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[SirOccam]

cin_zia wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Lol guys.

"If he were a romance I could do the whole Jacob thing."

"Were" being the key word. It's an if. He ain't saying yes or no. Marketing tactic to keep us on the forum, which keeps buzz going.

Hmmmm makes sense now that you mention it.

I'm not seeing it. It looks like the exception proving the rule to me.

"If I were tall, I could do a slam dunk" -> "I am not tall"

I hope my pessimism is proven wrong.

[Ex-Paladin]

DalishAssassin wrote...

It will be ok Ex-Paladin *reassuring pat*

yes...yes it will be....it can mean anything T^T

[buggirl]

Well, from a purely grammatical POW, it is quite possible that Mr. Gaider's did confirm that Fenris is not a romance.

It is also possible, from the specific placement of that sentence and from what I have read, in this and other threads, that Mr. Gaider is now eating cookies and gleefully enjoying the havoc his post will create.

That what good writing is all about...

[cin_zia]

SirOccam wrote...

cin_zia wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Lol guys.

"If he were a romance I could do the whole Jacob thing."

"Were" being the key word. It's an if. He ain't saying yes or no. Marketing tactic to keep us on the forum, which keeps buzz going.

Hmmmm makes sense now that you mention it.

I'm not seeing it. It looks like the exception proving the rule to me.

"If I were tall, I could do a slam dunk" -> "I am not tall"

I hope my pessimism is proven wrong.

Both explanations can make the sentence and the meaning confusing, and I'm guessing that's what he wants. If the sentence isn't clear to begin with, I'm guessing the meaning can be either or.

[Maria Caliban]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
David can create the dangerously alluring type without falling back on monster movie conventions.

I just think it's interesting that some people evidently think Fenris isn't special enough that he also needs to be a werewolf or a demigod or... something. Not that the werewolf thing wouldn't have been cool. If he were a romance I could do the whole Jacob thing.

"I can't be with you. I don't want to hurt you." *sad eyes as he turns away*

That would be fun to write, purely from a sadistic point of view. I find Twilight both fascinating and horrifying.

I think people bag on Twilight too much. It's not well-written and panders to its audience, but so does 80% of pop culture. The same year Twilight came out, we got a film where Shia LaBeouf dates Megan Fox and saves the universe with his giant robot buddies. And it was directed by Micheal Bay. It's a proudly shallow popcorn flick that guys of all ages flocked and no one seems to think this is odd.

Twilight is a story where the insert character gets hunky, broody men to fight over her and swear undying passion and love – but their very nature keeps them away! I don't think you need sophisticated characters and plot to make that appealing.

But I digress...

You have a talent for writing romances that tear the reader's/player's heart out. It would be wrong for such abilities to go to waste and I encourage whatever sadistic elements you might think of in love interests you write. Morrigan leaving no matter what the PC said or did was perfect.

Just, you know, don't write any of the F/F romances.

[SirOccam]

I want to believe. It's just the standard defensive pattern I run when I feel like bad news may be incoming. Assume the worst, then at worst you're correct, at best you're pleasantly surprised.

But really, if he's not a LI, that just leaves...Varric? Oh dear God Gaider please say Fenris is a LI.

cin_zia wrote...

Both explanations can make the sentence and the meaning confusing, and I'm guessing that's what he wants. If the sentence isn't clear to begin with, I'm guessing the meaning can be either or.

Yeah that's just it though, it seems really clear. "if...were" is a pretty standard past subjunctive construction indicating something that is not the case.

"If I were rich, I'd buy a fancy sports car." You wouldn't say that if you were rich.

Modifié par SirOccam, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:07 .

[David Gaider]

Sweet Jesus.



I intended to neither confirm, nor by a lack of confirmation confirming a lack thereof, any romance with said character either in intended or werewolf form. Looking for hidden meanings in my words is the path to madness.

[cin_zia]

David Gaider wrote...

Sweet Jesus.

.

That made me laugh out loud, I thought nothing of it until it was pointed out.

[What is this]

David Gaider wrote...

Sweet Jesus.

I intended to neither confirm, nor by a lack of confirmation confirming a lack thereof, any romance with said character either in intended or werewolf form. Looking for hidden meanings in my words is the path to madness.

Are you trying to say Fenris is thedas equavilent to jesus?

[PsychoBlonde]

SirOccam wrote...

cin_zia wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Lol guys.

"If he were a romance I could do the whole Jacob thing."

"Were" being the key word. It's an if. He ain't saying yes or no. Marketing tactic to keep us on the forum, which keeps buzz going.

Hmmmm makes sense now that you mention it.

I'm not seeing it. It looks like the exception proving the rule to me.

"If I were tall, I could do a slam dunk" -> "I am not tall"

I hope my pessimism is proven wrong.

It's called the subjunctive, and yeah, out of context that line looks like it's saying Fenris is not an LI, but he was talking about a HYPOTHETICAL WEREWOLF FENRIS that doesn't exist and thus IS NOT AN LI.

So, grammatically, it'd be more like you saying:

It'd be cool if I was a centaur.  I might be tall.  And if I were tall, I could do a slam dunk.  This doesn't necessarily mean that you're short in real life or that you can't do a slam dunk NOW, just that hypothetical centaur you might be tall and also able to do a slam dunk.

Always read the original post, not just the quote.

[David Gaider]

Maria Caliban wrote...
You have a talent for writing romances that tear the reader's/player's heart out. It would be wrong for such abilities to go to waste and I encourage whatever sadistic elements you might think of in love interests you write. Morrigan leaving no matter what the PC said or did was perfect.

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well. I find it a fascinating exercise to analyze exactly why that is (which I do for many romances... thankfully Cori is a giant romance movie buff).

Just, you know, don't write any of the F/F romances.

I think I could swing it, if I needed to. You like another chick because she's more like a man, right? She can fix your car and stuff? I get it, I get it.

[andar91]

What is this wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Sweet Jesus.

I intended to neither confirm, nor by a lack of confirmation confirming a lack thereof, any romance with said character either in intended or werewolf form. Looking for hidden meanings in my words is the path to madness.

Are you trying to say Fenris is thedas equavilent to jesus?

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[MarginalBeast]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You have a talent for writing romances that tear the reader's/player's heart out. It would be wrong for such abilities to go to waste and I encourage whatever sadistic elements you might think of in love interests you write. Morrigan leaving no matter what the PC said or did was perfect.

Depending on the choices you make in Witchhunt, it's really not that bad in retrospect.

[tmp7704]

What is this wrote...

Are you trying to say Fenris is thedas equavilent to jesus?

Hopefully not; that would somewhat diminish possibility of him being a LI.

[Atakuma]

David Gaider wrote...

I think I could swing it, if I needed to. You like another chick because she's more like a man, right? She can fix your car and stuff? I get it, I get it.

Oh my god, how did you know?

[andar91]

tmp7704 wrote...

What is this wrote...

Are you trying to say Fenris is thedas equavilent to jesus?

Hopefully not; that would somewhat diminish possibility of him being a LI.

Not necessarily.

[MarginalBeast]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well.

Really? Many people feel that the romance in Twilight is incredibly unrealistic and/or creepy and/or unhealthy, and I tend to agree with them.

[tmp7704]

andar91 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Hopefully not; that would somewhat diminish possibility of him being a LI.

Not necessarily.

Given the guy still doesn't have even one officially confirmed girlfriend...

[What is this]

andar91 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

What is this wrote...

Are you trying to say Fenris is thedas equavilent to jesus?

Hopefully not; that would somewhat diminish possibility of him being a LI.

Not necessarily.

It isn't sin if it's with an elf.

[SirOccam]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

SirOccam wrote...

cin_zia wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Lol guys.

"If he were a romance I could do the whole Jacob thing."

"Were" being the key word. It's an if. He ain't saying yes or no. Marketing tactic to keep us on the forum, which keeps buzz going.

Hmmmm makes sense now that you mention it.

I'm not seeing it. It looks like the exception proving the rule to me.

"If I were tall, I could do a slam dunk" -> "I am not tall"

I hope my pessimism is proven wrong.

It's called the subjunctive, and yeah, out of context that line looks like it's saying Fenris is not an LI, but he was talking about a HYPOTHETICAL WEREWOLF FENRIS that doesn't exist and thus IS NOT AN LI.

So, grammatically, it'd be more like you saying:

It'd be cool if I was a centaur.  I might be tall.  And if I were tall, I could do a slam dunk.  This doesn't necessarily mean that you're short in real life or that you can't do a slam dunk NOW, just that hypothetical centaur you might be tall and also able to do a slam dunk.

Always read the original post, not just the quote.

Caught me before my edit. Yes, of course I read the original.

I now see what you guys were getting at, but it has nothing to do with "were." The confusion lies in what the subject of the sentence is, not in the verb. I read it as though the subject was "Fenris" and not "this theoretical werewolf Fenris." Makes sense now.

[Bismth]

Mr gaider, so cruel, so crafty

sooo.. iiiis he an LI? yes no maybe so?

(futile but worth a try! )

Modifié par Bismth, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:13 .

[ErichHartmann]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well. I find it a fascinating exercise to analyze exactly why that is (which I do for many romances... thankfully Cori is a giant romance movie buff).

Needy girl falls in love with moody vampire. 

The end.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:13 .

[Brockololly]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

You have a talent for writing romances that tear the reader's/player's heart out. It would be wrong for such abilities to go to waste and I encourage whatever sadistic elements you might think of in love interests you write. Morrigan leaving no matter what the PC said or did was perfect.

Depending on the choices you make in Witchhunt, it's really not that bad in retrospect.

Its not that bad...yet. Gaider is simply further delaying the inevitable tears of Morrigan/Warden fans for DA3 and beyond.

[Ex-Paladin]

David Gaider wrote...

Sweet Jesus.

I intended to neither confirm, nor by a lack of confirmation confirming a lack thereof, any romance with said character either in intended or werewolf form. Looking for hidden meanings in my words is the path to madness.

Madness indeed! eheheh...ahem...*goes to corner, embarrassed*

[PsychoBlonde]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well.

Doing the romance well is not really a recommendation if you consider the nature of the romance, though.  Most romance novels do the romance well, too.  The ones that do other stuff well go in the LITERATURE section.

On the plus side, the people who read Twilight may very well graduate to more serious literature over time.  Like *shudder* Anita Blake and Anne Rice.