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[Maria Caliban]

hangmans tree wrote...

Seriously...

I might be wrong but the is an uniform standard of beauty, right?

There's no 'might' about it. You're wrong. And stupidly so. You get ten people in a room and ask them who they think is attractive, you'll get a bunch of different answers. Then those people will argue about the subject.

The only thing that are 'uniform' for women is that people like a symmetrical face (which she has), find younger-but-past-puberty markers attractive (smooth skin, shiny hair, clear eyes), and that an hourglass figure is attractive. (the actual ratio is higher than what most who make the 'most beautiful women of...' have.)

Isabela has all the attributes that statistically shown to be attractive. Everything else is personal taste.

She looks more like a man.

Masculine features are broad shoulders, muscular development, V shaped torso, square chin, and generally angular facial features. None of which Isabela possesses.

I could give you a course in physignomy but that is not the point.

You're referring to physiognomy, the quack science where you can tell a person's personality by their facial features? The 'study' that Leonardo DiVinci called BS way back in the 16th century?

Do you think this model is attractive?

Yeah. So much for your uniform standard of beauty.

[PsychoBlonde]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

But honestly, I don't tend to find video game characters terribly attractive - more accurately I don't strongly like or dislike any aesthetically - for reasons I can't explain.   Unless they're Scarlett Lake.

I don't find anyone terribly attractive strictly based on looks.  I judge video game characters from an artistic standpoint rather than a "do I want to DO them?!" standpoint.  Thus far the models I've seen for Two have been quite a bit superior to the ones in Origins.  And I still think Harrison Ford is the sexiest man who has ever lived.

[Collider]

Isabela looks fine. Most of the romance options in general look weird in one way or another due to technological limitations anyway, IMO. Though, I'm still more interested in Aveline.

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

Modifié par Collider, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Collider wrote...

Isabela looks fine. Most of the romance options in general look weird in one way or another due to technological limitations anyway, IMO. Though, I'm still more interested in Aveline.

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

Roll my eyes and romance Isabella instead.

At least she knows to keep her former lovers in the closet.

[CrookedAsylum]

Maria Caliban wrote...

She looks more like a man.

Masculine features are broad shoulders, muscular development, V shaped torso, square chin, and generally angular facial features. None of which Isabela possesses.

I generally agree with your argument, but if you're going to say that there is no uniform of beauty, than it seems a bit hypocritical to say that there is a uniform of masculinity.

[Maria Caliban]

Collider wrote...

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

I assume that the average adult has had several lovers. I'm not sure I would 'feel' anything about it.

[hangmans tree]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Okay ladies, retract the claws. Just 'cause some guy says Isabela is ugly. Come on, seriously? ;

I've heard guys say exactly this same thing about every concievable woman.  No joke.  They make no distinction between "she doesn't appeal to me personally" and "SHE LOOKS LIKE THE NORTH END OF A SOUTH-FACING DOG", like there's ONE correct way for a woman to look.  I was sick of it fifteen years ago.  

Does it honestly not occur to people that there might be considerations in character design other than making you go OMG SO PRETTY!!!!!!!!!!1!!

WTF? I was saying its my opinion, didnt I? Besides, we are discussing animated toons not actual people.

And arent you generalising too much?

Yes, I see Isabella model as ugly. I have eyes, dont I?
And in my opinion Salma Hayek isnt that pretty.

[Wishpig]

Collider wrote...

Isabela looks fine. Most of the romance options in general look weird in one way or another due to technological limitations anyway, IMO. Though, I'm still more interested in Aveline.

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

I thought ME2's romance options looked really freaking great. DA:O's looked fine. But ME's were freaking terrible. Ashley didn't even look human.

Now with creators using the voice actors face for the ingame model, we're getting much more attractive LI's.

[Collider]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Collider wrote...

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

I assume that the average adult has had several lovers. I'm not sure I would 'feel' anything about it.

No no, not quite that. I mean one that he talks about.

[Maria Caliban]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

I generally agree with your argument, but if you're going to say that there is no uniform of beauty, than it seems a bit hypocritical to say that there is a uniform of masculinity.

Masculine features are what happens when a body has high level of testosterone. Feminine features are prominent hips, high pitched voice, rounder face, and softer appearance (higher amount of body fat).

It's not hypocritical because masculine and feminine in this context refer only to physical difference brought about by puberty. They're a collection of secondary sexual characteristics.

[PsychoBlonde]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

I don't personally find Isabella attractive. Her jaw seems too round and her lips too pinched/small, but that's about it.

I think they were just going for a bit more of a Salma Hayek look:

[snipsnip] 

but wanted to make her look tough and capable instead of just sexy.

For tough and dependable, I would've used someone like Olivia Wild or Angelina Jolie. Not for the lolsexah factor, but for their stronger facial features; Strong jaw, roman-esque nose, things like that. But I'm a Hollywood hermit, and those are the only two actresses I know of with said jawlines.

Yeah, but she's also supposed to be Riviani--I picked Salma Hayek more for the lips and the ethnicity than because she looks that much like Isabela.  And most Hollywood actresses look drawn and gaunt to me.

[CrookedAsylum]

Collider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Collider wrote...

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

I assume that the average adult has had several lovers. I'm not sure I would 'feel' anything about it.

No no, not quite that. I mean one that he talks about.

So long as he doesn't start comparing me to his dead fiance/sister.

[Ex-Paladin]

Collider wrote...

Isabela looks fine. Most of the romance options in general look weird in one way or another due to technological limitations anyway, IMO. Though, I'm still more interested in Aveline.

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

Dude, I've been around Zevran <_< don't think I would care (unless that biotch decide to try and take him I'll go psycho mage on her [Edit: arse]). And long as Fenris is LI, I'm happy

Modifié par Ex-Paladin, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[tankgirly]

We need to do a bit of update about our theory thing.

You guys will need to correct me if I got it wrong, k?

Theory, regarding Fenris/ Fenny/ Meg/ Francis/Fen, how/where he came from:

1. Werewolf Theory:

 He might be a god trapped in an elven form
 
 Mostly based on RL myology. Also a codex entry in Dragon Age regarding the Dread Wolf named Fen'Harel.

David had debuk this. Not happening.

2. Amgarrak Theory:

My old theory. That he might be the only and only Golem Trevinter magister had ever successfully managed after the Amgarrak disaster

3. Eluvian Mirror Theory:

 Another theory we hugely discussed in the old thread. That our beloved elf is from beyond the mirror, only to be trapped here by the Trevinter Magister. Base on the WH DLC.

4. Ancient Arlathan Elf Survivor
Whether or not he is related to Fen'Harel, the appeal of his memories gone missing & his physical ability to withstand lyrium injects may go hand in hand with the fact he is the Magister's best kept secret - An ancient arlathan.

Subsequently, he'd then have knowledge long since destroyed by the history books. Too bad he has amnesia.

5. A Chantry Whistleblower
He maybe carrying knowledge that could force Thedes into the brink of war, which could be related to his lyrium addled experiments or something darker. This relates to the story of Fenrir in norse mythology.

6. Lyrium Infused Experiment for Immortality
Going hand in hand with your Amgarrak theory, though in a different avenue. Tervinter is trying to break into Elven biology & secrets of ancient immortality, which may have something to do with the lyrium infused in Fenris' system

Aye?

[Maria Caliban]

Maybe he's exactly what he appears to be? An escaped slave.

[PsychoBlonde]

hangmans tree wrote...

And arent you generalising too much?

Only when I'm wrong, which I'm obviously not since you're so hastily backing away from your much stronger earlier statement.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Maybe he's exactly what he appears to be? An escaped slave.

With a memory problem.

I wonder if he remembers the experiment torture. At all. Or how much he remembers. Which reminds me, I've been meaning to look up this kind of thing...

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:27 .

[Lucy Glitter]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I've heard guys say exactly this same thing about every concievable woman.  No joke.  They make no distinction between "she doesn't appeal to me personally" and "SHE LOOKS LIKE THE NORTH END OF A SOUTH-FACING DOG", like there's ONE correct way for a woman to look.  I was sick of it fifteen years ago.  

Does it honestly not occur to people that there might be considerations in character design other than making you go OMG SO PRETTY!!!!!!!!!!1!!

Why are you getting mad at this? It's like getting mad at youtube comments.

[CrookedAsylum]

Maria Caliban wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

I generally agree with your argument, but if you're going to say that there is no uniform of beauty, than it seems a bit hypocritical to say that there is a uniform of masculinity.

Masculine features are what happens when a body has high level of testosterone. Feminine features are prominent hips, high pitched voice, rounder face, and softer appearance (higher amount of body fat).

It's not hypocritical because masculine and feminine in this context refer only to physical difference brought about by puberty. They're a collection of secondary sexual characteristics.

Oh dear. I really don't want to get into an argument about what is masculine and what is feminine. Personally, I find David Bowie from the Labyrinth far more masculine than, say, the Rock ever could be.

Masculinity, literally, is any trait that is commonly attributed to men. That can mean different things to different people, whether that be based on physical appearance or personality traits. That's why I'm saying your argument could be seen as hypocritical; there is no such thing as uniform masculinity, just as there is no such things as uniform beauty.

For example, I find women with muscle mass and stronger facial features far more attractive than people like runway models and run-of-the-mill actresses. The former is what I find beautiful, the latter is what I find unattractive. Both can be very feminine. Masculinity doesn't always have to deal with the way someone's body looks.

[PsychoBlonde]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Collider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Collider wrote...

On that note, how would you all feel if Fenris had a former lover?

I assume that the average adult has had several lovers. I'm not sure I would 'feel' anything about it.

No no, not quite that. I mean one that he talks about.

So long as he doesn't start comparing me to his dead fiance/sister.

Yeah, comparison is bad.  Talking about your old relationships is no big deal in my mind, but I like to hear people's Old Stories told in an interesting manner.

[upsettingshorts]

How else would you label male secondary sex characteristics if not as "masculine?"

[PsychoBlonde]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I've heard guys say exactly this same thing about every concievable woman.  No joke.  They make no distinction between "she doesn't appeal to me personally" and "SHE LOOKS LIKE THE NORTH END OF A SOUTH-FACING DOG", like there's ONE correct way for a woman to look.  I was sick of it fifteen years ago.  

Does it honestly not occur to people that there might be considerations in character design other than making you go OMG SO PRETTY!!!!!!!!!!1!!

Why are you getting mad at this? It's like getting mad at youtube comments.

Why are you assuming I'm mad?  I'm actually rather amused.  *Eyeroll*.  I like being Dramatic.  It doesn't mean I'm pissed off.

[CrookedAsylum]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

How else would you label male secondary sex characteristics if not as "masculine?"

I have nothing against labeling something as masculine; I do, however, develop a slight twitch at the presumption that what is and is not masculine must be the same for everyone. Normally I would say nothing, but since it was used in a argument where the entire purpose was to argue against the uniformity of beauty, I felt compelled to type.

[HolyJellyfish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Maybe he's exactly what he appears to be? An escaped slave.

Who is a unique lyrium experiment, where most humans/elves/dwarves are killed by exposure to the substance.

It is interesting to debate. My feelings on the issue won't be squashed if he is written just as an escaped slave crazy Tevinter weapon thing, but there is still the question of - what was he made to do, why, and how did he survive the experiment?

[upsettingshorts]

I'm sticking with my "he's Jason Bourne with pointy ears" prediction - though I'm more likely to take the "let's just wait and see" approach.