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[Madame Rose Crimsynn]

Maera Imrov wrote...

Deliciously-Demonic wrote...

So, songs for a Fenris romance anyones?

Romance: (perhaps Rivalry, could be Friendship, depends on how he is?) The Cross - Within Temptation


Or maybe it's just because I am excessively pissed off about irl things atm that I'm in a darker-music mood.

Hmm... I was going for "Faster", but okie dokie.

KikixStar wrote...

For Fenris romance songs, only one song comes to mind. Contagious - Trapt
(prolly because of the line about veins *shrugs*)

*Starts humming song. Pulls out IPod and pops in headphones*

[LittleLuey]

Your Obsession - Joanna



"I'm gonna mess you up so bad.

I'm gonna drive you completely crazy.

Be the best thing you ever had.

I'll make you love me.

I'll make you love me..."



For those of us who want to take our Hawkes on the more creeper yet still adorable route. Is that possible? I think so.

[Astoria]

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone asked this before but I noticed this Codex entry the other day and this paragraph caught my eye:

Similarly, even when you send your mind into the Fade,
your body remains behind. Only once has this barrier been overcome, and
reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous.

(from the wiki)

The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

This is interesting. Makes me wonder what the magister's end game was. Perhaps an exalted march on the Black City or the Maker himself. Hm...

I love serious discussion! :wub::wub:

Make you wonder who's the elite boss in DA II aye? I kind of hope they will reveal that soon. Did they reveal that in Origin before the game release? Anyone know?

I do, as well. There's been a bit less of it as of late, but with VA and LI conformation I suppose it's understandable. 

I'm thinking the big bad is whoever we choose it to be. From the impression I have so far the major conflict is going to be Chantry vs. Mages. So depending upon who you sided with either Meredith or Orsino. That's my guess.

[SavesTheDay]

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

I don't really see how??  The lyrium burned into Fenris' skin was to make him into a powerful warrior.  The storming of the Golden City was a mass event that sucked up huge quantities of lyrium and lifeblood.  I don't really see the connection, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at?  Also Fenris isn't a mage, so I imagine he has the same connection to the Fade that any non-mage elf would, just entering it in dreams.  OTOH he does have that white effect like Fade Shroud.  Will be interesting to see what that is.

I know that Fenris isn't a mage but he was the Magister's slave, maybe he wanted to test the spell on Fenris before he used it himself?

[tankgirly]

Astoria wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone asked this before but I noticed this Codex entry the other day and this paragraph caught my eye:

Similarly, even when you send your mind into the Fade,
your body remains behind. Only once has this barrier been overcome, and
reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous.

(from the wiki)

The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

This is interesting. Makes me wonder what the magister's end game was. Perhaps an exalted march on the Black City or the Maker himself. Hm...

I love serious discussion! :wub::wub:

Make you wonder who's the elite boss in DA II aye? I kind of hope they will reveal that soon. Did they reveal that in Origin before the game release? Anyone know?

I do, as well. There's been a bit less of it as of late, but with VA and LI conformation I suppose it's understandable. 

I'm thinking the big bad is whoever we choose it to be. From the impression I have so far the major conflict is going to be Chantry vs. Mages. So depending upon who you sided with either Meredith or Orsino. That's my guess.

*Gasp* Does that means if I choose the mages Fenris will despise me? And if I choose the Chantry Anders will hate me?

[Astoria]

This is the only acceptable rivalmance song.

[LittleLuey]

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone asked this before but I noticed this Codex entry the other day and this paragraph caught my eye:

Similarly, even when you send your mind into the Fade,
your body remains behind. Only once has this barrier been overcome, and
reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous.

(from the wiki)

The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

This is interesting. Makes me wonder what the magister's end game was. Perhaps an exalted march on the Black City or the Maker himself. Hm...

I love serious discussion! :wub::wub:

Make you wonder who's the elite boss in DA II aye? I kind of hope they will reveal that soon. Did they reveal that in Origin before the game release? Anyone know?

I do, as well. There's been a bit less of it as of late, but with VA and LI conformation I suppose it's understandable. 

I'm thinking the big bad is whoever we choose it to be. From the impression I have so far the major conflict is going to be Chantry vs. Mages. So depending upon who you sided with either Meredith or Orsino. That's my guess.

*Gasp* Does that means if I choose the mages Fenris will despise me? And if I choose the Chantry Anders will hate me?

Oh, shi- That actually is a good point. It has already been said that some events will make certain characters leave the party REGARDLESS of approval level or even relationship.

[Addai]

SavesTheDay wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

I don't really see how??  The lyrium burned into Fenris' skin was to make him into a powerful warrior.  The storming of the Golden City was a mass event that sucked up huge quantities of lyrium and lifeblood.  I don't really see the connection, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at?  Also Fenris isn't a mage, so I imagine he has the same connection to the Fade that any non-mage elf would, just entering it in dreams.  OTOH he does have that white effect like Fade Shroud.  Will be interesting to see what that is.

I know that Fenris isn't a mage but he was the Magister's slave, maybe he wanted to test the spell on Fenris before he used it himself?

So you think the magister is trying to get into the Black City??  Why would he do that?  Just trying to figure out what the angle is.

[Deliciously-Demonic]

@LittleLuey; I've said 'Stephen' by Ke$ha would fit that well.



Fenris, why won't you call me?

I'm sitting here waiting.

Why won't you call me?



Feeeeeeeen....

Don't you you think I'm...pretty?

Do you not... love me?

Is that why you

won't

call

meeeee?!





Yeah...creepy stalker is creepy.

[Erani]

SavesTheDay wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

I don't really see how??  The lyrium burned into Fenris' skin was to make him into a powerful warrior.  The storming of the Golden City was a mass event that sucked up huge quantities of lyrium and lifeblood.  I don't really see the connection, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at?  Also Fenris isn't a mage, so I imagine he has the same connection to the Fade that any non-mage elf would, just entering it in dreams.  OTOH he does have that white effect like Fade Shroud.  Will be interesting to see what that is.

I know that Fenris isn't a mage but he was the Magister's slave, maybe he wanted to test the spell on Fenris before he used it himself?

Well, the lyrium experiment must have had another purpose besides making Fenris a very strong warrior. It seems to me as though the Magister wanted to test the boundaries of magic....so yes perhaps he was testing something new.....Lyrium is very expensive so this Magister went to great lengths to test it, whatever it is. I mean, the lyrium has a connection to how he can phase through but lyrium also has a connection to the fade so...

[Astoria]

tankgirly wrote...

*Gasp* Does that means if I choose the mages Fenris will despise me? And if I choose the Chantry Anders will hate me?

I hope so. But it was said that if you are rivals with someone, once you max out the gauge you can either change their mind about a big issue (I'm guessing this is it for the both of them) or they leave in a huff (or you kill them, maybe). I plan on having them both in party at all times just for this possibility. And Isabella. I shall romance all three at once. It will be an interesting first playthrough.

[Reinara]

haha since we don't really know how the romance will go I'm not too sure of a song, but for the time being the song that pops to mind when I think of how I envision the romance to go is MISIA's Edge of This World (), which is a Japanese song but the part of the lyrics that strikes me most is:



"If there's something I strongly wish for I can live more like myself

If I can find something for someone's sake someday, I'll choose the path of believing"



the rest of the lyrics are http://carlenne.live....com/20198.html if you're curious to see the rest.

[LittleLuey]

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

I don't really see how??  The lyrium burned into Fenris' skin was to make him into a powerful warrior.  The storming of the Golden City was a mass event that sucked up huge quantities of lyrium and lifeblood.  I don't really see the connection, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at?  Also Fenris isn't a mage, so I imagine he has the same connection to the Fade that any non-mage elf would, just entering it in dreams.  OTOH he does have that white effect like Fade Shroud.  Will be interesting to see what that is.

I know that Fenris isn't a mage but he was the Magister's slave, maybe he wanted to test the spell on Fenris before he used it himself?

So you think the magister is trying to get into the Black City??  Why would he do that?  Just trying to figure out what the angle is.

I'm kinda grasping at straws here or using old cliches, but what if they are trying to MAKE mages? So they can overthrow the Chantry or something. Since most mages are caught and taken to the Circle, maybe first they need to make mages the Templars CAN'T catch.

What if Fenris was actually allowed to escape so they can test to see if he's catchable or not? I'm not sure what their backup plan is in case he did get caught, but it's food for thought.

Modifié par LittleLuey, 16 février 2011 - 05:00 .

[Erani]

LittleLuey wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

Astoria wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

I'm not sure if anyone asked this before but I noticed this Codex entry the other day and this paragraph caught my eye:

Similarly, even when you send your mind into the Fade,
your body remains behind. Only once has this barrier been overcome, and
reputedly the spell required two-thirds of the lyrium in the Tevinter Imperium as well as the lifeblood of several hundred slaves. The results were utterly disastrous.

(from the wiki)

The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

This is interesting. Makes me wonder what the magister's end game was. Perhaps an exalted march on the Black City or the Maker himself. Hm...

I love serious discussion! :wub::wub:

Make you wonder who's the elite boss in DA II aye? I kind of hope they will reveal that soon. Did they reveal that in Origin before the game release? Anyone know?

I do, as well. There's been a bit less of it as of late, but with VA and LI conformation I suppose it's understandable. 

I'm thinking the big bad is whoever we choose it to be. From the impression I have so far the major conflict is going to be Chantry vs. Mages. So depending upon who you sided with either Meredith or Orsino. That's my guess.

*Gasp* Does that means if I choose the mages Fenris will despise me? And if I choose the Chantry Anders will hate me?

Oh, shi- That actually is a good point. It has already been said that some events will make certain characters leave the party REGARDLESS of approval level or even relationship.

Really??! WAaaaahhh I didn't know this...I thought because of the rivalry system (disagree with you but respect you) companions wouldn't leave you anymore. 

[Reinara]

Astoria wrote...

This is the only acceptable rivalmance song.

looool I actually thought that too XD

also @Ineffable Igor: coincedentally I actually considered Florence + the Machines' song "Howl"  song too before I realized that it might fit the Anders Romance more, what with the revelation in his romance reveal short story haha.

[SavesTheDay]

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
The Codex links the results to the Darkspawn but Fenris has that ability where he can phase through things. Is it possible that this ability was an attempt to recreate that spell? He did have lyrium burnt into his skin by a Tevinter magister and he was once a slave.

I don't really see how??  The lyrium burned into Fenris' skin was to make him into a powerful warrior.  The storming of the Golden City was a mass event that sucked up huge quantities of lyrium and lifeblood.  I don't really see the connection, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're getting at?  Also Fenris isn't a mage, so I imagine he has the same connection to the Fade that any non-mage elf would, just entering it in dreams.  OTOH he does have that white effect like Fade Shroud.  Will be interesting to see what that is.

I know that Fenris isn't a mage but he was the Magister's slave, maybe he wanted to test the spell on Fenris before he used it himself?

So you think the magister is trying to get into the Black City??  Why would he do that?  Just trying to figure out what the angle is.

Maybe he does want to get into the Black City. It's possible that there is a lot to learn about the Darkspawn from the Black City or the Golden City. That is, if the Golden City wasn't just a metaphor or something.

When I read the codex entry I was mostly wondering if a lot of slaves had to die for Fenris to get that phasing ability. I suppose I could've been a little clearer in my original post.

Edit: Spelling

Modifié par SavesTheDay, 16 février 2011 - 05:06 .

[Addai]

SavesTheDay wrote...
When I read the codex entry I wa mostly wondering if a lot of slaves had to die for Fenris to get that phasing ability. I suppose I could've been a little clearer in my original post.

Ah, I see.  Man I hope not.  Talk about guilt.    Assuming Fenris would remember that.

[Deliciously-Demonic]

Fenris leaving Lady!Hawke even though he loves her? *coughangstyconvocough*

[LittleLuey]

Erani wrote...

Really??! WAaaaahhh I didn't know this...I thought because of the rivalry system (disagree with you but respect you) companions wouldn't leave you anymore. 

I think in this case, they aren't leaving you because of their personal feelings for you. For example, if we're going with Fenris hates mages route and you romance him, if you side with the mages, he'll still love you but if you're going to take this path then he can't come with you. He doesn't hate you, but he's not about to abandon his own convictions. This is just an example, though, but yeah.

Modifié par LittleLuey, 16 février 2011 - 05:05 .

[tankgirly]

Astoria wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

*Gasp* Does that means if I choose the mages Fenris will despise me? And if I choose the Chantry Anders will hate me?

I hope so. But it was said that if you are rivals with someone, once you max out the gauge you can either change their mind about a big issue (I'm guessing this is it for the both of them) or they leave in a huff (or you kill them, maybe). I plan on having them both in party at all times just for this possibility. And Isabella. I shall romance all three at once. It will be an interesting first playthrough.

Am definitely going to do a couple of playthrough to explore that area. I remember in the Urn's quest, if you didn't take Wynne and decided to distroy the Urn, then she will not attack you. But Leliana will regardless you take her or not. And if you spared Loghain, Alistair will simplly left.

Similar situation happened in Awakanings as well. Could this be one of the 'hook' David mentioned?

Time to go, my usual Wednesday night off.

Don't forget the prompt tomorrow (NZ time).

Night.

Modifié par tankgirly, 16 février 2011 - 05:09 .

[Ex-Paladin]

Here the Dragon Age wikia for the Friendship and Rivalry.

Now I'm kinda nervous about romancing Fenris in rivalry

[Addai]

LittleLuey wrote...
I'm kinda grasping at straws here or using old cliches, but what if they are trying to MAKE mages? So they can overthrow the Chantry or something. Since most mages are caught and taken to the Circle, maybe first they need to make mages the Templars CAN'T catch.

Well in Tevinter the mages are the ones in charge, and the Black Divine goes along with it (or maybe is a mage? can't remember).  I would guess they want "superweapons" to use against the Qunari, since that seems to be their biggest problem as of game time.

What if Fenris was actually allowed to escape so they can test to see if he's catchable or not? I'm not sure what their backup plan is in case he did get caught, but it's food for thought.

Rambo!    If I was going to do that, I'd send him up against mercenaries rather than Tevinter soldiers.

[Deliciously-Demonic]

Oh dear. It's going be Valen all over again, isn't it...and this time, no true names to make him stay on your side. Sad fan-girl is sad. I now believe I will have to kill Fenris down the line if I keep my mage anti-Chantry.

[SavesTheDay]

Addai67 wrote...

SavesTheDay wrote...
When I read the codex entry I was mostly wondering if a lot of slaves had to die for Fenris to get that phasing ability. I suppose I could've been a little clearer in my original post.

Ah, I see.  Man I hope not.  Talk about guilt.    Assuming Fenris would remember that.

That's a good point. If Fenris does remember that would he want vengeance?