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[Ryzaki]

The only thing I agree on is fanfiction and comics. To me it is odd that its done before we even know the character. However the rest of that? Couldn't disagree more. Especially with the bisexual bit. You have no way of knowing he's not bi just like I have no way of knowing he is. Until the game comes out or Gaider tells us one way or another we have no way of knowning. I wish people would stop acting like they know his sexuality one way or the other.

[upsettingshorts]

@Marionettetc:
He's potentially bisexual until the game or a writer says otherwise. It's not about "turning" him gay, it's about using the possibility that he is something as inspiration for art or stories or interesting discussion. Just like every other thing about a character. Remember werewolf Fenris? Jerk Fenris? Same thing.

What's to understand? Why single out "gay" as the thing that he cannot yet be?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 février 2011 - 04:12 .

[Ceridwen]

Marionettetc wrote...
The behavior of the people in this thread confuse me. I don't *understand* where the need to turn every male character into a *gay* one comes from, when there is no actual background precedent for it. I see this in a lot of female dominated fan fiction, and in a comic strip in this very thread.

Where exactly is it even hinted towards that Fenris is a homosexual, or Bi? As far as I'm aware of, the only openly bisexual character in Dragon Age 2 to this point is Isabella (her being referred to as this game's "easy" love interest.

That is where the creepy aspect comes from. I don't care who likes pretending their characters in their video games are real and imbuing them with more depth than was initially given them (because we've all only heard Fenris speak for a few minutes in demo footage at this point).

Let me put it another way, if I had a long running necrophilia thread based on let's say... dead Morrigan, would that offend you? Or at least raise some eye-brows? Or is it just me having some good fun with the whipped cream of my life?

What is this i dont even

Well. Most of the contributions of fanart and fan fiction in this thread are based on pure speculation, using the sparse information the writers/artists here have collected on Fenris (video footage, the short story devs posted in the Romance Revealed thread, concept art, etc) to emulate what they've imagined Fenris doing in a particular situation.

Why is it creepy to speculate that Fenris is the bisexual male love interest? They're doing it over in the Anders thread. And Merrill's. People have been campaigning for the whole set of LIs to be bisexual. Maybe the Fenris thread is particularly vocal on this subject, but I don't really think it's creepy, since different people are entitled to their different tastes.

(Wow, I type slow.)

Modifié par kwintessa, 28 février 2011 - 04:15 .

[tankgirly]

Zweiburger wrote...

*quietly sneaks in*

*sets a small fanart in the corner*

[fanart]

*sneaks back out*

EDIT: *then sneaks back in and makes it a link because she didn't realize how big it was, dang*

*nano-tankgirly at the Gutter District activated*
*come steal the piccie away.*

Oh, nice!<3

[Bekkael]

Ms .45 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

I'm not describing the Bishounen like treatment you give a fictional fantasy character, but the depth to which the people in this thread (I'm assuming fan-girls) willingly escape into fantasy.

I have never understood that about the fan-fiction community, for lack of better term. What was so terrible in your lives that *this* becomes your escape?

Not all the fan fiction community is the same. Things that are pleasuable and amusing at the age of 14 just generally aren't as amusing when you're 30. 

I have a slightly different issue. I have a date this Friday. Do you play your LIs differently (or ignore them entirely) if you're seeing someone, married to someone or completely single? I'm fighting off a nagging feeling of being unfaithful to Fenris with a real human.

Yeah, I suck.

LOL, you take out all your pent up sexual frustration on your real life love. That way, they become big fans of your gaming habits.

[stephen1493]

kwintessa wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...
The behavior of the people in this thread confuse me. I don't *understand* where the need to turn every male character into a *gay* one comes from, when there is no actual background precedent for it. I see this in a lot of female dominated fan fiction, and in a comic strip in this very thread.

Where exactly is it even hinted towards that Fenris is a homosexual, or Bi? As far as I'm aware of, the only openly bisexual character in Dragon Age 2 to this point is Isabella (her being referred to as this game's "easy" love interest.

That is where the creepy aspect comes from. I don't care who likes pretending their characters in their video games are real and imbuing them with more depth than was initially given them (because we've all only heard Fenris speak for a few minutes in demo footage at this point).

Let me put it another way, if I had a long running necrophilia thread based on let's say... dead Morrigan, would that offend you? Or at least raise some eye-brows? Or is it just me having some good fun with the whipped cream of my life?

What is this i dont even

Well. Most of the contributions of fanart and fan fiction in this thread are based on pure speculation, using the sparse information the writers/artists here have collected on Fenris (video footage, the short story devs posted in the Romance Revealed thread, concept art, etc) to emulate what they've imagined Fenris doing in a particular situation.

Why is it creepy to speculate that Fenris is the bisexual male love interest? They're doing it over in the Anders thread. And Merrill's. People have been campaigning for the whole set of LIs to be bisexual. Maybe the Fenris thread is particularly vocal on this subject, but I don't really think it's creepy as different people are entitled to their different tastes.

(Wow, I type slow.)

whoseabutta WHAT NOW!?!?!

*runs off to merril thread as fast as his lil legs can carry him*

Modifié par stephen1493, 28 février 2011 - 04:17 .

[RosaAquafire]

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

[stephen1493]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

Now I'm thinking of Ron Burgundy.
Thanks for that.<_<

[Marionettetc]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Marionettetc:
He's potentially bisexual until the game or a writer says otherwise. It's not about "turning" him gay, it's about using the possibility that he is something as inspiration for art or stories or interesting discussion. Just like every other thing about a character. Remember werewolf Fenris? Jerk Fenris? Same thing.

What's to understand? Why single out "gay" as the thing that he cannot yet be?

This is a very nice response, I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

I haven't singled out gay as something he can't be, I have no problem with that possibility. What does seem strange to me is the tendency to always make the pretty boy character gay. If Fenris actually turns out to be gay, more power to him. I'll buy the computer version and mod the butterfly sword in for him.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement about possibility, I think the reasoning is a little specious though. Doesn't it make more sense to use precedents for inspiration rather than total shots in the dark? Having tattoos, being man pretty and skinny + an elf doesn't really set a precedent for gay. I think just about every Elf I've ever seen in literature/media/whatever has been skinny, man pretty. Are they all possibly gay? Or could it just be wishful thinking?

[tankgirly]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Marionettetc:
He's potentially bisexual until the game or a writer says otherwise. It's not about "turning" him gay, it's about using the possibility that he is something as inspiration for art or stories or interesting discussion. Just like every other thing about a character. Remember werewolf Fenris? Jerk Fenris? Same thing.

What's to understand? Why single out "gay" as the thing that he cannot yet be?

I agree with Upsettingshort here. Most of the work you've seen so far are inspiring work purely based on the info and possiblity extended beyond that point.

Gosh, you should visit us two month ago. Back then we only had a concept art. We didn't even have a name. The theories and imagination was even wilder then.

EDIT:

If you've played BioWare games for a while, you will notice they don't do gay characters, they do bi

Modifié par tankgirly, 28 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Marionettetc]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

[Bekkael]

stephen1493 wrote...

Ms .45 wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

I'm not describing the Bishounen like treatment you give a fictional fantasy character, but the depth to which the people in this thread (I'm assuming fan-girls) willingly escape into fantasy.

I have never understood that about the fan-fiction community, for lack of better term. What was so terrible in your lives that *this* becomes your escape?

Not all the fan fiction community is the same. Things that are pleasuable and amusing at the age of 14 just generally aren't as amusing when you're 30. 

I have a slightly different issue. I have a date this Friday. Do you play your LIs differently (or ignore them entirely) if you're seeing someone, married to someone or completely single? I'm fighting off a nagging feeling of being unfaithful to Fenris with a real human.

Yeah, I suck.

make him watch!

Speaking of feeling unfaithful, I wrote this after romancing Alistair: http://www.fanfictio...rs_Of_The_Heart   :innocent:

[stephen1493]

Marionettetc wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

@Marionettetc:
He's potentially bisexual until the game or a writer says otherwise. It's not about "turning" him gay, it's about using the possibility that he is something as inspiration for art or stories or interesting discussion. Just like every other thing about a character. Remember werewolf Fenris? Jerk Fenris? Same thing.

What's to understand? Why single out "gay" as the thing that he cannot yet be?

This is a very nice response, I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

I haven't singled out gay as something he can't be, I have no problem with that possibility. What does seem strange to me is the tendency to always make the pretty boy character gay. If Fenris actually turns out to be gay, more power to him. I'll buy the computer version and mod the butterfly sword in for him.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement about possibility, I think the reasoning is a little specious though. Doesn't it make more sense to use precedents for inspiration rather than total shots in the dark? Having tattoos, being man pretty and skinny + an elf doesn't really set a precedent for gay. I think just about every Elf I've ever seen in literature/media/whatever has been skinny, man pretty. Are they all possibly gay? Or could it just be wishful thinking?

Next time you go in a thread plz don't say that there's something wrong with all of our personal lives and maybe you'll actually have a logical discussion than a flame war.

In any case I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.

*offers hand*

[stephen1493]

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

I wouldn't call a homosexuality a fetish, just like I wouldn't call heterosexuality a fetish.

but in the end, whatever. *shrugs shoulders*

[Most Definitely Sane]

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

We've all been following this conversation and have been trying to act civilized. But I think it's very unclassy to insult people for not agreeing with you and stating their opinions, calling everyone creepy for being interested in a character, and comparing necrophilia to homosexuality.

[RosaAquafire]

Marionettetc wrote...
As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

Sorry bro, literally everything you said after that was pretty much discredited. I can't hear you over the sound of your raging homophobia.

But pro tip: if you're going to pick a game to complain about homosexuality in the fandom of, try not to pick one with ... homosexual love interests. It's a feature. Naturally people are going to speculate about which characters that feature will apply to.

Herp?

Modifié par RosaAquafire, 28 février 2011 - 04:24 .

[stephen1493]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

We've all been following this conversation and have been trying to act civilized. But I think it's very unclassy to insult people for not agreeing with you and stating their opinions, calling everyone creepy for being interested in a character, and comparing necrophilia to homosexuality.

why's everyone saying classy now.

[pallascedar]

Marionettetc wrote...

Reading comprehension would serve you well.

So now it becomes the burden of proof on myself to prove Fenris *isn't* gay? You don't understand how ridiculous that is?

My comparision was that of a niche fetish market, and rest assured - pretending fictional characters are gay is in fact a fetish. The source of my comparision has nothing to do with homosexuality, and you're just reading what you want into it in an attempt to strawman your way out of an actual explanation for your behavior.

You compared people drawing characters as gay to people drawing characters as necrophiliacs. That sounds like a nasty comparison to me. It's not a "fetish",  by the way. It's a bit of silliness really, but it's hardly a fetish. And pretending they are gay in the game is really no different than pretending they actually exist at all.

You're just kindof being mean. Stop.

[Most Definitely Sane]

@stephen
It's my favorite word...I can't not say it when someone else says it.

[Gavinthelocust]

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

[stephen1493]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

I was there when that man attained Bankai.

I may have cryed.

[tankgirly]

@Gavinthelocust, sorry, I laughed and spilled coffee.

[Marionettetc]

stephen1493 wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

I wouldn't call a homosexuality a fetish, just like I wouldn't call heterosexuality a fetish.

but in the end, whatever. *shrugs shoulders*

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

[upsettingshorts]

Marionettetc wrote...

This is a very nice response, I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

I haven't singled out gay as something he can't be, I have no problem with that possibility. What does seem strange to me is the tendency to always make the pretty boy character gay. If Fenris actually turns out to be gay, more power to him. I'll buy the computer version and mod the butterfly sword in for him.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement about possibility, I think the reasoning is a little specious though. Doesn't it make more sense to use precedents for inspiration rather than total shots in the dark? Having tattoos, being man pretty and skinny + an elf doesn't really set a precedent for gay. I think just about every Elf I've ever seen in literature/media/whatever has been skinny, man pretty. Are they all possibly gay? Or could it just be wishful thinking?

I'm not sure about tendencies or that it's limited to only elves - there's gay Anders and gay Merrill and, well, gay Isabela but that's pretty much an understood fact - heck there's even romantic Varric who isn't a LI at all.  What I do know is that gay Fenris in art varies rather a lot in terms of personality, and Aimo/Pseudo's gay Fenris wouldn't be caught dead with a cutesy effeminate butterfly sword, and is most assuredly "the man" even with studly Akiva Hawke.  I mean sure ultimately people are going to speculate most enthusiastically about things they want, either in a post, fanfic, or art - but I dunno, I'm not sure that gay Fenris is the result of anything particularly disturbing or creepy. 

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again

I might buy that if we're talking about established characters.  Fenris and all the other companions are - at this stage - mostly undefined.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 28 février 2011 - 04:30 .

[stephen1493]

Marionettetc wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

I wouldn't call a homosexuality a fetish, just like I wouldn't call heterosexuality a fetish.

but in the end, whatever. *shrugs shoulders*

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

I suppose that means we're not going to shake hands and let bygones be bygones...

ah well, have fun with the coming 3rd degree.