from what I've heard from friends who have been in more interesting social situations than I have, a miscommunication that bad usually results in simply not communicating anymore. At all. >_>

Likewise speaking from friend's experience, it can be dealt with diplomatically, although there is always some akwardness or tension that takes time to go away. The fact that they all share a camp could add an interesting dynamic, for better or worse. I was not saying this could happen, or that it would be the best interaction if it did, merelly how it could occur within the game. Keep in mind that there are interactions within DA that depending upon how you deal with them can perminantly damage or change relationships with NPCs. Hardenning, what decision you make at Redcliff, who you chose as a romance option, etc.
I also admit that I am almost ready to go to sleep and may not be entirelly cohesive at the moment. I merelly thought the idea interesting and wanted to give my input.

Modifié par Dunedien, 20 décembre 2010 - 07:36 .

[MarginalBeast]

Collider wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

I think Gaider did say something about more aggressive romance for the rivalry path.

I hope that the rivalry romance path contains actual romance and not just "let's have lots of hot sex."

[Dunedien]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

I think Gaider did say something about more aggressive romance for the rivalry path.

I hope that the rivalry romance path contains actual romance and not just "let's have lots of hot sex."

Seconded.

[Collider]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Collider wrote...

Sigil_Beguiler123 wrote...

Hmm.. Well, that could be a good way for setting up the rivalry path more. A I'll show him/her what she/he missed out on. Kind of deal. Or potentially depends on how well one smooths things over post-hence. In general actually breaking off relationships I could really see scoring some serious rivalry points.

I think Gaider did say something about more aggressive romance for the rivalry path.

I hope that the rivalry romance path contains actual romance and not just "let's have lots of hot sex."

No doubt about that.

[Sigil_Beguiler123]

Yeah also hope there is actual romance. Will be interesting to see how they pull it off while still keeping the rivalry going.