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[tankgirly]

MorningBird wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

I just checked. Nah. Must because I have standard membership, no gold or silver.
If I can't get it by this Friday I might as well wait for the real deal.

*is an xBox owner*

Well, this is what someone in the demo thread told me to do! =D

Create a new profile on your 360, and you should get a 1 month trial gold membership.  Use that membership to download the demo.

When the demo is finished downloading, sign out of your trial gold account and back into the account you normally use.

Play the demo. =)

lol, I don't know if my method was easier or harder, but I just borrowed my brother's gold account to download the demo. xD  Then I'm signing back into my silver account to play it. =)

Sign my profile up you mean? I usually use my SOH's because the last time I tried it keep rejecting mine.

It's late, I will try it tomorrow. Already moved my modem four times, don't want to run around the house now.

[MorningBird]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'm so bummed that it looks like EVERY CHARACTER is in DA2 except for Fenris (

... Fenris IS in DA2? xD  Unless you mean the demo, in which case Anders and Merrill are still missing, I'm pretty sure.

[jenaisa]

MorningBird wrote...

tankgirly wrote...

I just checked. Nah. Must because I have standard membership, no gold or silver.
If I can't get it by this Friday I might as well wait for the real deal.

*is an xBox owner*

Well, this is what someone in the demo thread told me to do! =D

Create a new profile on your 360, and you should get a 1 month trial gold membership.  Use that membership to download the demo.

When the demo is finished downloading, sign out of your trial gold account and back into the account you normally use.

Play the demo. =)

lol, I don't know if my method was easier or harder, but I just borrowed my brother's gold account to download the demo. xD  Then I'm signing back into my silver account to play it. =)

Morning all ^^

And I tried yesterday, but it doesn't works now T_T I created a new account, and i'm automatically silver, no gold trial at all ToT

[MorningBird]

jenaisa wrote...

Morning all ^^

And I tried yesterday, but it doesn't works now T_T I created a new account, and i'm automatically silver, no gold trial at all ToT

Aw darn! D:  Sorry then!  Guess I lucked out, having a brother who plays online games. xD  Because I know I wouldn't get much use out of a gold membership!

[Raven_26]

I think we all look at that short story differently, personally I don't think he is looking for a fight or waiting for them to catch up to him so he can kill them. I mean look at the begining of the short story as well.

He’d been lazy. Despite the fact that he’d known, still part of him refused to admit that it was so. He’d hoped against hope that he was wrong, that the signs were simply a fugitive’s paranoia. His stay in the last three towns had been longer and longer, his efforts to cover up his distinctive markings almost nonexistent.  He told himself that this was a challenge. Let them come. Let them try and take him back, if they dared. Deep down, however, he wondered if he hadn’t simply grown weary of the chase.

Honestly what I get from this is that he is tired of running, but what choice does he have really? It's run and fight to stay free, or let himself get cought and/or killed. (refers to the bold skript).

(sorry for jumping backwards, but the thread moves so fast lol)

Modifié par Raven_26, 22 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[jenaisa]

MorningBird wrote...

jenaisa wrote...

Morning all ^^

And I tried yesterday, but it doesn't works now T_T I created a new account, and i'm automatically silver, no gold trial at all ToT

Aw darn! D:  Sorry then!  Guess I lucked out, having a brother who plays online games. xD  Because I know I wouldn't get much use out of a gold membership!

Yeah, me too, I don't play any online game.
Well, have fun with the demo for all of us silver accounts! at least until a week 

[tankgirly]

MorningBird wrote...

jenaisa wrote...

Morning all ^^

And I tried yesterday, but it doesn't works now T_T I created a new account, and i'm automatically silver, no gold trial at all ToT

Aw darn! D:  Sorry then!  Guess I lucked out, having a brother who plays online games. xD  Because I know I wouldn't get much use out of a gold membership!

In that case I won't be bother trying xBox. (Looking at her old PC and wonder if it can put up with just a DAII demo)...

[Ms .45]

LOLZkeesaw wrote...

I'm a bit more concerned on why they decided to get naked right in the doorway.

Don't forget characters now have their own houses - they're not forced to make out in front of their whole party in a flimsy tent out in the wilderness. If LadyHawke wants to hang out naked in her own house, you'd better let her, hmm? 

Modifié par Ms .45, 22 février 2011 - 10:53 .

[tankgirly]

@Ms. 45, Try used [ img ] (insert code here) [ / img ]

[Ms .45]

tankgirly wrote...

@Ms. 45, Try used [ img ] (insert code here) [ / img ]

Thank you, but that IS what I'm doing. I looked up the BBCode tags reference and all. I don't understand why it's not working!

EDIT: Finally worked! 

Modifié par Ms .45, 22 février 2011 - 10:54 .

[tankgirly]

You repeated the code twice.

EDIT:

Congrats!

Modifié par tankgirly, 22 février 2011 - 10:54 .

[Ms .45]

tankgirly wrote...

@Ms. 45, Try used [ img ] (insert code here) [ / img ]

Now see, wasn't all that effort worth it??? 

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Depends why he did it.  And it depends on...

...wait for it...

...what definition of stoic we're operating under.

House isn't what I would consider stoic. Not by a long shot. He represses his feelings sometimes but most times he covers it with an air of jerkassery. 

He's just a jerkass. 

He's too emotional to be considered stoic. And he has far too many emotional outbursts (falsified and not so). 

Unless your definition of stoic somehow means completely ignoring the philosophy the word is based on. In which case the word itself becomes completely meaningless. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:02 .

[tankgirly]

Could he be Dr. Cal Lightman (Lie to Me) kind of stoic?



Do you consider him stoic?

[Tamyn]

@Ryzaki



I just said House as a response to people implying he scared that woman on purpose and is a jerk overall.

[Ryzaki]

tankgirly wrote...

Could he be Dr. Cal Lightman (Lie to Me) kind of stoic?

Do you consider him stoic?

I've never seen lie to me. 

Tamyn wrote...

@Ryzaki

I just said House as a response to people implying he scared that woman on purpose and is a jerk overall.

Ah. Sorry about that. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:05 .

[RosaAquafire]

MorningBird wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

I'm so bummed that it looks like EVERY CHARACTER is in DA2 except for Fenris (

... Fenris IS in DA2? xD  Unless you mean the demo, in which case Anders and Merrill are still missing, I'm pretty sure.

I'm tired

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

House isn't what I would consider stoic. Not by a long shot. He represses his feelings sometimes but most times he covers it with an air of jerkassery. 

He's just a jerkass. 

He's too emotional to be considered stoic. And he has far too many emotional outbursts (falsified and not so). 

Unless your definition of stoic somehow means completely ignoring the philosophy the word is based on. In which case the word itself becomes completely meaningless. 

Well before I answer I should point out I was never talking about Dr. House at all.  And my post was more about how every couple hundred pages or so I stop by and make a big deal out of the fact that there's two definitions of stoic - the popular one and the philosophical one - and which definition David Gaider meant when he said Fenris was "more stoic than Valen" could be an important distinction.  

As far as whether or not it is possible to combine some notion of "stoic" with overconfidence and ego-satisfying rationalization, I'd say it is.  That's why I go with my example of Howard Roark.

Finally just as an aside, I would like it if Fenris was like this because it would be interesting and entertaining given his background.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:14 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well before I answer I should point out I was never talking about Dr. House at all.  And my post was more about how every couple hundred pages or so I stop by and make a big deal out of the fact that there's two definitions of stoic - the popular one and the philosophical one - and which definition David Gaider meant when he said Fenris was "more stoic than Valen" could be an important distinction.

And what is the popular definition of stoic? From what I've seen it simply isn't showing any emotional at all not simply controlling or repressing them. 

As far as whether or not it is possible to combine some notion of "stoic" with overconfident and ego-satisfying rationalization, I'd say it is.  That's why I go with my example of Howard Roark. 

 

So I don't misinterprete which Howard Roark are you talking about? 

As for overconfidence sure you can be stoic and overconfident. I just doubt you can be stoic, cause someone to feel fear without provacation and express satisfication in that fear. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:16 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

And what is the popular definition of stoic?

Here's both:

* A person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining
* A member of the ancient philosophical school of Stoicism

Ryzaki wrote...

So I don't misinterprete which Howard Roark are you talking about?

This one.  But the Wiki article doesn't really convey the personality of the character terribly well - mostly because Ayn Rand didn't give her characters much to begin with - but I get the same vibe.  At least when I'm allowing myself to consider the common speculative themes woven in and out of this thread.  I think ultimately the comparison works best if I label it in this way:

"The Fenris thread version of Fenris is like Howard Roark, with posters' Hawkes standing in for Dominique Francon."

In that sense I'm more confident in the metaphor as it relates to how this thread tends to portray Fenris than I expect the actual character in DA2 to be like Roark. 

Ryzaki wrote...

As for overconfidence sure you can be stoic and overconfident. I just doubt you can be stoic, cause someone to feel fear without provacation and express satisfication in that fear.

I'm not so sure.  Like I said, it depends on which definition we're going with ,and if it's an entirely conscious act, and I'm really not convinced that it is. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And what is the popular definition of stoic?

Here's both:

* A person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining
* A member of the ancient philosophical school of Stoicism

Odd becuse the noun form seems to be the latter while the adjective is the former. 
And the one I've seen come up the most often is also the latter. But maybe that's a difference in exposure? 

This one.  But the Wiki article doesn't really convey the personality of the character terribly well - mostly because Ayn Rand didn't give her characters much to begin with - but I get the same vibe.  At least when I'm allowing myself to consider the common speculative themes woven in and out of this thread.  I think ultimately the comparison works best if I label it in this way:

"The Fenris thread version of Fenris is like Howard Roark, with posters' Hawkes standing in for Dominique Francon."

In that sense I'm more confident in the metaphor as it relates to how this thread tends to portray Fenris than I expect the actual character in DA2 to be like Roark.

You're righ it doesn't convey how emotional they were at all. I'd need to read the books to get a good grasp on the characters. 

But  I ask did these characters take pleasure in causing other's discomfort? 

Ryzaki wrote...

As for overconfidence sure you can be stoic and overconfident. I just doubt you can be stoic, cause someone to feel fear without provacation and express satisfication in that fear.


I'm not so sure. Like I said, it depends on which definition we're going with ,and if it's an entirely conscious act, and I'm really not convinced that it is.

Chris Priestly wrote...he first pair of open shutters he saw and Fenris dived through. He landed in a kitchen filled with the smell of baking bread, and a human woman screamed as he rolled to his feet. No doubt the sight of an elf in skintight armor, carrying a blade almost as large as himself, wasn’t a welcome sight. He got to his feet and noticed the surprisingly comely woman, dressed in a nightgown that revealed more of her cleavage than she no doubt expected, pressing against the wall.

He grinned at her, and she screamed again. So he grabbed a freshly-baked loaf off the counter and raced for the front door of the hovel. Already a soldier was climbing through the window, causing the woman to scream once more and faint dead away. The others would be coming around to the front, so he had to get out before…

...Seems pretty conscious to me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:26 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

But  I ask did these characters take pleasure in causing other's discomfort? 

Not from what I can remember, though they - mostly Roark, and in a vague sense of cathartic vicariousness Francon - took what I interpreted as a great deal of pleasure in being and feeling superior to others.  Roark accomplished this by being a really excellent and original architect.  Fenris - in this interpretation - does so by beating the crap out of people because he can. 

So it's not so much that he (or they) derive pleasure directly from the suffering of others, but from the act of being powerful or capable enough to exert their will in that way in the first place.

Ryzaki wrote...

I'd need to read the books to get a good grasp on the characters.

Rand's books were more of an entertaining way of expressing her philosophic views than they were really noteworthy for their story or characters.  Though people have been known to enjoy them simply as fiction, to me The Fountainhead came off kinda... preachy. 

Ryzaki wrote...

...Seems petty conscious to me.

The act itself is.  Does he know what he's getting out of it, in the sense of self-satisfaction?  How many of us truly understand what makes us tick on a conscious level about such things? That's the kind of point I'm trying to make but I'm way too tired to make it more eloquently than that.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Not from what I can remember, though they - mostly Roark, and in a vague sense of cathartic vicariousness Francon - took what I interpreted as a great deal of pleasure in being and feeling superior to others.  Roark accomplished this by being a really excellent and original architect.  Fenris - in this interpretation - does so by beating the crap out of people because he can. 

So it's not so much that he (or they) derive pleasure directly from the suffering of others, but from the act of being powerful or capable enough to exert their will in that way in the first place.

There's a difference between being capable of causing suffering and doing such on purpose. 

I wouldn't consider anyone who found and expressed glee in another's suffering to be stoic. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

The act itself is.  Does he know what he's getting out of it, in the sense of self-satisfaction?  How many of us truly understand what makes us tick on a conscious level about such things? That's the kind of point I'm trying to make but I'm way too tired to make it more eloquently than that.

Why grin at her then? Unless you're telling me he's foolish enough to think that would be a welcomed gesture after breaking into her home. 

Rand's books were more of an entertaining way of expressing her philosophic views than they were really noteworthy for their story or characters. Though people have been known to enjoy them simply as fiction, to me The Fountainhead came off kinda... preachy.

So that stoicness might just be bad writing? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:32 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

There's a difference between being capable of causing suffering and doing such on purpose.

Sure.  But I'm not saying he's a sadist (someone who derives pleasure from the pain of others), he's more of a narcissist.  Granted those are very strong terms, so grant me some leeway in their application.  I don't exactly have Fenris on the couch here, nor am I a psychiatrist.  This is more of an impression based on a layman's understanding of the implications of both labels.

Ryzaki wrote...

I wouldn't consider anyone who found and expressed glee in another's suffering to be stoic. 

But someone who derived satisfaction from leveraging their superiority, and did so calmly and without emotional outburst or signs of empathy?  I can see it.

Ryzaki wrote...

Why grin at her then? Unless you're telling me he's foolish enough to think that would be a welcomed gesture after breaking into her home.

Eh, it'd fit in with the narcissism angle.  He smiles because it satisfies his ego.  Again, that's just in this interpretation though.

Ryzaki wrote...
So that stoicness might just be bad writing? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

In Rand's case?  A distinct possibility.  Though Howard Roark - I believe - was supposed to come off that way.  Other people didn't really interest him because they were often in his way, or mediocre in his eyes.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:43 .