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[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Sure.  But I'm not saying he's a sadist (someone who derives pleasure from the pain of others), he's more of a narcissist.  Granted those are extremely broad terms, so grant me some leeway in their application.

Ah true. 

But someone who derived satisfaction from leveraging their superiority, and did so calmly and without outburst or signs of empathy?  I can see it.

Satisfication is still an emotion. Happiness is it not?  He didn't just have power over them, he reveled in it. 

Ego. 

Because he had power over her and could lord it. I'm still not seeing stoicism. Actually I'm seeing a petty pathetic man. ...The more I discuss this the more disgusted I get. 

And if he had such a ego why run in the first place? 

In Rand's case?  A distinct possibility.  Though Howard Roark - I believe - was supposed to come off that way.  Other people didn't really interest them because they were often in his way, or mediocre in his eyes.

Hm. It's hard to level with you when I don't know the character. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:41 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Satisfication is still an emotion. Happiness is it not?  

Stoics do not abandon emotion.  It just isn't as emphatically written on their face, conveyed in their speech, or easily revealed through their attitude. 

Ryzaki wrote...

Because he had power over her and could lord it. I'm still not seeing stoicism.

I made several edits to my previous post that might illustrate my point more clearly.

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm. It's hard to level with you when I don't know the character

Yeah I think that's a big part of why whenever I bring Roark up maybe a couple people respond, and only half have previous knowledge of the character.  Makes it difficult to debate the notion when I only kinda remember the book and the rest of the thread hasn't read it at all, heh.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:44 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...


Stoics do not abandon emotion.  It just isn't as emphatically written on their face, conveyed in their speech, or easily revealed through their attitude. 

I know they don't. It's impossible to do such. 

It's the fact that you said he felt satisifcation over such.  I took it to mean he was a smug bastard. 

I made several edits to my previous post that might illustrate my point more clearly.  

Hm...

Eh, it'd fit in with the narcissism angle. He smiles because it satisfies his ego. Again, that's just in this interpretation though.

So he's a narcissit? Urgh. That's more of a turn off than just being a douche. 

Yeah I think that's a big part of why whenever I bring Roark up maybe a couple people respond, and only half have previous knowledge of the character.  Makes it difficult to debate the notion when I only kinda remember the book and the rest of the thread hasn't read it, heh.

Yeah that is kind of iffy. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:47 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

So he's a narcissit? Urgh. That's more of a turn off than just being a douche.

But very possible given his background.  In that context narcissism is a coping mechanism. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So he's a narcissit? Urgh. That's more of a turn off than just being a douche.

But very possible given his background.  In that context narcissism is a coping mechanism.  

So he got full of himself after becoming a human weapon? 

It does explain why his nose is in the air regarding the Dalish/City Elves. 

A male Velanna.

Just great. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 11:51 .

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

So he got full of himself after becoming a human weapon?

That's likely part of it, though I was thinking of enslavement.

Here's an interesting followup link on the subject.  If this interpretation is correct I would expect Fenris to display both healthy and unhealthy character traits.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 11:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
That's likely part of it, though I was thinking of enslavement.

Here's an interesting followup link on the subject.  If this interpretation is correct I would expect Fenris to display both healthy and unhealthy character traits.

Hm...interesting. Not something I'd be interested in romantically but would be an interesting character. For those moments that I didn't want to shoot him in the face with a shotgun. 

[upsettingshorts]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hm...interesting. Not something I'd be interested in romantically but would be an interesting character. For those moments that I didn't want to shoot him in the face with a shotgun.

Ah but don't you see?  That's the beauty of the Friend/Rivalry paths.

And that's why I can paint a generally "negative" picture of the guy and still find the character interesting and look forward to seeing what he's actually like. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 22 février 2011 - 12:01 .

[philbo1965uk]

Ryzaki wrote...


I've never seen lie to me. 

But you have been subject to it......anyway..you should watch as it is very good.Tim Roth plays a very good part,great actor.

If you'd like a link to all the series on free to air  PM me.

[Ryzaki]

Upsettingshorts wrote...
Ah but don't you see?  That's the beauty of the Friend/Rivalry paths.

And that's why I can paint a generally "negative" picture of the guy and still like the character and look forward to seeing what he's actually like. 

Don't care. I don't want to even speak to someone like that. Friend or no. I dislike conflict. If he does end up like that I'll skip him. I know too many people full of themselves in person to start dealing with an animated one. 

Then again this does depend on how bad it is. If it's "Oh I'm so special." levels urgh. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 22 février 2011 - 12:10 .

[Muhu]

Please dont ever say Fenris can end up being like Velana - she was horrible , pushy and paranoid.

[LukaCrosszeria]

tankgirly wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Oh before I forget to ask again, how can you create a signature?

On your top right hand corner there is a 'forum settings', click in and follow the instruction.  :happy:

Tyoes! now to find a nice image....

[allie3000]

I've said it before but i still don't get the jerkass air other people seem to be picking up from his short story i just see someone who is bound and determined not to be taken back into slavery but who is also getting tired of living his life on the run all the time.If anything i get more of a egotistical air from varric than i do fenris but that's just my opinion and even if he does have a large ego i'm sure that would be just one part of what will apparently be an intriguing personality

[LukaCrosszeria]

allie3000 wrote...

I've said it before but i still don't get the jerkass air other people seem to be picking up from his short story i just see someone who is bound and determined not to be taken back into slavery but who is also getting tired of living his life on the run all the time.If anything i get more of a egotistical air from varric than i do fenris but that's just my opinion and even if he does have a large ego i'm sure that would be just one part of what will apparently be an intriguing personality

I don't get it either. Gambit from X-Men for example would have done exactly the same thing if he was on the run and ended up in the woman's room. But nobody calls him an arrogant jerkass just because of that, because people know what he's like. We don't know what Fenris is like yet, those two snippets of info aren't enough.

On another note, the pc demo isn't available yet... It should be on this page, right?

http://dragonage.bio....com/info/demo/

[Ramante]

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

On another note, the pc demo isn't available yet... It should be on this page, right?

http://dragonage.bio....com/info/demo/

Yes, it will appear on that page, just  a little more than 2 hours away.

So excited!!!

[Most Definitely Sane]

I have to wait until 3:30...

But I will be playing that demo until I can't stand it.

[LukaCrosszeria]

Ramante wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

On another note, the pc demo isn't available yet... It should be on this page, right?

http://dragonage.bio....com/info/demo/

Yes, it will appear on that page, just  a little more than 2 hours away.

So excited!!!

Yayzor! Me too. Those rogue knives, can't wait, mwhahaaaa 

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

I have to wait until 3:30...
But I will be playing that demo until I can't stand it.

Yeah, that 

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 22 février 2011 - 01:52 .

[yoshibb]

I'm still not sure about whether his personality is more stoic or arrogant. Right now we have evidence that points in both directions. We have the short story and a very brief dialogue that points to possibly more arrogant and we have Gaider's word that he's like Valen and not at all like Zevran that points to him being more stoic. I'd say until we get the game, there's really not point in getting invested or upset that he has one personality or the other. It's all speculation at this point. The only thing we can really say for sure is he's not going to be like Oghren, but otherwise it's all open to interpretation.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Ryzaki wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So he's a narcissit? Urgh. That's more of a turn off than just being a douche.

But very possible given his background.  In that context narcissism is a coping mechanism.  

So he got full of himself after becoming a human weapon? 

It does explain why his nose is in the air regarding the Dalish/City Elves. 

A male Velanna.

Just great. 

Seeing as he's described as a living weapon, escaped his former master and keeps killing everyone who's after him - I'd say that stepping into narcissism would not be so far off. Maybe that's why he doesn't put so much effort into keeping himself hidden anymore? In his mind he knows that he will just keep on killing them as they show up and always step away as the victor. 

[Raven_26]

If you have xbox 360 you can get it now, downloaded it 2 hours ago.

Now I just really really want the game, more then before XD

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Raven_26 wrote...

I think we all look at that short story differently, personally I don't think he is looking for a fight or waiting for them to catch up to him so he can kill them. I mean look at the begining of the short story as well.

He’d been lazy. Despite the fact that he’d known, still part of him refused to admit that it was so. He’d hoped against hope that he was wrong, that the signs were simply a fugitive’s paranoia. His stay in the last three towns had been longer and longer, his efforts to cover up his distinctive markings almost nonexistent.  He told himself that this was a challenge. Let them come. Let them try and take him back, if they dared. Deep down, however, he wondered if he hadn’t simply grown weary of the chase.

Honestly what I get from this is that he is tired of running, but what choice does he have really? It's run and fight to stay free, or let himself get cought and/or killed. (refers to the bold skript).

(sorry for jumping backwards, but the thread moves so fast lol)

I don't disagree with you, however, he's gambling with his life by procrastinating. I highly doubt he actually wants to be captured. And again, he's not taking the options he has (sucking it up and blending in). Which makes me think that paragraph is rationalization, or telling himself he's not looking for a fight, or what have you. That's what most of my interpretation hinges on really. He's being indecisive but the cost of his laziness could be his freedom, which tells me there's more to it than just being sick of running. Bolded for emphasis: He'd rather fight constantly and risk capture than hide? That's very telling. Is it any effort to put on a cloak or a long sleeved shirt? Doubtful. Sleeves and hats aplenty in Kirkwall, I'm sure. He's putting off or not doing very easy, simple things, including not looking like a peacock. To... fight indefinitely.

Replace it with any mundane task.

Fenris hates washing dishes. He avoids them and lately ants have been coming in droves to feast upon whatever is growing in his sink. He kills the ants, because it's fun to squish them or suck them up in a vacuum, but the dishes are still there. He could do the dishes, and he's sick of dealing with the ants, but he really hates doing dishes. He's above doing dishes, really.

Then again my interpretation is colored by the fact that I reeeeeally want an aggressive character. And I hate washing dishes.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 22 février 2011 - 03:17 .

[LOLZkeesaw]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Raven_26 wrote...

I think we all look at that short story differently, personally I don't think he is looking for a fight or waiting for them to catch up to him so he can kill them. I mean look at the begining of the short story as well.

He’d been lazy. Despite the fact that he’d known, still part of him refused to admit that it was so. He’d hoped against hope that he was wrong, that the signs were simply a fugitive’s paranoia. His stay in the last three towns had been longer and longer, his efforts to cover up his distinctive markings almost nonexistent.  He told himself that this was a challenge. Let them come. Let them try and take him back, if they dared. Deep down, however, he wondered if he hadn’t simply grown weary of the chase.

Honestly what I get from this is that he is tired of running, but what choice does he have really? It's run and fight to stay free, or let himself get cought and/or killed. (refers to the bold skript).

(sorry for jumping backwards, but the thread moves so fast lol)

I don't disagree with you, however, he's gambling with his life by procrastinating. I highly doubt he actually wants to be captured. And again, he's not taking the options he has (sucking it up and blending in). Which makes me think that paragraph is rationalization, or telling himself he's not looking for a fight, or what have you. That's what most of my interpretation hinges on really. He's being indecisive but the cost of his laziness could be his freedom, which tells me there's more to it than just being sick of running.

Replace it with any mundane task.

Fenris hates washing dishes. He avoids them and lately ants have been coming in droves to feast upon whatever is growing in his sink. He kills the ants, because it's fun to squish them or suck them up in a vacuum, but the dishes are still there. He could do the dishes, and he's sick of dealing with the ants, but he really hates doing dishes. He's above doing dishes, really.

Then again my interpretation is colored by the fact that I reeeeeally want an aggressive character. And I hate washing dishes.

Accursed dirty dishes.
I wish they'd wash themselves. Dx
*looks at her own sink filled with them*

[DIONAPERSSON]

Raven_26 wrote...

If you have xbox 360 you can get it now, downloaded it 2 hours ago.
Now I just really really want the game, more then before XD

I thought the xbox demo came later on xbox!!!! im downloading it right now *squee*

I LOVE YOU 

[Minxie]

Pseudocognition wrote...
He's above doing dishes, really.

I got this vibe from Fenris, too. Not the doing dishes thing, of course , but that he looks down on the idea of hiding, laying low.

[LukaCrosszeria]

OT: hmm is it half an hour till pc demo time or an hour and a half ?