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#24851
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Saarbear wrote...

I've totally been creepin this thread since it started hehe
I've decided to finally say something:D
What is this I hear about a photo of Merril and Fem Hawk?! :o

Check my post in this page, you've the link to the said posts.

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Oh my :o
That must mean they are all bi yes? Im hoping :wub:

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Ramante wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I hope the Merrill/Lady Hawke screenshots are real..

Me
too. But too many things match well, considering M!Hawke body is much
buildier than F!Hawke.... We are soooo close to the truth..... (and yet
so far, argh![smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])

I am 99% sure they are all bi. If even Merrill is bi... then they all are.
Not that I am saying Merrill can't be bi, but it's totally unexpected. o.o'


Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if
this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love
interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the
same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way
everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan
service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

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Basically the OP is like ankuu's post. But its the policy then to start at new thread at the 1000th page?

I wouldn't want to start a thread only for Priestley or others to shut it down ><

omg if both merrill and isabela are bi, then both anders and fenris will be too! :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

Forgive me this OT:
Zevran, omg....*SOB* What is with his eyes and his mouth?? I'm so going to need a toolset for that. ECK ACK UCK.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 01 mars 2011 - 06:23 .


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Ineffable Igor wrote...

Ramante wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I hope the Merrill/Lady Hawke screenshots are real..

Me
too. But too many things match well, considering M!Hawke body is much
buildier than F!Hawke.... We are soooo close to the truth..... (and yet
so far, argh![smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])

I am 99% sure they are all bi. If even Merrill is bi... then they all are.
Not that I am saying Merrill can't be bi, but it's totally unexpected. o.o'


Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if
this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love
interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the
same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way
everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan
service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Well, I do understand your point (without approving it), but let's remember that it's just a game. ^^ If we're getting the All-Bi, I think it's just neat. :) It may sounds "fan-service" but at least everyone will be satisfied in the romance field (well except for Varric, unfortunately. :()

Modifié par plumededragop, 01 mars 2011 - 06:22 .


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Ineffable Igor wrote...

Ramante wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I hope the Merrill/Lady Hawke screenshots are real..

Me
too. But too many things match well, considering M!Hawke body is much
buildier than F!Hawke.... We are soooo close to the truth..... (and yet
so far, argh![smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])

I am 99% sure they are all bi. If even Merrill is bi... then they all are.
Not that I am saying Merrill can't be bi, but it's totally unexpected. o.o'


Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

That was the reason why I wasn't all 'yay, they are all bi' to be honest.
I don't know, I totally agree on the fan servic-y part, but I'm happy for everyone that they will be able to romance everyone they want. Though it is kinda annoying for me, because I normally don't play male characters and Merrill would have been a good reason to play as one. I know I can still play as a maleHawke just for Merrill, but I prefer femHawke, so I see no reason to play as a male character.

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Basically the OP is like ankuu's post. But its the policy then to start at new thread at the 1000th page?

I wouldn't want to start a thread only for Priestley or others to shut it down ><

Send him a pm that you want to open a 'Fenris 2.0' thread, because the other one is too long and it is not really inviting for new members to post there or something like that. :)

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^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.

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Ramante wrote...

LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Basically the OP is like ankuu's post. But its the policy then to start at new thread at the 1000th page?

I wouldn't want to start a thread only for Priestley or others to shut it down ><

Send him a pm that you want to open a 'Fenris 2.0' thread, because the other one is too long and it is not really inviting for new members to post there or something like that. :)


I'm totally going to miss posting my page 1000 story on page 1000, then, if we're going to open a new thread then...

*Disappointed* And I'm on a short break, so what did I miss?

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plumededragop wrote...

Ineffable Igor wrote...

Ramante wrote...

plumededragop wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I hope the Merrill/Lady Hawke screenshots are real..

Me
too. But too many things match well, considering M!Hawke body is much
buildier than F!Hawke.... We are soooo close to the truth..... (and yet
so far, argh![smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie])

I am 99% sure they are all bi. If even Merrill is bi... then they all are.
Not that I am saying Merrill can't be bi, but it's totally unexpected. o.o'


Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if
this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love
interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the
same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way
everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan
service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]

Well, I do understand your point (without approving it), but let's remember that it's just a game. ^^ If we're getting the All-Bi, I think it's just neat. :) It may sounds "fan-service" but at least everyone will be satisfied in the romance field (well except for Varric, unfortunately. :()


I know that it's just a game, but that sort of thing breaks imersion for me, it cheapens the story AND the characters.  One of the best things about the fantasy genre is how it adds certain fantastic elements to real world situations and interactions, and making those interactions anything less than what I would expect from real life affects the experience of the story in a negative way for me.  I feel sort of the same about unrealistic armors, weapons, and combat although of course these things are much easier for me to overlook since they're
really just aesthetic.

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Erani wrote...

^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.

yeah, but it is kinda measuring with two standards (not sure this is the right expression).

They only put one dwarf and two elves in the party because they are a 'minority' in (that part of) the world. But they are willing to put 4 bi companions in your party? It's just weird, I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure the majority of the people on this planet (and I assume also in Thedas) are straight.

Just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with bi/gay people (would be like hating myself sort of) but I just don't understand the reasoning behind an 'all-bi' decision. :/

Modifié par Ramante, 01 mars 2011 - 06:34 .


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I've sent a PM to Chris Priestly about creating a new Fenris discussion thread, we'll see how it goes :)

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LukaCrosszeria wrote...

I've sent a PM to Chris Priestly about creating a new Fenris discussion thread, we'll see how it goes :)

Make sure you have ankuu's post from the first page under 'copy-paste', otherwise you have to find all the images again. :P
Have you added he is not allowed to close this thread before we reach page 1000? xD

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Ineffable Igor wrote...

Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if
this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love
interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the
same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way
everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan
service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]


I understand your argument, but having romances in the first place is pretty fan-servicy, no? Why is all bi more so than 2 bi 2 straight? It just means more game options, more roleplaying, more replayability, more happy. It doesn't take choice away, it adds it.

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Ramante wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.

yeah, but it is kinda measuring with two standards (not sure this is the right expression).

They only put one dwarf and two elves in the party because they are a 'minority' in (that part of) the world. But they are willing to put 4 bi companions in your party? It's just weird, I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure the majority of the people on this planet are straight.

Just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with bi/gay people (would be like hating myself sort of) but I just don't understand the reasoning behind an 'all-bi' decision. :/


It might come across as a bit weird, but I'm sure this is a practical choice, I think that is the reasoning behind it. As for the majority being straight, you may be right about that, but having only 2 people you could romance over the course of 10 years seems unrealistic. I think this was the only way to do it.

Also, Mr. Priestly swiftly shot down the new thread idea :devil:

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 Quoting Chris Priestly:
"Sorry, all discussion in one thread. Thanks."
Well that is that :lol:

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Erani wrote...

^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.


No.  I'd need a much larger sample size than 8 to buy that reasoning.  Law of large numbers and everything.  It just seems WAY too coincidental.  I'm also fairly certain that if you picked four people at random from different countries all over the world the odds of all four of them being bisexual are tiny.  I'd be a little surprised if even two of them were, to be honest.

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Ineffable Igor wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.


No.  I'd need a much larger sample size than 8 to buy that reasoning.  Law of large numbers and everything.  It just seems WAY too coincidental.  I'm also fairly certain that if you picked four people at random from different countries all over the world the odds of all four of them being bisexual are tiny.  I'd be a little surprised if even two of them were, to be honest.


Think in terms of time. 10 years, 2 romance options? That's very little room to work with, so to speak. 4 seems more reasonable.

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Ramante wrote...

Erani wrote...

^ I don't really think it's fan service...I mean you get 3 other companions who are not romanceable and presumably straight (4 if you include your sibling), so it's not unreasonable to have 4 out of 8 who are bi. Also, remember your companions come from all over the place, different countries and regions, so the four of them being bi is actually pretty likely.

yeah, but it is kinda measuring with two standards (not sure this is the right expression).

They only put one dwarf and two elves in the party because they are a 'minority' in (that part of) the world. But they are willing to put 4 bi companions in your party? It's just weird, I don't have the statistics but I'm pretty sure the majority of the people on this planet (and I assume also in Thedas) are straight.

Just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with bi/gay people (would be like hating myself sort of) but I just don't understand the reasoning behind an 'all-bi' decision. :/


I see your point but the issue with only one dwarf, Varric, I believe arises from the fact that dwarves living on the surface are a very small minority. Even if there are many surfacers, compared to how many dwarves live in Orzammar, it is a small ratio. We'd also need to see how many dwarves live in Kirkwall/surrounding areas, and how likely it would have been to have, let's say 2 or 3 dwarves in your party.

Regarding the bisexuality issue, well, nothing I've read or seen confirms that sexual orientation in the DA universe is 100% similar to real life Earth...or that it is perceived the same way. It looks as though being gay/bi is seen as a bit eccentric, but not sinful or "bad"...therefore, we really have no idea how many "people" are bi/gay in Dragon Age.
As for real life, LOL, statistics on sexual orientation are always meant to be taken with a grain of salt because surveys always depend on how candid people chose to be when answering questions about themselves. The general trend seems to be # of gay/bi people increases every decade, but again that may just reflect more people living "in the open". Image IPB (but yeah way more people identify as straight)

Modifié par Erani, 01 mars 2011 - 06:44 .


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I personally don't understand how all of them being bi could be viewed as a fanservice. I simply see it as all (or most) at least, getting the romance option they want.

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How about this they aren't all bi, but Hawke is just amazing and they just fall in love with him/her?

Think thats just a nice philosphy no?

:devil:

Hawke can turn anyone into a loverrrrrrr

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ZombieGeisha wrote...

How about this they aren't all bi, but Hawke is just amazing and they just fall in love with him/her?

Think thats just a nice philosphy no?

:devil:

Hawke can turn anyone into a loverrrrrrr


Yey! Hawke is actually a desire demon. Image IPB

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I have 2 things to say.
First... I can see this conversation getting very ugly.
...Maybe a subject change is in order?

Secondly, I'm off to work, and I'm sure I won't be around for the 1000 page celebration.
So... HAPPY EARLY 1000 PAGES EVERYONE!!!!
Haha I'll be lurking around in the new thread.

See you all then!

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[quote]Ineffable Igor wrote...

[quote]Ramante wrote...

[quote]plumededragop wrote...

Oh
jeez, don't come after me with pitchforks or anything, Bi-Fans, but if
this is true, BioWare, I am disappoint.  Making all of the love
interests the same sexual orientation is just silly.  I would feel the
same way if they were all straight or all gay.  I mean, yeah, this way
everyone can get the love interest they want, but it just seems so fan
service-y.  Which just gives me an ucky feeling.  I hate being pandered to. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]
[/quote]


I can kind of agree with this. I have nothing against being gay/bi but making all 4 bi just for the sake of it would be a bit meaningless. Hopefully if they ARE all bi it fits into the story. 

There is one thing though that makes me wonder. I checked a post with all the speculation in the M/M thread. Gaider was quoted as saying making them all bi is an option, but it's his least favorite option. It is possible that they made Isabela and Merill bi for a reason and Anders and Fenris are yet to be revealed. Though that's a long shot I suppose. 

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@Selphie, you mean like Isabela and Merill both being bi, and only Anders or Fenris is bi, so 3 bi LIs in total?

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SPOILERS BELOW: DON'T WANT?  DON'T READ!


LukaCrosszeria wrote...

Basically the OP is like ankuu's post. But its the policy then to start at new thread at the 1000th page?

I wouldn't want to start a thread only for Priestley or others to shut it down ><

omg if both merrill and isabela are bi, then both anders and fenris will be too! :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

Forgive me this OT:
Zevran, omg....*SOB* What is with his eyes and his mouth?? I'm so going to need a toolset for that. ECK ACK UCK.


WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. WHUT.  Back the **** up.  LINK PLEASE??

Edit: Hello again my lovlies, I am back to gutter the place up but THIS is what I get for going to class! 

Modifié par WMRina, 01 mars 2011 - 06:52 .