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[stephen1493]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I didn't find breaking into a woman's home and scaring her half to death very funny. Imagine you are the woman. An armed man with no local insignia or armor or uniform just broke into your home, looked at your body and smiled. What are you going to think?

/We/ know he's not in there to do anything nefarious, but he takes the opportunity to scare her half to death anyway. As far as I can tell that's him reminding himself he's a nigh all-powerful badass. "LOL she fainted. I'm awesome." Small demonstrations of badassery* are worth stopping mid chase, I guess?

*Keeping with the "180 degree situational turn" by 'badass' I mean 'something that makes him feel powerful.'

I dunno. Lulz for the audience? Gratuituous lulz for the sake of the audience without meaning something about he character are not reeeally the point of a short story...

It was quirky. We all knew that Fenris wasn't going to be the most innocent guy ever.  I'm thankfull that he was nice enough to even let her know that she was something to look at. Now this has got me going on what our DA:O characters would say.

Alistair: I would ... apologize... but words escape me.

Oghren: *stares with eyes wide opened until Tevinter soldiers run through the door*

Zevran: Holy maker. I got here just in time.

Sten: Pfft. like there's anything to cover up.<_<

You have to admit that Fenris smirking is a lot better than any of that.

Modifié par stephen1493, 22 février 2011 - 02:06 .

[Fangirl17]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I didn't find breaking into a woman's home and scaring her half to death very funny. Imagine you are the woman. An armed man with no local insignia or armor or uniform just broke into your home, looked at your body and smiled. What are you going to think?

/We/ know he's not in there to do anything nefarious, but he takes the opportunity to scare her half to death anyway. As far as I can tell that's him reminding himself he's a nigh all-powerful badass. "LOL she fainted. I'm awesome." Small demonstrations of badassery* are worth stopping mid chase, I guess?

*Keeping with the "180 degree situational turn" by 'badass' I mean 'something that makes him feel powerful.'

I dunno. Lulz for the audience? Gratuituous lulz for the sake of the audience without meaning something about he character are not reeeally the point of a short story...

Hm Im not sure what to think of that scene.I see your point but I dont know if was purposfully trying to scare her.Maybe he was like "well she's probably going to freak out no matter what I do" and found the situation a little amusing? IDK >.< I wonder what was going through his head...

[Gikia-Kimikia]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I didn't find breaking into a woman's home and scaring her half to death very funny. Imagine you are the woman. An armed man with no local insignia or armor or uniform just broke into your home, looked at your body and smiled. What are you going to think?

/We/ know he's not in there to do anything nefarious, but he takes the opportunity to scare her half to death anyway. As far as I can tell that's him reminding himself he's a nigh all-powerful badass. "LOL she fainted. I'm awesome." Small demonstrations of badassery* are worth stopping mid chase, I guess?

*Keeping with the "180 degree situational turn" by 'badass' I mean 'something that makes him feel powerful.'

... *goes back to reread the story and thinks about it*
P-Point taken, actually. From the woman's perspective, or from an objective third-person perspective, that situation wouldn't be funny at all. It'd be frightening as hell. I personally would have fainted dead away much sooner than she did, in her shoes.
I guess I only found it funny because it's from his perspective and I knew that he didn't jump through her window with ill purpose.
On another note, that part of the story also puts more weight behind the theory of Fenris' need to demonstrate power/make himself feel more powerful.
....
This is... a quite disturbing realization. I can't read the story in the same way anymore...

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

As far as I can tell the point is to feel power over others. Whether he exerts it or not, I'd guess he likes feeling scary/threatening/etc etc. And you'd have to be scary and threatening and confident, to go about your business in public despite being recognizable and hunted and too stubborn or proud to hide.

I mean, any of this would be unforgivably jerky in anyone else, but as a reaction to his history it's interesting. He can't stay that way forever either. Though I get the impression he is combative by nature. I would bet he wants revenge, and the 'rival' path is to encourage him to hide, if that's his central issue.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 22 février 2011 - 02:16 .

[Fangirl17]

I get what you guys are saying that it was really scary in that randome woman's perspective but I just dont take it so seriously.I still find that part amusing :/

[upsettingshorts]

Fangirl17 wrote...

I get what you guys are saying that it was really scary in that randome woman's perspective but I just dont take it so seriously.I still find that part amusing :/

We're supposed to take the short stories seriously.  

Chris Priestly wrote...

To help you better understand Fenris as a character, here is a short story written by the Dragon Age 2 Development team.

[stephen1493]

Pseudocognition wrote...

As far as I can tell the point is to feel power over others. Whether he exerts it or not, I'd guess he likes feeling scary/threatening/etc etc. And you'd have to be scary and threatening and confident, to go about your business in public despite being recognizable and hunted and too stubborn or proud to hide.

I mean, any of this would be unforgivably jerky in anyone else, but as a reaction to his history it's interesting. He can't stay that way forever either.

I'll disagree in the fact that while he's running for his life and adrenaline/testastorone is pumping through his body that when he randomly sees a half-naked woman while on the run... that he's a bad person for not immeaditly doing the honerable thing with covering his eyes and saying how sorry he was in an eloquent manner.

It's not an average man who could do that, and being as high up on the pedastel this thread puts him on it's going to be far too easy to be disappointed.

[upsettingshorts]

But pseudocognition isn't pointing to his "interaction" with the woman in isolation, but as part of the character presented in the story as a whole. The rest of the story doesn't really show him being an "average man" so what one would do in the situation and why really isn't important - it's what the Fenris shown in the rest of the story would do and why. Her interpretation is consistent.

[Fangirl17]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

I get what you guys are saying that it was really scary in that randome woman's perspective but I just dont take it so seriously.I still find that part amusing :/

We're supposed to take the short stories seriously.  

Chris Priestly wrote...

To help you better understand Fenris as a character, here is a short story written by the Dragon Age 2 Development team.

Er I did,that part can be taken differently. Just because some people have the opinion that Fen is one way doesnt mean that I cant interpret it a different way. I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

[upsettingshorts]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Er I did,that part can be taken differently. Just because some people have the opinion that Fen is one way doesnt mean that I cant interpret it a different way. I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

No-one is "writing Fenris off as a jerk."  The character doesn't cease to be interesting if he is Y instead of X.

[Riona45]

stephen1493 wrote...
I'll disagree in the fact that while he's running for his life and adrenaline/testastorone is pumping through his body that when he randomly sees a half-naked woman while on the run... that he's a bad person for not immeaditly doing the honerable thing with covering his eyes and saying how sorry he was in an eloquent manner.

I don't think anyone's arguing that he's a "bad person" so much as pointing out that the scenario isn't as quite as lighthearted as some people were saying it is if you step back and think about it from the perspective of the woman.

Also, there is middle ground between covering one's eyes and apologizing profusely, and taking a look and grinning.

[RosaAquafire]

I found that bit amusing, whatever. Not funny, but amusing. Of course, I like black comedy more than anything else so I might be looking at it differently from others, I don't know.

The way I personally read that section in his story was that he didn't care about her distress. She was a stranger who'd never see again, he's going to get captured and dragged off to who knows where. I get the feeling that Fenris doesn't think of people as people until he gets to know them. The fact that the woman was terrified of him and had her breasts hanging out was amusing to him in the same way it was amusing to us -- we didn't think of that woman as a woman, she's a fixture in a story. I think Fenris is the same way. Not douche-tastic like Morrigan, but he needs to know a person before they're a person to him. Got that from the way he described his pursuers and the elf in the alley, too. But notice he actually shifts gears and treats the pursuer who he'd tangled with before as a person.

That's how I took it.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

stephen1493 wrote...
I'll disagree in the fact that while he's running for his life and adrenaline/testastorone is pumping through his body that when he randomly sees a half-naked woman while on the run... that he's a bad person for not immeaditly doing the honerable thing with covering his eyes and saying how sorry he was in an eloquent manner.

It's not an average man who could do that, and being as high up on the pedastel this thread puts him on it's going to be far too easy to be disappointed.

But is he really running for his life? He knows he can kill these guys, he already has killed a few, and without much trouble. If he was really interested in avoiding a fight, overall, he'd be hiding with the Dalish or among the Kirkwall elves. And if he was really running for his life he would not stop to see who was in the kitchen and just keep running.

I dont care that he didn't cover his eyes and apologize, I don't even care that he saw boobs. The point is not that he saw boobs. It's that he stopped in the middle of a chase, and interacted with this person in such a way as to terrify her, and then stole her food, and was cornered, but doesn't seem to care that he was cornered.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 22 février 2011 - 02:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Pseudocognition wrote...

As far as I can tell the point is to feel power over others. Whether he exerts it or not, I'd guess he likes feeling scary/threatening/etc etc. And you'd have to be scary and threatening and confident, to go about your business in public despite being recognizable and hunted and too stubborn or proud to hide.

I mean, any of this would be unforgivably jerky in anyone else, but as a reaction to his history it's interesting. He can't stay that way forever either. Though I get the impression he is combative by nature. I would bet he wants revenge, and the 'rival' path is to encourage him to hide, if that's his central issue.

I agree. 

A true stoic wouldn't have felt such glee over a scared woman. Nor would he have openly reveled in it. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 02:21 .

[stephen1493]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

But pseudocognition isn't pointing to his "interaction" with the woman in isolation, but as part of the character presented in the story as a whole. The rest of the story doesn't really show him being an "average man" so what one would do in the situation and why really isn't important - it's what the Fenris shown in the rest of the story would do and why. Her interpretation is consistent.

way past my High school education to even try to answer this.

[RosaAquafire]

Man I said "person" a hell of a lot in that last post. Hopefully people know what I was trying to say.

[Riona45]

Fangirl17 wrote...
I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

No one has declared him a jerk and stated they wanted nothing to do with him.

[mellifera]

Analysis of the short story and his motivations does not equal writing him off.

Modifié par yukidama, 22 février 2011 - 02:29 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Ryzaki wrote...

A true stoic wouldn't have felt such glee over a scared woman. Nor would he have openly reveled in it. 

Indeed. Regarding Fenris I've taking 'stoic' to just mean 'past Alistair towards stoic on the sliding scale of emotional and stoic.'

[Fangirl17]

Riona45 wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...
I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

No one has declared him a jerk and stated they wanted nothing to do with him.

Sorry its just Pseudocognition seemed to be very negative towards him and there are other people outside the thread who seem to already have labled him as a douchebag :/

[stephen1493]

Pseudocognition wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...
I'll disagree in the fact that while he's running for his life and adrenaline/testastorone is pumping through his body that when he randomly sees a half-naked woman while on the run... that he's a bad person for not immeaditly doing the honerable thing with covering his eyes and saying how sorry he was in an eloquent manner.

It's not an average man who could do that, and being as high up on the pedastel this thread puts him on it's going to be far too easy to be disappointed.

But is he really running for his life? He knows he can kill these guys, he already has killed a few, and without much trouble. If he was really interested in avoiding a fight, overall, he'd be hiding with the Dalish or among the Kirkwall elves. And if he was really running for his life he would not stop to see who was in the kitchen and just keep running.

I dont care that he didn't cover his eyes and apologize, I don't even care that he saw boobs. The point is not that he saw boobs. It's that he stopped in the middle of a chase, and interacted with this person in such a way as to terrify her, and then stole her food.

Then why run in the first place if he was so confident that he could take them all? If it was me and I was so confident that I could kill whatever is to come I'd pick a home I knew I could defend easily and then await for whatever mercs The magister would send.  I suppose that in truth he was running for his Freedom. so my bad on that front.

Does it say that he did it to scare her? That could just be our interpretation of it.  As for me, I saw it as a suprise laugh/smirk for something out of the blue.  I won't deny that Fenris is prideful, the way he had contempt for everyone around him shows that easily,  but I do believe that he doesn't stop whenever he has a chance to terrify the masses.

Modifié par stephen1493, 22 février 2011 - 02:34 .

[Gikia-Kimikia]

Riona45 wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...
I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

No one has declared him a jerk and stated they wanted nothing to do with him.

Aye. If anything, these speculations have just added some truly interesting depths to the theories surrounding what Fenris' personality is really going to be like. Now I'm even more curious.

[mellifera]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...
I dont want to write off Fenris as a total jerk just yet,thats my opinion :/

No one has declared him a jerk and stated they wanted nothing to do with him.

Sorry its just Pseudocognition seemed to be very negative towards him and there are other people outside the thread who seem to already have labled him as a douchebag :/

Pseudo is expressing interest in the character. Nowhere is she saying he's a douchebag and that nobody should like him. Must a character be a perfect, chivalrous knight-in-shining-armor, free from any attributes that could be criticized in order to be liked?

[Fangirl17]

yukidama wrote...

Analysis of the short story and his character motivations does not equal writing him off.

Sorry I guess by what I mean as to "writting him off as a jerk" is going ahead and labling him as a jerk  >.<

[yoshibb]

Pseudocognition wrote...

As far as I can tell the point is to feel power over others. Whether he exerts it or not, I'd guess he likes feeling scary/threatening/etc etc. And you'd have to be scary and threatening and confident, to go about your business in public despite being recognizable and hunted and too stubborn or proud to hide.

I mean, any of this would be unforgivably jerky in anyone else, but as a reaction to his history it's interesting. He can't stay that way forever either. Though I get the impression he is combative by nature. I would bet he wants revenge, and the 'rival' path is to encourage him to hide, if that's his central issue.

So if what you're saying turns out to be true, what do you think would happen if Hawke didn't honor him with insults or complain about how full of himself he is, but instead just ignored it or didn't give him the reaction he was expecting? I mean up to this point he may be used to women fainting or men being scared of him. Maybe that's what the rivalry path is all about, Fenris doing things to try to be noticed by Hawke. It was said that the rivalry path led to the rival trying to one up and out do Hawke.