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[LukaCrosszeria]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

While we only have a short story, screenshots, and a small clip to go by.. I still sense he is quite arrogant and very cocky.

His response to the people hunting him down? "Let them come". He is very confident in his own abilities to take care of confrontations, and from what the short story outlined, it doesn't seem like he cares much for the stakes. Hell, if I were a powerful body-weapon capable of phasing through other people, crushing their organs and was an untouchable person, I too would be pretty self assured.

Regardless, from what clues exist of him, I just don't see a Good Hawke friendship romance with Fenris. Aggression appeals to him, as well as confrontation. He scoffs at diplomacy (the short story says as much) and shuns weakness as pathetic (opinion on city elves / even the Dalish). It will inevitably be a Rival!Mance in that case.

However, if you prefer to play a more aggressive, badgirl... Friendship Romance with Fenris is highly more likely.

Meh, a lot of heroes (Revan, the Exile, the Warden) have boasted lines like that too without being called arrogant. He's not rubbing his own superiority in anyone's face. Don't forget that the attitude you see here is not towards your average joe, it's towards the people that hunt him so they can use him. As for his low opinion on the other Elves, all he wants is for his race to be treated as equals, taken seriously again. He scoffs at them because he thinks they should stand up for themselves more, rather than take this abuse from humans. Because he's suffered from it first hand, he wants it to end. What he is doing might come across as arrogant, but he's determined to show what Elves can be. I see only the pride he takes in himself and his people.

Pseudocognition wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

I think the line between confidence and arrogance is often blurred. A person can be confident of their abilities without being arrogant. Thane springs to mind in this case. Though, I will admit, that the two often go hand in hand. 

The arrogance comes in the form of seeking, or rather, not attempting to avoid, conflict that he can use to demonstrate the skills he is oh so confident in.

That's exactly what I mean. He is seeking conflict to demonstrate an Elf has skills to fear. It's not about himself per se, he is doing that because of the way all elves are treated, and the treatment he's suffered himself that shows how little elves are regarded by humans. He's saying, let the humans come, I'll show them what an elf can do. He's fighting on two fronts.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 16 février 2011 - 09:38 .

[upsettingshorts]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Femris begs to differ.

Now we're talking.

[HolyJellyfish]

elirian_19 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

I think the line between confidence and arrogance is often blurred. A person can be confident of their abilities without being arrogant. Thane springs to mind in this case. Though, I will admit, that the two often go hand in hand.

Am I opposed to a rival-mance? Absolutely not. In fact I'm expecting it because I'll be playing a mage… As long as rival-mance doesn't mean we're only doing it for the smex then I'm good. 

Thane was spiritual and selfless. If the story says anything, Fenris is very selfish, cocky, and self assured. But we shall see.

Not sure how rival mances will be played out, dinno. But I could see Fenris betraying or walking out on someone who isn't willing to burn down a crate full of kittens if those kittens happen to come between him and ultimately completing his goals. Not needlessly, of course.

True, Thane did have his spirituality going for him.

But… but… kittens. 

Fenris: "Its my one chance for freedom or the kittens, Hawke! You must make a decision!"
Kittens: "Mrowr..."
Fenris: "If you choose unwisely, I shall leave! I haven't time for this!"
Kittens: ".... Mrowr..."
Hawke: "...... C_____C..... *sigh. Burns kittens*"
Fenris: "YES!"
Fenris Approves +50
Anders: "NO! C_C VENGEANCE ON!"
Anders Disapproves -300
Fenris: "..... awwww sh*t"

[HolyJellyfish]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Meh, a lot of heroes (Revan, the Exile, the Warden) have boasted lines like that too without being called arrogant. He's not rubbing his own superiority in anyone's face. Don't forget that the attitude you see here is not towards your average joe, it's towards the people that hunt him so they can use him. As for his low opinion on the other Elves, all he wants is for his race to be treated as equals, taken seriously again. He scoffs at them because he thinks they should stand up for themselves more, rather than take this abuse from humans. Because he's suffered from it first hand, he wants it to end. What he is doing might come across as arrogant, but he's determined to show what Elves can be. I see only the pride he takes in himself and his people.

I dinno. He scoffs at his race for not standing up for themselves, looking down on them. He grins wickedly at a scared woman and steals a loaf of her bread before running away. He muses to himself about how smart he is for figuring out that the inn keeper probably sold him out.

Maybe one person's potato is another person's potatoe. But he seems very arrogant to me.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I'm very interested to see what paths people ultimately will take.

I have several Hawkes in mind all eager to punch his smug face in.

And just think, not a week ago all we had were reasons to pity him >_>;

[mellifera]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote..

But he doesn't have boobs or thigh-high boots.

Femris begs to differ.

You rang?


Also, I think it would have been infinitely cooler if Fenris had been a monk-type character in terms of fighting. Would have made the "Living Weapon" title a lot cooler. Probably limitations of the engine, but I don't really like him as a 2H warrior (though I wouldn't change his spec, it just doesn't mesh well in my head).

[LukaCrosszeria]

Selfish? For what, taking bread to survive? Wanting to defend himself? How on earth is he selfish anywhere?

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I dinno. He scoffs at his race for not standing up for themselves, looking down on them. He grins wickedly at a scared woman and steals a loaf of her bread before running away. He muses to himself about how smart he is for figuring out that the inn keeper probably sold him out.

Maybe one person's potato is another person's potatoe. But he seems very arrogant to me.

He doesn't do anything to that scared woman. Have you seen how Robin Hood teases frightened noble women in just about every movie and tv series? Stealing bread? Whoa, you arrogant selfish bastard, how dare you steal food to survive while being hunted. How dare you feel good about yourself for figuring out a trap. Seriously, don't you give yourself a pat on the shoulder when you've figured something out, let alone a plan to trap you.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 16 février 2011 - 09:42 .

[elirian_19]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

I think the line between confidence and arrogance is often blurred. A person can be confident of their abilities without being arrogant. Thane springs to mind in this case. Though, I will admit, that the two often go hand in hand.

Am I opposed to a rival-mance? Absolutely not. In fact I'm expecting it because I'll be playing a mage… As long as rival-mance doesn't mean we're only doing it for the smex then I'm good. 

Thane was spiritual and selfless. If the story says anything, Fenris is very selfish, cocky, and self assured. But we shall see.

Not sure how rival mances will be played out, dinno. But I could see Fenris betraying or walking out on someone who isn't willing to burn down a crate full of kittens if those kittens happen to come between him and ultimately completing his goals. Not needlessly, of course.

True, Thane did have his spirituality going for him.

But… but… kittens. 

Fenris: "Its my one chance for freedom or the kittens, Hawke! You must make a decision!"
Kittens: "Mrowr..."
Fenris: "If you choose unwisely, I shall leave! I haven't time for this!"
Kittens: ".... Mrowr..."
Hawke: "...... C_____C..... *sigh. Burns kittens*"
Fenris: "YES!"
Fenris Approves +50
Anders: "NO! C_C VENGEANCE ON!"
Anders Disapproves -300
Fenris: "..... awwww sh*t"

Vengeance: Hmmm. Barbequed kittens taste good.  
Anders:  *brain explodes*

[elirian_19]

Pseudocognition wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I'm very interested to see what paths people ultimately will take.

I have several Hawkes in mind all eager to punch his smug face in.

And just think, not a week ago all we had were reasons to pity him >_>;

I still pity him.

[HolyJellyfish]

Pseudocognition wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I'm very interested to see what paths people ultimately will take.

I have several Hawkes in mind all eager to punch his smug face in.

And just think, not a week ago all we had were reasons to pity him >_>;

I think my Anders Warrior Hawke and Isabela Mage Hawke will be more than happy to strangle him for endangering the party needlessly to pick fights with tevinters instead of laying low.

As for Fenris Rogue Hawke? We burn Kirkwall TOGETHER! C___C

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Selfish? For what, taking bread to survive? Wanting to defend himself? How on earth is he selfish anywhere?

Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

He is so very, very free, after so awesomely freeing himself, and he wants you to noooticeeeee.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 16 février 2011 - 09:45 .

[aimo_ahmed]

yukidama wrote...
You rang?


Also, I think it would have been infinitely cooler if Fenris had been a monk-type character in terms of fighting. Would have made the "Living Weapon" title a lot cooler. Probably limitations of the engine, but I don't really like him as a 2H warrior (though I wouldn't change his spec, it just doesn't mesh well in my head).

*scuttles in*

MONKS! A class that's after my heart...one thing I throughly loved about BG2; One hit kills at higher levels was so satisfying

*scuttles out*

[MorningBird]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I'm very interested to see what paths people ultimately will take.

I have several Hawkes in mind all eager to punch his smug face in.

And just think, not a week ago all we had were reasons to pity him >_>;

I think my Anders Warrior Hawke and Isabela Mage Hawke will be more than happy to strangle him for endangering the party needlessly to pick fights with tevinters instead of laying low.

As for Fenris Rogue Hawke? We burn Kirkwall TOGETHER! C___C

I'm planning on playing a jerk-face male!Hawke and squishy yet awesome Lady!Hawke.

Somehow, I cannot foresee things running smoothly with Fenris for either character. XD

[HolyJellyfish]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

He doesn't do anything to that scared woman. Have you seen how Robin Hood teases frightened noble women in just about every movie and tv series? Stealing bread? Whoa, you arrogant selfish bastard, how dare you steal food to survive while being hunted. How dare you feel good about yourself for figuring out a trap. Seriously, don't you give yourself a pat on the shoulder when you've figured something out, let alone a plan to trap you.

If he can phase through stuff and says he has plenty of coin to pay for an inn, I'm sure he'd been able to buy himself a nice breakfast or be more sneaky about taking something instead of stealing it right in front of another person whose house he is invading.

He's no Robin Hood. He's not helping anyone but himself, perhaps even at the expense of other people (Running through the woman's room and getting an innocent person involved, etc.)

Again, this is all entirely speculation.

 I don't think it wouldn't be beyond Fenris to endanger the party in order to confront the Tevinter Magister who once owned him.

[upsettingshorts]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

Plus he was drawing quite a bit of attention to himself, stroking it in public like that. Definitely cocky.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 février 2011 - 09:46 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

Plus he was drawing quite a bit of attention to himself, stroking it in public like that. Definitely cocky.

He positively oozes with confidence.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 16 février 2011 - 09:48 .

[upsettingshorts]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

Plus he was drawing quite a bit of attention to himself, stroking it in public like that. Definitely cocky.

He positively oozes with confidence.

Indeed, and it leaves quite a trail for his pursuers to follow.

[nightcobra]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

Plus he was drawing quite a bit of attention to himself, stroking it in public like that. Definitely cocky.

twirling his sword all over the place like there's no tomorrow, he's going to hurt himself one of these days.

[Muhu]

Now that we know Fenris is a LI, and he is one of the chars i am most interested of, i wonder how exactly does the "rival" romance work. Is it like a love-hate relationship where two people care for each other but can never admit it , or somekind of unwanted attraction which grows stronger until a breaking point? Can you *have* a romance with him if your rivalry level is too high?

[namedforthemoon]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

Plus he was drawing quite a bit of attention to himself, stroking it in public like that. Definitely cocky.

He positively oozes with confidence.

Indeed, and it leaves quite a trail for his pursuers to follow.

It wouldn't happen to be a trail of glowing oozing confidence, would it?

[LukaCrosszeria]

Pseudocognition wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Selfish? For what, taking bread to survive? Wanting to defend himself? How on earth is he selfish anywhere?

Just about everything he does in that short is him stroking his ego, or looking for opportunities to or inciting reactions to also stroke his ego. Or rationalizing the excessive stroking of his ego.

He is so very, very free, after so awesomely freeing himself, and he wants you to noooticeeeee.

Everythng he does? We have one short story and one scene. It's like I said, it's too soon to call him arrogant based on that. It seems too extreme to call him arrogant anyway. What, if he's not running whimpering like a scared little mouse, not daring to take even a loaf of bread and bowing mebbe to cleavagy girl, why he has to be arrogant? There's no inbetween, it's either cowering or arrogant? Even cocky and cheeky is a far cry from arrogant. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it can't be determined from what little that was shown.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 16 février 2011 - 09:51 .

[mellifera]

aimo_ahmed wrote...

yukidama wrote...
You rang?


Also, I think it would have been infinitely cooler if Fenris had been a monk-type character in terms of fighting. Would have made the "Living Weapon" title a lot cooler. Probably limitations of the engine, but I don't really like him as a 2H warrior (though I wouldn't change his spec, it just doesn't mesh well in my head).

*scuttles in*

MONKS! A class that's after my heart...one thing I throughly loved about BG2; One hit kills at higher levels was so satisfying

*scuttles out*

I mean, he's got the claw gauntlets and everything. Would have been ossum.

I'm wondering if using his powers has any sort of consequence upon him though. They're not exactly natural abilities like mages have, so I wonder how it affects him physically (if at all, which would be kinda boring if it had no effect whatsoever considering how he acquired them).

[HolyJellyfish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

He positively oozes with confidence.

Indeed, and it leaves quite a trail for his pursuers to follow.

I can see why some people would outright dislike these personality flaws, but I'm very excited. I've been waiting for a jerk LI forEVER. Badboy Garrus was as close as I could reach. I'm positively thrilled at the opportunity that I can have a partner in crime for being simply baaaaaaaad. Confrontation! :devil:

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

He positively oozes with confidence.

Indeed, and it leaves quite a trail for his pursuers to follow.

He really wants to show off his huge... talent.

/moulin rouge you really need to see it, shorts.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 16 février 2011 - 09:55 .

[LukaCrosszeria]

Muhu wrote...

Now that we know Fenris is a LI, and he is one of the chars i am most interested of, i wonder how exactly does the "rival" romance work. Is it like a love-hate relationship where two people care for each other but can never admit it , or somekind of unwanted attraction which grows stronger until a breaking point? Can you *have* a romance with him if your rivalry level is too high?

Tv tropes put the rival romance under "belligerent sexual tension / slap slap kiss"  It might go to love/hate if your rivalry is very high, I don't know. No party member will leave because of the friendly/rivalry bit, so I don't think a romance would end either if your rival level is too high.