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[lonewolfxxx]

... Do we really need to argue with the unarguables?
Indifference is a powerful method.

[Most Definitely Sane]

Marionettetc wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Man, did someone seriously just come into the Fenris thread and equate homosexuality with necrophilia? That's classy.

As far as fetishes are concerned, yes. I did equate them.

What's really classy is your lack of capacity to follow the discussion, if you think I'm comparing a universally taboo act versus one that's a matter of preference.

I wouldn't call a homosexuality a fetish, just like I wouldn't call heterosexuality a fetish.

but in the end, whatever. *shrugs shoulders*

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Please explain how homosexuality is a fetish.
I am very confused as to when sexuality became a thing that people are turned on by instead of who they are attracted to.

[tankgirly]

@Marionettetc, FYW, we also have Fenris with Hawkette here, Tashash and Dr. Doctor's works are excellent ones, for example.

Be nice.

And again *inhaled deeply* BIOWARE DON'T DO GAY, THEY DO BI

[stephen1493]

lonewolfxxx wrote...

... Do we really need to argue with the unarguables?
Indifference is a powerful method.

*fist bump*

[RosaAquafire]

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

[tankgirly]

stephen1493 wrote...

lonewolfxxx wrote...

... Do we really need to argue with the unarguables?
Indifference is a powerful method.

*fist bump*

You know, I think I might do just that.

*return to the gutter district to examine nano-tankgirly's scavenger finds.*

[stephen1493]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

I wouldn't even say that writing homosexual fanfiction falls under the same category as necrophilia...

Modifié par stephen1493, 28 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[Ryzaki]

stephen1493 wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

I wouldn't even say that writing homosexual fanfiction falls under the same category as necrophilia...

I would however say bad fanfiction is an abomination that should never be mentioned ever. I'm looking at you "My Immortal." *shudders* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 04:33 .

[Ceridwen]

Marionettetc wrote...
I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

Ouch; I tried, too. But, alright. I'll take it in stride.

Stephen, I love how the only thing you absorbed from my post was my mentioning Merrill-thread discussions on her potential bisexuality. 

[upsettingshorts]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

I do think he's right about people misinterpreting his comments with regards to gay fanfiction.  Whether or not he's ultimately right isn't what I'd dispute, but I really do not think - with regards to that specific example - he's saying what people seem to think he is.

[pallascedar]

Marionettetc wrote...
Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish. 

Reading comprehension failure again.

No it isn't. Unless you consider all fan-fiction to be a fetish, then I'll just think your definition of fetish is odd, but won't argue with you anymore. All fan-fiction is about making a character different the writer intended them to be, not just the gay stuff.

[stephen1493]

kwintessa wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...
I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

Ouch; I tried, too. But, alright. I'll take it in stride.

Stephen, I love how the only thing you absorbed from my post was my mentioning Merrill-thread discussions on her potential bisexuality. 

the rest of it was just a blank screen.

[Most Definitely Sane]

Ryzaki wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

I wouldn't even say that writing homosexual fanfiction falls under the same category as necrophilia...

I would however say bad fanfiction is an abomination tat should never be mentioned ever. I'm looking at you "My Immortal." *shudders* 

I had blocked that out of my mind for the last month.
Thanks to you, I will be dreaming of Snape and Loopin masticating while Dumbledore has a headache.
Night.

Modifié par Most Definitely Sane, 28 février 2011 - 04:34 .

[Fangirl17]

Debates are so entertaining to read ^^

[Marionettetc]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

This is a very nice response, I appreciate you actually speaking to me instead of being insulted and trying to discredit my opinion based on hurt feelings.

I haven't singled out gay as something he can't be, I have no problem with that possibility. What does seem strange to me is the tendency to always make the pretty boy character gay. If Fenris actually turns out to be gay, more power to him. I'll buy the computer version and mod the butterfly sword in for him.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your statement about possibility, I think the reasoning is a little specious though. Doesn't it make more sense to use precedents for inspiration rather than total shots in the dark? Having tattoos, being man pretty and skinny + an elf doesn't really set a precedent for gay. I think just about every Elf I've ever seen in literature/media/whatever has been skinny, man pretty. Are they all possibly gay? Or could it just be wishful thinking?

I'm not sure about tendencies or that it's limited to only elves - there's gay Anders and gay Merrill and, well, gay Isabela but that's pretty much an understood fact - heck there's even romantic Varric who isn't a LI at all.  What I do know is that gay Fenris in art varies rather a lot in terms of personality, and Aimo/Pseudo's gay Fenris wouldn't be caught dead with a cutesy effeminate butterfly sword, and is most assuredly "the man" even with studly Akiva Hawke.  I mean sure ultimately people are going to speculate most enthusiastically about things they want, either in a post, fanfic, or art - but I dunno, I'm not sure that gay Fenris is the result of anything particularly disturbing or creepy. 

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again

I might buy that if we're talking about established characters.  Fenris and all the other companions are - at this stage - mostly undefined.

You're 100% correct. I don't have any argument against what you've posted.

Honestly though, I think the Butterfly sword is extremely masculine, but I guess that's where our opinions differ. I think it's a very dramatic weapon, and the actual butterfly effects are outshined by the radiant energy flowing out of it. In fact, when cloaked in Combat Magic with fade shroud, the colors mute and it just looks like overflowing fade energy.

But, back to your response:

You're right. It's not estabilished Fenris *isn't* gay, so I suppose it isn't wrong to speculate. I initially took offense because I was starting to feel dirty for wanting Fenris as my warrior in my party when the game launches, after seeing him *tip* now gay Hawke for having sex with him. This really isn't an issue of homosexuality or homophobia, but he's just a video game character to me and I'd honestly rather keep the game about the game, the universe, the story and character interactions and not focus on the sexual overtones available in the game.

You're also right that I've unfairly singled out Gay Fenris as the epicenter of the whole disconnect between myself and the fan-fiction stuff. I didn't take into account gay Merril, or Gay Varic or gay Anders.

[stephen1493]

Then that's that (thank the maker) back to Fenris.

[Ceridwen]

stephen1493 wrote...
the rest of it was just a blank screen.

XD

Thanks to you, I will be dreaming of Snape and Loopin masticating while Dumbledore has a headache.

I don't even want to know.
At least it wasn't Ebon Ivory Matilda-Lee-Beyonceh Shepard throwing a tantrum after every major mission and finding out that Garrus'd had a passionate, burning love for her and all her human features. *Shudders*

Yes, back to Fenris. Pleez.

Modifié par kwintessa, 28 février 2011 - 04:39 .

[Tealsie]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

Writing homosexual fan-fiction, though, is a fetish.

Reading comprehension failure again.

Writing heterosexual fanfiction, on the other hand, is completely normal. Even if you're actually a gay male. Like a good chunk of this thread.

I don't read fanfic, I don't write fanfic, but I sure don't give a **** that somebody else does.

I wouldn't even say that writing homosexual fanfiction falls under the same category as necrophilia...

I would however say bad fanfiction is an abomination tat should never be mentioned ever. I'm looking at you "My Immortal." *shudders* 

I had blocked that out of my mind for the last month.
Thanks to you, I will be dreaming of Snape and Loopin masticating while Dumbledore has a headache.
Night.

...I was going to ask just what Ryzaki was talking about, but now...
I'm thinkin'... naw.  I really don't want to know.
I had always thought "good fanfiction" = people actually trying to get the characters and everything right... so it really seems like you are reading about the characters and not a buncha OCs.
Why I stopped reading fanfiction. Ran into way too many stories chock-full of ooc-ness. Horrifying.

[tankgirly]

Appropriated image post at this moment:



by MorningBird.

[Ryzaki]

Most Definitely Sane wrote...

I had blocked that out of my mind for the last month.
Thanks to you, I will be dreaming of Snape and Loopin masticating while Dumbledore has a headache.
Night.

 I don't have to suffer alone! 

[stephen1493]

tankgirly wrote...

Appropriated image post at this moment:



by MorningBird.

Someone needs to photoshop my face on everyone but Merril. Right now.

Fenris thread be damned.

Modifié par stephen1493, 28 février 2011 - 04:41 .

[Lucy Glitter]

YOU SPIN ME RIGHT ROUND BABY RIGHT ROUND

Just to add to the complete wtfery of this thread in the past few pages :3

[tankgirly]

@Tealsie, find a few good ones and stick with them, then you will never be traumatized.

@Lucy, I have that moment every time I return to BSN, *fist bump*

Modifié par tankgirly, 28 février 2011 - 04:43 .

[lonewolfxxx]

tankgirly wrote...

Appropriated image post at this moment:



by MorningBird.

Why couldn't they all be considered pansexual? -sighs wistfully-

But bi is more than fine with me.  

[Tealsie]

@ tankgirly, If I ever work up the courage to go back on ff.net. Though, to be fair, I have read quite a bit of the work put up here, and it is rather lovely.
And now that we seem to be getting back on-topic. Sorry, Fenris. Poor boy.

Y'see? He's scoffing at this nonsense.

Modifié par Tealsie, 28 février 2011 - 04:45 .