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[PsychoBlonde]

MarginalBeast wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well.

Really? Many people feel that the romance in Twilight is incredibly unrealistic and/or creepy and/or unhealthy, and I tend to agree with them.

That doesn't necessarily make it a badly-constructed romance, though.

[HolyJellyfish]

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
You have a talent for writing romances that tear the reader's/player's heart out. It would be wrong for such abilities to go to waste and I encourage whatever sadistic elements you might think of in love interests you write. Morrigan leaving no matter what the PC said or did was perfect.

Well, I think Twilight is far more effective with its romantic elements than most people give it credit for. Granted, it has little else going for it-- but the romance it does well. I find it a fascinating exercise to analyze exactly why that is (which I do for many romances... thankfully Cori is a giant romance movie buff).

There's a theory floating out there that it may have to do with the fact its Abstinence porn, which I'm inclined to agree with considering our current society's issues with sex.

Bite me! (Or don't)

If you like Twilight, you may not like reading the following article, but it has some interesting insight to the whole pheonomenom.

[David Gaider]

MarginalBeast wrote...
Really? Many people feel that the romance in Twilight is incredibly unrealistic and/or creepy and/or unhealthy, and I tend to agree with them.

I doubt there's a romance that's ever going to be universally appealing-- and while I don't find the romance in Twilight personally appealing it'd be silly to dismiss outright the fact that it has great appeal to some, and perhaps a little elitist to dismiss those who find it appealing as simple-minded. In the context of the books, Bella is designed as a character meant to be projected onto... but if one isn't willing/able to project themselves onto her they're never really going to get it.

The same could be said for, say, Alistair. For those who don't like him they'll never get those who do, and they can pretty easily deconstruct both his character and his romance if they want to.

Either way, I think the romance itself has some interesting elements in its construction and offers something to learn-- for those who are willing to try. And I've tried, God help me. This is what I do for you people.

Modifié par David Gaider, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:22 .

[Crimson Invictus]

David Gaider wrote...
I think I could swing it, if I needed to. You like another chick because she's more like a man, right? She can fix your car and stuff? I get it, I get it.

You should definitely write this.

Modifié par Liana Nighthawk, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:23 .

[What is this]

David Gaider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...
Really? Many people feel that the romance in Twilight is incredibly unrealistic and/or creepy and/or unhealthy, and I tend to agree with them.

I doubt there's a romance that's ever going to be universally appealing-- and while I don't find the romance in Twilight personally appealing it'd be silly to dismiss outright the fact that it has great appeal to some, and perhaps a little elitist to dismiss those who find it appealing as simple-minded. In the context of the books, Bella is designed as a character meant to be projected onto... but if one isn't willing/able to project themselves onto her they're never really going to get it.

The same could be said for, say, Alistair. For those who don't like him they'll never get those who do, and they can pretty easily deconstruct both his character and his romance if they want to.

Either way, I think the romance itself has some interesting elements in its construction and offers something to learn-- for those who are willing to try. And I've tried, God help me. This is what I do for you people.

What about the kind of romance where one person is in love but the other is not, and the one in love decides to follow the other around despite that one not being intrested?

[Atakuma]

Is Fenris going to be the brooding type?

[slimgrin]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm curious as to what the glowy dots reprsent, there's a real "tri-force" vibe about them.

Reminds me of Jack. Fenris reminds me of Jack.

[Leonia]

I might understand this conversation a lot more if I actually read Twilight.. hm..



*lurks around, trying to make sense of the comparisons*

[David Gaider]

What is this wrote...
What about the kind of romance where one person is in love but the other is not, and the one in love decides to follow the other around despite that one not being intrested?

If you're referring to Twilight, I disagree that Bella was ever "not interested". There is, in my opinion, a grand tradition of stalking in romance-- both in literature as well as in real life-- and it's an understandably fine line. From all I can tell, it's only ever an issue when it doesn't work out.

[Ziggeh]

leonia42 wrote...

I might understand this conversation a lot more if I actually read Twilight.. hm..

IT 'S NOT WORTH IT, SAVE YOURSELF!

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

slimgrin wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm curious as to what the glowy dots reprsent, there's a real "tri-force" vibe about them.

Reminds me of Jack. Fenris reminds me of Jack.

Why? They were both in terrible situations that they eventually escaped, and they both have markings on their skin, but there's more than likely to be a world of difference between the two.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[What is this]

David Gaider wrote...

What is this wrote...
What about the kind of romance where one person is in love but the other is not, and the one in love decides to follow the other around despite that one not being intrested?

If you're referring to Twilight, I disagree that Bella was ever "not interested". There is, in my opinion, a grand tradition of stalking in romance-- both in literature as well as in real life-- and it's an understandably fine line. From all I can tell, it's only ever an issue when it doesn't work out.

Never read twilight, Suprised you know it so well. Im curious to know whether your on team jacob or edward eh?

[Nyaore]

Erm... How did we go from talking about Fenris to a Twilight discussion...?

[MarginalBeast]

David Gaider wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...
Really? Many people feel that the romance in Twilight is incredibly unrealistic and/or creepy and/or unhealthy, and I tend to agree with them.

I doubt there's a romance that's ever going to be universally appealing-- and while I don't find the romance in Twilight personally appealing it'd be silly to dismiss outright the fact that it has great appeal to some, and perhaps a little elitist to dismiss those who find it appealing as simple-minded. In the context of the books, Bella is designed as a character meant to be projected onto... but if one isn't willing/able to project themselves onto her they're never really going to get it.

The same could be said for, say, Alistair. For those who don't like him they'll never get those who do, and they can pretty easily deconstruct both his character and his romance if they want to.

Either way, I think the romance itself has some interesting elements in its construction and offers something to learn-- for those who are willing to try. And I've tried, God help me. This is what I do for you people.

I see what you mean. I do agree that it's a really effective romance, at least when you consider its target demographic, and I wasn't implying that the people who appreciate it are stupid. And there are probably things that it does well. It's just that a lot of things about it squick me out, and it slightly bothers me that so many young girls view the relationships in that book as being ideal.

[What is this]

Nyaore wrote...

Erm... How did we go from talking about Fenris to a Twilight discussion...?

He looks like a vampire.

[Leonia]

What is this wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

What is this wrote...
What about the kind of romance where one person is in love but the other is not, and the one in love decides to follow the other around despite that one not being intrested?

If you're referring to Twilight, I disagree that Bella was ever "not interested". There is, in my opinion, a grand tradition of stalking in romance-- both in literature as well as in real life-- and it's an understandably fine line. From all I can tell, it's only ever an issue when it doesn't work out.

Never read twilight, Suprised you know it so well. Im curious to know whether your on team jacob or edward eh?

I always thought he was on Team Edmonton.

Heh..get it..ok I'll be going now.

[Lucy Glitter]

David Gaider wrote...

Sweet Jesus.

I intended to neither confirm, nor by a lack of confirmation confirming a lack thereof, any romance with said character either in intended or werewolf form. Looking for hidden meanings in my words is the path to madness.

You do realise we have made 80 pages squeeing/fussing over a mysterious and handsome elven lad. That the entire forum hangs upon every casual yet biting post that you make... I mean, YOU DO REALISE THIS DON'T YOU?!

*hyperventilates*





I, for one, stay optimistic

p.s I still hate Twilight. Mainly because it's given all these other shows/books more license to screw over vampire lore and make vampires some poor excuse for a supernatural being. Also, immortality is not awesome. It's supposed to suck. Fin.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:37 .

[slimgrin]

Pseudocognition wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm curious as to what the glowy dots reprsent, there's a real "tri-force" vibe about them.

Reminds me of Jack. Fenris reminds me of Jack.

Why? They were both in terrible situations that they eventually escaped, and they both have markings on their skin, but there's more than likely to be a world of difference between the two.

They were both experimented on, if I'm not mistaken. The design similarities ( geometric tattoos ) are there as well.

[What is this]

leonia42 wrote...

What is this wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

What is this wrote...
What about the kind of romance where one person is in love but the other is not, and the one in love decides to follow the other around despite that one not being intrested?

If you're referring to Twilight, I disagree that Bella was ever "not interested". There is, in my opinion, a grand tradition of stalking in romance-- both in literature as well as in real life-- and it's an understandably fine line. From all I can tell, it's only ever an issue when it doesn't work out.

Never read twilight, Suprised you know it so well. Im curious to know whether your on team jacob or edward eh?

I always thought he was on Team Edmonton.

Heh..get it..ok I'll be going now.

wait what?





...Oh it's a pun,Yea you can go

[Leonia]

slimgrin wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm curious as to what the glowy dots reprsent, there's a real "tri-force" vibe about them.

Reminds me of Jack. Fenris reminds me of Jack.

Why? They
were both in terrible situations that they eventually escaped, and they
both have markings on their skin, but there's more than likely to be a
world of difference between the two.

They were both experimented on, if I'm not mistaken. The design similarities ( geometric tattoos ) are there as well.

It could just be coincidence and the artist likes the look of three dots. *shrug*

Modifié par leonia42, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[PsychoBlonde]

Nyaore wrote...

Erm... How did we go from talking about Fenris to a Twilight discussion...?

Well, we're talking about romance in general and Twilight tends to get brought up in those circumstances because, you know, popular.

I thought Alistair was kind of shallow in the romance department, personally.  (And Zevran--and Morrigan, but for very different reasons.  Leliana was the only one I liked.)  Alistair wasn't BAD, it was just TOO AWKWARD for me.  I kept wanting to slap him and say "dude, you're in your mid-20's.  Man up already."  But I'm 30 and I just plain have no patience for that stuff any more.  I don't want to endure endless reams of Coming Of Age tales.  BRING ON THE ADULTS.

[HolyJellyfish]

Nyaore wrote...

Erm... How did we go from talking about Fenris to a Twilight discussion...?

Its more or less a question about writing romance, and how despite its flaws, Twilight is still able to carry a huge fanbase. It really is wildly successful, given its fanbase. A lot of writers, editors, and thinkers have been trying to tear it apart in order to figure out WHY that is, however.

I'm still on the camp that its abstinence porn. Especially since the countries who seem to appreciate it the most live in a paradigm of thinking that love is good but sex without love is bad, and its important not to have sex unless you are married therefore that marriage comes hand in hand with sex that isn't immoral. And Twilight hits this notion in the head over and over and over again. Abstinence.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

slimgrin wrote...

They were both experimented on, if I'm not mistaken. The design similarities ( geometric tattoos ) are there as well.

They were designed by the same person? And Fenris' model doesn't have the tattoos.
I mean, sure there are broad similarities... I'm just wondering if your post meant to convey a finger-pointing tone or a casual observation tone?

Miranda and Jacob both work for Cerberus and both wear obscenely tight outfits but they're verrrrry different...

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 décembre 2010 - 05:39 .

[tankgirly]

Not sure about you guys, but after two pages of serious discussion with Ser David...



I need to relax.